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2013-06-30 08:32:17 PM  
5 votes:
The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.
2013-06-30 08:48:16 PM  
4 votes:
I dont get the negative reactions.  Any true Superman fan will tell you that he had to learn to discipline each and every "power" he has.  In this movie they don't show Superman as a sentinel being that is perfect in every way. He learns his destiny right as the villains show up.  And these weren't just your "Lex Luthor" type villains, these were super powered bad guys hell bent on destroying Earth as a punishment to Kal El for something Jor El did. Zod is a General.  He was bred to protect Kryptonian heritage at all cost, and he was more than willing to destroy all of Earth to do it.  People act like Superman CHOSE to have the fight in the streets of Smallville, or the streets of Metropolis.  Zod gave him no choice.  If Superman had b-lined it to the desert in hope that Zod would chase him Zod would have just started killing everyone in sight.  Zod chose to take the fight to Metropolis.  Zod chose to give Superman the chose of letting an innocent family die or kill Zod.  This movie rocked, and all the bs reasons people are coming up with that it doesn't is just that, BS.


My rant is over, dissect me please.
2013-06-30 01:28:25 PM  
4 votes:
They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.
2013-06-30 08:19:53 PM  
3 votes:
Snyder's Superman film didn't involve yet another Lex Luthor land scheme or a flying-around-the-world-in-reverse scene. It was fun and satisfying and laid the groundwork for a decent series.
2013-07-01 12:26:08 AM  
2 votes:
I had no problems with the plot choices they made and I was fine with a more serious take on the character. That said, this movie was farking BORING. This movie spent so much time trying to set and maintain a solemn tone they absolutely lost my interest. I'm fine with serious subject matter, but even the most serious movies give you a reason to crack a smile once in a while. The fight scenes we the same thing over and over. If you get off on someone being thrown through six buildings at a time, that's great, since you see it happen about ten times. And I get that he's a childhood freak with a paranoid father who screws with his head, but you simply can't tell me that being a super-powered child isn't fun at least some of the time.

I kept seeing aspects of the movie that I liked (new Kryptonian imagery was cool, Cavill looks the part, Crowe did a good job as Jor-El), but overall, it was a big, boring disappointment. I was not entertained and was relieved when it ended.
2013-07-01 12:23:17 AM  
2 votes:
The whole point of the secret identity is the thing this movie totally ignored, to its detriment. Superman is Clark Kent, a Kansas farm kid who has crazy awesome super powers b/c he's an alien. This movie is about the space alien Kal-El, trying to figure out about humans and how to fit in w/ them. It makes it hard to get empathy though. The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.

Oh, and the zoom ins/outs were atrocious. Hold your shots, you hacks.
2013-06-30 09:07:49 PM  
2 votes:
MoS is a lot like The Phantom Menace: The character development is crap and the script is pedestrian at best, but it had a HECK of a lightsaber fight, so the movie will rake in millions.
2013-06-30 08:50:18 PM  
2 votes:
"How hyperbolic headlines bring more traffic to my shiatty blog".


FTFY.
2013-06-30 08:44:18 PM  
2 votes:

mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.


But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.
2013-06-30 08:41:14 PM  
2 votes:

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.


No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.
2013-06-30 08:25:25 PM  
2 votes:

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Same here. Great movie, despite it being a Superman movie.
2013-06-30 07:52:58 PM  
2 votes:

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


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2013-06-30 07:06:03 PM  
2 votes:

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


I have. Superman II. And in the comics.
2013-06-30 04:47:45 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...

No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.


Gotta admit, Christian Bale talking as he had gargled razor blades as Batman is a low-spot of sorts.
2013-06-30 04:37:52 PM  
2 votes:

clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...


No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.
2013-06-30 01:43:02 PM  
2 votes:

Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.


Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.
2013-06-30 12:15:13 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites


The best part is, I'm not even trolling.
2013-06-30 11:38:28 AM  
2 votes:
Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.
2013-07-01 06:44:16 PM  
1 vote:

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Likewise. I respect the hell out of the Donner era, but it's over and it's time for a new take.
2013-07-01 11:34:05 AM  
1 vote:

Alphax: Rwa2play: Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.

Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.

That scene was a bit drawn out.. and you left the theater?  That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.


Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!
2013-07-01 10:09:21 AM  
1 vote:
Does anyone have any desire to watch any of Zack Snyder's films ever again? No, they're terrible. When you see 'Directed by Zack Snyder', you should know by now the movie will suck.
2013-07-01 08:45:12 AM  
1 vote:
The only real problem with it is that its SO unsatisfying to watch two people who can't really hurt each other just beating on one another for 15 minutes, which happens at least twice in the movie.  Really what they should have done is make it take a while for the Kryptonian bodies to store up a charge from the yellow sun.  Let Supes crap all over them in the initial confrontation, and then make them stronger in the next battle with him fighting like 3 of their elite soldiers.  Have Zod go out into space wearing a space suit for a while when he realizes this to  build himself up to almost equal and let him outfight the guy who has LITERALLY NEVER THROWN A PUNCH BEFORE to make up for the rest of it.

