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(Eater)   The contract for employees working at Crazy Amy's Baking Company is as farked up as you would imagine   (eater.com) divider line 71
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2013-06-30 11:38:27 AM  
11 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


You and your company is what's wrong with American employers.
2013-06-30 11:41:38 AM  
7 votes:

eiger: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


You and your company is what's wrong with American employers.

wwwdelivery.superstock.com

THIS!
2013-06-30 10:42:08 AM  
6 votes:
Most of the contract is not over the top, but the over the top ones are OVER THE FARKING TOP.

A 50 mile, 1 year non-compete to not work in another restaurant?  GTFO of here.  No way that would stand up in court

Breakage and overcooking/burning of food happens.  Short of throwing a plate against the wall, it is hard to determine what in their mind constitutes "direct negligence."  I mean, on the Kitchen Nightmares show, Amy herself purposlly made a pizza extra spicy and hoped that it would hurt the customer...Great farking example of leadership there!!

IANAL, and AFAIK, employers generally cannot hold their employees responsible for theft, breakage, or improperly prepared product.  Firing, or writing them up them is the only real action you've got.  A restaurant I worked for as a waiter would keep tabs on their employees throughout a shift on what they misordered or broke.  If it was significant - over $100 of loss to the restaurant, you were presented with 2 options - 1. lose your job...sorry your lack of attention to detail is costing us money.  Or 2. Trash audit - They gave you a dishwasher's rubber apron and rubber gloves and you had to sort through 2 bags of fresh trash from the dish pit to see if any silverware or dishes made it in the trash.  You learned your lesson to be more careful.

Not showing up to work and charging me $250?  Oh I am a slave to ABC now?  Good luck with enforcing that one!!!

Finally the tips thing may be the nail in the coffin for them so to speak.  I do not know what Arizona labor law says about it, but I know that here in Virginia, the taking of tips from employees is VERY illegal.

Hopefully the general public curiosity of the insanity that is ABC will die off soon and they will simply go away.
2013-06-30 03:33:23 AM  
6 votes:
It looks like at least half of those clauses are a direct violation of the labor code.
2013-06-30 10:04:33 AM  
5 votes:
Place is still open because Sami is laundering money through it.
2013-06-30 01:02:46 PM  
4 votes:
Dear greedhead, yuppie, designer, money worshiping, leftover '80s, Reagan fellating, neocon, gimme gimme, oppressive twats, corporate whores, dime store thugs, billionaire sh*tstains and sock puppet politicians.

The people who put money in your pockets are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, fed up with your sh*t.

No.

Really.
2013-06-30 12:49:05 PM  
4 votes:

The Thoroughbred of Sin: I thought this was one of the more interesting bits:
2). No outside Food or Beverages may be brought inside ABC.

Want to pack a lunch?  NO FOOD FOR YOU!
how on earth is that rational at all?  I dont see how it can have any negative impact on a business to allow employees to eat their own food.

But then crazy Amy is crazy.


That's made even more appallingly unfair when you realize that ABC does not give any free or even discounted food to its employees. The waitress who answered questions on Reddit awhile back said any food they wanted to eat had to be purchased at full price.

So not only are the workers paid shiattily, they now have to take cost of their own meals into account as well.

Stay classy ABC!
2013-06-30 10:53:53 AM  
4 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


Look at her staff, it is primarily teenage girls.  Teens that probably have no control over a portion of their schedule (sports, choir, other extracurricular, school related activities, mommy and daddy scheduling things, etc.).  Yes, personal responsibly comes into play here, but you cannot charge someone for not coming into work.  When I was younger, I "quit" simply by not showing up.  Not saying it is right, but as the employer, you've got to expect it from time to time.  Not only is it a dickish thing to do...it...look...your employees are not your personal slaves.  Just because you give them money to perform a set of tasks, does not mean you get to reign over their life.
2013-06-30 10:11:11 AM  
4 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.


It's not that the demands are so bad, it's more that I would never, ever expect Amy to be a fair arbiter of whether I had broken any of those rules.  Especially the one about "attitude."
2013-06-30 03:33:20 AM  
4 votes:
13). Any product such as food or plates that are broken or burned due to direct negligence will be taken from your pay check at ABC's cost.


Pretty sure that and keeping an employee's tips are illegal, even if the employee signs a contract. Hopefully the state labor board will investigate.
2013-06-30 03:02:54 PM  
3 votes:

The Numbers: bunner: Dear greedhead, yuppie, designer, money worshiping, leftover '80s, Reagan fellating, neocon, gimme gimme, oppressive twats, corporate whores, dime store thugs, billionaire sh*tstains and sock puppet politicians.

