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2013-06-30 06:18:36 PM  
A trip to the Gettysburg battlefield is a good thing.
 
2013-06-30 06:25:04 PM  
That's neat.
 
2013-06-30 06:30:37 PM  
Seems kind of hammered to me for traffic,  Not a bad thing.
 
2013-06-30 07:16:50 PM  
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
 
2013-06-30 07:36:40 PM  
All for shoes.
 
2013-06-30 07:38:27 PM  
I saw that last night from a link posted on a current events/politics forum.  I was very impressed.
 
2013-06-30 07:39:57 PM  
I don't need the map; I have GPS. What's the Gettysburg address?
 
2013-06-30 07:40:09 PM  
The War of Southern Butt Hurt.

Every single battle was a loss for the south, even when they "won," they were losing, day by day.
 
2013-06-30 07:43:55 PM  
Is this the thread where everyone tells a bunch of apathetic southerners to 'get over' losing a war none of them ever fought in?
 
2013-06-30 07:45:46 PM  
Strange, Kyro, a lot of them SEEM to care..
 
2013-06-30 07:45:48 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The War of Southern Butt Hurt.

Every single battle was a loss for the south, even when they "won," they were losing, day by day.


Yeah, the original Moff Tarkins: "Evacuate? in our moment of triumph! I think you overestimate their chances..."
 
2013-06-30 07:49:53 PM  

Kyro: Is this the thread where everyone tells a bunch of apathetic southerners to 'get over' losing a war none of them ever fought in?


Some of these folks don't think it's over.  I have heard SCV folks say things like, "that was just round one".

DjangoStonereaver: A trip to the Gettysburg battlefield is a good thing.


Especially now.  In the last 15 years, they've blocked the casino, demolished the gaudy observation tower, moved the visitors' center off the main Cemetery Ridge line (and it looks like an old barn now), and restored the Cyclorama.  In fact, the only flaw is the loss of the electric map, but that's small potatoes.
 
2013-06-30 07:56:03 PM  
Southern aggression? I was told it was the war of "Southern Stupidity". Something we are still fighting.
 
2013-06-30 07:56:47 PM  
  Shouldn't that be the War of  NORTHERN Aggression ?
 
2013-06-30 07:57:11 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Strange, Kyro, a lot of them SEEM to care..


UNC_Samurai: Some of these folks don't think it's over.  I have heard SCV folks say things like, "that was just round one".


I must have missed the memo where some fringe weirdos suddenly speak for the majority.  That's not going to bode well for anyone living anywhere near the WBC.
 
2013-06-30 07:58:36 PM  
Notice the thread is full of people biatching about the south.  Get over it already.
 
2013-06-30 07:58:51 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: A trip to the Gettysburg battlefield is a good thing.


This. Went for the first time a few weeks ago and I was absolutely stunned at how large (not to mention beautifully kept) the battlefield actually is.

Took this from Little Round Top. Extent of the battlefield from here is at least 4 miles.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 07:59:02 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The War of Southern Butt Hurt.

Every single battle was a loss for the south, even when they "won," they were losing, day by day.


Fairer to say that they won a number of tactical victories, but no strategic victories.
 
2013-06-30 08:00:25 PM  
Eh, I volunteer at an archive in the south where tons of people come in every day to research their genealogy and the only time anyone seems to care about this particular war is if their ancestor(s) fought in it and they found the name.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:34 PM  

kendejo42: Shouldn't that be the War of  NORTHERN Aggression ?


Actually it is the War of Southern Treason.
 
2013-06-30 08:02:22 PM  
This is news? I saw the battle map at Gettysburg 35 years ago!

(heard they finally retired it a year or so back)
 
2013-06-30 08:02:23 PM  

wambu: I don't need the map; I have GPS. What's the Gettysburg address?


P. Sherman
42 Wallaby Way
Sydney
 
2013-06-30 08:04:11 PM  
STATES' RIGHTS!!!!1! to keep black people as livestock
 
2013-06-30 08:04:42 PM  

kendejo42:   Shouldn't that be the War of  NORTHERN Aggression ?


No
 
2013-06-30 08:06:12 PM  

lewismarktwo: Notice the thread is full of people biatching about the south.  Get over it already.


When they stop flying confederate battle flags from their trailers, shotgun shacks, and statehouses; and stop talking about it all the time, we'll get over it.

I had ancestors who helped open and distribute that can of whoopa$$ on the rebels. In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south. It's funny and sad.

It boggles the mind, really. Then there are the ignoramuses who claim it wasn't about slavery, but state's rights. For them, read South Carolina's declaration of secession. The left the union because the northern states wouldn't enforce the law and return their fugitive slaves. Yes, SLAVES.
 
2013-06-30 08:07:20 PM  
Tried to watch it, but within the few three minutes it said so many things that disagreed with everything I've read about the battle, I had to walk away.

Obviously I wasn't there, but Lee didn't mass his forces there, he was leaving, and the Northern Cavalry attacked the tailing units of the Confederate army.

