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2013-06-30 02:15:59 PM

Marlys: Oldiron_79: Actully the US has tighter controls on epipens than Canada, EU, Japan, etc. They require a prescription in US they are OTC elsewhere.

I'm in Canada, and need a prescription.

In relation to the article, you would need to have altered the epipen somehow to be swinging it around with a needle sticking out. The spring loaded delivery system covers the needle the instant after it injects the medicine. It isn't hanging out of the device at all, ever.

My son injected himself in that quick, silent way that little kids get into shiat that they're not supposed to. Had to go to the hospital to monitor his crazy high heartbeat. It went down after about 45 minutes. The injection site was extremely painful and bruised. It constricts the blood vessels at the site a lot. The most common epipen injury is someone hitting their fingers or palm trying to inject someone. Worst case scenario you could lose a finger due to the circulation being cut off for too long.


As of a few years ago they was OTC in Canada anyways they may have changed it to match US
 
2013-06-30 02:23:21 PM
Peacock? More like Giraffe, amirite? Quit shooting steroids in your neck, kid.
 
2013-06-30 02:24:56 PM
Tried to get an officers gun from the holster...lucky he didnt get a lead injection.
 
2013-06-30 02:26:24 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?


I dunno, I injected myself with one for fun once and it didn't seem to do anything. Didn't really get an "adrenaline rush" or anything. Pretty disappointing. It was a month past the expiration date, which was why someone gave it to me, but I would assume that like most drugs it doesn't just magically stop working on that date. It doesn't hurt either though. No worse than a quick charley horse to the thigh.given by a loving sibling.
 
2013-06-30 02:36:05 PM
Apparently if you arent having a reaction they can get you wicked high.

I knew a girlie in HS that was allergic to 12 different things and she told me it was one hell of a rush.

I had no idea Epi Pens were so pricey -- i got one for the summer cause my apiary working brother inlaw kindly informed me bee alergies are one of those things that can just happen. You can get stung one day and be fine and get stung the next day and choke right out. For people working alone they should be a mandatory part of a first aid kit. (imho) I got the pen cause it takes a helicopter atleast 45 mins to come and drag my ass to a hospital. Better safe then sorry. the damn thing cost me 100 bucks... Better than getting whupped by some bug out in the middle of nowhere though.
 
2013-06-30 02:50:05 PM

calbert: sucks to your ass-mar


Ha, ha. Niiiice.
 
2013-06-30 02:59:24 PM

mikefinch: Apparently if you arent having a reaction they can get you wicked high.

I knew a girlie in HS that was allergic to 12 different things and she told me it was one hell of a rush.

I had no idea Epi Pens were so pricey -- i got one for the summer cause my apiary working brother inlaw kindly informed me bee alergies are one of those things that can just happen. You can get stung one day and be fine and get stung the next day and choke right out. For people working alone they should be a mandatory part of a first aid kit. (imho) I got the pen cause it takes a helicopter atleast 45 mins to come and drag my ass to a hospital. Better safe then sorry. the damn thing cost me 100 bucks... Better than getting whupped by some bug out in the middle of nowhere though.


Snake bites you can also spontaniously become allergic to, although that doesnt usually happen unless you recieved antivenin.
 
2013-06-30 03:11:10 PM

Oldiron_79: Marlys: Oldiron_79: Actully the US has tighter controls on epipens than Canada, EU, Japan, etc. They require a prescription in US they are OTC elsewhere.

I'm in Canada, and need a prescription.

In relation to the article, you would need to have altered the epipen somehow to be swinging it around with a needle sticking out. The spring loaded delivery system covers the needle the instant after it injects the medicine. It isn't hanging out of the device at all, ever.

My son injected himself in that quick, silent way that little kids get into shiat that they're not supposed to. Had to go to the hospital to monitor his crazy high heartbeat. It went down after about 45 minutes. The injection site was extremely painful and bruised. It constricts the blood vessels at the site a lot. The most common epipen injury is someone hitting their fingers or palm trying to inject someone. Worst case scenario you could lose a finger due to the circulation being cut off for too long.

As of a few years ago they was OTC in Canada anyways they may have changed it to match US


I live in southern Ontario, and have had to have a script for an epipen for the last 20 years.
 
2013-06-30 03:22:36 PM

Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt


You're a gun nut?
 
