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(The Motley Fool)   How Zack Snyder destroyed Superman   (fool.com) divider line 189
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2013-06-30 11:23:20 AM  
Ohhhhhhhhh this is gonna be a well-reasoned out thread.

/gets popcorn
//and the baseball bats
 
2013-06-30 11:38:28 AM  
Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.
 
2013-06-30 11:39:36 AM  
So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?
 
2013-06-30 12:12:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.


10/10 - that will get tons of bites
 
2013-06-30 12:15:13 PM  

ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites


The best part is, I'm not even trolling.
 
2013-06-30 12:19:06 PM  
Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).
 
2013-06-30 12:46:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.  Very.  Worrying.

It's stayed in the top 5, but the # of theaters it's been showed in has dropped.  Not exactly inspiring confidence.
 
2013-06-30 01:10:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


Those movies were fantastic...
 
2013-06-30 01:28:25 PM  
They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.
 
2013-06-30 01:43:02 PM  

Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.


Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.
 
2013-06-30 01:54:27 PM  
That version of Superman your grandparents grew up with?  Gone for 30 years, and the fans were relieved as all hell.


At least they didn't do the emo-vegetarian version.
 
2013-06-30 02:53:32 PM  
Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.
 
2013-06-30 04:37:52 PM  

clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...


No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.
 
2013-06-30 04:47:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...

No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.


Gotta admit, Christian Bale talking as he had gargled razor blades as Batman is a low-spot of sorts.
 
2013-06-30 06:44:46 PM  

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


THIS.
 
2013-06-30 06:48:51 PM  
I wasn't thrilled with their interpretation of Superman, but I was entertained.

In my head, Superman is a big blue Boy Scout saving people, and charming everybody's pants off.  Not a near-mute engine of collateral damage.

/I really liked Jor-El and Faora.  Wasn't impressed with the new General Zod.
 
2013-06-30 07:06:03 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


I have. Superman II. And in the comics.
 
2013-06-30 07:52:58 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 08:15:59 PM  

Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.


So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.
 
2013-06-30 08:19:53 PM  
Snyder's Superman film didn't involve yet another Lex Luthor land scheme or a flying-around-the-world-in-reverse scene. It was fun and satisfying and laid the groundwork for a decent series.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:34 PM  
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Yeah Man of Steel was awful. We needed more polar bears, giant spiders, and a living super suit. At least he wouldn't have KILLED anyone and stained the legacy of such an icon.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:36 PM  
Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:52 PM  

DoomPaul: So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?


It's not really a laser is it. More along the lines of a cloud or beam that disintegrates Kryptonians. I don't remember their weapons punching holes in their ship, do you?
 
2013-06-30 08:25:25 PM  

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Same here. Great movie, despite it being a Superman movie.
 
2013-06-30 08:32:17 PM  
The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.
 
2013-06-30 08:34:58 PM  

DoomPaul: So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?


I've seen the movie twice and I don't recall Lois getting hit with one of the lasers, I'll see it a third time to see that.  I do remember that she was struck by the robot tentacles that was protecting the scout ship.  And as far as the Black holes gravity not taking her in Superman flew up and caught her, then struggled as he was trying to get away from the pull of the gravity.  It is amazing that you caught the scene that she got hit with a blaster and I missed it but you miss the whole Superman saving the day and I catch that.
 
2013-06-30 08:35:57 PM  

mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.


So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.
 
2013-06-30 08:35:57 PM  

Detriment: [www.blogcdn.com image 450x338]
Yeah Man of Steel was awful. We needed more polar bears, giant spiders, and a living super suit. At least he wouldn't have KILLED anyone and stained the legacy of such an icon.


Don't forget the butler in the Fortress of Solitude.

Seriously tho, the wife and I watched it on Friday.  It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.  It was okay in Serenity because it wasn't too overused.  Doing it in every scene?  You're going to wind up with upchucked popcorn on the floor.

Star Trek had such extreme closeups you could tell what pores on Chris Pine's face were clogged.

/saw both in IMAX, but still....
 
2013-06-30 08:37:45 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Comics, Superman killed the alternate universe Zod for the genocide of that universes Earth.  An act that destroyed Superman emotionally for a long time.  Just like when in the movie he snapped Zods neck he screamed out in what was almost pain.
 
2013-06-30 08:40:40 PM  
fanboys are going to be butthurt NO MATTER WHAT. unbind your panties, and meet some members of the opposite gender without being a creeper.
 
2013-06-30 08:41:14 PM  

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.


No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.
 
2013-06-30 08:41:17 PM  

enry: It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.


THIS. It's a piss poor director who doesn't know when NOT to use camera motion gimmicks. In the intimate scenes (talking to Mom on the porch, etc.) the camera was moving around like some reality show camera crew, instead of stationary as it should have been to give the audience the necessary 'fly on the wall' perspective intimated scenes require.
 
2013-06-30 08:43:40 PM  

PacificaFitz: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

Comics, Superman killed the alternate universe Zod for the genocide of that universes Earth.  An act that destroyed Superman emotionally for a long time.  Just like when in the movie he snapped Zods neck he screamed out in what was almost pain.


People seeing the world through the rose colored glasses of childhood memory seem to forget things:

static.comicvine.com
 
2013-06-30 08:44:18 PM  

mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.


But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.
 
2013-06-30 08:46:17 PM  
By making him entertaining?
 
2013-06-30 08:46:26 PM  
The film was as good as zack could make it, the man is extremely limited as a director. speaking of direction, someone edit the fark out this film, it doesnt need to be lotr length, it should clock in around 90 minutes. Almost every scene dragged on several seconds too long, yes we get it you spent a lot of money on this but we dont need to see every rendered second of it.

Overall it was a decent reboot of the franchise, and gave us the origin story and zod, and several nods of the comics. If they can somehow make it through a second film without a luthor real estate scheme I'd say they are exceeding my low expectations.

/id still like an apology for green lantern
 
2013-06-30 08:46:27 PM  
Yeah, how awful.

Even worse, this movie is the ONLY MEDIUM in which the character is depicted. No other movies, no novels, animated features, comic books, video games, etc.

Jus this ONE movie. And it ruined everything. FOREVER.
 
2013-06-30 08:48:16 PM  
I dont get the negative reactions.  Any true Superman fan will tell you that he had to learn to discipline each and every "power" he has.  In this movie they don't show Superman as a sentinel being that is perfect in every way. He learns his destiny right as the villains show up.  And these weren't just your "Lex Luthor" type villains, these were super powered bad guys hell bent on destroying Earth as a punishment to Kal El for something Jor El did. Zod is a General.  He was bred to protect Kryptonian heritage at all cost, and he was more than willing to destroy all of Earth to do it.  People act like Superman CHOSE to have the fight in the streets of Smallville, or the streets of Metropolis.  Zod gave him no choice.  If Superman had b-lined it to the desert in hope that Zod would chase him Zod would have just started killing everyone in sight.  Zod chose to take the fight to Metropolis.  Zod chose to give Superman the chose of letting an innocent family die or kill Zod.  This movie rocked, and all the bs reasons people are coming up with that it doesn't is just that, BS.


My rant is over, dissect me please.
 
2013-06-30 08:49:35 PM  

Kyosuke: enry: It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.

THIS. It's a piss poor director who doesn't know when NOT to use camera motion gimmicks. In the intimate scenes (talking to Mom on the porch, etc.) the camera was moving around like some reality show camera crew, instead of stationary as it should have been to give the audience the necessary 'fly on the wall' perspective intimated scenes require.


second this, saw it the second time and this really annoyed me.
 
2013-06-30 08:50:18 PM  
"How hyperbolic headlines bring more traffic to my shiatty blog".


FTFY.
 
2013-06-30 08:52:20 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


So this is your first exposure to Superman? He's killed countless people in the comics.
 