The people who put money in your pockets are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, fed up with your sh*t.

Oh, give it a break. If people were really that unhappy they wouldn't spend so much money worshipping at the altar of Apple, Starbucks, McDonalds, Disney etc.


Tick, tock, tick toc. We're nearing the end of our "bread and circuses" phase of our culture. When people have nothing to eat, they will start rebelling. You never, ever deprive somebody of the ability to eat.

/I see in Amy's future broken window, gasoline and a lighted match.
2013-06-30 11:42:49 AM  
3 votes:

eiger: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

You and your company is are what's wrong with American employers.


FTFM
2013-06-30 11:41:34 AM  
3 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


What kind of shiatty company do you work for?
2013-06-30 11:36:22 AM  
3 votes:

Brittabot: I hope they crash and burn publicly and epically (hopefully involving an arrest for money laundering). I don't think I've ever seen a pair of people that I want to fail harder than these two assclowns.


It wouldn't be the first time either have them have been behind bars. Amy is a convicted felon (bank fraud) and Samy is banned from entering France or Germany. ICE is looking into deporting him as he didn't tell them when he applied to come to the US.
2013-06-30 10:55:08 AM  
3 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


So I won't be a work slave for your company.
2013-06-30 10:26:17 AM  
3 votes:

OgreMagi: It looks like at least half of those clauses are a direct violation of the labor code.


That "mutual agreement" would cause me to point and laugh, and then laugh some more, and then walk out the door, chortling a bit. If only because I've worked in heavy duty corporate kitchens, and even Aramark treats its employees better*. Heck FuNyGyz from Denver treats its employees better. That "agreement" is a raft of lawsuits waiting to happen, but it IS the sort of crazy that metro Arizona attracts. It doesn't surprise me...


*In fairness, Aramark, at least with the Sports/Entertainment division, treats the employees really well, with a raft of benefits, and HR that actually listens and is active in helping employees find promotions, career advancement, certifications, and will even reimburse you for education. As soulless corporate masters, they are really supportive.
2013-06-30 07:05:46 PM  
2 votes:

Commander_Neckbeard: A lot of that stuff is pretty boilerplate for the food industry, one of the major issues I have with it is the charging the employee for missing days.  Now we don't know what other agreements and policies there are in place, but if you have an employee that's sick with something like the flu.  They can't call in because on top of not getting paid for that day, they might lose wages from before, so they come in, transmit the disease to co-workers and customers and cause the company to lose even MORE money than they would have being short staffed that day.

The Holiday thing is a lack of planning and foresight in addition to being cheap, and again the docking pay thing.

The tips thing looks more like a way to get away from the tipping controversy,  pay their people at least minimum wage and do away with having to deal with tips.  Not unusual, something of a prick move, but not out of the ordinary.

The non-compete clause, however, seems way over the top, this is fine when an industry fits in a certain niche and doesn't want employes taking expertise to a direct competitor, but this is a restaurant.  This means that someone who leaves there may be facing a whole year of unemployment because being wait-staff or cook is the only thing they know.  Non-compete clauses are ok when a companies competitors number less than 10 nationally, it's terrible when you might have that many just in the 1 mile radius around the business.


In over 20 years in this industry, I have never garnished, or "fined" and employee's wages for conduct related issues. No show, no call, no job. THAT is the standard. Docking wages for behavior is more than a bit hinkey. They worked the hours, they get paid for them. Put someone on disciplinary leave? Yes, that happens, and it's usually the step before firing--but if someone works the hours, they get paid for the hours. Replacing broken equipment or dishes? That is a solid dick move, because accidents DO happen. In very few cases could I justify trying to get an employee to replace equipment of pay for something that they ruined, and that would have to be bare, nekkid negligence after being trained upon the station or procedure, or just outright dickishness, and that would also go in line with firing, immediately. Theft? That's a whole different story, and that's not docking pay, that is the step before charges are filed, and if there is restitution, then we can NOT file charges, and leave them with the chance of getting another job in the industry, but for DAMNS sure, their recommendation is going to be chilly--without charges filed, it is unofficial and thus you don't mention, "she's a f*cking thief" but you use key words like "inter personnel problems" or "trust issues."

Holidays? That is the really sucky part of the job, but then again, you also balance those days so only your management are doing all the holidays. Chefs work when others are playing. It's our curse. Well, that and dodging very close to sexual harassment suits with waitstaff and hostesses.