2013-06-30 03:30:58 PM

StoPPeRmobile: spidermilk: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?

Epinphrine is a neurotransmitter your body makes. It is the same thing as Adrenaline. Epinephrine does a shiat load of things in your body. The basics are that your body shifts from resting/digesting mode to fighting/moving mode. Your heart beats faster, your lungs dilate, your arteries constrict (which prevents the swelling that an anaphylactic reaction would cause that would kill you), it releases glucose (so your body can make energy) into your blood stream.

So, our body is constantly using ephinephrine and other hormones and neurotransmitters to regulate most body functions. So it would really do something. I'm not sure if it is particularly bad for you unless you have specific heart defects/conditions- it is my understanding that it can kill these people.

Get some dental work done to find out.


This. "No Epinephrine" is written on my dental charts in large block letters.  Unfortunately, I also have a severe allergy to capsaicin, so after an accidental ingestion (salsa mix-up on my Mexican lunch order) landed me in the ER, they had to give me epi.  Carefully.  Not a fun afternoon.
 
2013-06-30 03:44:52 PM
What was his first name ?  Cause it could have been Drew,  Drew Peacock,  Droopy Cock,  nevermind.
 
2013-06-30 04:01:56 PM

AngryDragon: Stand your ground doesn't apply if you are in the process of committing a crime or are resisting the lawful commands of a law enforcement officer.

The article used "stand your ground" so many times, its hard to think that there isn't some implied agenda on the part of the author.


Noticed the same thing.  Pretty coincidental otherwise.
 
2013-06-30 04:02:39 PM

Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt


Except gun control nut butthurt.
 
2013-06-30 04:02:46 PM

LordOfThePings:


Finally.

/farkers, u be slippin'
 
2013-06-30 04:03:01 PM
Well, at least *his* pin worked the way it was supposed to.  The only time I had to use the pen in the last 2 years was a failure. I found myself in a yellow jacket nest while doing yard work. I thought "AAAGGGGHHH!!" and then remembered the EpiPen. I went to the medicine cabinet and grabbed the device. I stuck it on my leg and cringed while waiting for the "pop"... but nothing happened.  I go again, cringing.. nothing. I change injection sites and keep cringing waiting for the pen to work. After I work myself up to a full fledged panic attack just thinking about the needle each time I hit the button, my neighbor had to take me to the ER for all of the insect stings.

On the bright side... freaking about with anxiety waiting for the pen to work probably kept me from going into anaphylactic shock.
 
2013-06-30 04:40:20 PM

bwilson27: Is this where the GOP passes legislation defunding study for epipens and makes them illegal because of family values and Jesus?
/dnrtfa


No, the Jehovah's Witnesses haven't taken over the GOP. Yet.
 
2013-06-30 04:57:08 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Would an epipen do anything to you if you weren't already having a reaction to something? It can't be good for you but would it really do anything?


I've had medical epi injected as part of an oral surgery, and it made me very, very nervous... that's what it does on its own at the dose that was administered. When you get it naturally from your body there is a bit more going on than when you get X amount injected directly into a muscle. Epi will give you that fight or flight feeling.
 
drp
2013-06-30 04:57:37 PM

spidermilk: No. It sounds like that is something caled Mark I NAAK which contains neurotransmitters I'm not really familiar with. IANAD. If they give you something that speeds up your heart to counteract a nerve agent that has slowed your heart then it can speed up your heart too fast. The heart doesn't fill and thus it can't pump- and you die. I don't know how nerve gas or the antidotes work, but that is just an idea of why it might kill you if you took it without the nerve gas.


Nerve gases like sarin and VX are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, same thing as most pesticides.  They cause victims to have an excess of acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter that is mainly part of the autonomic nervous system.  Effects are slow heart rate, saliva production, urination, defecation, bronchoconstriction, muscle spasms, kind of an unpleasant way to go.

The .mil treatment kits have atropine (an anticholinergic) to oppose the effects of the nerve gas.  2PAM is pralidoxime, which (simplified) pulls the nerve agent off the receptor site on the enzyme, restoring its function.