It would've been a lot more watchable if Superman could beat the lame Kryptonians into the ground 1-on-1 and they had to swarm him
2013-07-01 03:29:28 AM  
1 vote:

PacificaFitz: I dont get the negative reactions.


The movie lacked the most important ingredient in any super hero film:  Fun
Some of it was very cool, don't get me wrong... It just wasn't very much fun.  That, and the excessive number of times people were thrown through buildings are the reasons I thought it wasn't successful.
2013-07-01 02:23:52 AM  
1 vote:
I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.
2013-07-01 01:08:18 AM  
1 vote:

AeAe: Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.

I don't know what's "cannon", but I remember in the theatrical release, Supes goes into this chamber so he would get zapped and all his super powers would be erased.  Instead, he was protected and the Kryptonians outside the chamber lost their powers instead.  All 3 of the Kryptonians fell into this chasm which I assume was to their death because they no longer had super powers.

I'm not aware of the Donner cut of which you speak.


The Donner Cut was how the movie was intended to be edited, but Richard Donner was fired half-way through and the idiot producers hacked up the rest of the movie.  That's why you have the magic cellophane S and the amnesia kiss.
2013-06-30 10:51:29 PM  
1 vote:

Bith Set Me Up: Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.

So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.


Besides with Wonder Woman: It's Lynda Carter as WW looking hot and being awesome.  'nuff said, bub~!
2013-06-30 10:50:44 PM  
1 vote:

Fade2black: quatchi: Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.

THIS.

I don't get the haters...I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.  That's all I ask.  Lots of personal moments, lots of action, good story.  Elements of a joke here and there.  Worth my money, will see it again.

No movie is going to resonate with 100% of the audience.  Haters can suck it.


I enjoyed MoS.   It's not perfect, but it's one of the better summer movies I've seen thus far.  Star Trek is at the top spot for me thus far.
2013-06-30 10:41:22 PM  
1 vote:
I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.
2013-06-30 10:26:46 PM  
1 vote:
I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.
2013-06-30 10:11:17 PM  
1 vote:

eddievercetti: Goyer pretty much said to geeks to DEAL WITH IT.

/Didn't hate the film but didn't love it either.


Sounds like Wesley Snipes needs to choke a biatch.

All kidding aside, Goyer proved himself a hack with Blade: Trinity and reaffirmed it with this hot mess. It's not like there wasn't potential, with the cast being great, save Cavill, and the effects mostly decent, but the movie felt incomplete at best.
2013-06-30 09:57:46 PM  
1 vote:
I hated it. JUST like DC's new 52, it had no heart.
Action, action, action, fark character development, action, dark, destruction!
The only people I know who liked it, weren't alive to see Superman 1 and 2, so there you go
Superman for a new generation. A destructive dick.

Give me Iron Man anyday.
2013-06-30 09:47:32 PM  
1 vote:

Mad_Radhu: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

He was forced to. If he didn't, that family would have been killed by Zoe's heat vision. Doing nothing would have also caused deaths. I just wished the final fight involved Superman struggling to fight Zod while also being distracted by having to save innocents caught in the crossfire.


This. That scene where superman flew though a gas station and it blew up really bothered me.
2013-06-30 09:32:07 PM  
1 vote:

alwaysjaded: FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.


Imagine the sequel's plotline picking up shortly after MoS ends.  Metropolis has to be rebuilt and Lexcorp is at the forefront of it.  During the clean-up, Lex's people get their mitts on some Kryptonian tech.  Battlesuits, armor, energy weapons, whatever.

Now, Lex...imagine the Lex from JLU.  Brilliant, cool, a genius at PR and business and all of it means nothing compared to a god-in-flesh.  So, he has to tear Superman down.  He sets up a PR campaign to poison the will of the people against Superman.  Blame him for the destruction and the deaths of so many.

Act II ramps it up as Superman is starting to doubt whether or not he should actually 'be' Superman, with so many deaths laid at his feet.  Lex's plan kicks into a higher gear as he uses Kryptonian tech to stage a second invasion, insinuating the first was a ploy and a trick to get the people to trust Superman.

Third act has the climax, Lex's plan revealed for the lie that it is, and Superman ends up nearly dying somehow in an effort to save every last goddamned person in danger, and the public turning on Lex.

Oh yeah, at the end of the sequel, there better be a last scene of some blonde chick casually lifting a truck off of someone before disappearing into the crowd.
2013-06-30 09:30:25 PM  
1 vote:

Shadowknight: mr0x: At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.

That's one of my biggest annoyances with the old movies.  Just made powers up with no concern for canon.  I know Donner likely had nothing to do with the flying cellophane uniform S, but MAN that just pissed me off.


Donner didn't have anything to do with the cellophane S or amnesiac kiss. You should blame the Salkinds for that shiat.
2013-06-30 09:25:07 PM  
1 vote:
I liked it.  It really seemed to grasp the conflict that the protagonist struggled with.  Here was a guy who just wanted to be a normal guy, but was gifted with these great powers.  And while all he wanted to do was help people with them, he was ingrained with this need to keep himself secret from the world, thanks to his father.  Or one of them, I should say.

