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2013-06-30 12:17:17 AM
17 votes:

Bucky Katt: religion makes people stupid


No, people made religion stupid.

There are very valid underlying philosophies that are worth examining in each of the popular religions. The mumbo-jumbo is easily separated from this (as it should be)

Stupid people using it as an escape from reality have just polluted what should otherwise be a noble and though-provoking exploration of ourselves, each other and all the things and reasons in this world we don't yet understand. This is nothing new, it's a timeless tradition.

Intelligent and honest people don't need to dismiss religion, they need to make it their own. It's not like the morons that believe angels are following them to work have any clue what it is they're doing anyways. 90% of the self professed Christians in this nation simply CAN NOT reconcile the cornerstones of their religions with their own lives and beliefs. (If we could, we wouldn't all be fat, greedy war-mongers.)
 We stomp on religion today. But it's not that deserving of it, it's the people that use it for their own selfish ends that need to be drug into the street and boo'd.

/Such as the db in tfa.

Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place.
We should just ignore the fact they tried to bookend his words with thousands of pages of fairy tales, draconian stone-age laws and fever dreams.
2013-06-30 12:03:43 AM
9 votes:
disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com
Why does God Need A Helicopter?
2013-06-30 01:36:34 AM
6 votes:

jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive. It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.


It's more than that.  It's an attempt to fuse Evangelical Christianity with Free Market Capitalism.  By fusing Jesus with the Dollar, you create a doctrine whereby any attempt to constrain capitalism is not simply socialism, but is actually a sin against God.  Moreover, if you aren't successful, it's because you're not blessed by God, so you had better get with the program if you want to get your proper reward in heaven.
2013-06-30 02:54:47 AM
5 votes:
What astounds me isn't someone being so brazen to ask for handouts totaling fifty thousand dollars for their helicopter. What astounds me is people didn't get up and walk out right after he asked.

It's funny how the Christians don't seem to realize that if there is a God and a Devil, the Devil is going to be corrupting the good from within, that to stop using their God-given faculties to think and blindly follow someone because they say they're doing God's work is a surefire way to end up doing evil.

/atheist
2013-06-30 02:48:19 AM
5 votes:

MurphyMurphy: Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place.
We should just ignore the fact they tried to bookend his words with thousands of pages of fairy tales, draconian stone-age laws and fever dreams.


I've always been a tremendous fan of Jesus. I just don't believe he was the son of God. I don't believe in God, for that matter. But that Jesus cat was alright. If I had to emulate only one person from history, it'd be him.

And that's why people like the subject of TFA astound and anger me. Despite not being a Christian I'm actually personally offended by people who use my man Jesus to dupe the gullible. I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.
2013-06-30 01:36:13 AM
5 votes:
And to think that it's all tax free. Praise Jesus.
2013-06-29 11:34:46 PM
5 votes:
Did you read the appeal? Good god. Donate $52 and God will provide you with your dream vehicle in as little as 52 days!

How can some people be so retarded?
2013-06-30 02:53:55 AM
4 votes:
No, this is not asinine.  What is asinine is that his moranic followers will probably give him the money.
2013-06-29 11:59:03 PM
4 votes:

jake_lex: I'm surprised no one here jumped on "Are you trying to  salea car..."

Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive.  It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.


What galls me most is how he has to dress it up as an exchange, complete with appeal to greed.  He couldn't just say "We need X dollars to upgrade the helicopter" and "It's okay to pray for your finances."  Instead, it was "Give us X dollars to upgrade the helicopter and God MIGHT help your finances."
2013-06-29 11:55:56 PM
4 votes:
I'm surprised no one here jumped on "Are you trying to  salea car..."

Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive.  It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.
2013-06-29 11:39:46 PM
4 votes:
Congregations on writing what will surely be the headline of the week, subby.
2013-06-30 01:48:38 AM
3 votes:
If Jesus ever meets this twat, he is going to kick his lying, greedy balls from here to Kingdom Come.

/atheist, for damn good reason.
2013-06-30 12:50:39 AM
3 votes:
The Bible verse he references in the letter says this:

2 Chronicles 20:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 Early in the morning they left for the Desert of Tekoa. As they set out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, "Listen to me, Judah and people of Jerusalem! Have faith in the Lord your God and you will be upheld; have faith in his prophets and you will be successful."

So, this charlatan is essentially calling himself a prophet.
2013-06-30 12:02:30 AM
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bill Graham flies into power lines and this sh*tstain is allowed to live

/there is no god


Yeah, I hope this asshole's "Aviation manager" used to work for Stevie Ray Vaughn.

