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2013-06-30 06:38:18 PM
I just wonder how people continue to support this guy. His whole thing was "I want to expose the govt for doing things against the law, constitution and American people. The first "revelation" about the NSA getting ball-deep in everyone's data fit in line with that narrative, so I understand how people would support him.

But after that, and the "revelations" since... wow. He's exposing intelligence operations of the US and other nations. Is the new narrative "no nation, especially the United States, should not gather any intelligence of any kind"?

Just face it people. This guy wanted to be famous and be treated like a folk-hero. What he's doing is the equivalent of an ex-boyfriend posting a sex-tape with his gf on the internet because she dumped him. At this point, it's just malicious and self-serving.

Long story short... F*ck that dude. I hope they hang him.
 
2013-06-30 07:01:35 PM

Cubansaltyballs: He's exposing intelligence operations of the US and other nations. Is the new narrative "no nation, especially the United States, should not gather any intelligence of any kind"?


According to this article he's continuing to just talk about the US, "United States had eavesdropped on European Union offices in Washington, Brussels and at the United Nations in New York."

The EU is an ally.

I'll admit that maybe there's stuff you're referring to that I don't know about, I haven't been keeping up on this, but I don't see it in this article.
 
2013-06-30 07:27:37 PM

Barfmaker: According to this article he's continuing to just talk about the US, "United States had eavesdropped on European Union offices in Washington, Brussels and at the United Nations in New York."


Except when he blabbed that the UK spied on the G8/20 meeting.

Barfmaker: The EU is an ally.


Technically speaking, so was the Empire of Japan on the morning of Pearl Harbor. Just because someone is currently an "ally" doesn't mean they aren't working against you.

For this one, I don't think we're worried about the EU picking up arms against us. I suspect it's more likely people will share things with Belgium that they won't share with the US, so why not get that info?

Barfmaker: I'll admit that maybe there's stuff you're referring to that I don't know about, I haven't been keeping up on this, but I don't see it in this article.


He blabbed that we "hack China" and the UK was bugging the G8/20.

This clearly has NOTHING to do with what the US intel agencies are doing to the American people and exposing it. This is some douchebag trying to become a folk-hero and his willingness to harm the US and its legitimate intelligence gathering operations to meet that end.
 
2013-06-30 07:28:24 PM
What a dumbassange.
 
2013-06-30 07:29:01 PM
CSB - except the US is gathering EVERYTHING and we're paying for it.  And it isn't doing shiat.
 
2013-06-30 07:30:51 PM
The dumbass tag is for Obama, right?
 
2013-06-30 07:32:41 PM

Cubansaltyballs: This clearly has NOTHING to do with what the US intel agencies are doing to the American people and exposing it. This is some douchebag trying to become a folk-hero and his willingness to harm the US and its legitimate intelligence gathering operations to meet that end.


But FREEEDOOOMMMMM.
 
2013-06-30 07:34:09 PM
I'm starting to see a pattern in this.

Snowden leads a few morsels, the government and its useful idiots rationalize and lie out of their ass, more things are revealed, they get humiliated and get egg on their face.

The longer this goes on the better, we don't have the attention span to process the leaks as a lump sum.
 
2013-06-30 07:37:05 PM
What a long Assange trip it's been.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:06 PM

Cubansaltyballs: I just wonder how people continue to support this guy. His whole thing was "I want to expose the govt for doing things against the law, constitution and American people. The first "revelation" about the NSA getting ball-deep in everyone's data fit in line with that narrative, so I understand how people would support him.

But after that, and the "revelations" since... wow. He's exposing intelligence operations of the US and other nations. Is the new narrative "no nation, especially the United States, should not gather any intelligence of any kind"?

Just face it people. This guy wanted to be famous and be treated like a folk-hero. What he's doing is the equivalent of an ex-boyfriend posting a sex-tape with his gf on the internet because she dumped him. At this point, it's just malicious and self-serving.

Long story short... F*ck that dude. I hope they hang him.


Probably for a very long time. There really hasn't been many people dropping off from their support of him, there's just the same people that didn't like what he did to begin with continuing to be upset about it. Not much has changed there as far as I've seen.

Putting myself in his shoes, I can see wanting to alert the American people about the spying. After doing that and then realizing you're the U.S. Government's public enemy # 1, it's not really surprising that any loyalty he might have had for the U.S. government would be quickly eroded, and now he's just in survival mode.

