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(The Motley Fool)   How Zack Snyder destroyed Superman   (fool.com) divider line 189
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2013-06-30 11:23:20 AM  
Ohhhhhhhhh this is gonna be a well-reasoned out thread.

/gets popcorn
//and the baseball bats
 
2013-06-30 11:38:28 AM  
Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.
 
2013-06-30 11:39:36 AM  
So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?
 
2013-06-30 12:12:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.


10/10 - that will get tons of bites
 
2013-06-30 12:15:13 PM  

ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites


The best part is, I'm not even trolling.
 
2013-06-30 12:19:06 PM  
Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).
 
2013-06-30 12:46:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


The fact that his wife, who's not a comic geek yet knows about Superman's origin, saw the movie and said "That's not Superman" has to be worrying to WB.  Very.  Worrying.

It's stayed in the top 5, but the # of theaters it's been showed in has dropped.  Not exactly inspiring confidence.
 
2013-06-30 01:10:12 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.


Those movies were fantastic...
 
2013-06-30 01:28:25 PM  
They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.
 
2013-06-30 01:43:02 PM  

Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.


Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.
 
2013-06-30 01:54:27 PM  
That version of Superman your grandparents grew up with?  Gone for 30 years, and the fans were relieved as all hell.


At least they didn't do the emo-vegetarian version.
 
2013-06-30 02:53:32 PM  
Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.
 
2013-06-30 04:37:52 PM  

clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...


No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.
 
2013-06-30 04:47:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: clancifer: cameroncrazy1984: ManateeGag: cameroncrazy1984: Christopher Nolan produced it, right? I blame him. His Batman movies were awful too.

10/10 - that will get tons of bites

The best part is, I'm not even trolling.

Those movies were fantastic...

No, they were boring and Batman was retarded. I prefer Iron Man because Tony Stark doesn't look or sound like a cartoon moron.


Gotta admit, Christian Bale talking as he had gargled razor blades as Batman is a low-spot of sorts.
 
2013-06-30 06:44:46 PM  

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


THIS.
 
2013-06-30 06:48:51 PM  
I wasn't thrilled with their interpretation of Superman, but I was entertained.

In my head, Superman is a big blue Boy Scout saving people, and charming everybody's pants off.  Not a near-mute engine of collateral damage.

/I really liked Jor-El and Faora.  Wasn't impressed with the new General Zod.
 
2013-06-30 07:06:03 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


I have. Superman II. And in the comics.
 
2013-06-30 07:52:58 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


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2013-06-30 08:15:59 PM  

Rwa2play: Kyosuke: They farked up when they tried to make him anything more than a simple comic book hero.

Realism doesn't belong in the comic book universe. Comics were supposed to be an escape from reality.

Marvel hit it perfectly: embrace it, don't shy away from what it is.  In hindsight, the Wonder Woman TV series was the same way.  Heck, even "Lois & Clark" somewhat embraced it.


So much this. I think the Iron Man movies are superior to the Nolan Batman movies, because being faithful and fun aren't antithetical concepts.
 
2013-06-30 08:19:53 PM  
Snyder's Superman film didn't involve yet another Lex Luthor land scheme or a flying-around-the-world-in-reverse scene. It was fun and satisfying and laid the groundwork for a decent series.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:34 PM  
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Yeah Man of Steel was awful. We needed more polar bears, giant spiders, and a living super suit. At least he wouldn't have KILLED anyone and stained the legacy of such an icon.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:36 PM  
Could be setting up a sequel where he has to deal with the consequences of his actions.
 
2013-06-30 08:21:52 PM  

DoomPaul: So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?


It's not really a laser is it. More along the lines of a cloud or beam that disintegrates Kryptonians. I don't remember their weapons punching holes in their ship, do you?
 
2013-06-30 08:25:25 PM  

Molavian: Thank f*ck they rebooted it again, unlike when I saw that Bryan Singer abortion of a movie.

I absolutely loved this one.


Same here. Great movie, despite it being a Superman movie.
 
2013-06-30 08:32:17 PM  
The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.
 
2013-06-30 08:34:58 PM  

DoomPaul: So the Kryptonian lasers are extremely powerful and even injure Superman and kill the super-powered Kryptonians with a single hit. Yet Lois Lane gets hit in the gut with a laser blast, goes flying back and is ok? What? Also, the black hole sucks in Zod's ship and everything around it...except for Lois Lane which is somehow impervious to a black hole's gravity well?