Seriously, what the fark kind of church has an "Aviation Manager"?
2013-06-29 11:46:14 PM
3 votes:
Congregations on the greenlight!
2013-06-29 11:44:24 PM
3 votes:

violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]


Astounding.

He's actually saying that if you donate money to his helicopter upgrade, God will provide money for your own car repairs.

I'll admit, I really didn't believe that the health and wealth gospel was real.  But there it is.
2013-06-30 11:55:34 AM
2 votes:
Hey they are just sticking to the same religious schtick. Just to the extreme.

You can promise everything, then deliver nothing, and if the product is defective... blame the customer.

That's how organized religion works. (Much of it anyway... these prosperity guys especially.) It would also be illegal in the real world.

"Hah...glory! You did not sow your prosperity seed in fertile ground... therefore you get nothing... I said good day sir."

"However if you contribute $1000 this time... it'll work! I promise! (That I'll build a hot tub in the guest house.)"

I am an atheist. I am not against those who genuinely have faith. I understand those who genuinely seek answers, and sometimes that's not easy. People like this "bishop" genuinely need jail time. But I realize the government can't, or shouldn't, intervene any more than religion should intervene in the government. All I can say to the faithful is find the smallest, most humble church with a message that appeals to you. You are likely to find a congregation that you'll come to know by their first names... you'll come to know and love them, and vice versa. If you believe in god, he is there also, not just in a baptidome that demands money for favors from god. You are a sucker if you keep giving to a person like this. Your money isn't going to doing "god's work" it is going to a man. And you will never see it again.

Matthew 18:20:For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.

/grew up catholic... even the devil can quote scripture. Heh.
2013-06-30 09:36:16 AM
2 votes:

boyd1031: The true Mormon Church "The Church of Jesus Christof Latter Day Saints" does not use money to pay any of the Priesthood. None NONE of the priesthood receive any money for working in the church.


Instead it goes towards political misinformation campaigns designed to deprive other humans of their legal rights. Until the SCOTUS finally knocks that shiat down.


Yeah, totally better.
2013-06-30 09:32:17 AM
2 votes:
We invented money to help serve us in a way that was agreeable and equitable.  Everybody agreed it had value, so you could exchange it for a chicken dinner and a roof.  Now it's our latest issue, prefab tin god.  If it all burns to ashes tomorrow, I don't know if we'd be worse off than we are prostrate before it, licking it's ass and praying for it to fall in our laps.  We do, believe and condone some of the most egregious sh*t imaginable for these drab, numerically festooned IOUs.
2013-06-30 08:59:57 AM
2 votes:
Note: Every Evangelical Protestant Preacher who calls himself a Bishop is a con-artist and a fraud.

/What do you want to bet 99% of Mega-Church members make fun of Catholics for "Following" the Pope.
2013-06-30 08:54:34 AM
2 votes:

Mentat: jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive. It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.

It's more than that.  It's an attempt to fuse Evangelical Christianity with Free Market Capitalism.  By fusing Jesus with the Dollar, you create a doctrine whereby any attempt to constrain capitalism is not simply socialism, but is actually a sin against God.  Moreover, if you aren't successful, it's because you're not blessed by God, so you had better get with the program if you want to get your proper reward in heaven.


Holy crap, this. It's always been about class warfare. All the debate you see about the "Liberals vs the Conservatives", the "Republicans vs the Democrats" or the Romulans vs the Federation is just a bunch of useless jerking off. It's about the 1% vs everybody else. It's about the clueful vs the clueless.

As George Carlin pointed out:
"That is the way the ruling class operates in any society. They try to divide the rest of the people. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other, so that they, the rich, can run off with all the farking money."
2013-06-30 08:43:45 AM
2 votes:

Mr. Right: I understand the outrage about a church spending this kind of money, and I firmly believe that this "bishop" is a shyster and a fraud.  But I need to point out that everything he does, extravagant and wasteful though it be, is done with money that is freely donated.

Compare that to the billions of dollars that are manifestly wasted every single day by our various levels of government - federal, state, and local.  That money is not voluntarily given but is confiscated through threats and coercion.  I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?


"Freely donated?" Are you unaware what happens in churches?