The government's which hunt of him has forced him to seek help from those that might have a less than pro-American bent, simply because anyone else would send him right back here and he'd be farked. I can understand your frustration, but at this point, he's just reacting to the witch hunt against him, and his response to that not-surprisingly may not always be the same as those initial actions motivated by his wanting to awaken Americans to what's going on.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:33 PM
The fact that Assange has control of the narrative now rather than Snowden is worrisome.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:38 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Barfmaker: According to this article he's continuing to just talk about the US, "United States had eavesdropped on European Union offices in Washington, Brussels and at the United Nations in New York."

Except when he blabbed that the UK spied on the G8/20 meeting.

Barfmaker: The EU is an ally.

Technically speaking, so was the Empire of Japan on the morning of Pearl Harbor. Just because someone is currently an "ally" doesn't mean they aren't working against you.

For this one, I don't think we're worried about the EU picking up arms against us. I suspect it's more likely people will share things with Belgium that they won't share with the US, so why not get that info?

Barfmaker: I'll admit that maybe there's stuff you're referring to that I don't know about, I haven't been keeping up on this, but I don't see it in this article.

He blabbed that we "hack China" and the UK was bugging the G8/20.

This clearly has NOTHING to do with what the US intel agencies are doing to the American people and exposing it. This is some douchebag trying to become a folk-hero and his willingness to harm the US and its legitimate intelligence gathering operations to meet that end.


Heh geez relax man, you're raving.
 
2013-06-30 07:41:35 PM
The US citizenry is largely made up of petulant children.  So much of our prosperity has come on the suffering of others, and we go blithely along patting ourselves on the back for our great accomplishments.

I don't consider Snowden a hero or a traitor.  Watching the reactions to his activities is priceless though.
 
2013-06-30 07:44:15 PM
www.disneyeveryday.com
/hot err
 
2013-06-30 07:44:46 PM
Wait - what?  The abominable whom?  Say, that reminds me.  I fell asleep last night watching the History Channel.  Based on recent findings by Russian scientists, they were about to announce conclusive evidence to either confirm or refute the existence of the Yeti and/or Bigfoot.  Or whatever.

/like I said, I fell asleep

//anybody catch the ending?
 
2013-06-30 07:44:49 PM

justoneznot: After doing that and then realizing you're the U.S. Government's public enemy # 1, it's not really surprising that any loyalty he might have had for the U.S. government would be quickly eroded, and now he's just in survival mode.


This. Snowden probably also realizes the only chance he has of not essentially disappearing in russia is to give the russians a reason to keep him around (IE, a slow dripping leak..)
 
2013-06-30 07:46:00 PM

"Look, there is no stopping the publishing process at this stage," Mr. Assange said on the ABC News program "This Week."


"You can't stop the signal, Stephanopoulos. Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere."


(Image from inside the Ecuador Embassy)


img521.imageshack.us

 
2013-06-30 07:46:58 PM

Cubansaltyballs: I just wonder how people continue to support this guy. His whole thing was "I want to expose the govt for doing things against the law, constitution and American people. The first "revelation" about the NSA getting ball-deep in everyone's data fit in line with that narrative, so I understand how people would support him.

But after that, and the "revelations" since... wow. He's exposing intelligence operations of the US and other nations. Is the new narrative "no nation, especially the United States, should not gather any intelligence of any kind"?

Just face it people. This guy wanted to be famous and be treated like a folk-hero. What he's doing is the equivalent of an ex-boyfriend posting a sex-tape with his gf on the internet because she dumped him. At this point, it's just malicious and self-serving.

Long story short... F*ck that dude. I hope they hang him.


Reminds me of the Dorner case. Oh, the puns that would fly if Snowden
was trapped in a cabin.
 
2013-06-30 07:47:23 PM

iaazathot: I don't consider Snowden a hero or a traitor.


I just consider him a part of reality. When your operations are built on secrecy, exposure is bound to happen. It's hard for individuals to keep secrets. It's impossible for organizations to do so.

This is a problem- if your espionage apparatus is built on information arbitrage and minimizing your own visibility (which is what every state-run espionage organization does), it's doomed to eventually have an event like this.
 
