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2013-06-30 10:51:01 PM

Zombie DJ: I hated it. JUST like DC's new 52, it had no heart.
Action, action, action, fark character development, action, dark, destruction!
The only people I know who liked it, weren't alive to see Superman 1 and 2, so there you go
Superman for a new generation. A destructive dick.


Since it's a DC Entertainment movie, I just automatically expect it to suck.

That's generally all they're capable of.
 
2013-06-30 10:51:29 PM

Bith Set Me Up: Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.

So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.


Besides with Wonder Woman: It's Lynda Carter as WW looking hot and being awesome.  'nuff said, bub~!
 
2013-06-30 10:52:16 PM

Gleeman: but from what some people have been saying it's not just a 'take some random super hero and slap the Superman label on it' film then?


No, of course not.  It's Csino Royale in that Superman doesn't know he's Superman until he's more of less forced to be.
Bond wasn't bond yet.  It was an origin.  And over the course of the movie, and the 2nd, he grew into the Bond we remember, or at least closer to the Bond we remember, by Skyfall (with the humor and the class)

This is a raw, unpolished Superman who didn't realize what he was fully capable of until he was pushed.
Yeah, he saved a busload of kids and knew he was strong.  But he's a "kid" who didn't think about his actions having such major consequences.

he doesn't have his boy scout rules yet because he wasn't aware he needed them.    NOW he knows.

Word War Z, like I said, may be a fine movie on it's own, but it's not even CLOSE to the book.  Right down to the type of zombie.  It's simply a zombie movie with the same name as a book.
 
2013-06-30 10:56:35 PM

Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.


This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.
 
2013-06-30 10:57:14 PM

Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.


Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?
 
2013-06-30 10:57:20 PM

89 Stick-Up Kid: I thought Doomsday killed Superman?


He was only "mostly dead." I kid you not.

/World's worst mash-up movies presents: The Man of Steel Magnolias.
 
2013-06-30 10:58:14 PM

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?


The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?
 
2013-06-30 11:00:15 PM

Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?


Also:  Didya see comments in his clip?  When a non-fan who still knows the Superman origin goes and says "That's not Superman" after watching the movie, that's...dangerous.
 
2013-06-30 11:05:04 PM

Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?


Why don't you walk me through these signs that this new take could go downhill fast, as you put it?
 
2013-06-30 11:07:51 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: He was only "mostly dead." I kid you not.


I thought the Eradicator told him he was "categorically deceased."
 
2013-06-30 11:10:09 PM
i39.tinypic.com

Nice design, Kryptonians.
 
2013-06-30 11:13:38 PM
Superman killed Zod in Supes 2 and in the comics. People who are biatching about that don't know about the character they think they are defending.
 
2013-06-30 11:14:33 PM
That's still a website?
 
2013-06-30 11:22:20 PM

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Superman killed Nuclear Man (the Superman / Luthor hybrid clone) in Superman IV by shoving him into a nuclear reactor.
 
2013-06-30 11:22:57 PM

GungFu: Nice design, Kryptonians.


Yeah, I thought the dildo-pods were an odd design choice.
 
2013-06-30 11:27:42 PM
img2.timeinc.net


I'm sorry, what was the problem again?
 
2013-06-30 11:29:09 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaah. Reread the comics again if you care that much.
 
2013-06-30 11:30:44 PM

VaportrailFilms: [img2.timeinc.net image 612x380]


I'm sorry, what was the problem again?


Photographic evidence that Superman was the reason that 7 World Trade Center collapsed.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:24 PM

perigee: cape


perigee: Infernalist: perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.

Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.

The problem is, there are Very Few actual capes in Superhero-dom; Batman and Superman being the only continuing examples of it. The rest copped their styles from the originals, and none but Superman wear a red cape.


daily.captaindash.com
 
2013-06-30 11:40:21 PM

soporific: I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.


That's the one biggest issue I had with the movie. If the next movie shows his remorse and struggle with the events of this movie then as a whole it will be fine. But sequels tend to leave stuff like that out and just want to move on to whatever plot they have for the movie.

It still doesn't make much sense that Superman only got upset enough to kill Zod when he was about to kill three people and not the hundreds of thousands to millions he had already killed. If the next film shows Superman struggling in his Fortress of Solitude weighing decisions to help the world again at the expense of potentially killing others then it will be a good continuation of the story.
 
2013-06-30 11:47:52 PM
My only gripe is that they should have dispensed with the secret identity all together.  By the end of the movie, pretty much everyone should have known that Superman was Clark Kent, though I do like the end joke of a spunky reporter with a flashlight figuring out who he is but the government with billions of dollars at its disposal can't.  I mean, he outright told them he was raised in Kansas.  He's not a douchebag so that rules out Johnson County and Lawrence.  Take those places away and there's only about a hundred people left in the state.
 