Bruce Catton said so, that's good enough for me.
 
2013-06-30 08:07:44 PM  
Coupla years ago, I toured the battlefield there with a West Point history professor.
Amazing.
 
2013-06-30 08:18:03 PM  
My cousins' great-great-grandfather was a sergeant with the 4th U.S. Artillery during the war. He was wounded at Antietam and was with his battery at Gettysburg. When his CO was killed, he kept the battery in action, and was later commissioned in the Regular Army. Retired as a major with the CMH after serving his adopted country for another 35 years or so, and promoted to light colonel after his retirement.

RIP, Friedrich Füger.
 
2013-06-30 08:19:18 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south.


Except for.. like, not.  I mean I'm sure you'll find some whacked out hillbilly that obsesses over it.  But if you want to go down that road I'd be glad to find some weirdos with misplaced priorities in your neck of the woods.  All and all you'd be surprised how little a war that ended 150 years ago comes up in our day to day lives.  You'd be even more surprised about how few of us give a sh*t(my family wasn't even down here).

But don't let that stop you from scoffing at the southern strawman.  I'd hate to rob you of whatever sense of pride you seem to be getting from a war you weren't alive for.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:08 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I had ancestors who helped open and distribute that can of whoopa$$ on the rebels. In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south. It's funny and sad.


It has more to do with the dickishness and asshattery of Reconstruction than anything else.
 
2013-06-30 08:22:43 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lewismarktwo: Notice the thread is full of people biatching about the south.  Get over it already.

When they stop flying confederate battle flags from their trailers, shotgun shacks, and statehouses; and stop talking about it all the time, we'll get over it.

I had ancestors who helped open and distribute that can of whoopa$$ on the rebels. In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south. It's funny and sad.

It boggles the mind, really. Then there are the ignoramuses who claim it wasn't about slavery, but state's rights. For them, read South Carolina's declaration of secession. The left the union because the northern states wouldn't enforce the law and return their fugitive slaves. Yes, SLAVES.


i49.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-30 08:24:19 PM  
Our poor white trash that fought a war to protect the interest of the moneyed class sure whooped on your poor white trash that fought a war to protect the interest of the moneyed class.
 
2013-06-30 08:25:42 PM  
The War of Southern Treason. The War that defined War Crimes.

Gettysburg is the saddest monument to killing and human destruction in the continental US bar none.

The war that gave the world the term War Crimes and those conventions like the Geneva Convention that were the reaction to the horrific human actions in that war against its own people.

It's a good thing we mistake the battlefield as a costume and strategy game and flaunt the Geneva Convention that was built on the blood of our own and worry about casinos and shopping centers.
 
2013-06-30 08:31:42 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us-that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion-that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain-that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom-and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.



Such a short speech. And it seems indicative to me, Sean, that our RINO president Lincoln didn't really want to be at Gettysburg today and would rather be in New York fundraising with those East Coast Whig elitists.
 
2013-06-30 08:34:45 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: kendejo42: Shouldn't that be the War of  NORTHERN Aggression ?

Actually it is the War of Southern Treason.


Actually it's the War of Southern People Thinking That People Should Be Able To Enslave Other Human Beings As Opposed To Northern People Who While Their Motives May Have Been Questionable They At Least Did Not Think People Should Be Able To Enslave Other Human Beings
 
2013-06-30 08:39:57 PM  
The War of Holy Crap People Back Then Were Assholes
 
2013-06-30 08:42:15 PM  

Kyro: HotIgneous Intruder: In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south.

Except for.. like, not.  I mean I'm sure you'll find some whacked out hillbilly that obsesses over it.  But if you want to go down that road I'd be glad to find some weirdos with misplaced priorities in your neck of the woods.  All and all you'd be surprised how little a war that ended 150 years ago comes up in our day to day lives.  You'd be even more surprised about how few of us give a sh*t(my family wasn't even down here).

But don't let that stop you from scoffing at the southern strawman.  I'd hate to rob you of whatever sense of pride you seem to be getting from a war you weren't alive for.


Bless your heart.

/we live with the fallout of the war, and it won't go away in my lifetime
 
2013-06-30 08:45:07 PM  

UNC_Samurai: /we live with the fallout of the war


Example?
 
2013-06-30 08:47:22 PM  

wambu: HotIgneous Intruder: I had ancestors who helped open and distribute that can of whoopa$$ on the rebels. In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south. It's funny and sad.

It has more to do with the dickishness and asshattery of Reconstruction than anything else.


In retrospect, maybe Reconstruction didn't last long enough.
 
2013-06-30 08:48:03 PM  

Kyro: The War of Holy Crap People  Back Then Were Are Assholes


Anyway, it was most assuredly the War of Northern Aggression. Why would my public school lie to me, huh? I sometimes wonder what the US would be like now if the good guys had won. Slavery would rightly be gone by now anyway, but how would the US look today if the carpetbaggers hadn't balls'd up my backyard.
 
2013-06-30 08:48:36 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: A trip to the Gettysburg battlefield is a good thing.