2013-06-30 07:48:29 PM

Somaticasual: justoneznot: After doing that and then realizing you're the U.S. Government's public enemy # 1, it's not really surprising that any loyalty he might have had for the U.S. government would be quickly eroded, and now he's just in survival mode.

This. Snowden probably also realizes the only chance he has of not essentially disappearing in russia is to give the russians a reason to keep him around (IE, a slow dripping leak..)


i.walmartimages.com
/hot but works
 
2013-06-30 07:50:53 PM

Cubansaltyballs: F*ck that dude. I hope they hang him.


Amen.
 
2013-06-30 07:53:23 PM
Hey, y'all... I don't know if you have noticed, but we in the USA have been very safe for the last ten or so years while there are thousands of maniacal zealots whose main goal in life is the destruction of Americans and America. We can thank the NSA for our safety. Thank you, NSA. Screw you Snow den. You belong in a snow den.
 
2013-06-30 07:55:21 PM

Somaticasual: justoneznot: After doing that and then realizing you're the U.S. Government's public enemy # 1, it's not really surprising that any loyalty he might have had for the U.S. government would be quickly eroded, and now he's just in survival mode.

This. Snowden probably also realizes the only chance he has of not essentially disappearing in russia is to give the russians a reason to keep him around (IE, a slow dripping leak..)


Well, if he had just released the whole PRISM thing, he probably wouldn't have gotten into too much trouble. With that I mean he probably could have beaten some of the charges and done a few years on the others and he probably would have been out in time to start a new life. That American Taliban dude only got 20-soemthing years. The govt probably would have plead him down to keep this from being a daily news story.

But after he just started dumping everything he had on everything, he blew away any chance of that. There's no way he'd walk on any charges and the govt would throw the book at him. They're going to make an example of him.

He stopped being a "whistleblower" and started being a "blabber-mouth c*nt" when he started talking about covert ops against China, the EU, etc...  I'm just wondering when he's going to dump any data he has about our spying on Iran or Pakistan.

Thank god he didn't know about Bin Laden's location, or this miserable c*ntbag would have blabbed that too.
 
2013-06-30 07:55:43 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: Hey, y'all... I don't know if you have noticed, but we in the USA have been very safe for the last ten or so years while there are thousands of maniacal zealots whose main goal in life is the destruction of Americans and America. We can thank the NSA for our safety. Thank you, NSA. Screw you Snow den. You belong in a snow den.


No, that's because of my terrorist repelling rock. It also keeps bears away.

/having a hard time believing that people would use this argument seriously again
 
2013-06-30 07:55:57 PM
Torion!:
[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]
/hot but works


Can you even get that any more?  I used to use it to help me sleep but I haven't seen it in stores for years.
 
2013-06-30 07:56:56 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.


Prove it.
 
2013-06-30 07:58:46 PM

Cubansaltyballs: He stopped being a "whistleblower" and started being a "blabber-mouth c*nt" when he started talking about covert ops against China, the EU, etc... I'm just wondering when he's going to dump any data he has about our spying on Iran or Pakistan.


Oh don't get me wrong, he's still a traitor on a few fronts. Assange would be as well if he were a US citizen, but as it stands he's just another narcissistic opportunist feeding on the same data.
 
2013-06-30 07:59:07 PM

vodka: Torion!:
[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]
/hot but works

Can you even get that any more?  I used to use it to help me sleep but I haven't seen it in stores for years.


Oh, never mind. I now see the "does not contain  Pseudoephedrine".  I guess it went off the market while they changed the formula.  Probably doesn't work any more.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:24 PM
now, kind of side stepping the topic, but what is the Fark consensus on Bradly Manning?
 
2013-06-30 08:01:45 PM
We pay the NSA to engage in covert action and keep it covert.  I want to know what they're going to do to prevent future leaks.
 
2013-06-30 08:03:30 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Barfmaker: The EU is an ally.

Technically speaking, so was the Empire of Japan on the morning of Pearl Harbor. Just because someone is currently an "ally" doesn't mean they aren't working against you.


Sh*t! The EU is going to bomb Pearl Harbor?!?!
 
2013-06-30 08:03:58 PM

foo monkey: Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.

Prove it.


Prove anyone gives enough of a sh*t about your life (ignoring your premise that you and everything you do is so goddamn interesting) and/or that anyone would listen to your calls or track your movements.
 