2013-06-30 08:53:45 PM  
I know it's not canon, or at least it's not canon the way the movies aren't canon to the comics, but Clark killed villains on Smallville.

Or at least one, Titan.  I forget the season but I'm sure you could Google "Smallville" and "Titan" and find it.
And no one cried about that!!

Man of Steel was fantastic.
 
2013-06-30 08:56:45 PM  
It was Boring.
 
2013-06-30 08:57:18 PM  
Superman: the comic character every 3 year old creates and then is disappointed to find out they were beaten to the punch
 
2013-06-30 09:00:27 PM  
Did anybody else catch the split second cameo of Christopher Reeve in Man of Steel? I knew I saw it and it's been confirmed now.

Link
 
2013-06-30 09:00:30 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Won't Zod come back to life after he is exposed to the yellow sun? Like superman?
 
2013-06-30 09:01:50 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Snyder's Superman film didn't involve yet another Lex Luthor land scheme or a flying-around-the-world-in-reverse scene. It was fun and satisfying and laid the groundwork for a decent series.


Yet it involved Zod's land scheme (terraforming is land scheme).

At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.
 
2013-06-30 09:02:09 PM  
I thought Doomsday killed Superman?
 
2013-06-30 09:04:47 PM  
Loved the Batman movies (although I thought the last one was the weakest of the three) but I really hated Man of Steel.  In fact, I hated it the more I thought about it.  Don't blame DC for wanting to go in a different direction, but I just think that direction was wrong.
 
2013-06-30 09:07:49 PM  
MoS is a lot like The Phantom Menace: The character development is crap and the script is pedestrian at best, but it had a HECK of a lightsaber fight, so the movie will rake in millions.
 
2013-06-30 09:08:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


You know what's a good movie?  Transformers:  Dark Side of the Moon
 
2013-06-30 09:10:49 PM  
I just don't see the sequel to this doing well. Too many people have already said they won't watch any movie with this version of superman. That doesn't bode well for the justice league film.
 
2013-06-30 09:11:37 PM  

mr0x: At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.


That's one of my biggest annoyances with the old movies.  Just made powers up with no concern for canon.  I know Donner likely had nothing to do with the flying cellophane uniform S, but MAN that just pissed me off.
 
2013-06-30 09:11:45 PM  

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.

But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.


It was Superman, it just wasn't written by a 6 year old. You'll get over it.
 
2013-06-30 09:13:39 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.


Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.
 
2013-06-30 09:15:22 PM  

mongbiohazard: it just wasn't written by a 6 year old.


You're right, it was written by someone who lacked the creativity to come up with their own characters and backstory to go with the fight scene they already had in their head.
 
2013-06-30 09:17:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Did anybody else catch the split second cameo of Christopher Reeve in Man of Steel? I knew I saw it and it's been confirmed now.

Link


"Confirmed"? Were we reading the same article? [princessbride.jpg]
 
2013-06-30 09:18:13 PM  

mongbiohazard: It was Superman, it just wasn't written by a 6 year old. You'll get over it.


Most people will, by not seeing the sequel or justice league film. This is not going to go well for DC. First Green Lantern and now this. I am not hopeful for Aquaman.
 
2013-06-30 09:19:25 PM  
I don't get all the hate saying "this isn't Superman".  If you read comics with any regularly (even DC), you will see there are multiple interpretations of the character even within DC.   Sure, I would have preferred "All-Star Superman" version of Kal-el.  I would have also liked a JLU version.  But I didn't get that.  I also didn't get the version of Batman, Spiderman (either incarnation) or Thor I really wanted either.  Captain America was pretty good. Iron Man was spot on for my tastes (though I think IM3 wasn't as good as I would have liked)

That being said, I enjoyed the heck out of the Nolan Batman movies in spite of the shortcomings (i.e. I didn't like the interpretation of the Joker or Bane, but I thought the Ra's/Talia Al Gul story arc was fantastic)

Man of Steel for me was better than Thor and Spiderman movies, about as good as Captain America, but not as good as Batman, Iron Man or the Avengers.  It was a damn site better than Singer's "Lex is a real-estate magnate, yet again and Superman is all emo-y" attempt.

So in other words a middling-good attempt, with some flaws that opens up a few good story arcs to explore.
 
2013-06-30 09:19:54 PM  

The Banana Thug: "Confirmed"? Were we reading the same article? [princessbride.jpg]


I noticed it when I saw MoS on opening night, but thought I was nuts. Now that everyone else is noticing it as well, that's confirmation.
 
2013-06-30 09:21:44 PM  

FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.


Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.
 
2013-06-30 09:22:50 PM  

Cheater71: I just don't see the sequel to this doing well. Too many people have already said they won't watch any movie with this version of superman. That doesn't bode well for the justice league film.


I think plenty of people have said they would.  You know, with it making tons of money.  I am just as geeky as any when it comes to this stuff, but we all know nerds like us tend to over-blow our reactions to things.  Right now, I think the movie is making plenty enough money that a sequel will happen.  And you tell the world that Batman is finally going face to face with Superman, every single person that said "worst Superman EVER" will line up around the corner to give them their money.

And don't even try to deny it.
 
2013-06-30 09:25:07 PM  
I liked it.  It really seemed to grasp the conflict that the protagonist struggled with.  Here was a guy who just wanted to be a normal guy, but was gifted with these great powers.  And while all he wanted to do was help people with them, he was ingrained with this need to keep himself secret from the world, thanks to his father.  Or one of them, I should say.

One father only wanted to keep him safe, hidden away from the world which might want to hurt him.  And that included giving up his own life rather than let his son be seen saving him from a tornado.

His other father wanted him to stand in the bright sun and be a shining example to humanity.  To be seen by everyone and be an encouragement to them, to coax the rest of the world up to where he was.

And yes, the scene where he kills Zod shocked me.  But I realized after the fact that having to kill the man might well form the basis for his adherence to avoiding killing people if at all possible.

What better way for him to establish that hard life-rule than sitting there, looking at what he's done and going "Okay, never doing that again."

As to whom he's killed within canon: Doomsday, Zod, Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor.  All big bad guys who want little more than to murder mass numbers of people.

Kinda like Zod in MoS.

Something to think about.
 
2013-06-30 09:26:01 PM  
If anyone has read the comics you would know Superman was always kind of a dick.  He's not the super sweet boy scout he's stereotyped as.
Yes, he is more than Batman.
But he's also hung a few criminals over buildings to get them to confess.

And in Man of Steel you have to assume this is the first time you've EVER heard of this character.  You can't apply your old preconceived notions of Superman to him.

He doesn't have his "rules" yet because this is his first outing.

He now knows what mistakes he's made and now he can say "Whoa, I ain't NEVER killing again!"

/the only mistake this movie made was not giving him a memorable theme song
 
2013-06-30 09:27:57 PM  

alwaysjaded: FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.


Other movies too, like The Amazing Spider-Man. Peter was taking down muggers and other petty criminals, but, as Captain Stacy pointed out, he was actually interfering with the police and their plans for taking down more dangerous criminals.
 
2013-06-30 09:28:48 PM  

Shadowknight: Cheater71: I just don't see the sequel to this doing well. Too many people have already said they won't watch any movie with this version of superman. That doesn't bode well for the justice league film.

I think plenty of people have said they would.  You know, with it making tons of money.  I am just as geeky as any when it comes to this stuff, but we all know nerds like us tend to over-blow our reactions to things.  Right now, I think the movie is making plenty enough money that a sequel will happen.  And you tell the world that Batman is finally going face to face with Superman, every single person that said "worst Superman EVER" will line up around the corner to give them their money.

And don't even try to deny it.


It will easily get a sequel, i never said it wouldn't.

