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2013-06-30 10:10:57 AM
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Star-Triple-Seven/Boeing-747SP-31/1881 1 42/M/&sid=1b3b9e6d3916712b6002f5a4719c4246

I'm at work so I can't get the picture linked.  Silly IT guys and their right-click disablin'.

Anyway, a helicopter is nothing.  This Boeing 747-SP belongs to Ernest Angley Ministries in Akron.  It sits at Akron-Canton Regional all day and is, for some reason, registered in Aruba.

$50k wouldn't even buy a set of tires for this thing.
 
2013-06-30 10:16:51 AM

violentsalvation: Thoguh: violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]

Is this real life?

as far as I can tell. Here the Bishop um clarifies, or something.



Wait - this guy created his own domain for this specific PR response?

Find out why this is a stupid idea at:

www.WaitthisguycreatedhisowndomainforthisspecificPRresponse.com
 
2013-06-30 10:18:43 AM
I'm astonished to see DAILY KOS attacking a black churchman. Isn't that racist?
 
2013-06-30 10:29:13 AM
Kinda hard to feel bad for anyone dumb enough to send this guy money.
 
2013-06-30 10:29:54 AM

Bucky Katt: Even con artists have expenses.


Al Gore's rocket chair!
 
2013-06-30 10:30:16 AM
Alright, all these congregants, get out. Out of the gene pool. Out.
 
2013-06-30 10:33:09 AM
Anybody else sickened by this pastor's lying Cheshire cat grin? Complete scumbag huckster on the order of Robert Tilton.
 
2013-06-30 10:33:15 AM

Dahnkster: Here's his house....
[img10.imageshack.us image 627x327]
Don't be so jelly. God would smote him if he didn't deserve it. BTW, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out most of the members of Rev. Hilliard's congregation likely vote strict Democratic ticket and are opposed to same-sex marriage. You guys are unfamiliar with the Rev. Hilliard and Paula White story? Where's your messiah now? Rev. Ike and Creflo A Dollar were preaching the prosperity gospel and fleecing the rubes for decades prior to this. The faithful followers of his mega-church believe this only confirms the man has God's blessings. You folks think only 'whitey' fundamentalist evangelicals preach that 'Word of Faith' prosperity theology? Wise the fark up.


If it was a white baptist church it would be a straight republican vote. All blacks vote democratic, duh!
 
2013-06-30 10:34:20 AM

oryx: Isn't that racist?


Why is it so difficult for conservatives to understand what racism is?
 
2013-06-30 10:34:52 AM
I worked for a nonprofit for awhile that put computer labs in underfunded schools, community centers, and churches that were used for things like teaching the elderly how to use the internet, after school programs, job skill courses, etc. We got a call from a newly formed church that had heard about us and wanted computers.

As usual we toured their location to assess what they would need and how much. The tour ended in the pastor's office. Prior to that job I worked in a place that made all sorts of expensive custom woodwork and I estimate that guy's office had about $40k worth of newly finished work in it, maybe more. He had a 200+ gallon (I also used to keep fish) saltwater tank which was not cheap to setup or maintain.

He then presented us with a list that his IT guy had made up of the computer that they wanted, all brand new high end systems at the time. We took donated computers from businesses and a nearby university. Our labs were old equipment, usually 4-16 machines depending on the space. This church wanted $40,000 worth of free computers for the lord. We couldn't help them.
 
2013-06-30 10:35:47 AM
Matt. 21:12  "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves insufferably ridiculous things like indulgences, promises of cars and wealth and tickets to heaven."
 
2013-06-30 10:36:33 AM

bunner: "habbeduh woob floopity, hemmeh umma wooma, hepta JEEEYUHZUSS, money money, hobbity hoo!"


I couldn't resist reading that aloud.
 
2013-06-30 10:38:24 AM

psychosis_inducing: bunner: "habbeduh woob floopity, hemmeh umma wooma, hepta JEEEYUHZUSS, money money, hobbity hoo!"

I couldn't resist reading that aloud.


And I bet his bishopness could recite it verbatim and get a new Maybach out of it.
 
2013-06-30 10:43:20 AM
More righteous the sinner seeking redemption than the pious hypocrite, assured that they own it.
 
2013-06-30 10:49:35 AM
Disgusting.
 