Some nerve agents (soman) bind irreveribly to the acetylcholinesterase enzyme, so 2PAM is ineffective.  If soman is a threat, sometimes pyridostigmine is prescribed and taken every day as a preventive measure.  Pyridostigmine is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor itself, though a mild one, and its purpose is to compete with the far more potent soman and 'protect' some of the enzymes by temporarily blocking them.  Soman comes along, can't totally wipe out all the enzymes because the pyridostigmine is in the way.  Clever idea, though people generally hate taking it because it makes you feel like shiat, as if you got a tiny dose of the nerve gas ... 'cause that's what it is.

Pyridostigmine is what US troops were taking during the first gulf war, because it was felt that Saddam had and might use soman.  It's been blamed by some for gulf war syndrome but I don't think any real data ever emerged to support that.

As for a person who's not having an allergic reaction who gets an injection of epinephrine from an EpiPen, it's not a good idea.  Dumb, actually.  If you're young and healthy, you'll likely be fine.  Your heart rate will probably hit 150+ and your blood pressure might reach 200/ or 250/ systolic, but if you're young and healthy, your body can take it.  Other people who aren't so young and healthy would be at risk for heart attacks or strokes.  Epinephrine is very potent and an EpiPen injects a lot of it, usually into a muscle body or fat, where uptake isn't instant, but if you're unlucky enough to tap a blood vessel, hang on.

It won't make you high.  The "adrenalin rush" the knucklehead upthread was looking for with the expired EpiPen is the euphoria or excitement people associate with riding a roller coaster or going bungie jumping.  A hit of actual adrenaline will produce rapid hypertension and tachycardia, a pretty damn uncomfortable sensation.
 
drp
2013-06-30 05:00:52 PM

Nem Wan: Good weight loss method?


That's the idea behind all the weight loss supplements that include ephedrine.  It's like a longer acting epinephrine light.  The idea is to crank up your basal metabolic rate.  The stuff works, but it's not really safe.

As you might imagine there are unintended consequences to screwing with your body's regulation mechanisms.
 
2013-06-30 05:02:36 PM
The man is lucky he wasnt killed. The article said that the guy went for one of the detectives guns. The police frown on that.
 
2013-06-30 05:03:23 PM
Jesus, all these posts and everyone missed the key takeaway from this. The guy applied for a farking credit card for a fake company and was granted it. With a huge ass credit limit to boot. And here I am, with the same bank for 15 years, and they think I'm too big of a risk because of my delinquent accounts from when my wife was unemployed. And I clear 60K a year on my own. Jackwads.
 
2013-06-30 05:04:31 PM

thatboyoverthere: The man is lucky he wasnt killed. The article said that the guy went for one of the detectives guns. The police frown on that.


I think he got cornered and wanted to get put down.
 
2013-06-30 05:06:52 PM

jayphat: Jesus, all these posts and everyone missed the key takeaway from this. The guy applied for a farking credit card for a fake company and was granted it. With a huge ass credit limit to boot. And here I am, with the same bank for 15 years, and they think I'm too big of a risk because of my delinquent accounts from when my wife was unemployed. And I clear 60K a year on my own. Jackwads.


There was an article somewhere around here about how psychopaths were quite common at "the top" because they will screw people over without any mental checks and balances.
 
2013-06-30 05:09:36 PM

calbert: sucks to your ass-mar


Nice! I like the reference.
 
2013-06-30 05:17:13 PM
Was injected with epinephrine when I was 14. A rush? Hardly.

It felt like I was going to pass out and that all of my pores had suddenly opened up at the same time. Chills, followed by vomiting.

There is not a chance I would do that to myself recreationally.
 
2013-06-30 05:24:19 PM

jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt

Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.

Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.


Sick burn, Kelso.
 
2013-06-30 05:29:37 PM

RogermcAllen: FTA:
"
Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,
Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.
He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me.  If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest?  I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off.  Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?


TFA actually said "Stand his ground" twice.
 
2013-06-30 05:33:53 PM

jayphat: Jesus, all these posts and everyone missed the key takeaway from this. The guy applied for a farking credit card for a fake company and was granted it. With a huge ass credit limit to boot. And here I am, with the same bank for 15 years, and they think I'm too big of a risk because of my delinquent accounts from when my wife was unemployed. And I clear 60K a year on my own. Jackwads.