2013-06-30 08:06:54 PM

Spartapuss: Cubansaltyballs: I just wonder how people continue to support this guy. His whole thing was "I want to expose the govt for doing things against the law, constitution and American people. The first "revelation" about the NSA getting ball-deep in everyone's data fit in line with that narrative, so I understand how people would support him.

But after that, and the "revelations" since... wow. He's exposing intelligence operations of the US and other nations. Is the new narrative "no nation, especially the United States, should not gather any intelligence of any kind"?

Just face it people. This guy wanted to be famous and be treated like a folk-hero. What he's doing is the equivalent of an ex-boyfriend posting a sex-tape with his gf on the internet because she dumped him. At this point, it's just malicious and self-serving.

Long story short... F*ck that dude. I hope they hang him.

Reminds me of the Dorner case. Oh, the puns that would fly if Snowden
was trapped in a cabin.


You can't corner the Snowden? I don't get it...
 
2013-06-30 08:08:30 PM

Cubansaltyballs: foo monkey: Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.

Prove it.

Prove anyone gives enough of a sh*t about your life (ignoring your premise that you and everything you do is so goddamn interesting) and/or that anyone would listen to your calls or track your movements.


now, this is gonna sound on the level of Alex Jones crazy, but wait until you do something wrong enough to warrant arrest

/then you'll find out what you did wrong
//tips tinfoil hat to the side
 
2013-06-30 08:09:07 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: Hey, y'all... I don't know if you have noticed, but we in the USA have been very safe for the last ten or so years while there are thousands of maniacal zealots whose main goal in life is the destruction of Americans and America. We can thank the NSA for our safety. Thank you, NSA. Screw you Snow den. You belong in a snow den.


You mean the government?
 
2013-06-30 08:09:54 PM

fusillade762: Cubansaltyballs: Barfmaker: The EU is an ally.

Technically speaking, so was the Empire of Japan on the morning of Pearl Harbor. Just because someone is currently an "ally" doesn't mean they aren't working against you.

Sh*t! The EU is going to bomb Pearl Harbor?!?!



Probably. The Poles and Slovaks will come armed with their Babushka Bombs, the British will have kamikaze boiled hams and warm beer. The french will just surrender and retreat back to their country to support child-rapists and cousin-f*ckers after being called "The Brownpants Squadron" by some drunk Czech.
 
2013-06-30 08:11:40 PM

No Time To Explain: Cubansaltyballs: foo monkey: Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.

Prove it.

Prove anyone gives enough of a sh*t about your life (ignoring your premise that you and everything you do is so goddamn interesting) and/or that anyone would listen to your calls or track your movements.

now, this is gonna sound on the level of Alex Jones crazy, but wait until you do something wrong enough to warrant arrest

/then you'll find out what you did wrong
//tips tinfoil hat to the side


Yeah... because they'd totally blow an entire covert program because I called a buddy and told him he left his weed at my house. Sounds legit.
 
2013-06-30 08:11:42 PM

Cubansaltyballs: foo monkey: Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.

Prove it.

Prove anyone gives enough of a sh*t about your life (ignoring your premise that you and everything you do is so goddamn interesting) and/or that anyone would listen to your calls or track your movements.


It's creates a chilling effect for anyone who decides that social and political submission and conformity isn't their cup of tea. Free and democratic societies require privacy to keep things that way. If you want to track a nutjob, show evidence and get a warrant.

You might be content with living your life with your head kept down, but others have higher aspirations.
 
2013-06-30 08:12:59 PM
The moment Sean Penn has something to say about this, I think I have a "Falcon and the Snowden" headline.
 
2013-06-30 08:13:26 PM

super_grass: Cubansaltyballs: foo monkey: Disappearing Hitchhiker: We can thank the NSA for our safety.

Prove it.

Prove anyone gives enough of a sh*t about your life (ignoring your premise that you and everything you do is so goddamn interesting) and/or that anyone would listen to your calls or track your movements.

It's creates a chilling effect for anyone who decides that social and political submission and conformity isn't their cup of tea. Free and democratic societies require privacy to keep things that way. If you want to track a nutjob, show evidence and get a warrant.

You might be content with living your life with your head kept down, but others have higher aspirations.


What in the blue f*ck are you talking about? I don't want to be listened to anymore than anyone else, but I also have the self-awareness that I am not that important and nothing I do would be interesting to anybody.
 