2013-06-30 11:12:46 AM

violentsalvation: Thoguh: violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]

Is this real life?

as far as I can tell. Here the Bishop um clarifies, or something.

In that link there was some rambling and references to the bible. The "amplified bible." WTF is the "Amplified Bible?"
 
2013-06-30 11:16:22 AM
Honestly?  Anyone in this "church" is already a farking moron.  At this point I encourage them to give all their savings to this charlatan.  Hell, take out a payday loan so you can give the guy more quickly!

Idiots.

I wonder if these megachurch scam artists ever have bets with their counterparts to see how blatantly they can rip people off and have them happy about it.  What's next, asking for special round of donations for new tires for his McLaren?
 
2013-06-30 11:29:41 AM

dr_blasto: WTF is the "Amplified Bible?"


Our Bibles go up to 11.
 
2013-06-30 11:30:15 AM

Bucky Katt: Even con artists have expenses.


And Christian RWers wonder why Americans spit in their general direction...
 
2013-06-30 11:30:46 AM

Ultraviolet Catastrophe: MurphyMurphy:
Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place  slaves to submit to their masters.

FTFY.  Ephesians 6:5.  Let us give thanks for the word of the Lord.


Actually, you're making the same mistake here as the conman- using text out of context. The book of Ephesians may say that- word for word- but continues to order masters to treat their slaves not as slaves, but as brothers and equals... all the while, another book written by Paul (Philemon) re: a runaway slave establishes that because slavery is the law of the land, the slave must return to his master... but again orders the owner to treat him as a brother, not a slave... and urges the owner to "do what is right," but must do so of his "own free will"... implying that he should free the man. At which point, said slave owner, also a Christian, frees the man.

So indeed. Let us give thanks.

Several people, in several places, have mentioned that the Bible can't and shouldn't be relied on to provide simple answers to complex moral problems... I agree. Anyone who orders their morality or beliefs off the value-menu, so to speak, has done themselves and the rest of the world a great disservice...
But as demonstrated above, the Bible and Christianity- approached in a wider context of both multiple passages (and of course history, ethics, phil, sci, etc, whenever even remotely applicable)- doesn't preach anything even vaguely simple of a solution to ANYTHING.
Paul clearly believed slavery was wrong, but because it was the law of the land, the runaway slave needed to return and submit (not exactly simple, there)... and the owner needed to either treat him far better than a slave- hell, better than any standard we hold corporations to today, let's be honest- or free him altogether.

Doglover - on the money.

God-is-a-Taco -
His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?


Has nothing to do with agreeing. I've studied every religion I could find on the planet- though I would hardly call myself an expert. Most, if not all, have my respect, if not my faith. I came back around to Christianity because I decided it fit my ideals best (though, admittedly, a variation that's fallen somewhat out of popularity in the US... you know, where I follow the teachings of Christ, not the Pharisees).

Followers do not make a religion. Locations do not make a religion. By your logic, Microsoft or Apple are probably a more popular religions than Christianity or Islam.
From Merriam-Webster:

Religion (noun) -
1 a : the state of a religious person, particularly a nun or priest, etc
   b : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
   c : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 : scrupulous conformity (as in Conscientiousness - out of common usage)
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
So... our Bishop here has perverted nearly every definition above. Even if you buy his BS about needing a helicopter to spread God's word (when the funds could do that far far better in dozens of more important ways)... he's telling his followers to give him the money not because it serves God, but because it serves them- they'll get something they need out of it- a reward. Religion in definition 1 is about service to something higher than self... and I don't buy his BS. He's turned the church to his own service.

I suppose you could dub it a religion based on #2 or #4... but then, you'd have to paint atheism with the same brush.
And it certainly isn't Christianity, in any case. It is a perversion of Christianity, used for self-gratification and general abuse.
 
Cpl.D - Re: Fundamentalists... so much. Oh so much.