Yes, yes it is. In fact, I was there yesterday.
 
2013-06-30 08:52:04 PM  
Southerners represent about 2% of people I know, but probably 90% of people who brought it up in conversion with me.  An awful lot of Southerners have a fixation on the Civil War.  Deal with it.
 
2013-06-30 08:53:47 PM  

VTGremlin: Kyro: The War of Holy Crap People  Back Then Were Are Assholes

Anyway, it was most assuredly the War of Northern Aggression. Why would my public school lie to me, huh? I sometimes wonder what the US would be like now if the good guys had won. Slavery would rightly be gone by now anyway, but how would the US look today if the carpetbaggers hadn't balls'd up my backyard.


The "good guys" would probably have been allies with Adolf Hitler.
 
2013-06-30 08:58:07 PM  
What's often missed is that the Southern states had a myriad of reasons for fighting the war, but the overriding cause that provoked the war itself was the fact that the southern aristocracy feared that Lincoln would move to end slavery and gut the entire basis for most of their economy at the time: Slave labor.

It was simply economics.  Rich capitalists went to war to preserve their profits.
 
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2013-06-30 08:59:41 PM  
"For you War of Southern Aggression buffs"

I openly refer to it as The War Against Southern ignorance.
 
2013-06-30 09:05:00 PM  
I've always been intrigued by the Civil War. Being born and raised Southern, I remember seeing "The South Will Rise Again" painted on the side of a Van when I was 5 or 6 years old. So, I asked my half brother what that meant.

Shortly after that we went to a Civil War Museum in Tennessee and I just couldn't get enough. These days, I'm fully engrossed in Gettysburg. Though the war went on for almost 2 more years, it was really over after this battle. The South was just too stubborn to realize it.

/God's will that they lose and all that
//Southerners really need to let it go
 
2013-06-30 09:09:23 PM  

Piestar: Tried to watch it, but within the few three minutes it said so many things that disagreed with everything I've read about the battle, I had to walk away.

Obviously I wasn't there, but Lee didn't mass his forces there, he was leaving, and the Northern Cavalry attacked the tailing units of the Confederate army.

Bruce Catton said so, that's good enough for me.


Lee brought his army north to forage off Union farms and towns.  He'd done this before in Maryland and it ended in the Battle of Antietam.  Lee wasn't about to leave.  He wanted to whip the Yankees on Northern soil, and threaten Washington D.C.  He hoped to demoralize the Union enough that they would sue for peace.
Just days before the battle at Gettysburg, Union General Joseph Hooker was expelled, and General George Meade was given the command.  He'd heard Lee's Army of Northern Virginia was in Pennsylvania, so he crossed the Potomac.  Southern spies warned Lee, and he started to concentrate his forces around Cashtown; not far from Gettysburg.
Forward Union cavalry entered Gettysburg and found signs of Confederate troops.  The Rebels also saw the Cavalry.   They reported back to General A.P. Hill.    He was under orders to not engage Federal troops in a general battle.  However, Hill decided this was just local militia, and that he would send out a reconnaissance force on the morning of July 1st.
The Union cavalry had also reported back to General John Reynolds, and asked that he bring up infantry as soon as possible.
So basically, the two armies blundered into each other at Gettysburg.  Lee didn't get to pick his battlefield this time, and his troops paid a heavy price.
 
2013-06-30 09:09:57 PM  

Speaker2Animals: wambu: HotIgneous Intruder: I had ancestors who helped open and distribute that can of whoopa$$ on the rebels. In the north, people don't really talk about the Civil War like it happened last week with regret and lamentation in our voices. They do down south. It's funny and sad.

It has more to do with the dickishness and asshattery of Reconstruction than anything else.

In retrospect, maybe Reconstruction didn't last long enough.


I rest my case.
 
2013-06-30 09:13:15 PM  
Another "how important the South and North view the Civil War" anecdote:

When I was at Virginia Tech, I was talking with another student who was a native Virginian, and high school education came up, and he started lamenting the fact that Virginia students only took one year of Civil War, and if they wanted to study it further they had to use an elective, and not all high schools offered any Civil War electives.  He asked me how they do Civil War in Pennsylvania, genuninely afraid that a Northern State might offer better Civil War education than his own.

I was like, "Well, students in Pennsylvania don't actually study the Civil War.  In theory, we have year of American History up to the end of the Civil, and another year for Reconstruction to the present day. However, in practice, no one actually makes it to the Civil War in the first year, and in the second year they just start from Reconstruction."

I had a hard time convincing him I wasn't joking.

But then, it amazes me how non-pliable some people's brains are.  I once had the darnedest time convincing a fellow student at Penn State that most urban high schools don't have a FFA.  She was like, "But don't some people want to be farmers even if they live in the city?"  I was like, "No. Nobody the city wants to be a farmer."
 
2013-06-30 09:18:49 PM  

Kyro: UNC_Samurai: /we live with the fallout of the war

Example?


www.mediaite.com
 
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