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2013-06-30 07:12:43 PM
We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.
 
2013-06-30 07:14:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.


Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?
 
2013-06-30 07:15:16 PM
Wow, that sure was derogatory. The nerve of that man pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation in which Tom Corbett receives health care while many PA residents can't afford it. Truly, this man is a monster and should be locked away in gitmo.

/I weep for this country
 
2013-06-30 07:21:20 PM
Bank of 'Murica. It sure showed who owns the police and courts in that area.
Next up will be sending people to prison for spitting on the public sidewalk. Its SHARIA LAW!

/Little known fact: The governors mansion is public property. And very technically, so is anything the taxpayer pays for. The keys for the front door of Koch industries is under the 'get lost ya filthy peasants' door mat.

//Chalk is such a terrorist weapon: "Governor Corbett has health insurance, we should too." . Maybe its time to outlaw schools where little kids learn all these ways of wrecking the corporate machine.
 
2013-06-30 07:22:43 PM
Ah, good old disorderly conduct. The most vague and abused charge to ever exist.
 
2013-06-30 07:25:58 PM

mpirooz: Ah, good old disorderly conduct. The most vague and abused charge to ever exist.


It sounds like you are resisting arrest with that kind of attitude.
 
2013-06-30 07:27:11 PM
That was fast.

Atter all it took decades to catch and charge Sandusksky.
 
2013-06-30 07:30:51 PM
ZOMG!!  TERRORISTS!!

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-06-30 07:36:07 PM
s4da3dac2ed514.img.gostorego.com

/encouraging future vandals.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:10 PM

sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?


Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.
 
2013-06-30 07:42:53 PM

AngryDragon: ZOMG!!  TERRORISTS!!


Funny that people went from the reality "disorderly conduct charge" to trying to link it to terrorism to make a point...and fail at making it.
 
2013-06-30 07:43:39 PM
THIRTEEN YEARS? For writing on the sidewalk with chalk? I guess we're really trying to compete with Saudi Arabia these days.
 
2013-06-30 07:44:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-06-30 07:45:08 PM

fusillade762: THIRTEEN YEARS? For writing on the sidewalk with chalk? I guess we're really trying to compete with Saudi Arabia these days.


Anymore it seems like the US is just the world's wealthiest third world country.
 
2013-06-30 07:46:40 PM
These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.
 
2013-06-30 07:49:41 PM
PA has the toughest chalk registration laws in the country.  A Concealed Carry permit takes three years to get and most consider it the equivalent of the first year at Harvard Law.

Kevlar is working furiously to build in Free Speech protection into the vests.

It's no coincidence that former PA Gov Tom Ridge was chosen first director of Homeland Security -- his work in combating chalk terrorism set him head and shoulders above anyone really qualified.
 
2013-06-30 07:50:57 PM

dryknife: These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.


It would be very uncomfortable to sit in a chair for the rest of your life.

Permits. How do they work?
 
2013-06-30 07:54:13 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: dryknife: These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.

It would be very uncomfortable to sit in a chair for the rest of your life.

Permits. How do they work?


Papers, bitte.

What, no papers?  That'll be 15 years in jail.
 
2013-06-30 07:59:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.


THe kids on my block are terrorists. Send them to GITMO!
 
2013-06-30 07:59:12 PM
Draw on the public sidewalk with some chalk,

tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.


No kidding.  Just ask the homeowners who came home to padlocked doors and rotten food from BfoA foreclosing on the wrong house.  But I'm sure the $500 penalty they got will more than make up for those temporary damages.

//hoping the foreman of the jury declares the man completely innocent while giving the district attorney a skank eye that will make him or her wish that they'd never dragged this case into a public court in the first place.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:05 PM
Chalk it up as another limitation on free speech.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:16 PM

sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: dryknife: These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.

It would be very uncomfortable to sit in a chair for the rest of your life.

Permits. How do they work?

Papers, bitte.

What, no papers?  That'll be 15 years in jail.


Nice to see how many people react poorly to the over reach of the government and their quest to create more and more laws and more restrictions and more permit requirements

so many tea party people here.
Cool.
 