My belief is that the sequel will make a lot less then the studio wanted. Still a profit worldwide, but so much smaller domestic then what they were expecting, that it makes them rethink justice league. Especially if the aquaman movie winds up more like green lantern did and batman winds up more like man of steel.

You think people are mad that superman killed someone? Wait till batman snaps some thugs neck.
 
2013-06-30 09:30:25 PM  

Shadowknight: mr0x: At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.

That's one of my biggest annoyances with the old movies.  Just made powers up with no concern for canon.  I know Donner likely had nothing to do with the flying cellophane uniform S, but MAN that just pissed me off.


Donner didn't have anything to do with the cellophane S or amnesiac kiss. You should blame the Salkinds for that shiat.
 
2013-06-30 09:32:07 PM  

alwaysjaded: FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.


Imagine the sequel's plotline picking up shortly after MoS ends.  Metropolis has to be rebuilt and Lexcorp is at the forefront of it.  During the clean-up, Lex's people get their mitts on some Kryptonian tech.  Battlesuits, armor, energy weapons, whatever.

Now, Lex...imagine the Lex from JLU.  Brilliant, cool, a genius at PR and business and all of it means nothing compared to a god-in-flesh.  So, he has to tear Superman down.  He sets up a PR campaign to poison the will of the people against Superman.  Blame him for the destruction and the deaths of so many.

Act II ramps it up as Superman is starting to doubt whether or not he should actually 'be' Superman, with so many deaths laid at his feet.  Lex's plan kicks into a higher gear as he uses Kryptonian tech to stage a second invasion, insinuating the first was a ploy and a trick to get the people to trust Superman.

Third act has the climax, Lex's plan revealed for the lie that it is, and Superman ends up nearly dying somehow in an effort to save every last goddamned person in danger, and the public turning on Lex.

Oh yeah, at the end of the sequel, there better be a last scene of some blonde chick casually lifting a truck off of someone before disappearing into the crowd.
 
2013-06-30 09:38:12 PM  

Sweet Chin Music: alwaysjaded: FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.

Other movies too, like The Amazing Spider-Man. Peter was taking down muggers and other petty criminals, but, as Captain Stacy pointed out, he was actually interfering with the police and their plans for taking down more dangerous criminals.


Yup. I know it's been explored before. I just haven't read or seen everything so no blanket statements.
 
2013-06-30 09:40:34 PM  

Cheater71: Especially if the aquaman movie winds up more like green lantern did


This is about the only thing I can agree with you on.  The Green Lantern movie was terrible.  I really like Ryan Reynolds, but I don't think he really pulled off Hal Jordan.  Though, it's not really his fault either, the writing was just... Just bad.  Though, I was never really a fan of the Jordan character anyway.  Give me the JLU version of John Stewart any day, but I suppose that in order to have him you have to have Hal to begin with.  

That said, I really liked Man of Steel.  Yes, it was a bit darker and slower to move, but I thought it turned out cool and set up a lot of good stuff for the future movies.
 
2013-06-30 09:40:59 PM  

Infernalist: alwaysjaded: FuturePastNow: Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.

Seems like a natural way for the sequel to go with lots of great potential for a Superman story arch. The Boys did an outstanding job of showing that just because you have a super power and a pair of tights, doesn't mean you instinctively know how to save the day without causing major problems.

/ I'm sure other comics have covered this as well.

Imagine the sequel's plotline picking up shortly after MoS ends.  Metropolis has to be rebuilt and Lexcorp is at the forefront of it.  During the clean-up, Lex's people get their mitts on some Kryptonian tech.  Battlesuits, armor, energy weapons, whatever.

Now, Lex...imagine the Lex from JLU.  Brilliant, cool, a genius at PR and business and all of it means nothing compared to a god-in-flesh.  So, he has to tear Superman down.  He sets up a PR campaign to poison the will of the people against Superman.  Blame him for the destruction and the deaths of so many.

Act II ramps it up as Superman is starting to doubt whether or not he should actually 'be' Superman, with so many deaths laid at his feet.  Lex's plan kicks into a higher gear as he uses Kryptonian tech to stage a second invasion, insinuating the first was a ploy and a trick to get the people to trust Superman.

Third act has the climax, Lex's plan revealed for the lie that it is, and Superman ends up nearly dying somehow in an effort to save every last goddamned person in danger, and the public turning on Lex.

Oh yeah, at the end of the sequel, there better be a last scene of some blonde chick casually lifting a truck off of someone before disappearing into the crowd.


This is a logical progression that would play into the xenophobia of MoS. This movie had to lay the framework for a different universe of Superman, much like Batman Begins did. Plus with room to grow some Justice League stuff.
 
2013-06-30 09:43:23 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


He was forced to. If he didn't, that family would have been killed by Zoe's heat vision. Doing nothing would have also caused deaths. I just wished the final fight involved Superman struggling to fight Zod while also being distracted by having to save innocents caught in the crossfire.
 
2013-06-30 09:44:13 PM  
Man of Steel is Zack Snyders best movie. Not saying much but what did you guys expect?
 
2013-06-30 09:46:40 PM  
Loved this version of Superman, taking nothing away rom Donner's I and 2,  this one won me with the detail on Clark's mom teaching him he wasn't a freak going insane, on top of Pa Kent's usual guidance.   MOS was way better than the second Trek movie, IMO.  The ending battle in MOS was a tad long and really hammered home how evenly matched it all was, maybe for too long.  Zod's motivation in MOS is way better than any I've seen before, and makes the plot really make much more sense.
 
2013-06-30 09:47:32 PM  

Mad_Radhu: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

He was forced to. If he didn't, that family would have been killed by Zoe's heat vision. Doing nothing would have also caused deaths. I just wished the final fight involved Superman struggling to fight Zod while also being distracted by having to save innocents caught in the crossfire.


This. That scene where superman flew though a gas station and it blew up really bothered me.
 
2013-06-30 09:47:55 PM  

Rwa2play: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.  Very.  Worrying.

It's stayed in the top 5, but the # of theaters it's been showed in has dropped.  Not exactly inspiring confidence.


It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win. I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.
 
2013-06-30 09:54:41 PM  

Cheater71: Mad_Radhu: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

He was forced to. If he didn't, that family would have been killed by Zoe's heat vision. Doing nothing would have also caused deaths. I just wished the final fight involved Superman struggling to fight Zod while also being distracted by having to save innocents caught in the crossfire.

This. That scene where superman flew though a gas station and it blew up really bothered me.


Imagine a scene in the sequel.  We see Clark Kent and Lois Lane heading down into the city to see what Lex Luthor is unveiling at the 'Ground Zero' of the Kryptonian attack.

It's a monument with the name of every person who died in Smallville and Metropolis...and unbeknownst to anyone else, a subtle message can be seen just above the names, embedded in the stone monument by means of electrical wiring that only someone with Superman's sense can pick up.

"It's all your fault."

You see his horror and almost physical nausea as he's smacked in the face with the blunt reminder that he 'could' have saved all those people if he'd just been...faster...stronger...

Through the movie, he's confronted with this dilemma of not being fast enough, strong enough...or maybe just not ruthless enough.  That if he'd been willing to kill earlier, maybe some of those people could have been spared.

So now he's tempted with the efficiency and rationalization of murdering his enemies to spare future victims.  Another conflict for him to work through in the sequel.
 
2013-06-30 09:57:03 PM  
Goyer pretty much said to geeks to DEAL WITH IT.

/Didn't hate the film but didn't love it either.
 
2013-06-30 09:57:46 PM  
I hated it. JUST like DC's new 52, it had no heart.
Action, action, action, fark character development, action, dark, destruction!
The only people I know who liked it, weren't alive to see Superman 1 and 2, so there you go
Superman for a new generation. A destructive dick.

Give me Iron Man anyday.
 