Non-compete clause? WTF? These are servers and line cooks. Your chef, your KM, your GM, you might think about putting it in, but considering that she opens boxes of pastries and sells them at a markup, the "secret" practices aren't exactly tradecraft. That is just plain over-reach, and a power trip. The whole thing drips of adequacy issues, and tragic over compensation to make her business seem much more important than a f*cking bakery that resells other folks' pastries. Which is really, why you could only laugh at someone trying to get you to sign something like this.

I've had to do NDAs--opening a new joint in Phoenix, out here in Western Mass when a place merged with another company and joined two breweries into a decent sized brewing empire--and even then I was never brought into a "non-compete" clause, and I wrote half the gottverdammt menu and handbook. That is just delusions of competence screaming out to the heavens. These are some odd, odd, odd people who have seen way too much television, and have too many friends who talk about their own industries, and they seem to think a bakery is on the same scale.
2013-06-30 05:05:33 PM  
2 votes:

Chaghatai: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

So much THIS^^^

Amy's is terrible and taking tips is illegal in AZ I'm pretty sure, but not hiring anyone who doesn't have honest-to-goodness "open" availability shouldn't be wrong in anybody's book. You won't believe how many employees who agreed to open availability tell me all the time that they need specific allowances and can't work their schedules.


Meh.  It's about balance.  I've never had any problems finding a way to Tetris people into a schedule.

Have college kids working for you?  Work the kids that have classes Mon Wed Fri opposite the kids who have classes Tues Thurs.  Some of your people need Sun off for church or to watch the big game?  Have a few people who love to work weekends to offset them.

I've handled this in bookstores, offices, restaurants, and regular retail.  Little mom & pop places and big box retail.  Just takes a few more minutes of your time.  Makes for -much- happier workers.  No one should have to stress about losing their job because they want to watch their kid play soccer on Saturday mornings.
2013-06-30 04:47:41 PM  
2 votes:

Chaghatai: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

So much THIS^^^

Amy's is terrible and taking tips is illegal in AZ I'm pretty sure, but not hiring anyone who doesn't have honest-to-goodness "open" availability shouldn't be wrong in anybody's book. You won't believe how many employees who agreed to open availability tell me all the time that they need specific allowances and can't work their schedules.


It's almost like employees are human beings with actual lives outside of work...

One can have open availability but pretty much anyone is going to have either planned or unplanned things come up from time to time that will prevent them from being able to work a certain shift.

Employers would see much lower turnover if they recognized the need for a work/life balance and allowed people a bit of leeway once in awhile.
2013-06-30 01:15:57 PM  
2 votes:

picturescrazy: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

What the crap kind of place schedules like that?


Walmart. A lot of the shiattier retail jobs, actually. It isn't bad enough that you're being paid minimum wage to deal with some of the worst people in the world, they have to make sure the experience is just terrible on every level.
2013-06-30 12:38:48 PM  
2 votes:
I thought this was one of the more interesting bits:
2). No outside Food or Beverages may be brought inside ABC.

Want to pack a lunch?  NO FOOD FOR YOU!
how on earth is that rational at all?  I dont see how it can have any negative impact on a business to allow employees to eat their own food.

But then crazy Amy is crazy.
2013-06-30 12:20:13 PM  
2 votes:

bunner: TV's Vinnie: eiger: 

You and your company is what's wrong with American employers.

THIS!

Plug and play labor.  It's why your boss can sneer at you from his BMW as you board the bus.  See servitude.


The bus?? Sorry, we had to give the Job Creators another tax cut so we defunded mass transit. The ridership was a little, how you say, 'ethnic.'
2013-06-30 11:57:59 AM  
2 votes:

Waldo Pepper: ^^^^^^I'm sure is the first too complain when a retail store is short-handed due to weather issues, prom, holidays or if a store is closed for Easter/Christmas.


A lot of stores are ALREADY short-handed because of cheapskate management. Gotta keep those CEO bonuses high every year NO! MATTER! WHAT!
2013-06-30 11:55:50 AM  
2 votes:

bunner: TV's Vinnie: eiger:

You and your company is what's wrong with American employers.

THIS!

Plug and play labor.  It's why your boss can sneer at you from his BMW as you board the bus.  See servitude.


There's a cure for that.

affordablehousinginstitute.org
2013-06-30 11:36:52 AM  
2 votes:
cR-AZy Amy strikes again. Non competition clauses don't work in right to work states. Nothing supersedes labour law in the US and in Canada. Same with stealing tips.