2013-06-30 08:03:43 PM
twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-30 08:04:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.


So flyers on cars or on doors is "vandalism"?
 
2013-06-30 08:04:43 PM

Zeppelininthesky: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.

THe kids on my block are terrorists. Send them to GITMO!


How do you go from a disorderly conduct charge that this guy is facing to accusations of terrorism?

Hyperbole much?
 
2013-06-30 08:07:42 PM

pueblonative: Draw on the public sidewalk with some chalk, tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.

No kidding.  Just ask the homeowners who came home to padlocked doors and rotten food from BfoA foreclosing on the wrong house.  But I'm sure the $500 penalty they got will more than make up for those temporary damages.

//hoping the foreman of the jury declares the man completely innocent while giving the district attorney a skank eye that will make him or her wish that they'd never dragged this case into a public court in the first place.


If I was the defense attorney, I'd call the DA as a witness (you can do that in CA, dunno about Pennsylvania) and start my line of questioning like this:

You have kids, counselor?
Do they ever play hopscotch on the sidewalk?
What about other neighborhood children, do they play hopscotch?
Have you seen children writing on the sidewalk with chalk?
And at schools, have you seen that done before? Grade school? Middle school?
What is your record for charging juveniles with disorderly conduct for playing hopscotch? With vandalism?
And what was your rationale for such charges? Or for not filing charges?

Hopefully, by then he'd either be dead of shame or I'd be arrested on contempt charges; but the point would be made.
 
2013-06-30 08:09:59 PM
That's how the Civil War started, with chalk. At Harpers Ferry.
Look it up.

/States Rights!
 
2013-06-30 08:13:08 PM

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.

So flyers on cars or on doors is "vandalism"?


Generally flyers on cars is covered as a business solicitation.  If you put a flyer on a car in a parking lot that has a no solicitation sign you can be cited.
If too many people through the flyer on the ground, you can also be charged with littering.

Some cities have stricter rules, some have loser rules.
 
2013-06-30 08:13:51 PM
throw, not through.

ftfm
 
2013-06-30 08:13:59 PM

dryknife: [twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 801x615]


See now that is terrorism. He blew a hole right in the middle of the ground!
 
2013-06-30 08:17:00 PM

Gyrfalcon: pueblonative: Draw on the public sidewalk with some chalk, tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.

No kidding.  Just ask the homeowners who came home to padlocked doors and rotten food from BfoA foreclosing on the wrong house.  But I'm sure the $500 penalty they got will more than make up for those temporary damages.

//hoping the foreman of the jury declares the man completely innocent while giving the district attorney a skank eye that will make him or her wish that they'd never dragged this case into a public court in the first place.

If I was the defense attorney, I'd call the DA as a witness (you can do that in CA, dunno about Pennsylvania) and start my line of questioning like this:

You have kids, counselor?
Do they ever play hopscotch on the sidewalk?
What about other neighborhood children, do they play hopscotch?
Have you seen children writing on the sidewalk with chalk?
And at schools, have you seen that done before? Grade school? Middle school?
What is your record for charging juveniles with disorderly conduct for playing hopscotch? With vandalism?
And what was your rationale for such charges? Or for not filing charges?



And the reply would be to the defense attorney "have you ever turned yourself in for driving 1 mile above the speed limit?  Or for jaywalking?  No?  Okay, we should not have speed limits then if you aren't willing to enforce them."
 
2013-06-30 08:21:31 PM

mpirooz: Ah, good old disorderly conduct. The most vague and abused charge to ever exist.


Obstruction of justice would like a word.
 
2013-06-30 08:22:39 PM
Glad to see so many big, burly, manly, muscular, bootstrappy, rugged-individualists in the modern GOP. They don't need no stinkin' Big Brother government to take care of them; there's a reason they're so rugged!

What's that? Dude got his feelings hurt cause a plebe made a bumper sticker point with sidewalk chalk? Help! Government! S-O-S! 9-1-1! Won't somebody think of the echo chamber? I mean, that message might be there for minutes, or worse, hours.

At what point, exactly, did the GOP turn into a bunch of pants-wetting cowards?
 