2013-06-30 09:59:26 PM  

Infernalist: Cheater71: Mad_Radhu: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

He was forced to. If he didn't, that family would have been killed by Zoe's heat vision. Doing nothing would have also caused deaths. I just wished the final fight involved Superman struggling to fight Zod while also being distracted by having to save innocents caught in the crossfire.

This. That scene where superman flew though a gas station and it blew up really bothered me.

Imagine a scene in the sequel.  We see Clark Kent and Lois Lane heading down into the city to see what Lex Luthor is unveiling at the 'Ground Zero' of the Kryptonian attack.

It's a monument with the name of every person who died in Smallville and Metropolis...and unbeknownst to anyone else, a subtle message can be seen just above the names, embedded in the stone monument by means of electrical wiring that only someone with Superman's sense can pick up.

"It's all your fault."

You see his horror and almost physical nausea as he's smacked in the face with the blunt reminder that he 'could' have saved all those people if he'd just been...faster...stronger...

Through the movie, he's confronted with this dilemma of not being fast enough, strong enough...or maybe just not ruthless enough.  That if he'd been willing to kill earlier, maybe some of those people could have been spared.

So now he's tempted with the efficiency and rationalization of murdering his enemies to spare future victims.  Another conflict for him to work through in the sequel.


That could actually work for me. Really committing to the grimness of Man of Steel. Might piss off the people who refuse to admit all those people died though. Of course i'd still like to see a different director. I didn't really like the pacing and all the flash backs to his childhood seemed oddly placed in the film.
 
2013-06-30 10:04:16 PM  

Kazan: fanboys are going to be butthurt NO MATTER WHAT. unbind your panties, and meet some members of the opposite gender without being a creeper.


Pretty much, when Superman Returns came out, fanboys complained that he was a big blue boy scout, demanding that a version be made more seeded in realism.

Now that they have that, they're complaining that he's not a big blue boy scout.

Snyder and Nolan knew they couldn't win either way, so they made a flawed, but entertaining movie.
 
2013-06-30 10:11:17 PM  

eddievercetti: Goyer pretty much said to geeks to DEAL WITH IT.

/Didn't hate the film but didn't love it either.


Sounds like Wesley Snipes needs to choke a biatch.

All kidding aside, Goyer proved himself a hack with Blade: Trinity and reaffirmed it with this hot mess. It's not like there wasn't potential, with the cast being great, save Cavill, and the effects mostly decent, but the movie felt incomplete at best.
 
2013-06-30 10:13:14 PM  
The first Iron Man is still the best comic book movie ever but Man of Steel is my favorite because I am partial to Superman. They really should have called this Superboyman though because it was all of the formative stuff in one shot. The second film will likely have Luthor in it and be a test of Superman and what he is. The third one will be Darkseid or Doomsday and will end the trilogy. Somewhere along the way human DNA will be able to coexist with Kryptonian, otherwise all of that codex crap will have been for nothing.
 
2013-06-30 10:16:36 PM  
That tornado scene was absolute schlock, though not as bad as that awkward scene in the church.
 
2013-06-30 10:25:21 PM  

Owangotang: The first Iron Man is still the best comic book movie ever but Man of Steel is my favorite because I am partial to Superman. They really should have called this Superboyman though because it was all of the formative stuff in one shot. The second film will likely have Luthor in it and be a test of Superman and what he is. The third one will be Darkseid or Doomsday and will end the trilogy. Somewhere along the way human DNA will be able to coexist with Kryptonian, otherwise all of that codex crap will have been for nothing.


Personally, I think they're eventually going to come to the realization that Earth is one of Krypton's outposts, and humanity is a mutated form of Kryptonian stock.
 
2013-06-30 10:26:24 PM  
So, are any of the posters defending MoS as a fresh re-boot of the property the same ones who are tearing up W.W.Z. for diverging from the book?
 
2013-06-30 10:26:46 PM  
I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.
 
2013-06-30 10:30:01 PM  

Gleeman: So, are any of the posters defending MoS as a fresh re-boot of the property the same ones who are tearing up W.W.Z. for diverging from the book?


Sure, I'll bite.  Yes.  Because Man of Steel isn't a complete departure form the character.  It didn't turn Superman into a completely different person.  It's an origin story, as if no one has ever heard of him.  Including him.  He's never seen what he's completely capable of, and now that he knows, he's upset with himself and will define rules.

WWZ on the other hand may be a perfectly fine movie in its own right, but it just took the name of a popular book and has no connection to it.  Much like Lawnmower Man, it's simply capitalizing on the name.
 
2013-06-30 10:30:28 PM  

Gleeman: W.W.Z.


Now that was a shiatty movie.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SPOILERS
Brad Pitt has a theory about how to keep the zombies from attacking humans and keeps it to himself instead of telling his bro on the ship so they can take an armed team to the nearest CDC center to pick up some viruses.
 
2013-06-30 10:32:12 PM  

perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.


Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.
 
2013-06-30 10:36:37 PM  

buntz: Gleeman: So, are any of the posters defending MoS as a fresh re-boot of the property the same ones who are tearing up W.W.Z. for diverging from the book?

Sure, I'll bite.  Yes.  Because Man of Steel isn't a complete departure form the character.  It didn't turn Superman into a completely different person.  It's an origin story, as if no one has ever heard of him.  Including him.  He's never seen what he's completely capable of, and now that he knows, he's upset with himself and will define rules.

WWZ on the other hand may be a perfectly fine movie in its own right, but it just took the name of a popular book and has no connection to it.  Much like Lawnmower Man, it's simply capitalizing on the name.


Well to be honest I haven't seen MoS yet, but from what some people have been saying it's not just a 'take some random super hero and slap the Superman label on it' film then?

(See the Craig 'Bond' films for an example)
 
2013-06-30 10:37:41 PM  

Infernalist: perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.

Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.


The problem is, there are Very Few actual capes in Superhero-dom; Batman and Superman being the only continuing examples of it. The rest copped their styles from the originals, and none but Superman wear a red cape.
 
2013-06-30 10:41:22 PM  
I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.
 
2013-06-30 10:42:22 PM  

perigee: Infernalist: perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.

Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.

The problem is, there are Very Few actual capes in Superhero-dom; Batman and Superman being the only continuing examples of it. The rest copped their styles from the originals, and none but Superman wear a red cape.


He was clearly playing Sargon the Sorceror. Duh.
 
2013-06-30 10:43:11 PM  

Gleeman: So, are any of the posters defending MoS as a fresh re-boot of the property the same ones who are tearing up W.W.Z. for diverging from the book?


I enjoyed WWZ, too.
 
2013-06-30 10:43:24 PM  

perigee: Infernalist: perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.

Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.

The problem is, there are Very Few actual capes in Superhero-dom; Batman and Superman being the only continuing examples of it. The rest copped their styles from the originals, and none but Superman wear a red cape.


Right, when I said 'some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic', I was referring to a made-up comic hero that doesn't really exist in that universe.

I think I just hurt my brain.
 
2013-06-30 10:44:20 PM  

soporific: I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.


Well said
 
2013-06-30 10:45:13 PM  

quatchi: Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.

THIS.


I don't get the haters...I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.  That's all I ask.  Lots of personal moments, lots of action, good story.  Elements of a joke here and there.  Worth my money, will see it again.

No movie is going to resonate with 100% of the audience.  Haters can suck it.
 
2013-06-30 10:50:44 PM  

Fade2black: quatchi: Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.

THIS.

I don't get the haters...I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.  That's all I ask.  Lots of personal moments, lots of action, good story.  Elements of a joke here and there.  Worth my money, will see it again.

No movie is going to resonate with 100% of the audience.  Haters can suck it.


I enjoyed MoS.   It's not perfect, but it's one of the better summer movies I've seen thus far.  Star Trek is at the top spot for me thus far.
 