One father only wanted to keep him safe, hidden away from the world which might want to hurt him.  And that included giving up his own life rather than let his son be seen saving him from a tornado.

His other father wanted him to stand in the bright sun and be a shining example to humanity.  To be seen by everyone and be an encouragement to them, to coax the rest of the world up to where he was.

And yes, the scene where he kills Zod shocked me.  But I realized after the fact that having to kill the man might well form the basis for his adherence to avoiding killing people if at all possible.

What better way for him to establish that hard life-rule than sitting there, looking at what he's done and going "Okay, never doing that again."

As to whom he's killed within canon: Doomsday, Zod, Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor.  All big bad guys who want little more than to murder mass numbers of people.

Kinda like Zod in MoS.

Something to think about.
2013-06-30 09:19:25 PM  
1 vote:
I don't get all the hate saying "this isn't Superman".  If you read comics with any regularly (even DC), you will see there are multiple interpretations of the character even within DC.   Sure, I would have preferred "All-Star Superman" version of Kal-el.  I would have also liked a JLU version.  But I didn't get that.  I also didn't get the version of Batman, Spiderman (either incarnation) or Thor I really wanted either.  Captain America was pretty good. Iron Man was spot on for my tastes (though I think IM3 wasn't as good as I would have liked)

That being said, I enjoyed the heck out of the Nolan Batman movies in spite of the shortcomings (i.e. I didn't like the interpretation of the Joker or Bane, but I thought the Ra's/Talia Al Gul story arc was fantastic)

Man of Steel for me was better than Thor and Spiderman movies, about as good as Captain America, but not as good as Batman, Iron Man or the Avengers.  It was a damn site better than Singer's "Lex is a real-estate magnate, yet again and Superman is all emo-y" attempt.

So in other words a middling-good attempt, with some flaws that opens up a few good story arcs to explore.
2013-06-30 09:13:39 PM  
1 vote:

Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.


Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.
2013-06-30 09:11:45 PM  
1 vote:

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.

But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.


It was Superman, it just wasn't written by a 6 year old. You'll get over it.
2013-06-30 09:11:37 PM  
1 vote:

mr0x: At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.


That's one of my biggest annoyances with the old movies.  Just made powers up with no concern for canon.  I know Donner likely had nothing to do with the flying cellophane uniform S, but MAN that just pissed me off.
2013-06-30 09:08:13 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


You know what's a good movie?  Transformers:  Dark Side of the Moon
2013-06-30 09:04:47 PM  
1 vote:
Loved the Batman movies (although I thought the last one was the weakest of the three) but I really hated Man of Steel.  In fact, I hated it the more I thought about it.  Don't blame DC for wanting to go in a different direction, but I just think that direction was wrong.
2013-06-30 08:53:45 PM  
1 vote:
I know it's not canon, or at least it's not canon the way the movies aren't canon to the comics, but Clark killed villains on Smallville.

Or at least one, Titan.  I forget the season but I'm sure you could Google "Smallville" and "Titan" and find it.
And no one cried about that!!

Man of Steel was fantastic.
2013-06-30 08:46:26 PM  
1 vote:
The film was as good as zack could make it, the man is extremely limited as a director. speaking of direction, someone edit the fark out this film, it doesnt need to be lotr length, it should clock in around 90 minutes. Almost every scene dragged on several seconds too long, yes we get it you spent a lot of money on this but we dont need to see every rendered second of it.

Overall it was a decent reboot of the franchise, and gave us the origin story and zod, and several nods of the comics. If they can somehow make it through a second film without a luthor real estate scheme I'd say they are exceeding my low expectations.

/id still like an apology for green lantern
2013-06-30 08:43:40 PM  
1 vote:

PacificaFitz: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

Comics, Superman killed the alternate universe Zod for the genocide of that universes Earth.  An act that destroyed Superman emotionally for a long time.  Just like when in the movie he snapped Zods neck he screamed out in what was almost pain.


People seeing the world through the rose colored glasses of childhood memory seem to forget things:

static.comicvine.com
2013-06-30 08:35:57 PM  
1 vote:

mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.


So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.
2013-06-30 08:21:36 PM  
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Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.
2013-06-30 08:15:59 PM  
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Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.


So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.
2013-06-30 06:44:46 PM  
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Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


THIS.
2013-06-30 02:53:32 PM  
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Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.
2013-06-30 01:54:27 PM  
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That version of Superman your grandparents grew up with?  Gone for 30 years, and the fans were relieved as all hell.


At least they didn't do the emo-vegetarian version.
2013-06-30 12:46:05 PM  
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cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.  Very.  Worrying.

It's stayed in the top 5, but the # of theaters it's been showed in has dropped.  Not exactly inspiring confidence.
2013-06-30 12:12:09 PM  
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cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.


10/10 - that will get tons of bites
2013-06-30 11:23:20 AM  
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Ohhhhhhhhh this is gonna be a well-reasoned out thread.

/gets popcorn
//and the baseball bats
 
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