The worst part is, modern Christians could benefit SOOO much from studying their own history... so many of the problems with fundamentalism... the relationship between the church and modern world... all of it... would never have formed if the church in the US hadn't decided decades ago to run (not walk) away from it's own history or tradition in favor of extra-extra-big helpings of fervor, with a side of zealotry.
As AN example: The church pretty much world-wide came out 'on the fence' about evolution when it was first controversial in scientific circles... and eventually came out in favor of it so long as it wasn't used to undermine church teachings on the spiritual nature of the world.
As AN example: There really hasn't been a new argument against the existence of God/god/gods since 2000 BCE... do you really think in all that time, not one theologian or philosopher ever tackled those arguments and came up with any well-grounded responses? Yet... theologians and seminarians aside, I've yet to meet a single modern Christian who's even aware of the fact, much less familiar with them.
As AN example: Used to be that when a church went rogue or started screwing up like this- someone would farking nail a list of what was wrong with them to their door and then go to work on getting it fixed... but these days, it's the rogue churches who do all the talking- who claim that (true) traditionalists and reformationists have gone soft, and zealous hardline mentalities are the only way. I mean... come on! Seriously! If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll take a road trip to Westboro and go Martin Luther on their door on my next day off if that's what it takes! Why hasn't anyone else done this? It's supposed to be our responsibility to police our own, or disown them.

Here's me, disowning them. They're not Christians... they're a Christian cult- an offshoot and perversion.

Study pointing out that the majority of modern Christians (by sample group) have abandoned the teachings of Christ completely... in favor of, of all things, the group of people he fought with most often and who ultimately got him killed:
https://www.barna.org/barna-update/faith-spirituality/611-christians -m ore-like-jesus-or-pharisees
If that doesn't qualify them as a cult/off-shoot perversion... I dunno what does.
 
2013-06-30 11:34:10 AM

Lordserb: Of course, the Devil continuously quoting and fulfilling scripture would nullify that entire argument...


Uh, really?  'Cause that's exactly what the Devil would do.  Or didn't you read it?
 
2013-06-30 11:34:49 AM
When I die, I hope I come back as a televangelist.  Big money, hot girls, helicopters!  Better hair than Trump.

Please, oh please, Flying Spaghetti Monster, reincarnate me as a psychopathic televangelist...
 
2013-06-30 11:36:43 AM

oryx: I'm astonished to see DAILY KOS attacking a black churchman. Isn't that racist?


They're an equal opportunity BS sniffer.
 
2013-06-30 11:52:25 AM

propasaurus: Brothers and Sisters! Billy Dee Williams needs a new helicopter!


Well, he did lose the Falcon.
 
2013-06-30 11:54:14 AM
These people vote.

There is no hope for us.
 
2013-06-30 11:55:34 AM
Hey they are just sticking to the same religious schtick. Just to the extreme.

You can promise everything, then deliver nothing, and if the product is defective... blame the customer.

That's how organized religion works. (Much of it anyway... these prosperity guys especially.) It would also be illegal in the real world.

"Hah...glory! You did not sow your prosperity seed in fertile ground... therefore you get nothing... I said good day sir."

"However if you contribute $1000 this time... it'll work! I promise! (That I'll build a hot tub in the guest house.)"

I am an atheist. I am not against those who genuinely have faith. I understand those who genuinely seek answers, and sometimes that's not easy. People like this "bishop" genuinely need jail time. But I realize the government can't, or shouldn't, intervene any more than religion should intervene in the government. All I can say to the faithful is find the smallest, most humble church with a message that appeals to you. You are likely to find a congregation that you'll come to know by their first names... you'll come to know and love them, and vice versa. If you believe in god, he is there also, not just in a baptidome that demands money for favors from god. You are a sucker if you keep giving to a person like this. Your money isn't going to doing "god's work" it is going to a man. And you will never see it again.

Matthew 18:20:For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.

/grew up catholic... even the devil can quote scripture. Heh.
 
2013-06-30 11:59:34 AM

TheLopper: propasaurus: Brothers and Sisters! Billy Dee Williams needs a new helicopter!

Well, he did lose the Falcon.


"Dolt 45, it works  every time."
 
2013-06-30 12:02:13 PM
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2013-06-30 12:21:27 PM
irom.files.wordpress.com

And if these words you do not heed, your pocket book just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweed
That's right, you asked for it, remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over
He's got twenty million dollars in his Heavenly Bank Account
All from those chumps who was born again, oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got seven limousines and a private plane helicopter
All for the use of his special friends, oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got thousand-dollar suits and a Wembley Tie
Girls love to stroke it while he's on the phone, oh yeah, oh yeah

More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/f/frank_zappa/
 
2013-06-30 01:03:43 PM
Pastor John: I want you to show right now how much you love God! I want you to show as your tithe! I want you to open up your hearts! And open up your wallets! And open up your purses! And give it up! Praise the Lord! Somebody's been talking about me, talking about I've been riding around in a Cadillac! If you love me, and you wanna give to me, then I should be in a Rolls Royce!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092563/quotes#qt0245720
 
2013-06-30 02:12:43 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: TheLopper: propasaurus: Brothers and Sisters! Billy Dee Williams needs a new helicopter!