2013-06-30 10:51:01 PM  

Zombie DJ: I hated it. JUST like DC's new 52, it had no heart.
Action, action, action, fark character development, action, dark, destruction!
The only people I know who liked it, weren't alive to see Superman 1 and 2, so there you go
Superman for a new generation. A destructive dick.


Since it's a DC Entertainment movie, I just automatically expect it to suck.

That's generally all they're capable of.
 
2013-06-30 10:51:29 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.

So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.


Besides with Wonder Woman: It's Lynda Carter as WW looking hot and being awesome.  'nuff said, bub~!
 
2013-06-30 10:52:16 PM  

Gleeman: but from what some people have been saying it's not just a 'take some random super hero and slap the Superman label on it' film then?


No, of course not.  It's Csino Royale in that Superman doesn't know he's Superman until he's more of less forced to be.
Bond wasn't bond yet.  It was an origin.  And over the course of the movie, and the 2nd, he grew into the Bond we remember, or at least closer to the Bond we remember, by Skyfall (with the humor and the class)

This is a raw, unpolished Superman who didn't realize what he was fully capable of until he was pushed.
Yeah, he saved a busload of kids and knew he was strong.  But he's a "kid" who didn't think about his actions having such major consequences.

he doesn't have his boy scout rules yet because he wasn't aware he needed them.    NOW he knows.

Word War Z, like I said, may be a fine movie on it's own, but it's not even CLOSE to the book.  Right down to the type of zombie.  It's simply a zombie movie with the same name as a book.
 
2013-06-30 10:56:35 PM  

Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.


This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.
 
2013-06-30 10:57:14 PM  

Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.


Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?
 
2013-06-30 10:57:20 PM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: I thought Doomsday killed Superman?


He was only "mostly dead." I kid you not.

/World's worst mash-up movies presents: The Man of Steel Magnolias.
 
2013-06-30 10:58:14 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?


The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?
 
2013-06-30 11:00:15 PM  

Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?


Also:  Didya see comments in his clip?  When a non-fan who still knows the Superman origin goes and says "That's not Superman" after watching the movie, that's...dangerous.
 
2013-06-30 11:05:04 PM  

Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?


Why don't you walk me through these signs that this new take could go downhill fast, as you put it?
 
2013-06-30 11:07:51 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: He was only "mostly dead." I kid you not.


I thought the Eradicator told him he was "categorically deceased."
 
2013-06-30 11:10:09 PM  
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Nice design, Kryptonians.
 
2013-06-30 11:13:38 PM  
Superman killed Zod in Supes 2 and in the comics. People who are biatching about that don't know about the character they think they are defending.
 
2013-06-30 11:14:33 PM  
That's still a website?
 
2013-06-30 11:22:20 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Superman killed Nuclear Man (the Superman / Luthor hybrid clone) in Superman IV by shoving him into a nuclear reactor.
 
2013-06-30 11:22:57 PM  

GungFu: Nice design, Kryptonians.


Yeah, I thought the dildo-pods were an odd design choice.
 
2013-06-30 11:27:42 PM  
img2.timeinc.net


I'm sorry, what was the problem again?
 
2013-06-30 11:29:09 PM  
Waaaaaaaaaaah. Reread the comics again if you care that much.
 
2013-06-30 11:30:44 PM  

VaportrailFilms: [img2.timeinc.net image 612x380]


I'm sorry, what was the problem again?


Photographic evidence that Superman was the reason that 7 World Trade Center collapsed.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:24 PM  

perigee: cape


perigee: Infernalist: perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.

Maybe he was just imitating some random Superhero in a random DC universe comic.

The problem is, there are Very Few actual capes in Superhero-dom; Batman and Superman being the only continuing examples of it. The rest copped their styles from the originals, and none but Superman wear a red cape.


daily.captaindash.com
 
2013-06-30 11:40:21 PM  

soporific: I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.


That's the one biggest issue I had with the movie. If the next movie shows his remorse and struggle with the events of this movie then as a whole it will be fine. But sequels tend to leave stuff like that out and just want to move on to whatever plot they have for the movie.

It still doesn't make much sense that Superman only got upset enough to kill Zod when he was about to kill three people and not the hundreds of thousands to millions he had already killed. If the next film shows Superman struggling in his Fortress of Solitude weighing decisions to help the world again at the expense of potentially killing others then it will be a good continuation of the story.
 
2013-06-30 11:47:52 PM  
My only gripe is that they should have dispensed with the secret identity all together.  By the end of the movie, pretty much everyone should have known that Superman was Clark Kent, though I do like the end joke of a spunky reporter with a flashlight figuring out who he is but the government with billions of dollars at its disposal can't.  I mean, he outright told them he was raised in Kansas.  He's not a douchebag so that rules out Johnson County and Lawrence.  Take those places away and there's only about a hundred people left in the state.
 
2013-07-01 12:07:59 AM  

Mentat: My only gripe is that they should have dispensed with the secret identity all together.  By the end of the movie, pretty much everyone should have known that Superman was Clark Kent, though I do like the end joke of a spunky reporter with a flashlight figuring out who he is but the government with billions of dollars at its disposal can't.  I mean, he outright told them he was raised in Kansas.  He's not a douchebag so that rules out Johnson County and Lawrence.  Take those places away and there's only about a hundred people left in the state.


Also, Lois led the cops to the Kent farm in time to see Clark in full costume, so any idiot could put two and two together with enough digging.
 
2013-07-01 12:16:42 AM  

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.


I don't know. I found that scene to be very satisfying.
 
2013-07-01 12:23:17 AM  
The whole point of the secret identity is the thing this movie totally ignored, to its detriment. Superman is Clark Kent, a Kansas farm kid who has crazy awesome super powers b/c he's an alien. This movie is about the space alien Kal-El, trying to figure out about humans and how to fit in w/ them. It makes it hard to get empathy though. The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.

Oh, and the zoom ins/outs were atrocious. Hold your shots, you hacks.
 
2013-07-01 12:26:08 AM  
I had no problems with the plot choices they made and I was fine with a more serious take on the character. That said, this movie was farking BORING. This movie spent so much time trying to set and maintain a solemn tone they absolutely lost my interest. I'm fine with serious subject matter, but even the most serious movies give you a reason to crack a smile once in a while. The fight scenes we the same thing over and over. If you get off on someone being thrown through six buildings at a time, that's great, since you see it happen about ten times. And I get that he's a childhood freak with a paranoid father who screws with his head, but you simply can't tell me that being a super-powered child isn't fun at least some of the time.

I kept seeing aspects of the movie that I liked (new Kryptonian imagery was cool, Cavill looks the part, Crowe did a good job as Jor-El), but overall, it was a big, boring disappointment. I was not entertained and was relieved when it ended.
 
2013-07-01 12:27:10 AM  

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.


Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?
 
2013-07-01 12:29:16 AM  

AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?


In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.
 
2013-07-01 12:33:37 AM  

Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.


I don't know what's "cannon", but I remember in the theatrical release, Supes goes into this chamber so he would get zapped and all his super powers would be erased.  Instead, he was protected and the Kryptonians outside the chamber lost their powers instead.  All 3 of the Kryptonians fell into this chasm which I assume was to their death because they no longer had super powers.

I'm not aware of the Donner cut of which you speak.
 
2013-07-01 12:35:04 AM  

Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.


In the old TV cut of Superman II, it shows the arctic police arresting Zod and his goons outside of the Fortress of Solitude.

When I was a kid and watched it on VHS, I never thought Supes killed Zod or those guys. I assumed he put them in holding cells somewhere in the Fortress of Solitude and then flew them off to the authorities later on off camera. Nothing about the tone of that scene or the Superman in that movie said, "I'm straight up killing these guys to my own theme song."
 
2013-07-01 12:41:54 AM  

Sgt Otter: I wasn't thrilled with their interpretation of Superman, but I was entertained.