I've seen the movie twice and I don't recall Lois getting hit with one of the lasers, I'll see it a third time to see that.  I do remember that she was struck by the robot tentacles that was protecting the scout ship.  And as far as the Black holes gravity not taking her in Superman flew up and caught her, then struggled as he was trying to get away from the pull of the gravity.  It is amazing that you caught the scene that she got hit with a blaster and I missed it but you miss the whole Superman saving the day and I catch that.
 
2013-06-30 08:35:57 PM  

mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.


So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.
 
2013-06-30 08:35:57 PM  

Detriment: [www.blogcdn.com image 450x338]
Yeah Man of Steel was awful. We needed more polar bears, giant spiders, and a living super suit. At least he wouldn't have KILLED anyone and stained the legacy of such an icon.


Don't forget the butler in the Fortress of Solitude.

Seriously tho, the wife and I watched it on Friday.  It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.  It was okay in Serenity because it wasn't too overused.  Doing it in every scene?  You're going to wind up with upchucked popcorn on the floor.

Star Trek had such extreme closeups you could tell what pores on Chris Pine's face were clogged.

/saw both in IMAX, but still....
 
2013-06-30 08:37:45 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Comics, Superman killed the alternate universe Zod for the genocide of that universes Earth.  An act that destroyed Superman emotionally for a long time.  Just like when in the movie he snapped Zods neck he screamed out in what was almost pain.
 
2013-06-30 08:40:40 PM  
fanboys are going to be butthurt NO MATTER WHAT. unbind your panties, and meet some members of the opposite gender without being a creeper.
 
2013-06-30 08:41:14 PM  

Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.


No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.
 
2013-06-30 08:41:17 PM  

enry: It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.


THIS. It's a piss poor director who doesn't know when NOT to use camera motion gimmicks. In the intimate scenes (talking to Mom on the porch, etc.) the camera was moving around like some reality show camera crew, instead of stationary as it should have been to give the audience the necessary 'fly on the wall' perspective intimated scenes require.
 
2013-06-30 08:43:40 PM  

PacificaFitz: EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).

Comics, Superman killed the alternate universe Zod for the genocide of that universes Earth.  An act that destroyed Superman emotionally for a long time.  Just like when in the movie he snapped Zods neck he screamed out in what was almost pain.


People seeing the world through the rose colored glasses of childhood memory seem to forget things:

static.comicvine.com
 
2013-06-30 08:44:18 PM  

mongbiohazard: Kyosuke: mongbiohazard: The wife and I got back an hour ago from seeing it.  This Superman movie wasn't good... it was GREAT. It was absolutely fantastic and I can't recommend it enough. I farking choked up at one point... and the superhero battling was pure winsauce.

I've read a few interesting Superman stories here and there, but overall the character and comics generally bored the crap out of me. It was the silly god fantasy of some kid in the 30's. Outside of a few interesting takes on the character some talented people did over the years (Red Son, Kingdom Come, etc.) it always seemed stupid to me, and largely devoid of tension. In most stories Superman is basically an invincible god, and he's always going to win.

But this... Real drama, great performances and tweaks to the mythos that just made a whole lot of sense. I was truly impressed. I'm only pissed it took us so long to find the time to see it now. Great, great movie. Can't wait to watch it again.

So basically what you watched saw Superman in name only.

No, basically I watched a Superman that finally didn't play out like what my grandpa would pay $.05 to see back in the 1940's, or that my 6 year old nephew would write today.

I saw a Superman where someone actually gave enough of a crap to make a good movie out of the character, and not just make another lame movie because the filmmaker either had no understanding of what might actually make the character interesting or was afraid of pissing off people whose recollections are blurred with the unrealistic romanticism of selective childhood memory.


But Superman the character is already long established. Using just the character name and rough backstory in order to acquired funding to make the movie doesn't make it a Superman movie. It's just another screenplay written by someone without the creative ability to come up with their own characters.
 
2013-06-30 08:46:17 PM  
By making him entertaining?
 