Well, he did lose the Falcon.

"Dolt 45, it works  every time."


I'd feel happier donating to Billy Dee Williams' helicopter fund than this farksquid's.
 
2013-06-30 02:40:04 PM

Dahnkster: Here's his house....
[img10.imageshack.us image 627x327]
Don't be so jelly. God would smote him if he didn't deserve it. BTW, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out most of the members of Rev. Hilliard's congregation likely vote strict Democratic ticket and are opposed to same-sex marriage. You guys are unfamiliar with the Rev. Hilliard and Paula White story? Where's your messiah now? Rev. Ike and Creflo A Dollar were preaching the prosperity gospel and fleecing the rubes for decades prior to this. The faithful followers of his mega-church believe this only confirms the man has God's blessings. You folks think only 'whitey' fundamentalist evangelicals preach that 'Word of Faith' prosperity theology? Wise the fark up.


The surrounding houses. Are they like...servants' quarters or something?
 
2013-06-30 03:09:07 PM
Wake up, you farking sheep! They are all fleecing you. They have aleays been fleecing you. They will always fleece you.
 
2013-06-30 03:17:20 PM

MurphyMurphy: Bucky Katt: religion makes people stupid

No, people made religion stupid.

There are very valid underlying philosophies that are worth examining in each of the popular religions. The mumbo-jumbo is easily separated from this (as it should be)

Stupid people using it as an escape from reality have just polluted what should otherwise be a noble and though-provoking exploration of ourselves, each other and all the things and reasons in this world we don't yet understand. This is nothing new, it's a timeless tradition.

Intelligent and honest people don't need to dismiss religion, they need to make it their own. It's not like the morons that believe angels are following them to work have any clue what it is they're doing anyways. 90% of the self professed Christians in this nation simply CAN NOT reconcile the cornerstones of their religions with their own lives and beliefs. (If we could, we wouldn't all be fat, greedy war-mongers.)
 We stomp on religion today. But it's not that deserving of it, it's the people that use it for their own selfish ends that need to be drug into the street and boo'd.

/Such as the db in tfa.

Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place.
We should just ignore the fact they tried to bookend his words with thousands of pages of fairy tales, draconian stone-age laws and fever dreams.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAa

gasp gasp

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH  cough cough gasp
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

weeezz gasp  oh  ooooohhhh whoooooo wheeeeeww.

Thank you. That was just about the funniest thing I've read today.
 
2013-06-30 03:34:34 PM

jigger: The surrounding houses. Are they like...servants' quarters or something?


Maybe a few..  Plus a few guest houses?  One looks like some sort of club house maybe, on the left.
 
2013-06-30 04:40:28 PM

A_Listless_Wanderer: danielscissorhands: Is "congratulations" (instead of congregation) in the headline a typo by a drunk-mitter, or is this a reference to something else?

Thank you.

It was a typo. Yes, I was drunk.

/still am


Thanks. :-)   Well I congregate you on the greenlit submission!
 
2013-06-30 04:41:13 PM

Dahnkster: Here's his house....
[img10.imageshack.us image 627x327]
Don't be so jelly. God would smote him if he didn't deserve it. BTW, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out most of the members of Rev. Hilliard's congregation likely vote strict Democratic ticket and are opposed to same-sex marriage. You guys are unfamiliar with the Rev. Hilliard and Paula White story? Where's your messiah now? Rev. Ike and Creflo A Dollar were preaching the prosperity gospel and fleecing the rubes for decades prior to this. The faithful followers of his mega-church believe this only confirms the man has God's blessings. You folks think only 'whitey' fundamentalist evangelicals preach that 'Word of Faith' prosperity theology? Wise the fark up.


He's black. Because he's black, he doesn't fit the FarkLibtard definition of White Cracker Right Wing Fundamentalistic Tea-bagger. Therefore, anything he says is true.

