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(News.com.au)   Another race, another Mercedes front row. Can they convert it into a win this time? Or will Webber take one last one at Silverstone? Round 1 of the "Fark You, Seb" Farewell World Tour, 7:30 AM ET on CNBC   (news.com.au) divider line 111
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2013-06-30 09:19:45 AM

King Something: Jensaarai: soj4life: Jensaarai: So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens.  What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham  is not good for the sport.  If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

But we saw what happens when they try to test potential compounds with a contemporary car. Everyone else shiats themselves with rage.

That's because of the rules regarding in-season testing. Teams are not allowed to test the current year's or previous year's car from ten days before the first race of the year to 31 Dec of the same year, but testing year-before-last's car and older cars is permitted. That's why Ferrari and Red Bull were unhappy with Mercedes' test.

/Mercedes' "punishment" was exclusion from this year's Young Driver Test


I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)
 
2013-06-30 09:19:46 AM
So now what will go wrong with Rosberg's car?
 
2013-06-30 09:20:00 AM
UGH! Vettel out. :-(
 
2013-06-30 09:20:28 AM

killershark: digistil: Vettel's out and the crowd goes wild.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed that crowd reaction? :-)


Far from it.
 
2013-06-30 09:21:35 AM

killershark: digistil: Vettel's out and the crowd goes wild.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed that crowd reaction? :-)


If only the Germans had a word about taking joy in the misfortune of others
 
2013-06-30 09:21:49 AM

Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)


Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing."  If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.
 
2013-06-30 09:21:58 AM
Seb was just doing a mid-race tribute to Mark Webber's starts.
 
2013-06-30 09:22:13 AM

killershark: digistil: Vettel's out and the crowd goes wild.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed that crowd reaction? :-)


A little schadenfraude for the German? Nothing wrong with that at all.
 
2013-06-30 09:22:30 AM

Norfolking Chance: killershark: digistil: Vettel's out and the crowd goes wild.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed that crowd reaction? :-)

If only the Germans had a word about taking joy in the misfortune of others


Ha!
 
2013-06-30 09:23:38 AM

Norfolking Chance: killershark: Norfolking Chance: kidgenius: Here's what I don't understand....

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES.  How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

Perelli can make tyres that good.

F1 doesn't want tyres that good so Perrelli makes tyres that degrade quickly as per their contract.

Exactly. But then who is to blame -- Pirelli or F1? Or both?

Also they were talking about track changes this year -- are the kerbs new and could that be an issue?

F1 is to blame. Nothing is ever left to chance and Perrelli makes them to an exact spec. It should also be noticed that its only a couple of teams who are biatching and those are the teams who made cars that are hard on the tyres. Those teams that have made a car that is soft on its tyres don't have a problem.

If the car is eating its tyres then its a car and driver issue as every one knew what the Perrellis were like before the season started.


The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.
 
2013-06-30 09:23:51 AM

UNC_Samurai: Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing."  If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.


Already announced earlier this week:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/06/28/fia-confirms-return-of-in-seaso n -testing-in-2014/

It's not great, but a little better than what we have now.
 
2013-06-30 09:24:18 AM
Since this race is on CNBC, I'm surprised they haven't had a real-time ticker of Pirelli's stock prices.
 
2013-06-30 09:25:34 AM
SC in
 
2013-06-30 09:25:38 AM
Nico Rosberg's race engineer over team radio: "Nico, we can see delamination in the middle of the tread."

Oh FFS!
 
2013-06-30 09:26:57 AM

kidgenius: UNC_Samurai: Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing."  If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

Already announced earlier this week:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/06/28/fia-confirms-return-of-in-seaso n -testing-in-2014/

It's not great, but a little better than what we have now.


grumpycatgood.jpg
 
2013-06-30 09:27:32 AM
There goes Perez' tire! This race is absolutely bonkers.
 
2013-06-30 09:27:49 AM
♪♫ Tire says, I'm done with Sergio-o-o-o ♪♫
 
2013-06-30 09:28:52 AM
OK, that's enough. Just throw the red flag and pack it up.
 
2013-06-30 09:29:06 AM
Sergio Perez is out.
 
2013-06-30 09:30:20 AM
Mark Webber all of a sudden woke up now that Vettel is out.
 
2013-06-30 09:30:21 AM
Eliminate Vettel, Webber comes alive.
 
2013-06-30 09:30:36 AM
Mark just passed Kimi for P2, 4 laps to go
 
2013-06-30 09:33:04 AM

Jensaarai: soj4life: Jensaarai: So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens.  What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham  is not good for the sport.  If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

But we saw what happens when they try to test potential compounds with a contemporary car. Everyone else shiats themselves with rage.


Yeah we see what happens when they try to test a new compound during a race weekend, Felipe and Ferrari are not going to past this weekend.  What they need to do is bring back in season testing whenever and where ever teams want to. 

That is why teams were mad at Mercedes AMG, they got a testing session without any concerns.
 
2013-06-30 09:34:26 AM
2 laps to go; Alonso just passed Kimi for P3
 
2013-06-30 09:34:50 AM

cameroncrazy1984: killershark: digistil: Vettel's out and the crowd goes wild.

Is it wrong that I enjoyed that crowd reaction? :-)

No, not at all.


No.  We all did.
 
2013-06-30 09:34:51 AM
Show the battle for the lead. Get the camera off Hamilton.
 
2013-06-30 09:35:07 AM

soj4life: The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.