Catholics: Tithe because God says so!
Methodists: You're responsible for keeping this church going!
Megachurches: God (OK, me) is telling you to empty your pocketbooks to keep his word going. Otherwise...you're going to hell! And don't worry about my closets of expensive suits and lavish house and cars...all paid for by your collection plates...that's just God being good to me...or something.
Jews: (They'll guilt you into giving your last nickel. Kol Nidre and all that.)
Mormons: See "Catholics"

It's all a racket.
2013-06-30 05:59:28 AM
2 votes:
I wonder what it must be like to have so little shame and empathy. People always try to make it sound like a bad thing, but this guy seems to be living a sweet life. He'd be selling off granny's kidneys if he could get away with it.

The bible does have a quote for this, from Psalms. "I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree."
2013-06-30 05:05:48 AM
2 votes:
If that helicopter has a Jesus Nut I hope it has a crisis of faith.


\tax the churches...
2013-06-30 04:12:51 AM
2 votes:

Dahnkster: Here's his house....
[img10.imageshack.us image 627x327]



This shiat always depresses me. I'm no Commie, but man, when you run around professing the Lord's word - and the Beatitudes are any part of your arsenal, which they are if you are kind of a Christian preacher - and this is the way you live, you're awful. Justin Bieber is my current daily pop culture smack in the face on that issue - really, kid? If you're such a great Christian, quit with the 50 trillion dollar pairs of diamond-studded shoelaces and show up somewhere in your own country with a banquet for the homeless. And wash their feet, while you're at it.
2013-06-30 04:10:41 AM
2 votes:
Nice to finally see a Christian religious leader with his priorities straight...

Of course, I'm sure that I will be told that one asshat is not representative of an entire religion, most likely by someone who will also insist that all Muslims are terrorists.
2013-06-30 03:51:22 AM
2 votes:

violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]


Wow. I can't decide whether I am more:

* shocked at how brazen he is
* angry at what a phenomenally shiatty human being he is
* grudgingly impressed that he has so little shame and thus has become fabulously wealthy by bilking ignoramuses
* sad for the people who believe that "prosperity gospel" stuff
* pleased that "a fool and his money are soon parted" is so neatly reinforced

/"I'm looking for your name on my Specials Friends list so I can agree with you in prayer" is just so farking manipulative
2013-06-30 03:28:20 AM
2 votes:

Befuddled: What astounds me isn't someone being so brazen to ask for handouts totaling fifty thousand dollars for their helicopter. What astounds me is people didn't get up and walk out right after he asked.

It's funny how the Christians don't seem to realize that if there is a God and a Devil, the Devil is going to be corrupting the good from within, that to stop using their God-given faculties to think and blindly follow someone because they say they're doing God's work is a surefire way to end up doing evil.

/atheist



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2013-06-30 03:21:24 AM
2 votes:

Befuddled: What astounds me isn't someone being so brazen to ask for handouts totaling fifty thousand dollars for their helicopter. What astounds me is people didn't get up and walk out right after he asked.

It's funny how the Christians don't seem to realize that if there is a God and a Devil, the Devil is going to be corrupting the good from within, that to stop using their God-given faculties to think and blindly follow someone because they say they're doing God's work is a surefire way to end up doing evil.

/atheist


What makes me laugh is the fact that Christians claim that their Jesus is the one who went into the Synagogues and told the people to get rid of the "moneychangers in the temple", yet these Christians attend Megachurches where the pastor, his family, and his staff ARE the moneychangers! They go into the megachurch and come out with a bill saying "Give the church 10 % of your wealth, to be a good Christian, and give us your tax returns to make sure you're giving your tithe." Judaism and Islam have the same guilt trip in their particular faiths, but no one is prying into someone's personal life to make sure they're being a "good person" in the eyes of the religious leader (who in Christianity's hands is mainly a fraudster as seen through these Megachurches)

/Jew
2013-06-30 03:09:57 AM
2 votes:
I got $100 that this is a Baptist or Non-Denominational Church.
/If you see a ATM machine in your church...........leave and never go back
2013-06-30 03:08:59 AM
2 votes:
In the words of Rush LImbaugh
you have to consider the audience

and the fact is
that a very large portion of the population
is stupid
2013-06-30 02:58:47 AM
2 votes:
Hilliard allegedly responded to Isiah Carey of Fox stating: "New Light Church World Outreach and Worship Centers, Inc. regularly make appeals

I want to laugh, but I get the feeling that's not a joke.
2013-06-30 02:50:55 AM
2 votes:
Grew up watching TBN. The Crouchs have been selling prosperity gospel for years.  If you can afford to give your dog its own mansion, I guess prosperity is working for someone.

