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2013-06-30 10:04:39 PM
The women's restroom at a college football game?
 
2013-06-30 10:35:20 PM
The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway.

The Wayne LaPierre pimp slap was an unexpected bonus.
 
2013-06-30 11:38:45 PM
His mom?
 
2013-07-01 12:00:52 AM
More interesting is the part about "Rage," a story about a kid who goes postal at school, that was found among the items of a real school shooter, and that King has now pulled from publication.

Also cool that he's making a sequel to The Shining.
 
2013-07-01 12:58:20 AM

quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway


This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?
 
2013-07-01 01:29:17 AM
I couldn't figure out what was going on in there

Spoken like a true man.
 
2013-07-01 01:35:40 AM

Peki: /come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


That the woman are all sharing stories of our inadequate love making, sexual stamina and size before indulging in an epic pillow fight in which boobies pop out left and right and no male eyes get to enjoy?

Admittedly, that might be just me there.

*awkward silence*

Yeah, prolly just me.
 
2013-07-01 01:38:04 AM
I liked this bit, from the last page, where he's talking about the process of writing: A lot of times when I'm in that room when I'm composing, I'm not in that room. I'm not there. I disappear completely.

Funny, because that's exactly how I feel when I'm reading a good book (and his books do it to me more than most). I imagine that if someone walked into a room where I'm reading, they wouldn't see me because I've disappeared into the book. :)
 
2013-07-01 01:40:03 AM

quatchi: Peki: /come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

That the woman are all sharing stories of our inadequate love making, sexual stamina and size before indulging in an epic pillow fight in which boobies pop out left and right and no male eyes get to enjoy?

Admittedly, that might be just me there.

*awkward silence*

Yeah, prolly just me.


Thank you.

/off to write my version of the book. Will mail it to King, since it's his idea.
 
2013-07-01 02:01:30 AM

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


I really want to know.

Then we can do it, because frankly, nothing much goes on in there besides repairing makeup and fluffing hair. I wanna start having some FUN.
 
2013-07-01 02:01:53 AM
I wish he wouldn't spread that BS about the Dark Knight shooter dressed as the Joker.  He wasn't.  At all.
 
2013-07-01 02:04:11 AM

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.
 
2013-07-01 02:14:31 AM

Gyrfalcon: nothing much goes on in there besides repairing makeup and fluffing hair.


*sticks fingers in ears*

LALALALALALALA!!

/Sexy pillow fight with girls in their naughtiest underwear is still real to me, dammit!
 
2013-07-01 02:17:23 AM

ongbok: pinching off a huge stinking terd.


*sticks fingers in ears again*

LALALALALAL!

/Denial, more than just a coping mechanism, it's a way of life!
 
2013-07-01 02:19:51 AM
Based on the title, I'm worried this story will involve the shiatweasels from Dreamcatcher.
/love King, farking hated Dreamcatcher.
 
2013-07-01 02:20:40 AM

ongbok: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.



The best part is it was terrible diarrhea, and she splattered it all over the toilet, and she didn't even flush.
 
2013-07-01 02:25:47 AM
This guy is one of the best writers of our time, I don't care what anyone thinks. Love all his work, even the dogs...

/I'm looking at you Cell.
 
2013-07-01 02:33:40 AM
The first page of a linked article?


/or was subby not aiming for 'meta'?
 
2013-07-01 02:37:01 AM
 
2013-07-01 02:50:48 AM
Anybody watch "Under the Dome" last week? Thoughts?
 
2013-07-01 03:13:42 AM

Podmore: Also cool that he's making a sequel to The Shining.


He's been talking about writing one for twenty years, at least.  It's apparently finally happened, due out this fall, I believe.
 
2013-07-01 03:37:05 AM
That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.
 
2013-07-01 03:37:06 AM

ongbok: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.


If she didn't wipe then she wouldn't need to wash her hands.
 
2013-07-01 03:56:10 AM

Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


It'd be like From a Buick 8 .. but.. kind of the opposite.
 
2013-07-01 04:13:26 AM

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?



Period sprunts.
 
2013-07-01 04:16:36 AM

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


ask any person who has been an officer cleaner or a janitor and they'll answer "I don't know why they call it the Ladies room". that's the truth.
 
2013-07-01 04:18:10 AM
The bathroom at the 7-Eleven?
 