You might be right but all the tyres have gone at exactly the same place so it could be the track as well. We won't know until later
 
2013-06-30 09:35:23 AM

killershark: OK, that's enough. Just throw the red flag and pack it up.


Are you kidding me? This is some of the best racing so far.

Hamilton back up to 4th!
 
2013-06-30 09:37:43 AM
So much for the Mercedes not being able to put a whole race together, eh? First and fourth.
 
2013-06-30 09:37:44 AM
Happy birthday, Nico
 
2013-06-30 09:38:24 AM

cameroncrazy1984: killershark: OK, that's enough. Just throw the red flag and pack it up.

Are you kidding me? This is some of the best racing so far.

Hamilton back up to 4th!


Of course after I said that. I take it all back!
 
2013-06-30 09:39:36 AM

Jensaarai: Since this race is on CNBC, I'm surprised they haven't had a real-time ticker of Pirelli's stock prices.


Nope, but I bet they could do an episode about Bernie.  They do have a show that has a tagline of "Some people will do anything for money".
 
2013-06-30 09:43:35 AM

cameroncrazy1984: There goes Perez' tire! This race is absolutely bonkers.


Yup, looked like this race was going to have another tire build failure.  I wonder if during the debrief they are going to just cut the tires in half to show what broke.
 
2013-06-30 09:45:49 AM
So will it be David, Damon or Eddie to do the podium interviews?
 
2013-06-30 09:46:30 AM
Well, I guess there's time for a nap before NASCAR's commercial, I mean race.
 
2013-06-30 09:47:05 AM
Oh wow, Stirling Moss was the last Mercedes driver to win at Silverstone.
 
2013-06-30 09:48:23 AM

Norfolking Chance: soj4life: The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.

You might be right but all the tyres have gone at exactly the same place so it could be the track as well. We won't know until later


Well two of the failures were near a corner, but two of them were on straightaways.  Along with that, all were the same tire location.  If there was anything on track, a different tire would have went.
 
2013-06-30 09:50:41 AM
Now what to stream....Pikes Peak or Watkins Glen?
 
2013-06-30 09:52:19 AM
Top Gear UK returns this evening. Time to upgrade my utorrent.
 
2013-06-30 09:54:03 AM

Kurohone: Now what to stream....Pikes Peak or Watkins Glen?


What's going on at the Glen?
 
2013-06-30 09:57:56 AM

soj4life: Norfolking Chance: soj4life: The issues we are seeing today is with the build quality, it does not have anything to do with the tread on the tires.

You might be right but all the tyres have gone at exactly the same place so it could be the track as well. We won't know until later

Well two of the failures were near a corner, but two of them were on straightaways.  Along with that, all were the same tire location.  If there was anything on track, a different tire would have went.


Even those that let go on the straight you could see the tyre starting to deflate on the exit of the corner. It could be bad tyres, track issue or under-inflation by the teams. There was a 2psi spread in tyre pressure from the teams. Not a cut and dry issue.
 
2013-06-30 09:58:37 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Kurohone: Now what to stream....Pikes Peak or Watkins Glen?

What's going on at the Glen?


6hr Rolex race.
 
2013-06-30 10:02:54 AM

good_2_go: Top Gear UK returns this evening. Time to upgrade my utorrent.


Really, I thought they were done for the year. 

Oh yeah, there is the wiki article on it.  Hmm, to torrent or wait a week for bbca to have it.
 
2013-06-30 10:04:21 AM

soj4life: good_2_go: Top Gear UK returns this evening. Time to upgrade my utorrent.

Really, I thought they were done for the year. 

Oh yeah, there is the wiki article on it.  Hmm, to torrent or wait a week for bbca to have it.


BBCA will have commercial interruptions and won't show the News segment in its entirety.
 
2013-06-30 10:20:03 AM

Kurohone: cameroncrazy1984: Kurohone: Now what to stream....Pikes Peak or Watkins Glen?

What's going on at the Glen?

6hr Rolex race.


Wish I had known, I would've gone over to see that. It's only about 3 hours from here.
 
2013-06-30 10:25:09 AM

soj4life: Hmm, to torrent or wait a week for bbca to have it.


It won't be on BBC Canada in the next 2 weeks, so I'm not waiting around.
 
2013-06-30 10:31:09 AM
I actually really liked what Grand-Am did with Watkins Glen last year - ran an endurance style race on the long course, then came back later in the season to do a sprint race on the short configuration.

Looks like they dropped the sprint race this year, unfortunately.
 
2013-06-30 10:33:55 AM
Well, that race went from exasperating to tedious to hilarious to really quite exciting.

BBC had a look at turn 4 suggesting the kerb was excessively sharp and causing the tyre failures. Although Massa's happened right before it. Could be a contributing factor, though.
 
2013-06-30 10:35:00 AM
Think we'd ever see Webber give NASCAR a spin?
 
2013-06-30 10:37:16 AM

Siamese Bream: Well, that race went from exasperating to tedious to hilarious to really quite exciting.

BBC had a look at turn 4 suggesting the kerb was excessively sharp and causing the tyre failures. Although Massa's happened right before it. Could be a contributing factor, though.


Gary Anderson: "We have heard a lot today about Turn 4 and we have come to have look at what could be causing these punctures. Looking at the part inside the kerb, it is green to match the grass but it is actually concrete. The cars go over the section and the sidewall of the tyre could be getting caught on a sharp part of the kerb, it is about the height we saw the tyre getting cut and coming off."
 
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