/class action lawsuit brewing.
2013-06-30 11:24:01 AM  
2 votes:
"This is a legal binding contract that both parties are fully aware of and in mutual agreement with the following....[buncha vague, unenforceable, illegal stuff and non sequiturs]..."

LEGAL DOCUMENTS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!!
2013-06-30 11:22:11 AM  
2 votes:

markfara: Any guesses on Amy's political leanings?


you don't need to guess. there's all sorts of donation records out there of her giving to a bunch of republican candidates.
2013-06-30 11:08:25 AM  
2 votes:
How would you enforce a clause that someone can't open up their own place down the street? That's insane.
2013-06-30 11:01:42 AM  
2 votes:
5) Any type of attitude will result in immediate termination.

So my good attitude will be cause for termination. Check.
2013-06-30 10:51:45 AM  
2 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


I once took a tech job with the stipulation that I would be flexible with my schedule.  To me that meant I'd work any shift - day, swings, graveyard, whatever.  So my shift ended up being this weird mix where I'd work 8a-5p on a Friday and have to be back at work for another full shift starting at 1a Saturday...so eight hours between workdays. When I couldn't take it anymore and gave notice the boss said I was being unreasonable because I had said I'd be flexible.
2013-06-30 10:33:23 AM  
2 votes:

Saborlas: Place is still open because Sami is laundering money through it.


If that's the case, then getting any sort of attention to the place, and getting it under this kind of scrutiny is a really bad move. You launder money through places that are moderately to fairly successful, and then use that to boost your "sales" to then plow into entirely traceable paper trails that give the money some legitimacy. Scrutiny and attention are anathema to the practice. You get a nice write up in the paper, you maybe get featured on local TV, but you keep the Hells out of the spotlight.

Then again, these people are rucking fetarded crazy, so maybe they missed this crucial bit of tradecraft...
2013-06-30 07:17:35 AM  
2 votes:
And the crazy train keeps on rolling. That so called contract is a legal nightmare.

By signing this contract, you agree that you willingly accept a payment of $8.00 to $12.00 per hour

Those are the good wages they were talking about?
2013-06-30 06:15:27 PM  
1 votes:

khyberkitsune: geekbikerskum: I should add, BTW, that I am not a lawyer and nothing I say should be considered legal advice.

That's fine with me, I've been through the legal bullcrap and can say with court rulings backing me up that this is entirely illegal.


Maybe it is in California, where, from what I've read, covenants not to compete are almost unenforceable, but laws in Arizona are very different.  Given the stuff in that article I posted, it's not completely clear that the covenant not to compete in question is out of bounds according to Arizona law, although if it amounts to an effective ban on the person making a living, the court would probably rule that way if I had to guess.

/about to be rich from not only a drunk driver accident but a major violation of labor laws here in SoCal.

Wow.  I'm sorry.  What a crappy lot of stuff to have to endure in order to get rich.  Almost everyone I know who's gotten any sort of sizeable lawsuit payout would gladly trade the money for not having had to deal with the life events that led to the suit.
2013-06-30 05:47:40 PM  
1 votes:

Morgellons: I think the point was about employees not being up front about their scheduling requirements


Which is really something everyone should do in an economy that won't employ people unless they say they're willing to work any time, any day, and be on call at a moment's notice from midnight to midnight.
2013-06-30 05:46:15 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Other than the $250 fine I though the part about weekends and holidays makes sense.


You better re-educate your ignorant ass - religious exemptions BY LAW must be made.

/no wonder we've got such a shiat economy when people don't even know what freaking rights they have.
//you damned moron
2013-06-30 05:25:42 PM  
1 votes:

penthesilea: Chaghatai: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

So much THIS^^^

Amy's is terrible and taking tips is illegal in AZ I'm pretty sure, but not hiring anyone who doesn't have honest-to-goodness "open" availability shouldn't be wrong in anybody's book. You won't believe how many employees who agreed to open availability tell me all the time that they need specific allowances and can't work their schedules.

Meh.  It's about balance.  I've never had any problems finding a way to Tetris people into a schedule.

Have college kids working for you?  Work the kids that have classes Mon Wed Fri opposite the kids who have classes Tues Thurs.  Some of your people need Sun off for church or to watch the big game?  Have a few people who love to work weekends to offset them.