In my head, Superman is a big blue Boy Scout saving people, and charming everybody's pants off.  Not a near-mute engine of collateral damage.

/I really liked Jor-El and Faora.  Wasn't impressed with the new General Zod.


New Zod looked like Bill Hader with muscles. If only Bill Hader hadn't left SNL...
 
2013-07-01 12:57:04 AM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Nobody remembers what happened to Max Lord?

/ yeah, a different DC character was involved in that incident....
 
2013-07-01 01:08:18 AM  

AeAe: Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.

I don't know what's "cannon", but I remember in the theatrical release, Supes goes into this chamber so he would get zapped and all his super powers would be erased.  Instead, he was protected and the Kryptonians outside the chamber lost their powers instead.  All 3 of the Kryptonians fell into this chasm which I assume was to their death because they no longer had super powers.

I'm not aware of the Donner cut of which you speak.


The Donner Cut was how the movie was intended to be edited, but Richard Donner was fired half-way through and the idiot producers hacked up the rest of the movie.  That's why you have the magic cellophane S and the amnesia kiss.
 
2013-07-01 01:08:19 AM  
I loved the first half of the movie.  Told the back story well and I was invested emotionally.

The second half sucked kyrptonite laced nuts. It turned into end fight of "The Matrix Revolutions" just with more product placement.  Superman gets thrown through a Sears, fights in an IHOP and blows up a 7-11.  Then he drinks a capri sun and shaves with Gillette.  I understand that he is Superman, but the invincible thing gets boring when you're trying to create drama.  Pretty Much John Cena in a cape.
 
2013-07-01 01:10:24 AM  

Master of the Flying Guillotine: Mentat: AeAe: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

I have. Superman II. And in the comics.

Superman didn't kill Zod in Superman II. Although he was kind of a dick to the redneck when he regained his powers.

Why do you say Superman didn't kill Zod in S2?  What happened to Zod then?

In the Donner Cut, he goes back in time and prevents Zod from ever escaping the Phantom Zone in the first place.

In the old TV cut of Superman II, it shows the arctic police arresting Zod and his goons outside of the Fortress of Solitude.

When I was a kid and watched it on VHS, I never thought Supes killed Zod or those guys. I assumed he put them in holding cells somewhere in the Fortress of Solitude and then flew them off to the authorities later on off camera. Nothing about the tone of that scene or the Superman in that movie said, "I'm straight up killing these guys to my own theme song."


He takes away their powers and throws them down a pit in the Fortress of Solitude.  They're dead, Jim.

Max Landis makes a good point about the new film that Superman wouldn't really hesitate to kill Zod and the other Kryptonians given their intent to destroy the Earth.  He doesn't kill humans because he's like an adult among children, but Zod is another adult so killing him isn't a moral quandry, particularly when the lives of other children are at stake.  He disliked the film because he felt Superman wouldn't engage in a battle that would cause so much destruction and death.  Where I disagree with him is that I don't believe he had the ability to choose the battleground and I also think that he wanted to find some way to save Zod and the others so that he would have some connection to his home planet restored.
 
2013-07-01 01:17:08 AM  

Rwa2play: The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.


Citation needed.
 
2013-07-01 01:50:52 AM  
I'm surprised by how many Superman experts have come out of the woodwork when for years I thought general consensus was that he sucks and is lame. MoS sure is polarizing, regardless. I thought it had its flaws, but hardly the worst. No worse than most of Marvel's offerings.

I think a Justice League movie is a mistake in the short term. WB can easily make a bunch of money with that Batman/Superman movie they wanted a decade ago. So trout out a new Batman, Superman sequel, and then World's Finest. Justice League can follow that.
 
2013-07-01 02:23:52 AM  
I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:06 AM  

bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.


You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.
 
2013-07-01 02:39:43 AM  
I was completely sold on the movie up until the final battle with Zod. It had some pacing issues and I really didn't care for Johnathan Kent's reasoning ability, but it was fairly good for a retread of an origin story that almost the entire human race is aware of.

But that last battle. Just...geez. I was cool with the Battle of Smallville. Supe's had never used his powers against someone who could hit back. He also loves his mom. shiat happens. I even accepted that a lot of people died during that gravity machine's initial landing. Supe's can't be in two places at once.

But duking it out with Zod across a city with a population presumably in the milions? The real Superman would've put Zod in a full nelson at the earliest opportunity and rocketed them off into space. Or at least to a convenient empty wasteland. At the very least he would have stupidly paid more attention to getting humans out of harms way than he would have fighting Zod. It's a fault of his. But that's what makes him who he is.

I'll see the sequel, and probably enjoy it, but I really hope they address some of these complaints..
 
2013-07-01 02:42:20 AM  

Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.


Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.
 
2013-07-01 02:56:57 AM  

bbfreak: Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.

Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.


Wait, why wouldn't Clark Kent have a social security number?

No matter what, the Kents would have had to adopt him, he would be in the system...

And as for Superman... Why would he need a job?
 
2013-07-01 03:02:07 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: bbfreak: Fade2black: bbfreak: I can't say I've ever really cared about Superman one way or another but by far that was the worst movie I've seen this year and the worst Superman movie yet.

Things I didn't like about this movie. SPOILERS

45 minutes of CGI fights/explosions. No thank you. >.>

Most of the city is destroyed, thousands must of been killed and we're suppose to care about those few people that Zod might kill? Even though Superman made no effort to save anyone else that is in you know the buildings or what not?

Lois is only in this movie to be saved. Why was she even on the cargo plane? To be saved, duh!

Which brings me to the things that just don't make any farking sense.

1: A farm boy from Kansas can save a pretty lady with eye lasers, internal bleeding be damn!

2: Everybody just sorts of agrees with Superman. We'll send them back via a blackhole or some shiat. Yes, that makes total farking sense.

3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>

4: He's about to eye laser someone, I forget who and he stops mid eye-lasering to deliver a smart ass remark. OK.

5: Why aren't militaries from other countries involved? Why is there no discussion of firing a nuke at Zod's ship?

6: How does Superman get a job at the Daily Planet without a Social Security number? This isn't a day labor job he got after waiting in the Home Depot parking lot, it's an actual business. SMH.

You're either a troll, or the most unhappy fool to walk the planet.  Almost....pathetic, actually.

Neither thank you. I just hate lazy writing, and bad movies. If you like bad movies, good for you. I'd admit point 6 can be forgiven, but the other points are pretty valid in my opinion. I just don't think we should accept mediocrity in entertainment, you seem to disagree.

Wait, why wouldn't Clark Kent have a social security number?

No matter what, the Kents would have had to adopt him, he would be in the ...


Eh. honestly that wasn't my biggest problem with the film point  6, but you generally need to go to a doctor before you can be made a citizen. Especially if you're a kid. Shots, etc.
 
2013-07-01 03:03:34 AM  
Superman was good. My only complaint was the pacing in the second half of the movie. Michael Shannon was good, but not epic.

No where near as boring as Iron Man sequels, Thor, or Captain America
 
2013-07-01 03:04:01 AM  

Esroc: I was completely sold on the movie up until the final battle with Zod. It had some pacing issues and I really didn't care for Johnathan Kent's reasoning ability, but it was fairly good for a retread of an origin story that almost the entire human race is aware of.

But that last battle. Just...geez. I was cool with the Battle of Smallville. Supe's had never used his powers against someone who could hit back. He also loves his mom. shiat happens. I even accepted that a lot of people died during that gravity machine's initial landing. Supe's can't be in two places at once.

But duking it out with Zod across a city with a population presumably in the milions? The real Superman would've put Zod in a full nelson at the earliest opportunity and rocketed them off into space. Or at least to a convenient empty wasteland. At the very least he would have stupidly paid more attention to getting humans out of harms way than he would have fighting Zod. It's a fault of his. But that's what makes him who he is.