/Took college and a few years to undo the damage those people did to my psyche.
2013-06-30 02:42:01 AM
2 votes:
"Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money."

- George Carlin
2013-06-30 02:11:32 AM
2 votes:
Woke up this mornin', turned on the t.v. set.
there in livin' color, was somethin' I can't forget.
This man was preachin' at me, yeah, layin' on the charm
askin' me for twenty, with ten-thousand on his arm.
He wore designer clothes, and a big smile on his face
sellin' me salvation while they sang Amazin' Grace.
Askin' me for money, when he had all the signs of wealth.
I almost wrote a check out, yeah, then I asked myself


Would He wear a pinky ring, would He drive a fancy car?
Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressin' room have a star?
If He came back tomorrow, well there's somethin' I'd like to know
Could ya tell me, Would Jesus wear a Rolex on His television show?
2013-06-30 12:58:33 AM
2 votes:

jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive. It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.


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It has some roots in 19th and early 20th century liberal mind-cure/religious healing sort of stuff. A lot of that did already have a Christian flavor to it, but its the hypercapitalist fantasy that really sets this contemporary  stuff apart.
2013-06-30 12:53:37 AM
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: The Bible verse he references in the letter says this:

2 Chronicles 20:20

New International Version (NIV)

20 Early in the morning they left for the Desert of Tekoa. As they set out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, "Listen to me, Judah and people of Jerusalem! Have faith in the Lord your God and you will be upheld; have faith in his prophets and you will be successful."

So, this charlatan is essentially calling himself a prophet.


Jumpin' Jehoshaphat!

/That's spelled "Profit"
2013-06-30 12:31:33 AM
2 votes:

MurphyMurphy: No, people made religion, stupid.


FTFY
2013-06-29 11:52:40 PM
2 votes:
Personal Jesus.
2013-06-30 10:33:35 PM
1 votes:

Tumunga: He's black. Because he's black, he doesn't fit the FarkLibtard definition of White Cracker Right Wing Fundamentalistic Tea-bagger. Therefore, anything he says is true.All you FarkLibbies need to send him $52, so you can get that Prius you've been dreaming about.


darkdiamond.net
2013-06-30 05:36:26 PM
1 votes:

maram500: Mr. Right: I understand the outrage about a church spending this kind of money, and I firmly believe that this "bishop" is a shyster and a fraud.  But I need to point out that everything he does, extravagant and wasteful though it be, is done with money that is freely donated.

Compare that to the billions of dollars that are manifestly wasted every single day by our various levels of government - federal, state, and local.  That money is not voluntarily given but is confiscated through threats and coercion.  I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?

"Freely donated?" Are you unaware what happens in churches?

Catholics: Tithe because God says so!
Methodists: You're responsible for keeping this church going!
Megachurches: God (OK, me) is telling you to empty your pocketbooks to keep his word going. Otherwise...you're going to hell! And don't worry about my closets of expensive suits and lavish house and cars...all paid for by your collection plates...that's just God being good to me...or something.
Jews: (They'll guilt you into giving your last nickel. Kol Nidre and all that.)
Mormons: See "Catholics"

It's all a racket.


Um ... no. The Mormons have a formal process where one has a sit-down with the bishop and makes a declaration of one's income and giving. (Disclaimer: Most of what I know about the LDS approach to tithing came up last year during the discussion over Rmoney's tax returns.)

OTOH, the Catholic church has no such process whatsoever. A column I read about a month ago (in the newspaper published by my archdiocese) explained that for us mackerel snappers, the general recommendation is 5% to one's parish, and another 5% to other charities.

So I toss $5 in the collection envelope if I'm not at Mass, and $20 on the rare occasions when I attend. For every buck the Church gets, I try to give $2 to the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, the SPLC or anything that supports what I consider to be the fundamental rights with which we are born. Fr. Tony is just glad to get a few hundred from me over the course of a year, and he wouldn't dare ask where the rest of my money goes.

This is how it should work. YMMV.
2013-06-30 05:18:22 PM
1 votes:
Ah, the prosperity gospel.

The fraction of christianity that seems to ignore that the only people in the Bible that jesus ever, ever got angry at were people utilizing religion to make a profit.

For perspective, he didn't even get angry at <i> SATAN </i> when satan tried to tempt him in the desert (according to the bible). But the moneychangers in the temple? He farking flipped.