I've handled this in bookstores, offices, restaurants, and regular retail.  Little mom & pop places and big box retail.  Just takes a few more minutes of your time.  Makes for -much- happier workers.  No one should have to stress about losing their job because they want to watch their kid play soccer on Saturday mornings.


I don't think it has anything to do with that crazy biatch wanting to work around schedules.  She and her sugar daddy act like the kind of people who are very disappointed that slavery was abolished and have no problem with treating people as if they were slaves, anyway.  They are control freaks.  They don't see their relationship with their employees as a partnership as good bosses do.
2013-06-30 05:03:30 PM  
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: malaktaus: ZeroCorpse: I wish they'd just throw these two into a cage with the Koch brothers and a few baseball nail-filled baseball bats, and tell them only one person will be let out of the cage in the end.

And then don't open the cage in the end, anyway, because the winner had "an attitude."

This is my idea for one of those big, outdoor summer festivals. This is called Slug Fest. This is for men only. Here's what you do. You get about a hundred thousand of these farking men. You know the ones I mean. These macho motherfarkers. These strutting, preening, posturing, hairy, sweaty, alpha male jackoffs. The muscle assholes. You take about a hundred thousand of these disgusting pricks, and you throw them in a big dirt arena, big twenty-five acre dirt arena. And you just let them beat the shiat out of each other  for twenty-four hours non-stop. No food, no water, just whiskey and PCP. And you just let them punch and pound and kick the shiat out of each other until only one guy is left standing, then you take that guy and you put him on a pedestal and you shoot him in the farking head.

Your newsletter, let me subscribe to it

/seriously
//You are my new idol!


Idolize him if you wish but George Carlin has been dead for a few years now.

/classic
//Credit where it is due
2013-06-30 04:31:41 PM  
1 votes:
No visiting or unnecessary talking is allowed during your work shift. This causes distractions and results in loss of product. Any may result in possible harm to you, or to others.

I think that's a typo. They probably meant "Amy."
2013-06-30 04:12:08 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Most of the contract is not over the top, but the over the top ones are OVER THE FARKING TOP.

A 50 mile, 1 year non-compete to not work in another restaurant?  GTFO of here.  No way that would stand up in court

Breakage and overcooking/burning of food happens.  Short of throwing a plate against the wall, it is hard to determine what in their mind constitutes "direct negligence."  I mean, on the Kitchen Nightmares show, Amy herself purposlly made a pizza extra spicy and hoped that it would hurt the customer...Great farking example of leadership there!!

IANAL, and AFAIK, employers generally cannot hold their employees responsible for theft, breakage, or improperly prepared product.  Firing, or writing them up them is the only real action you've got.  A restaurant I worked for as a waiter would keep tabs on their employees throughout a shift on what they misordered or broke.  If it was significant - over $100 of loss to the restaurant, you were presented with 2 options - 1. lose your job...sorry your lack of attention to detail is costing us money.  Or 2. Trash audit - They gave you a dishwasher's rubber apron and rubber gloves and you had to sort through 2 bags of fresh trash from the dish pit to see if any silverware or dishes made it in the trash.  You learned your lesson to be more careful.

Not showing up to work and charging me $250?  Oh I am a slave to ABC now?  Good luck with enforcing that one!!!

Finally the tips thing may be the nail in the coffin for them so to speak.  I do not know what Arizona labor law says about it, but I know that here in Virginia, the taking of tips from employees is VERY illegal.

Hopefully the general public curiosity of the insanity that is ABC will die off soon and they will simply go away.


Not sure what a living wage is in that city, but i would much rather go to a restaurant with no tipping than what most restaurants do. To the restaurant owner: they are YOUR employees, YOU pay them It is not my responsibility to make sure your employee makes a living wage. Just jack up the prices 15 percent and take care of your people.

I make it a point to mention a good server in my reviews anyway, i am sure that goes farther for their job prospect than if i give them 15 or twenty percent. What i really farkinf dislike is having to tip bad service 10 or 15 percent because a tip is almost considered a tax these days rather than a gratuity. It is a farking scam.

That being said, if ABC is paying a living wage, what they should do instead of keeping the tips is just make the restaurant tip free and increase prices slightly. Taking a tip from a server is in poor taste.
2013-06-30 04:07:27 PM  
1 votes:
hubiestubert:

As someone who worked in many restaurants (from fast food to fine dining) while in high school and college (oh so very long ago), I love it when you show up in these threads. Always informative, never overly defensive. I appreciate your input.
2013-06-30 03:08:30 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Businesses with a left-leaning ethos tend to have a dependence on cultish followings of fanboys who make purchasing decisions based on emotions. Apple, Ben and Jerry's, Starbucks. Left-leaning businesses also do better in service sectors where absolute quality is less important that perceived quality.