All you FarkLibbies need to send him $52, so you can get that Prius you've been dreaming about.
 
2013-06-30 05:18:22 PM
Ah, the prosperity gospel.

The fraction of christianity that seems to ignore that the only people in the Bible that jesus ever, ever got angry at were people utilizing religion to make a profit.

For perspective, he didn't even get angry at <i> SATAN </i> when satan tried to tempt him in the desert (according to the bible). But the moneychangers in the temple? He farking flipped.

And then, there's, you know, Matthew 6:24.
""No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. "
 
2013-06-30 05:20:45 PM
stan
 
2013-06-30 05:22:55 PM

Dahnkster: Here's his house....
[img10.imageshack.us image 627x327]
Don't be so jelly. God would smote him if he didn't deserve it. BTW, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out most of the members of Rev. Hilliard's congregation likely vote strict Democratic ticket and are opposed to same-sex marriage. You guys are unfamiliar with the Rev. Hilliard and Paula White story? Where's your messiah now? Rev. Ike and Creflo A Dollar were preaching the prosperity gospel and fleecing the rubes for decades prior to this. The faithful followers of his mega-church believe this only confirms the man has God's blessings. You folks think only 'whitey' fundamentalist evangelicals preach that 'Word of Faith' prosperity theology? Wise the fark up.


join the productivity gospel with Microsoft Bob

t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-30 05:36:26 PM

maram500: Mr. Right: I understand the outrage about a church spending this kind of money, and I firmly believe that this "bishop" is a shyster and a fraud.  But I need to point out that everything he does, extravagant and wasteful though it be, is done with money that is freely donated.

Compare that to the billions of dollars that are manifestly wasted every single day by our various levels of government - federal, state, and local.  That money is not voluntarily given but is confiscated through threats and coercion.  I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?

"Freely donated?" Are you unaware what happens in churches?

Catholics: Tithe because God says so!
Methodists: You're responsible for keeping this church going!
Megachurches: God (OK, me) is telling you to empty your pocketbooks to keep his word going. Otherwise...you're going to hell! And don't worry about my closets of expensive suits and lavish house and cars...all paid for by your collection plates...that's just God being good to me...or something.
Jews: (They'll guilt you into giving your last nickel. Kol Nidre and all that.)
Mormons: See "Catholics"

It's all a racket.


Um ... no. The Mormons have a formal process where one has a sit-down with the bishop and makes a declaration of one's income and giving. (Disclaimer: Most of what I know about the LDS approach to tithing came up last year during the discussion over Rmoney's tax returns.)

OTOH, the Catholic church has no such process whatsoever. A column I read about a month ago (in the newspaper published by my archdiocese) explained that for us mackerel snappers, the general recommendation is 5% to one's parish, and another 5% to other charities.

So I toss $5 in the collection envelope if I'm not at Mass, and $20 on the rare occasions when I attend. For every buck the Church gets, I try to give $2 to the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, the SPLC or anything that supports what I consider to be the fundamental rights with which we are born. Fr. Tony is just glad to get a few hundred from me over the course of a year, and he wouldn't dare ask where the rest of my money goes.

This is how it should work. YMMV.
 
2013-06-30 06:43:09 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to pay tribute unto the Lord
And money unto me
 
2013-06-30 07:08:46 PM

thisdaydreamer: Congregations on writing what will surely be the headline of the week, subby.


Thank you! And thanks for the TF! ;-)
 
2013-06-30 07:26:54 PM

LibertyHiller: Um ... no. The Mormons have a formal process where one has a sit-down with the bishop and makes a declaration of one's income and giving. (Disclaimer: Most of what I know about the LDS approach to tithing came up last year during the discussion over Rmoney's tax returns.)

OTOH, the Catholic church has no such process whatsoever. A column I read about a month ago (in the newspaper published by my archdiocese) explained that for us mackerel snappers, the general recommendation is 5% to one's parish, and another 5% to other charities.

So I toss $5 in the collection envelope if I'm not at Mass, and $20 on the rare occasions when I attend. For every buck the Church gets, I try to give $2 to the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, the SPLC or anything that supports what I consider to be the fundamental rights with which we are born. Fr. Tony is just glad to get a few hundred from me over the course of a year, and he wouldn't dare ask where the rest of my money goes.