And then, there's, you know, Matthew 6:24.
""No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. "
2013-06-30 11:30:46 AM
1 votes:

Ultraviolet Catastrophe: MurphyMurphy:
Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place  slaves to submit to their masters.

FTFY.  Ephesians 6:5.  Let us give thanks for the word of the Lord.


Actually, you're making the same mistake here as the conman- using text out of context. The book of Ephesians may say that- word for word- but continues to order masters to treat their slaves not as slaves, but as brothers and equals... all the while, another book written by Paul (Philemon) re: a runaway slave establishes that because slavery is the law of the land, the slave must return to his master... but again orders the owner to treat him as a brother, not a slave... and urges the owner to "do what is right," but must do so of his "own free will"... implying that he should free the man. At which point, said slave owner, also a Christian, frees the man.

So indeed. Let us give thanks.

Several people, in several places, have mentioned that the Bible can't and shouldn't be relied on to provide simple answers to complex moral problems... I agree. Anyone who orders their morality or beliefs off the value-menu, so to speak, has done themselves and the rest of the world a great disservice...
But as demonstrated above, the Bible and Christianity- approached in a wider context of both multiple passages (and of course history, ethics, phil, sci, etc, whenever even remotely applicable)- doesn't preach anything even vaguely simple of a solution to ANYTHING.
Paul clearly believed slavery was wrong, but because it was the law of the land, the runaway slave needed to return and submit (not exactly simple, there)... and the owner needed to either treat him far better than a slave- hell, better than any standard we hold corporations to today, let's be honest- or free him altogether.

Doglover - on the money.

God-is-a-Taco -
His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?


Has nothing to do with agreeing. I've studied every religion I could find on the planet- though I would hardly call myself an expert. Most, if not all, have my respect, if not my faith. I came back around to Christianity because I decided it fit my ideals best (though, admittedly, a variation that's fallen somewhat out of popularity in the US... you know, where I follow the teachings of Christ, not the Pharisees).

Followers do not make a religion. Locations do not make a religion. By your logic, Microsoft or Apple are probably a more popular religions than Christianity or Islam.
From Merriam-Webster:

Religion (noun) -
1 a : the state of a religious person, particularly a nun or priest, etc
   b : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
   c : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 : scrupulous conformity (as in Conscientiousness - out of common usage)
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
So... our Bishop here has perverted nearly every definition above. Even if you buy his BS about needing a helicopter to spread God's word (when the funds could do that far far better in dozens of more important ways)... he's telling his followers to give him the money not because it serves God, but because it serves them- they'll get something they need out of it- a reward. Religion in definition 1 is about service to something higher than self... and I don't buy his BS. He's turned the church to his own service.

I suppose you could dub it a religion based on #2 or #4... but then, you'd have to paint atheism with the same brush.
And it certainly isn't Christianity, in any case. It is a perversion of Christianity, used for self-gratification and general abuse.
 
Cpl.D - Re: Fundamentalists... so much. Oh so much.

The worst part is, modern Christians could benefit SOOO much from studying their own history... so many of the problems with fundamentalism... the relationship between the church and modern world... all of it... would never have formed if the church in the US hadn't decided decades ago to run (not walk) away from it's own history or tradition in favor of extra-extra-big helpings of fervor, with a side of zealotry.
As AN example: The church pretty much world-wide came out 'on the fence' about evolution when it was first controversial in scientific circles... and eventually came out in favor of it so long as it wasn't used to undermine church teachings on the spiritual nature of the world.
As AN example: There really hasn't been a new argument against the existence of God/god/gods since 2000 BCE... do you really think in all that time, not one theologian or philosopher ever tackled those arguments and came up with any well-grounded responses? Yet... theologians and seminarians aside, I've yet to meet a single modern Christian who's even aware of the fact, much less familiar with them.
As AN example: Used to be that when a church went rogue or started screwing up like this- someone would farking nail a list of what was wrong with them to their door and then go to work on getting it fixed... but these days, it's the rogue churches who do all the talking- who claim that (true) traditionalists and reformationists have gone soft, and zealous hardline mentalities are the only way. I mean... come on! Seriously! If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll take a road trip to Westboro and go Martin Luther on their door on my next day off if that's what it takes! Why hasn't anyone else done this? It's supposed to be our responsibility to police our own, or disown them.

Here's me, disowning them. They're not Christians... they're a Christian cult- an offshoot and perversion.