Businesses with a right-leaning ethos (aka 'businesses') mostly depend upon profitability in a competitive market, where purchasing decisions are made based upon value-for-money.


Oh for farks sake. Troll.
2013-06-30 01:55:24 PM  
1 votes:
My point, should you be curious, was that - in light of all of the cheap, disingenuous, two faced prick as a business model, usurious, class war instigating, wealth disparity encouraging, sh*tty, hateful behavior that passes for culture, these days - if Armageddon started outside of my window in 5 min. not only would I not be surprised, I would probably dance.
2013-06-30 01:14:44 PM  
1 votes:

The Numbers: The Thoroughbred of Sin: I dont see how it can have any negative impact on a business to allow employees to eat their own food.

Risk of health-code violations?
Bad for the image? McDonalds would hardly be thrilled at their employees eating Burger King stuff on their premises.


It IS against health code for employees to eat on the line. There should be designated break areas for folks to eat--likewise no open containers for drinks, which means you need covered cups, with straws to avoid spills. AZ is somewhat patchy with enforcement though. The thing is, employee dining areas are supposed to be away from the line, and away from the service area. Folks should be able to eat on premises, but the rule against bringing in food is just a way to get employees to purchase your goods--which is more just a bit shady. I do employee meals, and if folks want to purchase something that's not on the menu for the day, then they can do so at a discount. Everything about these folks screams shady and crazy. These are the folks who give my profession a bad name, and it's also why I don't do consultations any more. For every restaurant that is in trouble and needs a hand, there are a half dozen folks who are just circling the drain from piss poor management and lack of anything resembling ethics or business sense, and it's hard to tell someone who sunk their life savings into a joint, that they'd be best off selling everything and getting out at a loss. Take that back: there are a few folks I relished giving that news to, and this sort of shady crap is just begging for a lawsuit, or six, just to scrub them from the business, and maybe get someone into their space who has some gottverdammt sense...
2013-06-30 12:51:22 PM  
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: The only issue I have are requiring people to be ready 'five minutes before'; IE - they are expecting five minutes of work for free.


They say you need to be ready to start working at least 5 minutes in advance. You don't actually need to start working 5 minutes in advance. That is quite a relevant difference.
2013-06-30 12:20:19 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: TV's Vinnie: There's a cure for that.

*flips through a book on 15th through 19th c. history.

*taps watch*

"Yeeepp, yep, yep,  yep"

*sigh*


You just aren't looking in the right places, bruh.

media.heavy.com

The anger IS beginning to rise, and it's growing.
2013-06-30 12:16:00 PM  
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: I guess I just don't understand - but most of those are pretty darn reasonable.  Also, aren't waitstaff constantly complaining about how tipping needs to be done because the law allows businesses to pay them $2-3 per hour?  Their tip policy seems great, employees know what wage they are getting.

The only issue I have are requiring people to be ready 'five minutes before'; IE - they are expecting five minutes of work for free.  The rest?  Meh - it's whatever you agree to.

I've had jobs that didn't allow visitors and jobs that restricted heavily what types of devices I could carry with me.  I've also had contracts that gave my employer ownership of *anything* I produced, even if it's on a weekend.  My current job requires me to notify someone/request permission 30 days in advance, before I'm permitted to buy or sell any sort of financial instrument.  Oh, and they can deny my request too.


I see where your head is at, but...

As a waiter, you need to be at the restaurant at least 15-30 min before your shift starts.  Sudden rushes happen, and grabbing an extra table or two before you are scheduled adds quite a bit to your take home pay over time.  Working in a restaurant is very dynamic.  Really, being 5 min early to your shift in my mind = 10+ min late.

All that being said, you see nothing wrong with a 50 mile, 1 year non-compete or charging their employees money for breakage or no shows?  What kind of world do you live in where that is alight?
2013-06-30 12:12:32 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Brittabot: Would love to see a lawyer go over this contract and point out in detail just how illegal and unenforceable the majority of this stuff is.


It all depends on how enforceable the arbitration clause is.  Either I missed the ending of the arbitration exception or all of fark seemed to miss its tyranny, so I will assume it is dead (it was how hooters managed to stay in business).  Basically how it worked was that you "contract" included the waiver of all ability to sue and instead use arbitration at the company's choice of arbitrator.  Basically, you argue that you were held to an illegal contract and Amy's brother in law comes back with a legally-binding answer of "did not.  And you get to pay my legal fees.  And you pay a penalty clause.  Have a nice day".  I don't want to think how long this was legal in the US (and really suspect it still is).