2013-07-01 04:59:36 AM
The only thing that terrifies King these days is the prospect of sitting down in front of his computer and writing a satisfying conclusion to one of his novels that doesn't leave the reader feeling they've wasted their time.
 
2013-07-01 05:09:11 AM

BadReligion: ongbok: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.


The best part is it was terrible diarrhea, and she splattered it all over the toilet, and she didn't even flush.


No wait, I can do one better. She pulls a bloody tampon out, throws it on the floor, farts, wipes the blood off her hands with toilet paper,THEN lets loose with the poop.

And doesn't wash her hands on the way out.
 
2013-07-01 05:09:33 AM

Wolf892: The only thing that terrifies King these days is the prospect of sitting down in front of his computer and writing a satisfying conclusion to one of his novels that doesn't leave the reader feeling they've wasted their time.


And I'm sure he soothes that fear with his giant piles of money and the knowledge that even the fans that biatch about his work the most will still buy the latest installment no matter what.

I haven't liked a lot of the endings of his books, but I'm aware that he doesn't give a shiat.

Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars.
 
2013-07-01 05:13:08 AM

stoli n coke: Wolf892: The only thing that terrifies King these days is the prospect of sitting down in front of his computer and writing a satisfying conclusion to one of his novels that doesn't leave the reader feeling they've wasted their time.

And I'm sure he soothes that fear with his giant piles of money and the knowledge that even the fans that biatch about his work the most will still buy the latest installment no matter what.

I haven't liked a lot of the endings of his books, but I'm aware that he doesn't give a shiat.

Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars.


I was a fan, then I hit adulthood and wanted something more from my stories...a decent beginning, middle and end. Not books that throw your fandom and devotion back in your face with a sneer that says "It was a giant space spider all along, biatches! What do you think of them apples!"
He's great at creating characters, he's great at telling a story, he just really sucks at ending that story in a way that feels true to the world he's created and leaves us the readers content.
 
2013-07-01 05:19:39 AM

Wolf892: stoli n coke: Wolf892: The only thing that terrifies King these days is the prospect of sitting down in front of his computer and writing a satisfying conclusion to one of his novels that doesn't leave the reader feeling they've wasted their time.

And I'm sure he soothes that fear with his giant piles of money and the knowledge that even the fans that biatch about his work the most will still buy the latest installment no matter what.

I haven't liked a lot of the endings of his books, but I'm aware that he doesn't give a shiat.

Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars.

I was a fan, then I hit adulthood and wanted something more from my stories...a decent beginning, middle and end. Not books that throw your fandom and devotion back in your face with a sneer that says "It was a giant space spider all along, biatches! What do you think of them apples!"
He's great at creating characters, he's great at telling a story, he just really sucks at ending that story in a way that feels true to the world he's created and leaves us the readers content.



No argument there, but we have to remember, he's a pulp writer. A very good pulp writer, but a pulp writer nonetheless. He just happened to get in the game at the right time and secure himself a massive distribution deal, so he sells more than the other writers on his caliber.

Since adulthood, I've found it's just easier to wait for the eventual movie, since nearly everything he writes gets a movie deal anyway. The writers and directors involved in those tended to find and fix a lot of the storytelling flaws. Usually, the less control King has on the film, the better film it will be.

Although I will give him credit for Maximum Overdrive. That flick was just delightful trash.
 
2013-07-01 05:36:26 AM
Someday I need to go back and re-read the Stand.  It's probably been 15 years since the last time I read it.

Fun fact: when Stephen King started writing Pet Semetary he set out with the goal of creating a story so scary that people wouldn't be able to finish it.  When he was done writing it he held on to the manuscript for an entire year before submitting it to his publisher because he was so disturbed by what he'd written.

That's right; Stephen King managed to scare  himself shiatless.

/loved Stephen King's cameo in Sons of Anarchy.
//"What body?"
 
2013-07-01 05:41:49 AM

darkjezter: Someday I need to go back and re-read the Stand.  It's probably been 15 years since the last time I read it.

Fun fact: when Stephen King started writing Pet Semetary he set out with the goal of creating a story so scary that people wouldn't be able to finish it.  When he was done writing it he held on to the manuscript for an entire year before submitting it to his publisher because he was so disturbed by what he'd written.

That's right; Stephen King managed to scare  himself shiatless.