Study pointing out that the majority of modern Christians (by sample group) have abandoned the teachings of Christ completely... in favor of, of all things, the group of people he fought with most often and who ultimately got him killed:
https://www.barna.org/barna-update/faith-spirituality/611-christians -m ore-like-jesus-or-pharisees
If that doesn't qualify them as a cult/off-shoot perversion... I dunno what does.
2013-06-30 11:29:41 AM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: WTF is the "Amplified Bible?"


Our Bibles go up to 11.
2013-06-30 09:28:20 AM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: When at last, you see the light,
God's gonna buy you a satellite!

/Obscurish?


About as obscure on FARK as:

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz
My Friends all drive Porsches I must make amends
2013-06-30 09:00:36 AM
1 votes:
Christianity in this country has been subverted.  It isn't a religion anymore so much as it is a fundraising group for a political party.  If it WERE a religion, then the adherents would actually follow the basic tenants.  But they don't.

For one example, bearing false witness against your neighbor is a no-no.  But look at the creationists and the climate change deniers.  No problems lying through their teeth.  For another example, the anti-abortion folks who say it's for religious reasons, yet their own holy book, specifically Numbers 5, not only doesn't endorses abortion, but in that passage details how it can be done in an acceptable manner by a priest in a church.

Every time I run into a fundie Christian, I can't help but roll my eyes.  It's too damned interesting a world to invent a fantasy one to replace it.

/fundie family, deals with it all the freaking time
2013-06-30 08:56:19 AM
1 votes:

NutWrench: Holy crap, this. It's always been about class warfare. All the debate you see about the "Liberals vs the Conservatives", the "Republicans vs the Democrats" or the Romulans vs the Federation is just a bunch of useless jerking off. It's about the 1% vs everybody else. It's about the clueful vs the clueless.


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2013-06-30 08:55:50 AM
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Forbidden Doughnut: Mentat: jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive. It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.

It's more than that.  It's an attempt to fuse Evangelical Christianity with Free Market Capitalism.  By fusing Jesus with the Dollar, you create a doctrine whereby any attempt to constrain capitalism is not simply socialism, but is actually a sin against God.  Moreover, if you aren't successful, it's because you're not blessed by God, so you had better get with the program if you want to get your proper reward in heaven.

If we ever sink back to 16th cent. -type religious wars here in the West ( Protestant vs. Catholic), I'm siding with the Catholics. This "Prosperity Gospel" heresy is something I'd be OK with being stomped out of existence....


Umm...you do know why the Reformation happened, right? One big thing was selling "indulgences" so that your dead relatives could escape the torments of hell they otherwise deserved. Or you could bankroll your own cushy postlife in advance.

Not much difference.
2013-06-30 08:55:34 AM
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Mentat: jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive. It really does sound like it's welding some New Age "The Secret" bullshiat onto Christianity to rip off suckers.

It's more than that.  It's an attempt to fuse Evangelical Christianity with Free Market Capitalism.  By fusing Jesus with the Dollar, you create a doctrine whereby any attempt to constrain capitalism is not simply socialism, but is actually a sin against God.  Moreover, if you aren't successful, it's because you're not blessed by God, so you had better get with the program if you want to get your proper reward in heaven.


I picture Christ coming back with a flamethrower for these guys.  Tipping over the tables just didn't sink in.
2013-06-30 08:51:29 AM
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HotWingAgenda: Hilliard allegedly responded to Isiah Carey of Fox stating: "New Light Church World Outreach and Worship Centers, Inc. regularly make appeals

I want to laugh, but I get the feeling that's not a joke.


To be fair, most tax-exempt nonprofits are incorporated.  If you go to the county records or local equivalent, you'll see plenty of listings for something like "The Parish and Vestry of St. So-and-so, Inc.".
2013-06-30 08:41:11 AM
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AnyName: wildlifer: So we have a Benny Hinn wannabe?
Paying for forgiveness is cathocism,
With baptists' it's free of charge, just ask, no middle man.

I wouldn't mess with him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYNHDMXuuAQ


Evacuate? Now, in our time of triumph? No, we shall show them the power of this FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL Megachurch!

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2013-06-30 07:59:03 AM
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how can you be outraged about government spending when there are starving children in the world?

how can you care about starving children when the planet's climate is changing before our very addled eyes?

how can you care about climate change when there are human trafficking and slavery rings *right now* selling human beings for less than a chopper blade replacement payment?

how can you care about human trafficking when THE REVERSE VAMPIRES RULE THE WORLD?

and really, how the fark can you care about reverse vampires when things like forced, strained comparisons can derail anything in the world you could possibly care about?
2013-06-30 07:55:48 AM
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I have a counter proposal. He buys me a $50,000 dollar vehicle and God will fix his helicopter for him
2013-06-30 06:10:06 AM
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God the Holy Ghost is calling out to embrace you. I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks and take his hand.
2013-06-30 05:54:53 AM
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jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive.