I'll see the sequel, and probably enjoy it, but I really hope they address some of these complaints..


If they don't address the obvious death and destruction that Superman helped inflict, even if involuntarily, then I'll throw up my hands and give upon WB's ability to craft a good Superhero movie.
 
2013-07-01 03:16:53 AM  
I finally saw it tonight.  My entire theater burst into applause at the end.
 
2013-07-01 03:29:28 AM  

PacificaFitz: I dont get the negative reactions.


The movie lacked the most important ingredient in any super hero film:  Fun
Some of it was very cool, don't get me wrong... It just wasn't very much fun.  That, and the excessive number of times people were thrown through buildings are the reasons I thought it wasn't successful.
 
2013-07-01 06:09:29 AM  

perigee: I especially liked the flashback when 8-year old Superman ran around the backyard wearing a red cape with his hands on his hips, pretending to be Superman, before there was a Superman to pretend to be.

Maybe young Kal-El is just fabulous, with a forward fashion sense.


He's pretending to be Captain Marvel Jr.
 
2013-07-01 07:22:59 AM  
Jor- El calling his dragon to fly him home.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-01 07:53:37 AM  

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.

But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.


So you're saying it's only Superman if it sucks?
 
2013-07-01 08:08:18 AM  
I hope they bring back Faora for the sequel, she was a better villain that Zod. Remember, we never actually saw her die.
 
2013-07-01 08:33:34 AM  

ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites


hahahahahahahahahahaha
 
2013-07-01 08:45:12 AM  
The only real problem with it is that its SO unsatisfying to watch two people who can't really hurt each other just beating on one another for 15 minutes, which happens at least twice in the movie.  Really what they should have done is make it take a while for the Kryptonian bodies to store up a charge from the yellow sun.  Let Supes crap all over them in the initial confrontation, and then make them stronger in the next battle with him fighting like 3 of their elite soldiers.  Have Zod go out into space wearing a space suit for a while when he realizes this to  build himself up to almost equal and let him outfight the guy who has LITERALLY NEVER THROWN A PUNCH BEFORE to make up for the rest of it.

It would've been a lot more watchable if Superman could beat the lame Kryptonians into the ground 1-on-1 and they had to swarm him
 
2013-07-01 08:45:38 AM  

Trocadero: The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.


He's not a human, so you have it backwards.
 
2013-07-01 08:47:47 AM  

soporific: I saw it a second time yesterday, and I enjoyed it just as much. Man of Steel was everything Superman Returns wasn't. What annoyed me the most about Superman Returns was how Lois still hadn't figured out that Clark was Superman. She should have figured it out years ago, when both of them vanished, and been really ticked off at him when he got back.

That's why I loved how Lois was actually a reporter in this one and figured out he was Clark. It's not like Clark carefully hid his tracks and I'm pretty sure half of Smallville knows Clark is Superman. But I loved that we didn't have to deal with any secret identity nonsense. I've seen those movies, television shows, cartoons, and comics. It's been done, done well, but I'm happy to move on. While the DCAU Superman:Doomsday movie has its flaws, it did one thing right. Superman and Lois have a pretty intimate relationship, and she knows his secret identity. Superman refuses to tell her, though, and it's a big source of conflict between them.

I also wasn't upset by the massive destruction and how Superman wasn't rescuing civilians during the battle. That's not who he was in this movie. He was raw, unpolished, and making mistakes. The Superman in the next movie will be shaped by this one. He'll live with the regret of all the destruction, all the lives he could have saved but didn't. He'll especially regret killing Zod and vow to never take a life. And he'll take better care to avoid civilian casualties.

Like The Dark Knight, I predict the sequel to what was essentially "Superman Begins" will be even better. The third movie will be enjoyable but might not hold up to the other two.


This sounds extremely logical.
 
2013-07-01 09:05:30 AM  
Fark what that movie did to Superman I'll never forgive what it did to Robin Hood daddy number 2 Johnathan Kent. Maybe you let the people die? Fark you!
 
2013-07-01 09:29:17 AM  

Mind of the North Star: Superman was good. My only complaint was the pacing in the second half of the movie. Michael Shannon was good, but not epic.

No where near as boring as Iron Man sequels, Thor, or Captain America


I enjoyed every one of those.
 
2013-07-01 09:49:28 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I hope they bring back Faora for the sequel, she was a better villain that Zod. Remember, we never actually saw her die.


It's a comic book movie we don't need a reason. Just make it happen!

and make her grow her hair out a little.....


or not, not a deal breaker.
 
2013-07-01 10:09:21 AM  
Does anyone have any desire to watch any of Zack Snyder's films ever again? No, they're terrible. When you see 'Directed by Zack Snyder', you should know by now the movie will suck.
 
2013-07-01 10:21:45 AM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Infernalist: Rwa2play: Mad_Radhu: It is still the second highest grossing movie of the year behind Iron Man 3, so I think WB is counting it as a win.

This; WB's will count this in the win column, but the signs are there that this new take could go downhill fast in the next movie.

I still think it was better than the non-Donner cut of Superman 2, but nowhere near as good as Superman: The Movie or All Star Superman.

That and I'd add Superman/Batman: Apocalypse.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, technically it's Supes, Bats, WW and Supergirl, but I'd put his fight with Darkseid up there against Zod.

Just curious but what 'signs' are you referring to?

The typical Nolan-esque plot holes didn't give it away?

Why don't you walk me through these signs that this new take could go downhill fast, as you put it?


How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

I mean, they really couldn't have paraphrased/quoted the scene in "S:TM" where Supes stops the missile heading for NJ, turns his head and looks on in shock as the other missile detonates on the San Andreas Fault?  You mean to tell me that they couldn't do the same thing to explain how Pa Kent dies?!  Really, Clark gets stopped by Jonathan from saving him?! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!

I just shook my head and walked out the door.  Donner's script (of all things) could've fixed that in one shot.

Sorry, but I can't buy that.
 
2013-07-01 10:23:40 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

Nobody remembers what happened to Max Lord?

/ yeah, a different DC character was involved in that incident....


And as I've stated before, had WW killed someone, it would've been believable.
 
2013-07-01 10:27:50 AM  

bbfreak: 3: His earth father really had to die for a stupid dog? No. That was stupid, he deserved to die for being so stupid. >.>


That's what didn't piss me off...what pissed me off was that his dad didn't want to be saved!  I mean, go ahead, quote Donner and say that while Clark is saving the mom and kid, Jonathan saves the dog but the tornado veers right into their path, the dog runs away but Jonathan is swept up.  Clark turns and sees what happened in horror, goes right into the tornado funnel, gets his dad out...but it's too late and he dies anyway.

That would've been believable.
 
2013-07-01 10:38:31 AM  
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2013-07-01 11:20:29 AM  

Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?


So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.
 
2013-07-01 11:22:56 AM  

Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.


Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.
 
2013-07-01 11:31:48 AM  

Rwa2play: Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.

Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.


That scene was a bit drawn out.. and you left the theater?  That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.
 
2013-07-01 11:34:05 AM  

Alphax: Rwa2play: Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.

Really; you wanna defend the movie from that viewpoint?  Please proceed.

That scene was a bit drawn out.. and you left the theater?  That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.


Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!
 
2013-07-01 11:48:28 AM  

Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.


So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.
 
2013-07-01 11:49:31 AM  

Alphax: Rwa2play: How about the moment I walked out of the theater after Pa Kent dies out of disgust.  How's that?

So, you didn't watch the movie?

Just step away from the thread.


break the wrist and walk away
 
2013-07-01 11:50:11 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.


For Fark threads, yeah.  Doing that for a movie, you really undermine yourself.
 
2013-07-01 11:51:07 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.


This.
 
2013-07-01 11:52:12 AM  

Alphax: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Alphax: That may be one of the oddest things I've read on Fark in quite a while.

So, you don't come here very often?