/loved Stephen King's cameo in Sons of Anarchy.
//"What body?"


I loved, loved, loved The Stand, right up to the final chapter/conclusion. I was so pissed off...
 
2013-07-01 06:05:24 AM
The Politics tab?
 
2013-07-01 06:34:25 AM

fusillade762: Meh. I think Damon Knight kinda covered this already (though from a reverse angle).

Not with a Bang (short story)

The story is an ironic, Adam-and-Eve tale. Humanity has been wiped out by a nuclear war, except for one man and woman, who meet in a restaurant in Salt Lake City. The man suffers from a disease that causes recurrent episodes of total paralysis. While in the bathroom, he has an attack, and dies with the realization that the woman is too prudish to enter and save him.


downwithfilm.com
 
2013-07-01 06:46:28 AM

Peki: /come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


My years working in the nightclubs of NYC tell me it's "clogging the toilets with tampons and shiatting in the garbage cans".
 
2013-07-01 07:22:58 AM

Thunderboy: Peki: /come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My years working in the nightclubs of NYC tell me it's "clogging the toilets with tampons and shiatting in the garbage cans".


I believe it.  I once had a summer job working as a janitor at a school.  Men's restrooms get dirty, but what women do to their restrooms is downright criminal.
 
2013-07-01 07:53:11 AM

darkjezter: Thunderboy: Peki: /come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My years working in the nightclubs of NYC tell me it's "clogging the toilets with tampons and shiatting in the garbage cans".

I believe it.  I once had a summer job working as a janitor at a school.  Men's restrooms get dirty, but what women do to their restrooms is downright criminal.


It's because they don't sit, they hover. With terrible aim.
 
2013-07-01 08:09:04 AM

Critch: I wish he wouldn't spread that BS about the Dark Knight shooter dressed as the Joker.  He wasn't.  At all.


That was where I quit reading the article, it's scare mongering bullshiat like that, that gets the sheep all riled up over nothing.
 
2013-07-01 08:10:45 AM
I was trying to find a screencap from that Farscape episode, but GIS has failed me...
 
2013-07-01 08:12:01 AM

stoli n coke: Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars


I am pretty sure my parents have a copy...
 
2013-07-01 08:19:41 AM

Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


Uh, you've never read any of his short stories, have you.
 
2013-07-01 08:22:10 AM

Wolf892: stoli n coke: Wolf892: The only thing that terrifies King these days is the prospect of sitting down in front of his computer and writing a satisfying conclusion to one of his novels that doesn't leave the reader feeling they've wasted their time.

And I'm sure he soothes that fear with his giant piles of money and the knowledge that even the fans that biatch about his work the most will still buy the latest installment no matter what.

I haven't liked a lot of the endings of his books, but I'm aware that he doesn't give a shiat.

Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars.

I was a fan, then I hit adulthood and wanted something more from my stories...a decent beginning, middle and end. Not books that throw your fandom and devotion back in your face with a sneer that says "It was a giant space spider all along, biatches! What do you think of them apples!"
He's great at creating characters, he's great at telling a story, he just really sucks at ending that story in a way that feels true to the world he's created and leaves us the readers content.


Translation: I never enjoyed a Stephen King book as much as when I was twelve. Christ, does anybody?
 
2013-07-01 08:22:20 AM

stoli n coke: Although I will give him credit for Maximum Overdrive. That flick was just delightful trash.


Fun Fact - King actually feels that was right next to The Shining in far as interpretation to film for any of his books and the best part is he was the director on that one. He only directorial effort and he felt so bad afterward that he swore off doing it again. He also in an interview admitted that he was pretty much coked out of his mind during the entire filming.

Ohh and the director of photography lost an eye during filming when a remote controlled lawn mower ran over a wooden block and shot splinters everywhere.
 
2013-07-01 08:23:30 AM

ekdikeo4: Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.

It'd be like From a Buick 8 .. but.. kind of the opposite.


From a Buick 8 was the shaggiest shaggy dog story ever committed to paper.
 
2013-07-01 08:43:43 AM
If done right, I would enjoy an "eye of the dragon" film. /1408 was a nice scary little story
 
2013-07-01 08:45:55 AM

Podmore: Also cool that he's making a sequel to The Shining.


Awesome! I loved that movie.