Word. I would pay to see Jesus biatchslap Joel Osteen.
2013-06-30 05:33:10 AM
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ARedthorn: dickfreckle: MurphyMurphy: I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.

Ranger Rover: Pretty farkin' angry.

Agreed. This is not religion. It is disguised as religion, but it is abuse. It is a con job and yet another pyramid scheme.



His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?
2013-06-30 05:05:21 AM
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www.atomicbooks.com

Come on, give me something I can take to the bank for my $52.  The Buddy Christ bobblehead!!
2013-06-30 04:25:48 AM
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bindlestiff2600: In the words of Rush LImbaugh
you have to consider the audience

and the fact is
that a very large portion of the population
is stupid


Assume intelligence has a normal distribution, just like height, or pinky size, or every other natural attribute. Now the "normal" IQ, i.e., the top point on the curve, is defined as an IQ of 100. Now, 100 is not a very high IQ. So we are saying the average person is not very bright. 50 percent of the population is not even as bright as the average person.
2013-06-30 04:03:05 AM
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Dr Gene Scott used to do the same thing when he wanted to buy another horse. I found his candor refreshing at a time when Oral Roberts was telling people that God wanted 8 million dollars to let him live.

/He was also the best televangelist to watch when high. I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn Beck got his chalkboard bit from him.

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2013-06-30 03:53:31 AM
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danielscissorhands: Is "congratulations" (instead of congregation) in the headline a typo by a drunk-mitter, or is this a reference to something else?

Thank you.


It was a typo. Yes, I was drunk.

/still am
2013-06-30 03:51:28 AM
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DarkSoulNoHope: What makes me laugh is the fact that Christians claim that their Jesus is the one who went into the Synagogues and told the people to get rid of the "moneychangers in the temple", yet these Christians attend Megachurches where the pastor, his family, and his staff ARE the moneychangers! They go into the megachurch and come out with a bill saying "Give the church 10 % of your wealth, to be a good Christian, and give us your tax returns to make sure you're giving your tithe." Judaism and Islam have the same guilt trip in their particular faiths, but no one is prying into someone's personal life to make sure they're being a "good person" in the eyes of the religious leader (who in Christianity's hands is mainly a fraudster as seen through these Megachurches)


The thing you have to remember is that these fundy evangelicals don't actually read the bible. They listen to their churches and think they know what's in there.
They haven't heard about the money lenders. They don't know what was actually in the Sermon on the Mount. They certainly don't know about what Jesus said about "hypocrites who pray on street corners."
Studies have shown that in America, Atheists know more about what's in the bible than Christians.
2013-06-30 03:46:52 AM
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Bathia_Mapes: 2 Chronicles 20:20


There's also 2 Corinthians 9:7-8 "7Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work."

Which is lovely, since he doesn't finish the complete statement, particularly verse 9 "9As it is written: "They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;their righteousness endures forever."

Though in the letter he does reference sowing gifts, which comes along in verse 10, but by skipping verse 9 he makes it mean something very different.

And his use of Mark 10 is super lulzy the verses he cites, 27-30

" 27Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God." 28Then Peter spoke up, "We have left everything to follow you!" 29"Truly I tell you," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields-along with persecutions-and in the age to come eternal life."

Come right after Jesus tells the rich man to give up everything and come follow him, only to have the rich man walk away dejected. And right after, verse 23, is "23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"

This guy is a Biblical shyster of just epic proportions.
2013-06-30 03:45:30 AM
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Bucky Katt: religion makes people stupid


I'm more inclined to think it's a form of mental illness.
2013-06-30 03:40:47 AM
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Is "congratulations" (instead of congregation) in the headline a typo by a drunk-mitter, or is this a reference to something else?

Thank you.
2013-06-30 03:39:35 AM
1 votes:
I'm the Weeners this?

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drjekel_mrhyde: I got $100 that this is a Baptist or Non-Denominational Church.
/If you see a ATM machine in your church...........leave and never go back


Get yer money changed, right here in the temple!

There's no Walmart of salvation. It is an individual journey for each person. I guess some people are able to get a sense of community or "salvation" from this version of it.. even if it is an obvious long-con from anyone outside looking in.