2013-07-01 12:07:59 AM

Mentat: My only gripe is that they should have dispensed with the secret identity all together.  By the end of the movie, pretty much everyone should have known that Superman was Clark Kent, though I do like the end joke of a spunky reporter with a flashlight figuring out who he is but the government with billions of dollars at its disposal can't.  I mean, he outright told them he was raised in Kansas.  He's not a douchebag so that rules out Johnson County and Lawrence.  Take those places away and there's only about a hundred people left in the state.


Also, Lois led the cops to the Kent farm in time to see Clark in full costume, so any idiot could put two and two together with enough digging.
 
2013-07-01 12:16:42 AM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.


I don't know. I found that scene to be very satisfying.
 
2013-07-01 12:23:17 AM
The whole point of the secret identity is the thing this movie totally ignored, to its detriment. Superman is Clark Kent, a Kansas farm kid who has crazy awesome super powers b/c he's an alien. This movie is about the space alien Kal-El, trying to figure out about humans and how to fit in w/ them. It makes it hard to get empathy though. The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.

Oh, and the zoom ins/outs were atrocious. Hold your shots, you hacks.
 
2013-07-01 12:26:08 AM
I had no problems with the plot choices they made and I was fine with a more serious take on the character. That said, this movie was farking BORING. This movie spent so much time trying to set and maintain a solemn tone they absolutely lost my interest. I'm fine with serious subject matter, but even the most serious movies give you a reason to crack a smile once in a while. The fight scenes we the same thing over and over. If you get off on someone being thrown through six buildings at a time, that's great, since you see it happen about ten times. And I get that he's a childhood freak with a paranoid father who screws with his head, but you simply can't tell me that being a super-powered child isn't fun at least some of the time.

I kept seeing aspects of the movie that I liked (new Kryptonian imagery was cool, Cavill looks the part, Crowe did a good job as Jor-El), but overall, it was a big, boring disappointment. I was not entertained and was relieved when it ended.
 
2013-07-01 12:27:10 AM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.


Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?
 
2013-07-01 12:29:16 AM

AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?


In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.
 
2013-07-01 12:33:37 AM

Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.


I don't know what's "cannon", but I remember in the theatrical release, Supes goes into this chamber so he would get zapped and all his super powers would be erased.  Instead, he was protected and the Kryptonians outside the chamber lost their powers instead.  All 3 of the Kryptonians fell into this chasm which I assume was to their death because they no longer had super powers.

I'm not aware of the Donner cut of which you speak.
 
2013-07-01 12:35:04 AM

Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.


In the old TV cut of Superman II, it shows the arctic police arresting Zod and his goons outside of the Fortress of Solitude.

When I was a kid and watched it on VHS, I never thought Supes killed Zod or those guys. I assumed he put them in holding cells somewhere in the Fortress of Solitude and then flew them off to the authorities later on off camera. Nothing about the tone of that scene or the Superman in that movie said, "I'm straight up killing these guys to my own theme song."
 
2013-07-01 12:41:54 AM

Sgt Otter: I wasn't thrilled with their interpretation of Superman, but I was entertained.

In my head, Superman is a big blue Boy Scout saving people, and charming everybody's pants off.  Not a near-mute engine of collateral damage.

/I really liked Jor-El and Faora.  Wasn't impressed with the new General Zod.


New Zod looked like Bill Hader with muscles. If only Bill Hader hadn't left SNL...
 
2013-07-01 12:57:04 AM

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Nobody remembers what happened to Max Lord?

/ yeah, a different DC character was involved in that incident....
 
2013-07-01 01:08:18 AM

AeAe: Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.

I don't know what's "cannon", but I remember in the theatrical release, Supes goes into this chamber so he would get zapped and all his super powers would be erased.  Instead, he was protected and the Kryptonians outside the chamber lost their powers instead.  All 3 of the Kryptonians fell into this chasm which I assume was to their death because they no longer had super powers.

I'm not aware of the Donner cut of which you speak.


The Donner Cut was how the movie was intended to be edited, but Richard Donner was fired half-way through and the idiot producers hacked up the rest of the movie.  That's why you have the magic cellophane S and the amnesia kiss.
 
2013-07-01 01:08:19 AM
I loved the first half of the movie.  Told the back story well and I was invested emotionally.

The second half sucked kyrptonite laced nuts. It turned into end fight of "The Matrix Revolutions" just with more product placement.  Superman gets thrown through a Sears, fights in an IHOP and blows up a 7-11.  Then he drinks a capri sun and shaves with Gillette.  I understand that he is Superman, but the invincible thing gets boring when you're trying to create drama.  Pretty Much John Cena in a cape.
 
2013-07-01 01:10:24 AM

Master of the Flying Guillotine: Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.

In the old TV cut of Superman II, it shows the arctic police arresting Zod and his goons outside of the Fortress of Solitude.

When I was a kid and watched it on VHS, I never thought Supes killed Zod or those guys. I assumed he put them in holding cells somewhere in the Fortress of Solitude and then flew them off to the authorities later on off camera. Nothing about the tone of that scene or the Superman in that movie said, "I'm straight up killing these guys to my own theme song."


He takes away their powers and throws them down a pit in the Fortress of Solitude.  They're dead, Jim.