Gordon Bennett: If she didn't wipe then she wouldn't need to wash her hands.


4.bp.blogspot.com

If you touch anything in a public bathroom, you need to wash your hands.
 
2013-07-01 09:04:43 AM

liam76: stoli n coke: Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars

I am pretty sure my parents have a copy...


I have a collection of the four Bachman books that used to be sold at Border's something like fifteen, twenty years ago.  Running Man, The Long Walk, Roadwork, and Rage.  Won't ever get rid of it.  I understand him wanting Rage out of print, but it's a pretty good, pretty upsetting yarn. It's like if you smashed Lord of the Flies into one schoolroom.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:48 AM
I thought rage would have been a great movie. An antidote for all those John Hughes teen movies.


Who would you cast as Charlie?
I call dibs on a young Judd Nelson.
 
2013-07-01 09:13:35 AM

KhamanV: liam76: stoli n coke: Oh, and not very good reporting in TFA. He publicly announced he was pulling Rage from the shelves 13 years ago. That's why an original paperback can sell for hundreds of dollars

I am pretty sure my parents have a copy...

I have a collection of the four Bachman books that used to be sold at Border's something like fifteen, twenty years ago.  Running Man, The Long Walk, Roadwork, and Rage.  Won't ever get rid of it.  I understand him wanting Rage out of print, but it's a pretty good, pretty upsetting yarn. It's like if you smashed Lord of the Flies into one schoolroom.


I wish I could find a version of Rage.  I remember enjoying it as a kid.... I just wonder how well it holds up 20 years later.
 
2013-07-01 09:21:35 AM
I do think he's overly harsh on Rose Madder, a novel I like quite a bit (certainly more than Desperation and The Regulators from the next year).

Also, looks like my library system has a few copies of the omnibus that has Rage.  I'll have to give that a read.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:49 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: This guy is one of the best writers of our time, I don't care what anyone thinks. Love all his work, even the dogs...

/I'm looking at you Cell.


Oh god, really? Did you eat paint chips, or is it the constant huffing?

I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.
 
2013-07-01 09:24:34 AM
Just started book two in The Dark Tower.  Interesting change of pace.
 
2013-07-01 09:26:02 AM

kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.


No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die
 
2013-07-01 09:36:29 AM

Saiga410: I wish I could find a version of Rage.


You can.  Just Google "Stephen King Rage ebook".

/still have my print copy, so I don't have the need
 
2013-07-01 09:37:30 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.

No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die


I never enjoyed Dean Koontz, but love nearly all of King's and Peter Straub's also. Ghost Story is still the scariest book I've ever read.
 
2013-07-01 10:11:55 AM

Gunny Highway: Just started book two in The Dark Tower.  Interesting change of pace.


You will love it so much.... Until....
 
2013-07-01 10:27:21 AM

Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


You've obviously never had to clean one...
 
2013-07-01 10:52:39 AM
Where does this, "Stephen King can't write good endings," meme originate? I've read several of his works and didn't think they ended all that bad. Is this problem just with certain works?
 
2013-07-01 11:05:37 AM

stoli n coke: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?


Period sprunts.


Sprunt - wasn't that what George Carlin wanted to call his brand of feminine deodorant spray?
 
2013-07-01 11:31:02 AM

verbaltoxin: Where does this, "Stephen King can't write good endings," meme originate? I've read several of his works and didn't think they ended all that bad. Is this problem just with certain works?


It's not all his work. It's the ones that start so promising. The previously mentioned space spider in "It," the hand of god in "The Stand," the source of the dome in "Under the Dome..."

When you commit to read a thousand page book, you put some level of faith in the author to make the ultimate destination worthwhile. When King stumbles, it can be downright infuriating. But it must be said that most of the time the journey itself is pretty fun

/Joyland was enjoyable, and had an appropriately bittersweet ending
 
2013-07-01 11:44:26 AM

Jim_Callahan: Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life. That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


You'd be a shiatty writer.
 
2013-07-01 11:50:13 AM

stoli n coke: No argument there, but we have to remember, he's a pulp writer. A very good pulp writer, but a pulp writer nonetheless. He just happened to get in the game at the right time and secure himself a massive distribution deal, so he sells more than the other writers on his caliber.


King is one of the best writers who ever lived. He doesn't sell millions of books because he has a good distribution deal, dude. He is massively under-rated, usually by lit snobs who couldn't write their way out of trash cans.