Hell, it's not unknown for the Mormon church to contact the employer to check on an employees pay or for their members to ask for documents to be sent to the church.
 
2013-06-30 07:38:48 PM

ARedthorn: I came back around to Christianity because I decided it fit my ideals best


It doesn't work like that. You don't decide what you think is right and then choose a religion which fits; you choose a religion you think is true and then adopt the beliefs it dictates, even if that means changing your mind about some things. If Christianity is true, Islam, Buddhism, Shinto and Scientology are wrong. There's no room for different religions to be right for different people based on their preconceptions.

I would have a lot more respect for anti-gay christians if at least some of them said "You know, I really fancy some hot, sweaty, man-on-man action ... but the Bible says no, so that's that", just as I would have more respect for creationists if they said "Hey, yes, all the scientific evidence points to the earth being 6 billion years old and life having evolved, but the Bible says different and I have to believe the Bible."

TL;DR: Pretending religion makes sense doesn't make sense.
 
2013-06-30 07:59:27 PM

Tumunga: He's black. Because he's black, he doesn't fit the FarkLibtard definition of White Cracker Right Wing Fundamentalistic Tea-bagger. Therefore, anything he says is true.

All you FarkLibbies need to send him $52, so you can get that Prius you've been dreaming about.


Wow... you sure put us in our place.
 
2013-06-30 08:25:35 PM

Satanic_Hamster: LibertyHiller: Um ... no. The Mormons have a formal process where one has a sit-down with the bishop and makes a declaration of one's income and giving. (Disclaimer: Most of what I know about the LDS approach to tithing came up last year during the discussion over Rmoney's tax returns.)

OTOH, the Catholic church has no such process whatsoever. A column I read about a month ago (in the newspaper published by my archdiocese) explained that for us mackerel snappers, the general recommendation is 5% to one's parish, and another 5% to other charities.

So I toss $5 in the collection envelope if I'm not at Mass, and $20 on the rare occasions when I attend. For every buck the Church gets, I try to give $2 to the Human Rights Campaign, the ACLU, the SPLC or anything that supports what I consider to be the fundamental rights with which we are born. Fr. Tony is just glad to get a few hundred from me over the course of a year, and he wouldn't dare ask where the rest of my money goes.

Hell, it's not unknown for the Mormon church to contact the employer to check on an employees pay or for their members to ask for documents to be sent to the church.


If I had an LDS employee ask for such a document, I'd probably accommodate the request. I consider that common courtesy.

If the ward/stake/whatever came looking for that without my having a waiver from the employee on file, I'd point out that I'm thankfully not subject to LDS discipline and that it was none of their business. I'd then have a brief talk with said employee with a waiver form ready for them to take to a notary, with space left for the employee to fill in the specific names of the individuals to whom I was allowed to make such disclosure. Again, I'd go to the trouble out of common courtesy.

Then again, I don't live in Utah for very good reasons, although I love to ski there.
 
2013-06-30 08:33:44 PM

LibertyHiller: If I had an LDS employee ask for such a document, I'd probably accommodate the request. I consider that common courtesy.

If the ward/stake/whatever came looking for that without my having a waiver from the employee on file, I'd point out that I'm thankfully not subject to LDS discipline and that it was none of their business. I'd then have a brief talk with said employee with a waiver form ready for them to take to a notary, with space left for the employee to fill in the specific names of the individuals to whom I was allowed to make such disclosure. Again, I'd go to the trouble out of common courtesy.

Then again, I don't live in Utah for very good reasons, although I love to ski there.


My old man had to deal with that.  Naturally, he referred them to HR and to contact their employee at home and politely explained to them that they do not disclose employees details to third parties without permission of the employee.
 
2013-06-30 09:55:04 PM

Igor Jakovsky: Send me money
Send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make your contribution and you'll get a better seat
Bow to leper messiah




Didn't expect Metallica lyrics in here. Glad they showed up though.

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2013-06-30 10:33:35 PM

Tumunga: He's black. Because he's black, he doesn't fit the FarkLibtard definition of White Cracker Right Wing Fundamentalistic Tea-bagger. Therefore, anything he says is true.All you FarkLibbies need to send him $52, so you can get that Prius you've been dreaming about.


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