Rip off a bank: go to jail. Bank rips off you: *crickets*
 
2013-06-30 05:58:58 PM

fusillade762: RogermcAllen: FTA:
"
Peacock continued to stand his ground: He pushed, kicked and struggled with the officers as they tried to subdue him and take him into custody. As the arresting officers grappled with him, Peacock grabbed a detective's holster as if he were trying to take his gun from him, the release stated,
Peacock was finally subdued and taken into custody. He was transported to a hospital to be checked out before being hauled to the slammer.
He is charged with three counts of Fraud, Grand Theft, Resisting Arrest and Assault."

Florida law confuses me.  If Peacock was standing his ground, how can he be charged with resisting arrest?  I thought that once you were standing your ground all bets were off.  Is it because he only reached for the gun and didn't actually shoot/kill the cop that he is in trouble?

TFA actually said "Stand his ground" twice.


The author must like raping his ground...
 
2013-06-30 06:38:22 PM

Kwai Lo: Oldiron_79: Marlys: Oldiron_79: Actully the US has tighter controls on epipens than Canada, EU, Japan, etc. They require a prescription in US they are OTC elsewhere.

I'm in Canada, and need a prescription.

As of a few years ago they was OTC in Canada anyways they may have changed it to match US

I live in southern Ontario, and have had to have a script for an epipen for the last 20 years.


Just because you HAVE a prescription doesn't mean you NEED a prescription to get it. You probably need a prescription for your drug plan to pay for it, but if you're ready to pay out out of pocket you can just waltz right up to the pharmacy counter and ask for it. Go ahead and check if you don't believe me.

The logic is that it's an immediate-need, life-saving drug. Same goes for insulin and nitroglycerin.
 
2013-06-30 06:46:49 PM

jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt

Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.

Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.


If you say so.  The whole thing bores the fark out of me.  Mocking gunners, mocking anti-gunners.  FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP MY RIGHTS SACRED BLESSED FAP FAP FAP FAP wonder who's on So You Think You Can Bore the Shiat Out of Me FAP FAP

chuckle FAP chuckle FAP
 
2013-06-30 07:14:50 PM

Kibbler: jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt

Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.

Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.

If you say so.  The whole thing bores the fark out of me.  Mocking gunners, mocking anti-gunners.  FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP MY RIGHTS SACRED BLESSED FAP FAP FAP FAP wonder who's on So You Think You Can Bore the Shiat Out of Me FAP FAP

chuckle FAP chuckle FAP


child porn FAP child porn FAP FAP FAP
 
2013-06-30 07:34:11 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Kibbler: jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: There's no butthurt quite like gun nut butthurt

Gato Blanco: It's time to have a national discussion on OP's Stupidity control.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: If its primary function were to kill (like guns), then sure, failmitter.

Kibbler: You know what's really boring and old and stale and cliched?  "Joke" headlines about GUNS MY RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

If you want to see some serious butthurt, mock the anti-gunners, stand back, and chuckle.

If you say so.  The whole thing bores the fark out of me.  Mocking gunners, mocking anti-gunners.  FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP MY RIGHTS SACRED BLESSED FAP FAP FAP FAP wonder who's on So You Think You Can Bore the Shiat Out of Me FAP FAP

chuckle FAP chuckle FAP

child porn FAP child porn FAP FAP FAP


images.wikia.com
 
2013-06-30 09:46:13 PM

basemetal: Here's all the control you need:  Know which end is the business end, and don't put your thumb on top when you use it.......in case you didn't get the business end right.

/epi in a thumb is a bad bad thing


I actually made that mistake when trying to inject my mother having an allergic episode. It was an older epipen and the directions were not very good so i ended up with it facing the wrong way. The needle shot through my thumb and bent as it hit my bone and came out at an angle through my thumb nail. Made an already paniced moment into an even crazier one.
 
2013-06-30 09:54:55 PM
Florida attracts morans of this caliber like maggots to a dead squirrel.
 
2013-06-30 10:25:24 PM
By the way, it's a National Conversation, not a discussion (and it's intended to be a National Lecture, not a conversation).
 
2013-06-30 11:26:01 PM
i, also, am allergic to cops. no crime in that.

also, um, if he hadn't have used a real address (empty for-sale houses that have been on the market for a long time, guys...) and his (!!!) actual phone number, this would have worked? 'cause that's what i got from the story.

pps - legalize epipens!
 
2013-07-01 08:25:10 AM
Peacock

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