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2013-07-01 08:33:34 AM

ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites


hahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-07-01 08:45:12 AM
The only real problem with it is that its SO unsatisfying to watch two people who can't really hurt each other just beating on one another for 15 minutes, which happens at least twice in the movie.  Really what they should have done is make it take a while for the Kryptonian bodies to store up a charge from the yellow sun.  Let Supes crap all over them in the initial confrontation, and then make them stronger in the next battle with him fighting like 3 of their elite soldiers.  Have Zod go out into space wearing a space suit for a while when he realizes this to  build himself up to almost equal and let him outfight the guy who has LITERALLY NEVER THROWN A PUNCH BEFORE to make up for the rest of it.

It would've been a lot more watchable if Superman could beat the lame Kryptonians into the ground 1-on-1 and they had to swarm him
 
2013-07-01 08:45:38 AM

Trocadero: The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.


He's not a human, so you have it backwards.
 
2013-07-01 08:47:47 AM

soporific: I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.


This sounds extremely logical.
 
2013-07-01 09:05:30 AM
Fark what that movie did to Superman I'll never forgive what it did to Robin Hood daddy number 2 Johnathan Kent. Maybe you let the people die? Fark you!
 
2013-07-01 09:29:17 AM

Mind of the North Star: Superman was good. My only complaint was the pacing in the second half of the movie. Michael Shannon was good, but not epic.

No where near as boring as Iron Man sequels, Thor, or Captain America


I enjoyed every one of those.
 
2013-07-01 09:49:28 AM

Popcorn Johnny: I hope they bring back Faora for the sequel, she was a better villain that Zod. Remember, we never actually saw her die.


It's a comic book movie we don't need a reason. Just make it happen!

and make her grow her hair out a little.....


or not, not a deal breaker.
 
2013-07-01 10:09:21 AM
Does anyone have any desire to watch any of Zack Snyder's films ever again? No, they're terrible. When you see 'Directed by Zack Snyder', you should know by now the movie will suck.
 
2013-07-01 10:21:45 AM

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?

Why don't you walk me through these signs that this new take could go downhill fast, as you put it?


How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

I mean, they really couldn't have paraphrased/quoted the scene in "S:TM" where Supes stops the missile heading for NJ, turns his head and looks on in shock as the other missile detonates on the San Andreas Fault?  You mean to tell me that they couldn't do the same thing to explain how Pa Kent dies?!  Really, Clark gets stopped by Jonathan from saving him?! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!

I just shook my head and walked out the door.  Donner's script (of all things) could've fixed that in one shot.

Sorry, but I can't buy that.
 
2013-07-01 10:23:40 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

Nobody remembers what happened to Max Lord?

/ yeah, a different DC character was involved in that incident....


And as I've stated before, had WW killed someone, it would've been believable.
 
2013-07-01 10:27:50 AM

bbfreak: 3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>


That's what didn't piss me off...what pissed me off was that his dad didn't want to be saved!  I mean, go ahead, quote Donner and say that while Clark is saving the mom and kid, Jonathan saves the dog but the tornado veers right into their path, the dog runs away but Jonathan is swept up.  Clark turns and sees what happened in horror, goes right into the tornado funnel, gets his dad out...but it's too late and he dies anyway.

That would've been believable.
 
2013-07-01 10:38:31 AM
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2013-07-01 11:20:29 AM

Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?


So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.
 
2013-07-01 11:22:56 AM

Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.


Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.
 
2013-07-01 11:31:48 AM

Rwa2play: Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.

Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.


That scene was a bit drawn out.. and you left the theater?  That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.
 
2013-07-01 11:34:05 AM

Alphax: Rwa2play: Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.

Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.

That scene was a bit drawn out.. and you left the theater?  That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.


Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!
 
2013-07-01 11:48:28 AM

Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.


So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.
 
2013-07-01 11:49:31 AM

Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.


break the wrist and walk away
 
2013-07-01 11:50:11 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.


For Fark threads, yeah.  Doing that for a movie, you really undermine yourself.
 
2013-07-01 11:51:07 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.


This.
 
2013-07-01 11:52:12 AM

Alphax: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.

For Fark threads, yeah.  Doing that for a movie, you really undermine yourself.


To be fair, I was in a bad mood when I started watching it so...any little thing would've ticked me off.  I have those days.
 
2013-07-01 11:53:10 AM

Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!


Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.

That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?
 
2013-07-01 11:59:07 AM

RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?


Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.
 
2013-07-01 12:01:22 PM

RyansPrivates: Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!

Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.


Yeah well...that part about Pa telling Clark he should've let the kids die started the downhill path for me.  I mean, really Jonathan, you don't want the world to know about how the kid could lift a bus back on the road but you want to scar the kid's psyche for life?  WTF?
 
2013-07-01 12:04:32 PM

Shadowknight: RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?

Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.


Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.
 
2013-07-01 12:09:44 PM

Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!

Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.

Yeah well...that part about Pa telling Clark he should've let the kids die started the downhill path for me.  I mean, really Jonathan, you don't want the world to know about how the kid could lift a bus back on the road but you want to scar the kid's psyche for life?  WTF?


