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(Sun Sentinel)   Looks like it's time to have national discussion about EpiPen control   (sun-sentinel.com ) divider line
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15682 clicks; posted to Main » on 30 Jun 2013 at 11:32 AM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-06-30 10:43:18 AM  
6 votes:
There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt
drp
2013-06-30 04:57:37 PM  
2 votes:

spidermilk: No. It sounds like that is something caled Mark I NAAK which contains neurotransmitters I'm not really familiar with. IANAD. If they give you something that speeds up your heart to counteract a nerve agent that has slowed your heart then it can speed up your heart too fast. The heart doesn't fill and thus it can't pump- and you die. I don't know how nerve gas or the antidotes work, but that is just an idea of why it might kill you if you took it without the nerve gas.


Nerve gases like sarin and VX are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, same thing as most pesticides.  They cause victims to have an excess of acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter that is mainly part of the autonomic nervous system.  Effects are slow heart rate, saliva production, urination, defecation, bronchoconstriction, muscle spasms, kind of an unpleasant way to go.

The .mil treatment kits have atropine (an anticholinergic) to oppose the effects of the nerve gas.  2PAM is pralidoxime, which (simplified) pulls the nerve agent off the receptor site on the enzyme, restoring its function.

Some nerve agents (soman) bind irreveribly to the acetylcholinesterase enzyme, so 2PAM is ineffective.  If soman is a threat, sometimes pyridostigmine is prescribed and taken every day as a preventive measure.  Pyridostigmine is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor itself, though a mild one, and its purpose is to compete with the far more potent soman and 'protect' some of the enzymes by temporarily blocking them.  Soman comes along, can't totally wipe out all the enzymes because the pyridostigmine is in the way.  Clever idea, though people generally hate taking it because it makes you feel like shiat, as if you got a tiny dose of the nerve gas ... 'cause that's what it is.

Pyridostigmine is what US troops were taking during the first gulf war, because it was felt that Saddam had and might use soman.  It's been blamed by some for gulf war syndrome but I don't think any real data ever emerged to support that.

As for a person who's not having an allergic reaction who gets an injection of epinephrine from an EpiPen, it's not a good idea.  Dumb, actually.  If you're young and healthy, you'll likely be fine.  Your heart rate will probably hit 150+ and your blood pressure might reach 200/ or 250/ systolic, but if you're young and healthy, your body can take it.  Other people who aren't so young and healthy would be at risk for heart attacks or strokes.  Epinephrine is very potent and an EpiPen injects a lot of it, usually into a muscle body or fat, where uptake isn't instant, but if you're unlucky enough to tap a blood vessel, hang on.

It won't make you high.  The "adrenalin rush" the knucklehead upthread was looking for with the expired EpiPen is the euphoria or excitement people associate with riding a roller coaster or going bungie jumping.  A hit of actual adrenaline will produce rapid hypertension and tachycardia, a pretty damn uncomfortable sensation.
2013-06-30 11:42:48 AM  
2 votes:
If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.
2013-06-30 05:33:53 PM  
1 vote:

jayphat: Jesus, all these posts and everyone missed the key takeaway from this. The guy applied for a farking credit card for a fake company and was granted it. With a huge ass credit limit to boot. And here I am, with the same bank for 15 years, and they think I'm too big of a risk because of my delinquent accounts from when my wife was unemployed. And I clear 60K a year on my own. Jackwads.


Rip off a bank: go to jail. Bank rips off you: *crickets*
2013-06-30 05:24:19 PM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt

Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.

Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.


Sick burn, Kelso.
2013-06-30 12:50:50 PM  
1 vote:

Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt


Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.


SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.


Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP


If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.
2013-06-30 12:29:14 PM  
1 vote:
Aren't you supposed to stick it in your thigh?  Trying to EpiPen your neck just sounds like it would hurt.  More.
2013-06-30 12:22:32 PM  
1 vote:

zamboni: spidermilk: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Is this stuff similar to the pen they distributed when our troops were going up against Saddam's massive reserves of nerve gas? (Heh.) Seems like they said that if you used it... and you weren't getting nerve gassed IT would kill you. (Quick get this man some nerve gas or else he'll die!!!)


No. It sounds like that is something caled Mark I NAAK which contains neurotransmitters I'm not really familiar with. IANAD. If they give you something that speeds up your heart to counteract a nerve agent that has slowed your heart then it can speed up your heart too fast. The heart doesn't fill and thus it can't pump- and you die. I don't know how nerve gas or the antidotes work, but that is just an idea of why it might kill you if you took it without the nerve gas.
2013-06-30 12:14:03 PM  
1 vote:
Is this really what our founding fathers envisioned when they wrote the Constitution?
2013-06-30 12:11:42 PM  
1 vote:

RogermcAllen: FTA:
"
Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,
Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.
He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me.  If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest?  I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off.  Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?


Stand your ground doesn't apply if you are in the process of committing a crime or are resisting the lawful commands of a law enforcement officer.

The article used "stand your ground" so many times, its hard to think that there isn't some implied agenda on the part of the author.
2013-06-30 12:09:35 PM  
1 vote:
Used his own address and cell phone number. Real criminal mastermind here.
2013-06-30 12:08:02 PM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com
2013-06-30 12:06:11 PM  
1 vote:
FTA:
"
Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,
Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.
He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me.  If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest?  I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off.  Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?
2013-06-30 11:57:10 AM  
1 vote:
You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP
2013-06-30 11:55:51 AM  
1 vote:
Wait, so did he give himself the epinephrine in an effort to Hulk out? Epinephrine = Adrenalin. Sounds like it didn't work out. Should have tried PCP if he wanted to go down fighting the cops.
2013-06-30 11:55:03 AM  
1 vote:
Kids with life-threatening allergies have criminal tendencies.  Lock 'em up before they snap.
2013-06-30 11:52:48 AM  
1 vote:
We can't discuss while the tragedy is so recent. We, as a nation, have to have time to heal first.
2013-06-30 11:49:48 AM  
1 vote:

SphericalTime: He's cute though.


I'm sure his fellow prisoners will think so.
2013-06-30 11:44:47 AM  
1 vote:
So, how's that "do anything you have to for money" thing working out, you incredible dumbass?
2013-06-30 11:42:57 AM  
1 vote:
ARRRRRGGGGG!

Do you know how hard you have to stab yourself to make an Epi Pen work? Seriously, they give you a "trainer" pen without a needle, and the instructions involve the words "swing your arm around with force".

I still have bruises from the damn trainer pen. I've not needed to use my actual Epi Pen yet, but I'm fully aware that it's not just a little pin prick. It's a punch with a needle at the end.

In the neck? *shudders* REPEATEDLY? *passes out*
2013-06-30 11:40:47 AM  
1 vote:
Nice to hear from another infowars.com enthusiast.
 
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