[Still Endive Wombat]: Breakage and overcooking/burning of food happens.  Short of throwing a plate against the wall, it is hard to determine what in their mind constitutes "direct negligence."  I mean, on the Kitchen Nightmares show, Amy herself purposlly made a pizza extra spicy and hoped that it would hurt the customer...Great farking example of leadership there!!

Amazingly enough, that's said to be the source of Dave's Insanity Sauce (useful for adding to tabassco sauce to make it hot, the bottle suggest cleaning oil spills on driveways as well).  The inventor used this at Burrito Madness (ancient terp farkers may remember this on the route) to handle the more annoying drunks (it was right between the major bars between campus and frat row of the University of Maryland).
2013-06-30 11:50:23 AM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: eiger: 

You and your company is what's wrong with American employers.


THIS!

Plug and play labor.  It's why your boss can sneer at you from his BMW as you board the bus.  See servitude.
2013-06-30 11:46:24 AM  
1 votes:

eiger: eiger: BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....

You and your company is are what's wrong with American employers.

FTFM


Ah, a job tyrant AND a spelling Kommandant, eh?

Noted
2013-06-30 11:39:36 AM  
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: 17) The recipes and techniques that have been developed by Amy at ABC are exclusive and shall remain confidential. Any removal of recipes will be considered theft.

So, if we open a can of Chef Boyardee Ravioli like she does in the back, we're in violation?


Yes. Also, you are prohibited from ordering cakes and pastries from professional bakeries.
2013-06-30 11:38:23 AM  
1 votes:
17) The recipes and techniques that have been developed by Amy at ABC are exclusive and shall remain confidential. Any removal of recipes will be considered theft.

So, if we open a can of Chef Boyardee Ravioli like she does in the back, we're in violation?
2013-06-30 11:36:33 AM  
1 votes:

Brittabot: Would love to see a lawyer go over this contract and point out in detail just how illegal and unenforceable the majority of this stuff is.


But then he would be called a "hater!!!"
2013-06-30 11:32:33 AM  
1 votes:
I hope nobody is stupid enough to work for them or buy anything from them.

I'd be happy to hear that both of them got life sentences in FPMITA prison.
2013-06-30 11:31:18 AM  
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: And the crazy plastic biatch is still in business why?


1. Rich

2. Republican
2013-06-30 11:30:54 AM  
1 votes:
I bet gordon ramsay has sent these two insane people the biggest fruit basket or bouquet of flowers available for all the great publicity months after that kitchen nightmares aired
2013-06-30 11:29:06 AM  
1 votes:
I love how they honestly think they can enforce a non-compete clause for A farkING YEAR after the employee stops working there! I can understand them not wanting employees to work for a competitor while they are still ABC employees (even though it may not be legal to enforce even that), but to think they can bar them from working in any other restaurant within 50 miles for a year is a complete joke.

I hope nobody signs their stupid contract and they go out of business. They are suffering from some pretty major delusions (well, we know that already) if they honestly believe anyone would put up with that myriad of bullshiat for $8 an hour. Even if the pay were 4 or 5 times that I would laugh in their faces if they expected me to agree to their crazy terms.

They'll probably get a few desperate/attention whoring people to sign, but I can't imagine anyone continuing to work there after the first day they miss where they're expected to fork over $250.

Would love to see a lawyer go over this contract and point out in detail just how illegal and unenforceable the majority of this stuff is.

I hope they crash and burn publicly and epically (hopefully involving an arrest for money laundering). I don't think I've ever seen a pair of people that I want to fail harder than these two assclowns.
2013-06-30 11:25:48 AM  
1 votes:
And no food allowed in the kitchen? Makes it kind of hard to do any cooking, eh wot?
2013-06-30 11:14:48 AM  
1 votes:
Sounds like the place to go if you don't like to tip.
2013-06-30 11:14:30 AM  
1 votes:

ginandbacon: How would you enforce a clause that someone can't open up their own place down the street? That's insane.


Again, look at their staff.  Ignorant teenage girls.
2013-06-30 11:13:16 AM  
1 votes:

markfara: Any guesses on Amy's political leanings?


I did some research a while back and posted my findings on a thread here on Fark. They are WAY the fark out there.