Having said that, the motherfarker don't know how to write an ending, for sure. When I read his stuff, it reminds me of a high school creative writing assignment, almost. It starts out very detailed and absorbing. He's obviously spent a lot of time on the set up, but by the end, its like he's rushing to get it done so he can turn it in on time, and it shows.
 
2013-07-01 12:08:56 PM

Madbassist1: stoli n coke: No argument there, but we have to remember, he's a pulp writer. A very good pulp writer, but a pulp writer nonetheless. He just happened to get in the game at the right time and secure himself a massive distribution deal, so he sells more than the other writers on his caliber.

King is one of the best writers who ever lived. He doesn't sell millions of books because he has a good distribution deal, dude. He is massively under-rated, usually by lit snobs who couldn't write their way out of trash cans.

Having said that, the motherfarker don't know how to write an ending, for sure. When I read his stuff, it reminds me of a high school creative writing assignment, almost. It starts out very detailed and absorbing. He's obviously spent a lot of time on the set up, but by the end, its like he's rushing to get it done so he can turn it in on time, and it shows.


King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.
 
2013-07-01 12:19:49 PM

verbaltoxin: King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.


Which is why very often the ending requires the instant interaction of some extraordinary force to essentially shoe horn the book into finality.

Now having that said, I'll still read the shiat because when it comes to characters and moments he can create them. It's kind of like having to get a smack on the hand with a ruler after you eat cake.....but the cake is so god damn tasty.
 
2013-07-01 12:22:33 PM

Gyrfalcon: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

I really want to know.

Then we can do it, because frankly, nothing much goes on in there besides repairing makeup and fluffing hair. I wanna start having some FUN.


I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-07-01 12:25:06 PM
Popular artists are bad.
 
2013-07-01 12:35:01 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: verbaltoxin: King often admits that he starts with characters and a premise, and doesn't plan out where it's going to go afterwards.

Which is why very often the ending requires the instant interaction of some extraordinary force to essentially shoe horn the book into finality.

Now having that said, I'll still read the shiat because when it comes to characters and moments he can create them. It's kind of like having to get a smack on the hand with a ruler after you eat cake.....but the cake is so god damn tasty.


What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.
 
2013-07-01 01:05:11 PM

ambercat: BadReligion: ongbok: Peki: quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway

This.

Also, I know how to finish the book: You tell the truth.

/come on guys. What are your worst fears about what goes on in The Ladies' Room?

My worst fear would be walking into the ladies room and walking in on the woman who has been the object of all of my sexual fantasies loudly grunting as she is pinching off a huge stinking terd. And the worst part of it is after she finishes taking a crap she walks out without wiping or washing her hands.


The best part is it was terrible diarrhea, and she splattered it all over the toilet, and she didn't even flush.

No wait, I can do one better. She pulls a bloody tampon out, throws it on the floor, farts, wipes the blood off her hands with toilet paper,THEN lets loose with the poop.

And doesn't wash her hands on the way out.


Much better.
 
2013-07-01 01:06:14 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: kroonermanblack: I'll admit I read trash fiction, but king is just bad. I could give him a pass if he didn't 'end' every novel with the same bullshiat cliffhanger style.

No worse than Dean Koontz, his shiat is so predictable I've been able to predict down to the page number when characters die


The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

/the other books in that series are hit-or-miss though
 
2013-07-01 01:20:31 PM
The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.
 
2013-07-01 01:53:33 PM

barefoot princess: Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy? I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry. But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


One of his few shining gems, but then a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then

verbaltoxin: What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.


mindblown.gif

I hadn't thought of looking at it like that
 
2013-07-01 02:09:42 PM

barefoot princess: The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


I love his conspiracy angles, but he's pretty hokey. I just finished "Moonlight Mind" I think, which is his take on a gothic novel. Not bad, but predictable. His best stuff is likely Sole Survivor, Servants of Twilight, or Dragon Tears.
 
2013-07-01 02:14:24 PM
I was familiar with that idea of the bathroom from King to the extent, i had thought i had actually read it 20 years ago..... I must've only read another interview in which he talked about it....

Bachman books is great. i have paperback and hardback, containing all 4 of the original stories...   Roadwork, which previously was my least favorite as a teenager, really affected me differently as an adult.  I liked it a lot.
 