I wish people were smarter but if that makes them happy somehow they're free to be duped.
2013-06-30 03:39:23 AM
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Jesus walked on water there is no reason this Turkey couldn't flap his wings and fly
2013-06-30 03:38:40 AM
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www.newlight.org
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2013-06-30 03:36:36 AM
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MurphyMurphy: Bucky Katt: religion makes people stupid

No, people made religion stupid.

There are very valid underlying philosophies that are worth examining in each of the popular religions. The mumbo-jumbo is easily separated from this (as it should be)

Stupid people using it as an escape from reality have just polluted what should otherwise be a noble and though-provoking exploration of ourselves, each other and all the things and reasons in this world we don't yet understand. This is nothing new, it's a timeless tradition.

Intelligent and honest people don't need to dismiss religion, they need to make it their own.
We stomp on religion today. But it's not that deserving of it, it's the people that use it for their own selfish ends that need to be drug into the street and boo'd.

/Such as the db in tfa.

Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place.
We should just ignore the fact they tried to bookend his words with thousands of pages of fairy tales, draconian stone-age laws and fever dreams.


Well said, and I don't know if I've heard this argument put in this way before. Usually, when I hear in a conversation the statement that someone is against "organized religion," my eyes would glaze over in anticipation of mindless drivel, but they don't have to because the speaker is usually done, leaning back to take in the effects of their hip, edgy, independent-thinker mentality on my dumb little religious brain.
Organized religion, or the people acting in the name of it, has led to a lot of awfulness. But I would argue, part for parcel, in ways that don't get reported on too often in the public consciousness in the same way that airplane crashes are over-reported as against the millions of planes that take off and land safely every day, it's probably done considerably more good than harm. It gives many of us of a grounding in basic moral philosophy, it encourages tenets and codes of conduct that have a remarkable amount in common no matter what the religion or where on earth, it inspires, it gives desperate people a reason to go on, it feeds hungry people, it provides shelter to abused people, it provides counsel to confused people, a sense of community for lonely people or newcomers to an area, and it provides a wonderful and needed safety net for people in the netherworld between middle-class comfort and the more abject poverty needed for government assistance.

That said, things like this are a big part of the problem. Megachurches sorta scare me.
2013-06-30 03:06:59 AM
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Was the OBVIOUS tag in a limo with a hooker?
2013-06-30 03:00:39 AM
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How else is gonna keep playing golf with Jesus?
2013-06-30 02:54:46 AM
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optikeye: [disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com image 450x338]
Why does God Need A Helicopter?


Came here to say that.
2013-06-30 02:52:34 AM
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Brothers and Sisters! Billy Dee Williams needs a new helicopter!
2013-06-30 02:48:55 AM
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FirstNationalBastard: optikeye: Why does God Need A Helicopter?

He is a big Airwolf fan. How do you think the show lasted four years?


Because it was awesome?
2013-06-30 01:15:54 AM
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Bucky Katt: cameroncrazy1984: Did you read the appeal? Good god. Donate $52 and God will provide you with your dream vehicle in as little as 52 days!

How can some people be so retarded?

religion makes people stupid


Also, people who are naturally stupid, or damaged, or desperate, kind of find their way to religion.
2013-06-30 12:54:27 AM
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violentsalvation: Thoguh: violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]

Is this real life?

as far as I can tell. Here the Bishop um clarifies, or something.


I like how it says "we didn't say we needed $50,000, we said we could save $50,000". The unstated part is that they likely need way more than 50k in order to save that much money on aircraft parts.
2013-06-30 12:18:09 AM
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A rotary winged sty.

I hope he gets some Dr House level disease that makes him totally incontinent with constant flatulence topped off with chronic diarrhea.
2013-06-30 12:12:17 AM
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It's like a bad Facebook post or email forward.
2013-06-29 11:43:10 PM
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cameroncrazy1984: Did you read the appeal? Good god. Donate $52 and God will provide you with your dream vehicle in as little as 52 days!

How can some people be so retarded?


religion makes people stupid
2013-06-29 11:40:53 PM
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I had something else typed but fark ate it. Anyway, that is absolutely crazy. I'm still not entirely convinced it isn't satire.
2013-06-29 11:37:30 PM
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www.newlight.org
2013-06-29 11:32:38 PM
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Mazel tov!
2013-06-29 11:30:30 PM
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Even con artists have expenses.
 
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