2013-06-30 08:24:31 PM
Wow - the derp brigade is out in force on this one. Someone in PA must be paying big bucks for the GOP shills.
 
2013-06-30 08:28:22 PM

DeArmondVI: Glad to see so many big, burly, manly, muscular, bootstrappy, rugged-individualists in the modern GOP. They don't need no stinkin' Big Brother government to take care of them; there's a reason they're so rugged!

What's that? Dude got his feelings hurt cause a plebe made a bumper sticker point with sidewalk chalk? ]


Where in TFA does it say that the Governor had anything to do with this?
Don't get so butt hurt that a vandal got a citation. 
I don't know what else he did to get the disorderly conduct charge.
 
2013-06-30 08:42:18 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: DeArmondVI: Glad to see so many big, burly, manly, muscular, bootstrappy, rugged-individualists in the modern GOP. They don't need no stinkin' Big Brother government to take care of them; there's a reason they're so rugged!

What's that? Dude got his feelings hurt cause a plebe made a bumper sticker point with sidewalk chalk? ]

Where in TFA does it say that the Governor had anything to do with this?
Don't get so butt hurt that a vandal got a citation.
I don't know what else he did to get the disorderly conduct charge.


It's fascinating to see an authoritarian hard at work*. Sidewalk chalk == vandalism. "He must have done something else though, because clearly nobody would charge him with disorderly conduct simply for sidewalk chalk."

Where in the article does it mention anything else having been done? Does it really excite you to consider the prospect of tossing ideological opponents in jail? I mean, you're willing to accept sidewalk chalk as justification for repressing descent. Way to take your art to a new level.

*yeah, yeah, I know who I'm replying to
 
2013-06-30 08:45:24 PM

dryknife: [twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 801x615]


Still just blows my mind....
 
2013-06-30 08:54:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: dryknife: These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.

It would be very uncomfortable to sit in a chair for the rest of your life.

Permits. How do they work?

Papers, bitte.

What, no papers?  That'll be 15 years in jail.

Nice to see how many people react poorly to the over reach of the government and their quest to create more and more laws and more restrictions and more permit requirements

so many tea party people here.
Cool.


I'm not sure that's really a Tea Party plank.
 
2013-06-30 08:56:10 PM

DeArmondVI: tenpoundsofcheese: DeArmondVI: Glad to see so many big, burly, manly, muscular, bootstrappy, rugged-individualists in the modern GOP. They don't need no stinkin' Big Brother government to take care of them; there's a reason they're so rugged!

What's that? Dude got his feelings hurt cause a plebe made a bumper sticker point with sidewalk chalk? ]

Where in TFA does it say that the Governor had anything to do with this?
Don't get so butt hurt that a vandal got a citation.
I don't know what else he did to get the disorderly conduct charge.

It's fascinating to see an authoritarian hard at work*. Sidewalk chalk == vandalism. "He must have done something else though, because clearly nobody would charge him with disorderly conduct simply for sidewalk chalk."

Where in the article does it mention anything else having been done? Does it really excite you to consider the prospect of tossing ideological opponents in jail? I mean, you're willing to accept sidewalk chalk as justification for repressing dissent. Way to take your art to a new level.

*yeah, yeah, I know who I'm replying to


FTFY
 
2013-06-30 08:58:19 PM
Remember when descent was the highest form of patriotic?  Good times.
 
2013-06-30 09:04:07 PM

sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: dryknife: These people that do the 3D sidewalk art should get life in the electric chair.

It would be very uncomfortable to sit in a chair for the rest of your life.

Permits. How do they work?

Papers, bitte.

What, no papers?  That'll be 15 years in jail.

Nice to see how many people react poorly to the over reach of the government and their quest to create more and more laws and more restrictions and more permit requirements

so many tea party people here.
Cool.

I'm not sure that's really a Tea Party plank.


small government.
less burdensome regulations.
 
2013-06-30 09:07:56 PM

Corvus: tenpoundsofcheese: sendtodave: tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.

The charge is "disorderly conduct".
Sounds right.

Go buy a sign or a sandwich board and knock yourself out protesting.