Also:  if Clark moving the bus back wasn't going to draw a crowd at that point, then him saving his dad from the tornado wouldn't have move the needle either.
 
2013-07-01 12:47:14 PM

Rwa2play: Also:  if Clark moving the bus back wasn't going to draw a crowd at that point, then him saving his dad from the tornado wouldn't have move the needle either.


The only person who witnessed what Clark did with the bus was a kid and could be easily dismissed as them having a wild imagination. A group of adults witnessing Clark saving his father from a raging tornado would have blown his cover once and for all. I agree that the death of his father could have been handled a lot better, but Pa Kent's motivation for having Clark stay put made sense, given his fear of what would happen if the world found the truth about his son.
 
2013-07-01 12:58:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: The only person who witnessed what Clark did with the bus was a kid and could be easily dismissed as them having a wild imagination. A group of adults witnessing Clark saving his father from a raging tornado would have blown his cover once and for all. I agree that the death of his father could have been handled a lot better, but Pa Kent's motivation for having Clark stay put made sense, given his fear of what would happen if the world found the truth about his son.


I agree if the condition of Pa Kent being in danger by tornado is true.  The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with. Don't save the dog.  Most other normal families would have said "well that really sucks, fluffy is going to die, but at least we are safe*".  But for some reason Pa Kent went out there to save the damn dog.   I don't buy the reasoning that Clark would have done it if he didn't.  So Clark cares more for the dog than he cares for his father (i.e. he would save the dog but wouldn't do the same for his dad, in both cases against his fathers wishes)?

*as if hiding under a overpass was safe

/Dog owner
//Still wouldn't save my dog at the risk to my own life, causing loss to my family
///Enjoyed MoS for the most part.
 
2013-07-01 01:07:26 PM

RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.


I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.
 
2013-07-01 01:10:15 PM
Wy didn't Krypto just fly away from the tornado?
 
2013-07-01 01:10:51 PM

Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.


This.
 
2013-07-01 01:16:19 PM

Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.


Yep.  Bad Motivation --> Bad conflict --> Bad resolution.    If the motivation was something more realistic, like someone's kid with a leg caught, it would have had essentially the same conflict and resolution but a much better scene.
 
2013-07-01 01:18:14 PM
MoS saved the Superman character from oblivion.  I hated the last bunch of movies and couldn't give a shiat less about him.  I expected this movie to be another retarded gimp shuffling down the hallway.

But then the PR machine started up and the trailers started coming out.  My kids begged me to go, and we loved the movie.  They're interested in the character and want MoS 2 to come out RIGHT NOW.

Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them.  I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.
 
2013-07-01 02:08:56 PM

Rwa2play: Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.

This.


Rumor mill says this was originally planned but didn't test screen well

fickenchucker: Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them. I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.


Agreed, like it or love it. This was what the franchise needed.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:45 PM
Rwa2play:

Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.

Yeah, I agree, it was a little weird.  I mean, why WOULDN'T Clark just disobey him and go save him?  I know I would have.  But I suppose after their "You're not even my father" argument, he wanted to show his dad that he trusted him, even against all sense.  And his dad showed a lot of times that he was willing to protect his son against all sense or at any cost of human life.  I suppose that would include him too.

A bit of a rationalization, yes, but it worked for me.
 
2013-07-01 04:32:48 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Rwa2play: Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.

This.

Rumor mill says this was originally planned but didn't test screen well

fickenchucker: Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them. I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.

Agreed, like it or love it. This was what the franchise needed.


Superman needed to get away from the Donner paradigm ASAP and get a reboot.  I'll argue against the direction they did take with this movie; you could've been realistic without copying off of Nolan's Batman.
 
2013-07-01 04:40:43 PM

Shadowknight: Rwa2play:

Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.

Yeah, I agree, it was a little weird.  I mean, why WOULDN'T Clark just disobey him and go save him?  I know I would have.  But I suppose after their "You're not even my father" argument, he wanted to show his dad that he trusted him, even against all sense.  And his dad showed a lot of times that he was willing to protect his son against all sense or at any cost of human life.  I suppose that would include him too.

A bit of a rationalization, yes, but it worked for me.


As I said, I think it would've worked out better if the tornado was heading Jonathan's way and he had no escape.  As soon as Clark made sure everybody else was safe, he turns only to find that he sees Jonathan swept up in the funnel.

That would've been more realistic in offing Pa Kent.
 
2013-07-01 06:44:16 PM

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Likewise. I respect the hell out of the Donner era, but it's over and it's time for a new take.
 
2013-07-01 08:20:37 PM

Alphax: Trocadero: The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.

He's not a human, so you have it backwards.


Correct, he's not a human. However, the best Superman stories are about Clark Kent. Even "For the Man Who Has Everything" you could see it as a story about Clark Kent living on Krypton.
 
2013-07-01 08:32:41 PM

Shadowknight: RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?

Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.


Yeah, and it was farking stupid.  Pa Kent actually suggested that maybe he should have let the kids die so as to preserve his secret.  I wanted to stand up in the movie theater and scream "Uh NO!  How about fark NO?"

Stupidest movie ever.
 
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