lack of warmth: the places really doing good work shouldn't be taxed so they can't help those in need./obvious, I know
LiberalEastCoastElitist: HeadLever: LiberalEastCoastElitist: How is paying rent on a building which is occupied 9:00am - 1:00pm Sunday and 5:00pm to 8:00pm Wednesday charity? How is paying a sky wizard priest to present a single hour of instruction per week 50k per year charity?So that is what you think that is the extent of churches do? Is this what the athiest really belive?Actually, I was brought up in a Christian fundamentalist house. Six siblings all together. Home schooled. I know that's all they do. Thanks for playing.
buzzcut73: phillydrifter: Even charities have operating costs.I don't think anybody disputes that. However, when operating costs, marketing and 'awareness' campaigns (which is just marketing under a different cost code) take up 70% of the budget, there is a problem.
Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Most charities are just another form of business, not actual "charity'. Collect money, provide jobs, pay big salaries to 'Executives'. Make people feel good as you scam them out of their money.
HeadLever: JesusJuice: I don't believe it's impossible to tax religious institutions while retaining a secular government.That is correct. However, if you do tax religious institutions and these contributions, you need to know that much of this giving will decrease.The tax codes in this regard is nothing but a social engineering via the wallet.
JesusJuice: I don't see how less giving to churches is a bad thing.
HeadLever: JesusJuice: I don't see how less giving to churches is a bad thing.So you don't see any issues when they give less to a church that provides the following:Sandwiches served (usually in front of church; see schedule above)• Socks (available year-round); hats & gloves (October-April)• Personal care items (soap, razors, shampoo, toothbrushes, etc.)• $$ for work tools/shoes (must have regular employment)• $$ for vital records (birth, death, and marriage certificates)• $$ for Colorado I.D. cards and driver's licenses• Assistance filling out formsYep, no issues at all so long as you don't like the poor.
Beerguy: "In related news, the Mormon church has announced they are pulling out of Oregon, citing "unspecified reasons.""
StreetlightInTheGhetto: I love Charity Navigator.for myself, but also the non-profit I work for has 3/4. Which is fair, there's definitely room for improvement. But it's incredibly helpful to be able to point (justifiably) skeptical people to the site.
JesusJuice: All those services could be more efficiently provided by the state.
legion_of_doo: JesusJuice: Good. Next, churches.Why are you against the separation of church & state?
buzzcut73: phillydrifter: Even charities have operating costs.I don't think anybody disputes that. However, when operating costs, the CEO's salary, marketing and 'awareness' campaigns (which is just marketing under a different cost code) take up 70% of the budget, there is a problem.
HeadLever: JesusJuice: All those services could be more efficiently provided by the state.If the fraud in Medicare is any indication of the efficiency of this program, I'll have to kindly disagree with you there.We could fund the programs by taxing churches.But then it stops being charity. As anyone knows, forced charity is not charity at all. It just becomes another bureaucratic social program.
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