2013-06-30 08:46:26 PM  
The film was as good as zack could make it, the man is extremely limited as a director. speaking of direction, someone edit the fark out this film, it doesnt need to be lotr length, it should clock in around 90 minutes. Almost every scene dragged on several seconds too long, yes we get it you spent a lot of money on this but we dont need to see every rendered second of it.

Overall it was a decent reboot of the franchise, and gave us the origin story and zod, and several nods of the comics. If they can somehow make it through a second film without a luthor real estate scheme I'd say they are exceeding my low expectations.

/id still like an apology for green lantern
 
2013-06-30 08:46:27 PM  
Yeah, how awful.

Even worse, this movie is the ONLY MEDIUM in which the character is depicted. No other movies, no novels, animated features, comic books, video games, etc.

Jus this ONE movie. And it ruined everything. FOREVER.
 
2013-06-30 08:48:16 PM  
I dont get the negative reactions.  Any true Superman fan will tell you that he had to learn to discipline each and every "power" he has.  In this movie they don't show Superman as a sentinel being that is perfect in every way. He learns his destiny right as the villains show up.  And these weren't just your "Lex Luthor" type villains, these were super powered bad guys hell bent on destroying Earth as a punishment to Kal El for something Jor El did. Zod is a General.  He was bred to protect Kryptonian heritage at all cost, and he was more than willing to destroy all of Earth to do it.  People act like Superman CHOSE to have the fight in the streets of Smallville, or the streets of Metropolis.  Zod gave him no choice.  If Superman had b-lined it to the desert in hope that Zod would chase him Zod would have just started killing everyone in sight.  Zod chose to take the fight to Metropolis.  Zod chose to give Superman the chose of letting an innocent family die or kill Zod.  This movie rocked, and all the bs reasons people are coming up with that it doesn't is just that, BS.


My rant is over, dissect me please.
 
2013-06-30 08:49:35 PM  

Kyosuke: enry: It was entertaining, but for the love of dog, please stop the random zooming cinematography.

THIS. It's a piss poor director who doesn't know when NOT to use camera motion gimmicks. In the intimate scenes (talking to Mom on the porch, etc.) the camera was moving around like some reality show camera crew, instead of stationary as it should have been to give the audience the necessary 'fly on the wall' perspective intimated scenes require.


second this, saw it the second time and this really annoyed me.
 
2013-06-30 08:50:18 PM  
"How hyperbolic headlines bring more traffic to my shiatty blog".


FTFY.
 
2013-06-30 08:52:20 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


So this is your first exposure to Superman? He's killed countless people in the comics.
 
2013-06-30 08:53:45 PM  
I know it's not canon, or at least it's not canon the way the movies aren't canon to the comics, but Clark killed villains on Smallville.

Or at least one, Titan.  I forget the season but I'm sure you could Google "Smallville" and "Titan" and find it.
And no one cried about that!!

Man of Steel was fantastic.
 
2013-06-30 08:56:45 PM  
It was Boring.
 
2013-06-30 08:57:18 PM  
Superman: the comic character every 3 year old creates and then is disappointed to find out they were beaten to the punch
 
2013-06-30 09:00:27 PM  
Did anybody else catch the split second cameo of Christopher Reeve in Man of Steel? I knew I saw it and it's been confirmed now.

Link
 
2013-06-30 09:00:30 PM  

EnviroDude: Superman broke the neck of Zod.  I can't say I have seen where this has happened before (deliberately killing a villain).


Won't Zod come back to life after he is exposed to the yellow sun? Like superman?
 
2013-06-30 09:01:50 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: Snyder's Superman film didn't involve yet another Lex Luthor land scheme or a flying-around-the-world-in-reverse scene. It was fun and satisfying and laid the groundwork for a decent series.


Yet it involved Zod's land scheme (terraforming is land scheme).

At least it didn't involve Superman's amnesiac kiss.
 
2013-06-30 09:02:09 PM  
I thought Doomsday killed Superman?
 
2013-06-30 09:04:47 PM  
Loved the Batman movies (although I thought the last one was the weakest of the three) but I really hated Man of Steel.  In fact, I hated it the more I thought about it.  Don't blame DC for wanting to go in a different direction, but I just think that direction was wrong.
 
2013-06-30 09:07:49 PM  
MoS is a lot like The Phantom Menace: The character development is crap and the script is pedestrian at best, but it had a HECK of a lightsaber fight, so the movie will rake in millions.
 
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