2013-06-30 08:14:15 PM
I still support Snowden and Assange. I have no loyalty to the United States (even though I was born here and live here) and I like to see this country embarrassed.

My country has invaded random countries, toppled elected governments, killed thousands of civilians, tortured prisoners of war, and spied on everyone everywhere.

I'm not proud to be an American and I love every minute of these embarrassments.
 
2013-06-30 08:16:06 PM

jack21221: I still support Snowden and Assange. I have no loyalty to the United States (even though I was born here and live here) and I like to see this country embarrassed.

My country has invaded random countries, toppled elected governments, killed thousands of civilians, tortured prisoners of war, and spied on everyone everywhere.

I'm not proud to be an American and I love every minute of these embarrassments.


Hmmm... so why haven't you moved somewhere better? I mean it's not like you're Rhianna and have no choice but to stay in a sh*tty situation.
 
2013-06-30 08:16:52 PM
He's saying that spies are spying?!! I'm absolutely shocked! I never in a million years would have suspected they would spy on China...
 
2013-06-30 08:17:18 PM

Cubansaltyballs: I am not that important and nothing I do would be interesting to anybody.


That's just you.

But there are people like political activists or reformers who can be harassed and intimidated thanks to broad surveillance programs. We need these people's work to keep the government honest and society free.

Not everything is about you and your own set of narrow life experiences.

Get it?
 
2013-06-30 08:18:03 PM

jack21221: I still support Snowden and Assange. I have no loyalty to the United States (even though I was born here and live here) and I like to see this country embarrassed.

My country has invaded random countries, toppled elected governments, killed thousands of civilians, tortured prisoners of war, and spied on everyone everywhere.

I'm not proud to be an American and I love every minute of these embarrassments.


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-30 08:19:09 PM

jack21221: I still support Snowden and Assange. I have no loyalty to the United States (even though I was born here and live here) and I like to see this country embarrassed.

My country has invaded random countries, toppled elected governments, killed thousands of civilians, tortured prisoners of war, and spied on everyone everywhere.

I'm not proud to be an American and I love every minute of these embarrassments.


there's a bit of a saying somebody told me, be loyal to your countrymen and not your country

/basically, help those who mean something to you, and don't follow blindly
//being Canadian, I notice a lot of Americans I've come across follow blindly because they like taking sides
 
2013-06-30 08:20:21 PM

super_grass: Cubansaltyballs: I am not that important and nothing I do would be interesting to anybody.

That's just you.

But there are people like political activists or reformers who can be harassed and intimidated thanks to broad surveillance programs. We need these people's work to keep the government honest and society free.

Not everything is about you and your own set of narrow life experiences.

Get it?


Yes, I get it. You're an activist and important and everything you do is a threat to the status quo and they will brand you an enemy because you're so goddamn powerful and dangerous to them.

So quick question... name ONE activist or whatever that was harassed or intimidated by PRISM. Just one.
 
2013-06-30 08:20:58 PM

jack21221: I still support Snowden and Assange. I have no loyalty to the United States (even though I was born here and live here) and I like to see this country embarrassed.

My country has invaded random countries, toppled elected governments, killed thousands of civilians, tortured prisoners of war, and spied on everyone everywhere.

I'm not proud to be an American and I love every minute of these embarrassments.


Well aren't you special?
 
2013-06-30 08:21:05 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Yeah... because they'd totally blow an entire covert program because I called a buddy and told him he left his weed at my house. Sounds legit.


How would someone at NSA having their friend in the FBI put a bug in the ear of the local police that you might have weed going to blow a covert program?
 
2013-06-30 08:23:36 PM

Cubansaltyballs: super_grass: Cubansaltyballs: I am not that important and nothing I do would be interesting to anybody.

That's just you.

But there are people like political activists or reformers who can be harassed and intimidated thanks to broad surveillance programs. We need these people's work to keep the government honest and society free.

Not everything is about you and your own set of narrow life experiences.

Get it?

Yes, I get it. You're an activist and important and everything you do is a threat to the status quo and they will brand you an enemy because you're so goddamn powerful and dangerous to them.

So quick question... name ONE activist or whatever that was harassed or intimidated by PRISM. Just one.


Impossible, because of "National Security" secret interpretations and sealed court records.
 
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