2013-07-01 03:00:19 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: barefoot princess: Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy? I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry. But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.

One of his few shining gems, but then a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then

verbaltoxin: What's funny is many other genre writers have this exact, same problem. Unlike King, they turned their endless stories into series, and get their fans to come back again and again for conclusion-less, character-filled chronicles.

/King eventually realized the brilliance in this, and started the Dark Tower series.

mindblown.gif

I hadn't thought of looking at it like that


Yep. I am an aspiring writer myself. I correspond with other writers, and the two rules of thumb if you want to make any dough as a writer are to start a series, and make it a YA (young adult) one.

So Amazon is flooded with terrible, self-published YA series starring the most specialest girl in the world and her angel/vampire/werewolf boyfriend.
 
2013-07-01 03:32:05 PM

verbaltoxin: So Amazon is flooded with terrible, self-published YA series starring the most specialest girl in the world and her angel/vampire/werewolf boyfriend.


If there is one thing we do well as humans, it's find an ok idea and turn it into a shiatty one
 
2013-07-01 03:33:16 PM

barefoot princess: The My Little Pony Killer:  The only good thing to come from Dean Koontz was Odd Thomas, and I've read quite a bit of Dean Koontz in my day.

Have you read Dean Koontz' Frankenstein trilogy?  I usually feel about Koontz the way most of you do about King - love his books about 2/3 thru, then realize how he's going to end it & get angry.  But the Frankenstein trilogy was great all the way thru.


I read the first one. It's decent, but he also had a co-author for those ones.
 
2013-07-01 04:21:56 PM

Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.


He usually saves that stuff for the short stories. I didn't really think about it until I read your post, but it's probably why a lot of people like the short stories better than the novels.
 
2013-07-01 05:02:45 PM

sorebones: Jim_Callahan: That was always King's problem, he's way too... optimistic for a horror writer.  There has to be an actual answer to the mystery, or a solution to the problem, which is why most of his "horror" stories end up just being adventure stories with a little bit of darkness to them.

Ending the story with someone going in to check and then not coming out with no explanation, or scream, or anything, would be about a billion times scarier than anything King has written in his life.  That'd be some actual Noir stuff.

He usually saves that stuff for the short stories. I didn't really think about it until I read your post, but it's probably why a lot of people like the short stories better than the novels.


Except it wouldn't work in this particular situation. Given as described, you've still got a bunch of characters who just witnessed this event, in the middle of what we can assume is a busy airport. Any reader would demand what happened next. You can get away with that if it's a cabin in the woods but you can't abandon your cast right when things get interesting.
 
2013-07-01 09:22:25 PM

quatchi: The "Ladies Room" novella concept was sorta interesting but I found King's reasoning for keeping "Rage" out of print the real takeaway.

The Wayne LaPierre pimp slap was an unexpected bonus.


He thinks book control is a good idea.
 
2013-07-01 10:07:46 PM
Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."
 
2013-07-01 10:14:32 PM

HemlockStones: Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."


Hey if I wrote a book I'd feel terrible about it showing up like that too. I think King's reasoning was personal and appropriate. He just didn't want his stuff being a part of it.
 
2013-07-02 12:15:15 AM

HemlockStones: Is self-censorship as bad as censorship?  King claims "Rage" was read or at least owned by kids planning on shooting up their school.  Cat's out of the bag - why does pulling the book change anything?  Does he think kids were watching the 10 O'Clock news, heard about Columbine and they're thinking "That doesn't really affect me.  But that 20 year old novel Steven King wrote under a pseudonym..."


If an author wants to remove his work from publication, that's his right.  In this case, it probably helps King sleep at night.  Authors usually usually pull crappy first books (ask Neal Stephenson why The Big U was out of publication for years), and there may have been some of that in this case, as King says he wrote it when he was in high school and finished it in college.

And by driving the price up for any copy, it becomes extremely unlikely that it will stay out of the hands of teens, who don't have that sort of money to spend on a paperback.
 
2013-07-02 07:35:09 AM
German author Walter Moers already answered all there is to know about what happens in the ladies room
NSFW! German!
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Full story: http://www.markusdan.com/blog/geheimer-insiderbricht-was-frauen-auf-d e n-damentoiletten-wirklich-tun/
 
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