Commenting on something you haven't seen/read/heard has a long and glorious history around here.

For Fark threads, yeah.  Doing that for a movie, you really undermine yourself.


To be fair, I was in a bad mood when I started watching it so...any little thing would've ticked me off.  I have those days.
 
2013-07-01 11:53:10 AM  

Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!


Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.

That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?
 
2013-07-01 11:59:07 AM  

RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?


Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.
 
2013-07-01 12:01:22 PM  

RyansPrivates: Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!

Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.


Yeah well...that part about Pa telling Clark he should've let the kids die started the downhill path for me.  I mean, really Jonathan, you don't want the world to know about how the kid could lift a bus back on the road but you want to scar the kid's psyche for life?  WTF?
 
2013-07-01 12:04:32 PM  

Shadowknight: RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?

Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.


Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.
 
2013-07-01 12:09:44 PM  

Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: Rwa2play: Maybe, but it harkened back to how Spider-Man lost Uncle Ben.  At least in the movie that made sense.  That made no farking sense at all~!

Got to disagree with you there:  remember the earlier conversation when Pa Kent said that maybe Clark should have just let the kids in the bus die (maybe being italicized on purpose)?  Now you can argue (somewhat justifiably) that the Pa Kent from the comics would have wanted Clark to save them, regardless.  But in this incarnation, Pa Kent is concerned about the worlds reaction to Clark/Kal.  He was conflicted by the great power he sees in his son but also the great phobias of the human race toward outsiders.  Now fast forward to the tornado.  He doesn't want his son to become an object scientific/societal/government investigation thus putting not only Clark at risk, but his family and friends (i.e.  Ma Kent, Smallville community) in jeopardy.  To that end, he sacrifices himself.

Yeah well...that part about Pa telling Clark he should've let the kids die started the downhill path for me.  I mean, really Jonathan, you don't want the world to know about how the kid could lift a bus back on the road but you want to scar the kid's psyche for life?  WTF?


Also:  if Clark moving the bus back wasn't going to draw a crowd at that point, then him saving his dad from the tornado wouldn't have move the needle either.
 
2013-07-01 12:47:14 PM  

Rwa2play: Also:  if Clark moving the bus back wasn't going to draw a crowd at that point, then him saving his dad from the tornado wouldn't have move the needle either.


The only person who witnessed what Clark did with the bus was a kid and could be easily dismissed as them having a wild imagination. A group of adults witnessing Clark saving his father from a raging tornado would have blown his cover once and for all. I agree that the death of his father could have been handled a lot better, but Pa Kent's motivation for having Clark stay put made sense, given his fear of what would happen if the world found the truth about his son.
 
2013-07-01 12:58:47 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: The only person who witnessed what Clark did with the bus was a kid and could be easily dismissed as them having a wild imagination. A group of adults witnessing Clark saving his father from a raging tornado would have blown his cover once and for all. I agree that the death of his father could have been handled a lot better, but Pa Kent's motivation for having Clark stay put made sense, given his fear of what would happen if the world found the truth about his son.


I agree if the condition of Pa Kent being in danger by tornado is true.  The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with. Don't save the dog.  Most other normal families would have said "well that really sucks, fluffy is going to die, but at least we are safe*".  But for some reason Pa Kent went out there to save the damn dog.   I don't buy the reasoning that Clark would have done it if he didn't.  So Clark cares more for the dog than he cares for his father (i.e. he would save the dog but wouldn't do the same for his dad, in both cases against his fathers wishes)?

*as if hiding under a overpass was safe

/Dog owner
//Still wouldn't save my dog at the risk to my own life, causing loss to my family
///Enjoyed MoS for the most part.
 
2013-07-01 01:07:26 PM  

RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.


I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.
 
2013-07-01 01:10:15 PM  
Wy didn't Krypto just fly away from the tornado?
 
2013-07-01 01:10:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.


This.
 
2013-07-01 01:16:19 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.


Yep.  Bad Motivation --> Bad conflict --> Bad resolution.    If the motivation was something more realistic, like someone's kid with a leg caught, it would have had essentially the same conflict and resolution but a much better scene.
 
2013-07-01 01:18:14 PM  
MoS saved the Superman character from oblivion.  I hated the last bunch of movies and couldn't give a shiat less about him.  I expected this movie to be another retarded gimp shuffling down the hallway.

But then the PR machine started up and the trailers started coming out.  My kids begged me to go, and we loved the movie.  They're interested in the character and want MoS 2 to come out RIGHT NOW.

Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them.  I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.
 
2013-07-01 02:08:56 PM  

Rwa2play: Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.

This.


Rumor mill says this was originally planned but didn't test screen well

fickenchucker: Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them. I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.


Agreed, like it or love it. This was what the franchise needed.
 
2013-07-01 02:32:45 PM  
Rwa2play:

Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.

Yeah, I agree, it was a little weird.  I mean, why WOULDN'T Clark just disobey him and go save him?  I know I would have.  But I suppose after their "You're not even my father" argument, he wanted to show his dad that he trusted him, even against all sense.  And his dad showed a lot of times that he was willing to protect his son against all sense or at any cost of human life.  I suppose that would include him too.

A bit of a rationalization, yes, but it worked for me.
 
2013-07-01 04:32:48 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Rwa2play: Popcorn Johnny: RyansPrivates: The problem I have is how he put himself in danger to begin with.

I agree, that's why I say that the entire scene was just plain bad writing. They could have come up with a more realistic scenario for bumping off Pa.

This.

Rumor mill says this was originally planned but didn't test screen well

fickenchucker: Like it or lump it, Nolan-izing/Dark Knight-izing DC characters is the only thing they have going for them. I like it very much, so suck it old-school basement dwellers.

Agreed, like it or love it. This was what the franchise needed.


Superman needed to get away from the Donner paradigm ASAP and get a reboot.  I'll argue against the direction they did take with this movie; you could've been realistic without copying off of Nolan's Batman.
 
2013-07-01 04:40:43 PM  

Shadowknight: Rwa2play:

Yeah but it could've BSed away...God I just...I just didn't like that scene at all.  Even now it's turning me off the movie.

Yeah, I agree, it was a little weird.  I mean, why WOULDN'T Clark just disobey him and go save him?  I know I would have.  But I suppose after their "You're not even my father" argument, he wanted to show his dad that he trusted him, even against all sense.  And his dad showed a lot of times that he was willing to protect his son against all sense or at any cost of human life.  I suppose that would include him too.

A bit of a rationalization, yes, but it worked for me.


As I said, I think it would've worked out better if the tornado was heading Jonathan's way and he had no escape.  As soon as Clark made sure everybody else was safe, he turns only to find that he sees Jonathan swept up in the funnel.

That would've been more realistic in offing Pa Kent.
 
2013-07-01 06:44:16 PM  

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Likewise. I respect the hell out of the Donner era, but it's over and it's time for a new take.
 
2013-07-01 08:20:37 PM  

Alphax: Trocadero: The struggle should come from a human trying to cope w/ extraordinary powers. This opposite approach left me cold.

He's not a human, so you have it backwards.


Correct, he's not a human. However, the best Superman stories are about Clark Kent. Even "For the Man Who Has Everything" you could see it as a story about Clark Kent living on Krypton.
 
2013-07-01 08:32:41 PM  

Shadowknight: RyansPrivates: That part the rankles me?  That Pa Kent went after the dog at all. WTH?

Because he knew that if he didn't, Clark would have.  And thus revealed himself when he ripped the door off it's hinges in his hurry or something.  So instead, he sent Clark to make sure his mom was ok, and went after the dog to preserve the secret.


Yeah, and it was farking stupid.  Pa Kent actually suggested that maybe he should have let the kids die so as to preserve his secret.  I wanted to stand up in the movie theater and scream "Uh NO!  How about fark NO?"

Stupidest movie ever.
 
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