Remember the original charity they were going to donate to?  Yeah, it's website is registered through Truth Frequency Radio

I will let you decide what their political leanings are...
2013-06-30 11:12:47 AM  
1 votes:
Where do we sign up?

wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com
2013-06-30 11:12:42 AM  
1 votes:

BizarreMan: Not to white knight Crazy Amy but, many of those don't seem too outrageous.

Expecting people to be on time and ready to start working when their shift is scheduled to begin isn't unreasonable.

Telling people up front to expect to work weekends and holidays is fine too.  When we hire people where I work we tell people up front that they are not guaranteed any specific shift or any specific days.  They are expected to be able to work whatever we put them on the schedule.  Employees will agree that yes, they can work any time.  Until they get the job and the first schedule comes out, then it's I can't work that day because I have church, I can't work that day because I don't have daycare for my child.....


What the crap kind of place schedules like that?
2013-06-30 11:03:19 AM  
1 votes:
FTFC: 5). Any type of attitude will result in immediate termination.

assets.amuniversal.com
2013-06-30 11:02:34 AM  
1 votes:

HypnozombieX: So wait. Not only do servers get paid the dirt cheap "fark you your a server you get tips" wage, they also take the tips. Who in their right mind would agree to that bullshiat?


At this point?  Perhaps the novelty of the chance to say that you worked there?  Beyond that?  A sadist?
2013-06-30 10:59:35 AM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: dustman81: Endive Wombat: Finally the tips thing may be the nail in the coffin for them so to speak. I do not know what Arizona labor law says about it, but I know that here in Virginia, the taking of tips from employees is VERY illegal.

The federal Fair Labor Standards Act (new window, pdf) makes it illegal. It very clearly states that tips are property of the employee. It also prohibits any arrangement whereby any part of the tip becomes property of the employer (which makes that clause in their "contract" null and void).

"Retention of Tips: A tip is the sole property of the tipped employee regardless of whether the employer takes a tip credit. The FLSA prohibits any arrangement between the employer and the tipped employee whereby any part of the tip received becomes the property of the employer. For example, even where a tipped employee receives at least $7.25 per hour in wages directly from the employer, the employee may not be required to turn over his or her tips to the employer. "

It would be awesome for an attorney to tear ABC a new one and looks like they could do so easily as they have in writing and on video that ABC is taking employee's tips.

/not an attorney

The link does not provide us the ENTIRE contract.  Perhaps the contract states that they are expressly NOT tipped employees, rather they are hourly employes and that is it???

Either way, I seriously doubt that something like this would hold up in court.


The FLSA also defines a "tipped employee" as someone who "customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips", which isn't a problem for most wait staff as they can make that much in a day.
2013-06-30 10:55:55 AM  
1 votes:
I wonder (on avg) how often their bathrooms get trashed.
2013-06-30 10:54:25 AM  
1 votes:
5). Any type of attitude will result in immediate termination.

This applies to Amy herself? Yes? No?

14). Respect and distance must be given to all fellow employees. No harassment or bulling of any type will be tolerated and will be cause for immediate termination.

Yeah. I'm with them on this: no bulling in the store. Feel free to bull yourself silly on your on own time.
2013-06-30 10:52:20 AM  
1 votes:
not work for any competitor within a 50 mile radius of ABC within one year of temination or voluntary Resignation.

2 things:

Termination is spelled wrong

Arizona is a right to work state so non-compete clauses are worthless.
2013-06-30 08:01:50 AM  
1 votes:
If this contract is real, it's not much different than than what many restaurant employees endure even without signing something. The tips thing is over the top, but the language in this contract isn't far different from what you'll actually hear on the floor of a turn-burn establishment.

If you want to make money in the hospitality business, either tend bar at a trendy spot (difficult gigs to get) or wait tables where dinner and wine for 2 is $175, and you have a 4 table section that rotates in reasonable time.

Whatever you do, turn down offers for management. Christ, that was the worst job I ever had. All the headaches (all of them) and you were making more as a bartender a few months ago.
2013-06-30 06:55:00 AM  
1 votes:
I thought they would have packed up and moved by now. Samy must have really deep pockets
2013-06-30 03:48:21 AM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: 13). Any product such as food or plates that are broken or burned due to direct negligence will be taken from your pay check at ABC's cost.


Pretty sure that and keeping an employee's tips are illegal, even if the employee signs a contract. Hopefully the state labor board will investigate.


I'm pretty sure that Crazy Amy lumps the state labor board in with all the other "haters".
 
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