Sidewalk chalk is vandalism?

Yes
Falls Under the category of defacing property

The defacement doesn't have to be permanent nor does it have to cause damage.

So flyers on cars or on doors is "vandalism"?


Nope. Littering, and possibly trespass
 
2013-06-30 09:09:43 PM
Why is a guy in California in Pennsylvania protesting an internal state decision?  And what does Bank of America have to do with Medicaid expansion?
 
2013-06-30 09:12:13 PM

DeArmondVI: tenpoundsofcheese: DeArmondVI: Glad to see so many big, burly, manly, muscular, bootstrappy, rugged-individualists in the modern GOP. They don't need no stinkin' Big Brother government to take care of them; there's a reason they're so rugged!

What's that? Dude got his feelings hurt cause a plebe made a bumper sticker point with sidewalk chalk? ]

Where in TFA does it say that the Governor had anything to do with this?
Don't get so butt hurt that a vandal got a citation.
I don't know what else he did to get the disorderly conduct charge.

It's fascinating to see an authoritarian hard at work*. Sidewalk chalk == vandalism.


Yes.  By definition defacing someone else's or public property is vandalism.  It is fascinating that people don't know that.

"He must have done something else though, because clearly nobody would charge him with disorderly conduct simply for sidewalk chalk."

No one said that.  I said I don't know what else he did to get a disorderly conduct charge.  It could have been nothing.  It could have been bothering the people around the chalk work.  The article doesn't say.

Does it really excite you to consider the prospect of tossing ideological opponents in jail?


No.  I don't know what his ideology is.  Seems a fine is appropriate, I don't see jail time as appropriate.

I mean, you're willing to accept sidewalk chalk as justification for repressing descent. Way to take your art to a new level.

Given all the means available for protest , signs, websites, blogs, editorials, forums, and so on, vandalism is not appropriate.

*yeah, yeah, I know who I'm replying to

Apparently not.

As far as "repressing descent" - he is doing fine managing his own "descent" - he needs no help from anyone.
WTF are you talking about?
 
2013-06-30 09:12:17 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Remember when descent was the highest form of patriotic?  Good times.


Ascension has always been the highest form of patriotism.
 
2013-06-30 09:13:23 PM
I wish I had 1/100th of the freedom of speech that conservatives enjoy.  They go to protests strapped with weapons and carrying signs threatening the President, and the conversation is "What?  It's his right!  This is America!"  If I write a protest-message in water-soluble chalk on a public sidewalk, the conversation is "BURY HIM UNDER THE JAIL!  TERRORIST!"
 
2013-06-30 09:13:30 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: We should not tolerate vandalism like that.


No shiat.  Sounds like the commie got off easy.  No pepper spray?  No truncheon to the noggin?

Goddam hippies don't learn any other way.

kvny.com

HEY, VANDAL!!!!  YES YOU!!  STEP AWAY FROM THE CHALK, PUNK!!

/f*cking kids these days...
 
2013-06-30 09:15:28 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Remember when descent was the highest form of patriotic?  Good times.


Remember when people were educated enough to know the difference between "descent" and "dissent" ?
Good times.

Also, wtf do you mean by "form of patriotic" ?  Form of patriotic what?
 
2013-06-30 09:18:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Remember when people were educated enough to know the difference between "descent" and "dissent" ?


You mean, before the teabaggers left the comfort of their Barcaloungers and took to the streets?

Yeah, I remember...good times
 
2013-06-30 09:19:07 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I wish I had 1/100th of the freedom of speech that conservatives enjoy.  They go to protests strapped with weapons


If they have a permit, it is allowed.  Deal with it.

and carrying signs threatening the President, and the conversation is "What?  It's his right!

No, that is wrong.  No one has the right to threaten the President.  If someone did, they should be dealt with by the FBI.

This is America!"  If I write a protest-message in water-soluble chalk on a public sidewalk, the conversation is "BURY HIM UNDER THE JAIL!  TERRORIST!"

Yeah, that is exactly what the response has been.
Do you really not understand the difference between carrying a sign and vandalizing a sidewalk with chalk?
 
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