Max Landis makes a good point about the new film that Superman wouldn't really hesitate to kill Zod and the other Kryptonians given their intent to destroy the Earth.  He doesn't kill humans because he's like an adult among children, but Zod is another adult so killing him isn't a moral quandry, particularly when the lives of other children are at stake.  He disliked the film because he felt Superman wouldn't engage in a battle that would cause so much destruction and death.  Where I disagree with him is that I don't believe he had the ability to choose the battleground and I also think that he wanted to find some way to save Zod and the others so that he would have some connection to his home planet restored.
 
2013-07-01 01:17:08 AM

Rwa2play: The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.


Citation needed.
 
2013-07-01 01:50:52 AM
I'm surprised by how many Superman experts have come out of the woodwork when for years I thought general consensus was that he sucks and is lame. MoS sure is polarizing, regardless. I thought it had its flaws, but hardly the worst. No worse than most of Marvel's offerings.

I think a Justice League movie is a mistake in the short term. WB can easily make a bunch of money with that Batman/Superman movie they wanted a decade ago. So trout out a new Batman, Superman sequel, and then World's Finest. Justice League can follow that.
 
2013-07-01 02:23:52 AM
I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:06 AM

bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.


You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.
 
2013-07-01 02:39:43 AM
I was completely sold on the movie up until the final battle with Zod. It had some pacing issues and I really didn't care for Johnathan Kent's reasoning ability, but it was fairly good for a retread of an origin story that almost the entire human race is aware of.

But that last battle. Just...geez. I was cool with the Battle of Smallville. Supe's had never used his powers against someone who could hit back. He also loves his mom. shiat happens. I even accepted that a lot of people died during that gravity machine's initial landing. Supe's can't be in two places at once.

But duking it out with Zod across a city with a population presumably in the milions? The real Superman would've put Zod in a full nelson at the earliest opportunity and rocketed them off into space. Or at least to a convenient empty wasteland. At the very least he would have stupidly paid more attention to getting humans out of harms way than he would have fighting Zod. It's a fault of his. But that's what makes him who he is.

I'll see the sequel, and probably enjoy it, but I really hope they address some of these complaints..
 
2013-07-01 02:42:20 AM

Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.


Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:57 AM

bbfreak: Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.

Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.


Wait, why wouldn't Clark Kent have a social security number?

No matter what, the Kents would have had to adopt him, he would be in the system...

And as for Superman... Why would he need a job?
 
2013-07-01 03:02:07 AM

FirstNationalBastard: bbfreak: Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.

Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.

Wait, why wouldn't Clark Kent have a social security number?

No matter what, the Kents would have had to adopt him, he would be in the ...


Eh. honestly that wasn't my biggest problem with the film point  6, but you generally need to go to a doctor before you can be made a citizen. Especially if you're a kid. Shots, etc.
 
2013-07-01 03:03:34 AM
Superman was good. My only complaint was the pacing in the second half of the movie. Michael Shannon was good, but not epic.

No where near as boring as Iron Man sequels, Thor, or Captain America
 
2013-07-01 03:04:01 AM

Esroc: I was completely sold on the movie up until the final battle with Zod. It had some pacing issues and I really didn't care for Johnathan Kent's reasoning ability, but it was fairly good for a retread of an origin story that almost the entire human race is aware of.

But that last battle. Just...geez. I was cool with the Battle of Smallville. Supe's had never used his powers against someone who could hit back. He also loves his mom. shiat happens. I even accepted that a lot of people died during that gravity machine's initial landing. Supe's can't be in two places at once.

But duking it out with Zod across a city with a population presumably in the milions? The real Superman would've put Zod in a full nelson at the earliest opportunity and rocketed them off into space. Or at least to a convenient empty wasteland. At the very least he would have stupidly paid more attention to getting humans out of harms way than he would have fighting Zod. It's a fault of his. But that's what makes him who he is.

I'll see the sequel, and probably enjoy it, but I really hope they address some of these complaints..


If they don't address the obvious death and destruction that Superman helped inflict, even if involuntarily, then I'll throw up my hands and give upon WB's ability to craft a good Superhero movie.
 
2013-07-01 03:16:53 AM
I finally saw it tonight.  My entire theater burst into applause at the end.
 
2013-07-01 03:29:28 AM

PacificaFitz: I dont get the negative reactions.


The movie lacked the most important ingredient in any super hero film:  Fun
Some of it was very cool, don't get me wrong... It just wasn't very much fun.  That, and the excessive number of times people were thrown through buildings are the reasons I thought it wasn't successful.
 
2013-07-01 06:09:29 AM

perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.


He's pretending to be Captain Marvel Jr.
 
2013-07-01 07:22:59 AM
Jor- El calling his dragon to fly him home.

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2013-07-01 07:53:37 AM

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.

But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.


So you're saying it's only Superman if it sucks?
 
2013-07-01 08:08:18 AM
I hope they bring back Faora for the sequel, she was a better villain that Zod. Remember, we never actually saw her die.
 
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