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2013-06-30 04:27:09 AM

A_Listless_Wanderer: The thing you have to remember is that these fundy evangelicals don't actually read the bible.


And for an example, the letter posted earlier in this thread. Two of the three Biblical citations when taken in context actually teach against what this guy is doing. But if you only read what he cites, it seems to support him.
 
2013-06-30 04:27:28 AM
Trayvon Martin donated 52 dollars. His dream was to ride on a cloud. Fact.
 
2013-06-30 04:35:38 AM

Ranger Rover: This doesn't look like "religion" to me. It looks like a brazen attempt on the part of megalomaniac leadership to fleece a believing congregation out of money


Agree 100%.
 
2013-06-30 04:40:53 AM

ARedthorn: dickfreckle: MurphyMurphy: I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.

Ranger Rover: Pretty farkin' angry.

Agreed. This is not religion. It is disguised as religion, but it is abuse. It is a con job and yet another pyramid scheme.


Yep. I posted just a few minutes ago trying to make that distinction, but no one has responded in organized-religion-is-the-root-of-all-evil defiance yet, but that may be because it's past three in the morning (or maybe because no one considered it worth responding to, there's that too). In the end, I'm just disheartened by the people who want to jump on obvious (and newsworthy, entailing some exception to the rule) cases like this as fodder for their argument that religion is evil. It's especially disheartening just in terms of IQ implications - there are way better ways to make the argument. If you have to latch on to things like this, you might be grasping.
 
2013-06-30 04:41:27 AM

Dahnkster: Bonanza Jellybean I LOVE your FARK handle.

Tom Robbins is one of my all-time favorites. Another Roadside Attraction covers a great deal of this silliness quite nicely. Why this book has never been developed into a major motion picture defies reasoning.


Probably because of how poorly-recieved Cowgirls was.


/haven't read anything of his since Fierce Invalids, which I enjoyed
/oh, and thanks
 
2013-06-30 04:52:48 AM

Ranger Rover: Megachurches sorta scare me.


Megachurches have nothing to do with god. Replace Jesus with a soccer ball,

www.soccerissue.com

some brown water,

www.krystalgrant.com

or a mouse

and you'll start to see the dots connect. Mega "churches" are just corporations that cater to a niche market and use the Bible as a springboard for their products and services. Back in the day, this extended as far as military wings and their own countries.

i.telegraph.co.uk

webmedia.jcu.edu

Not that this is limited to religious corporations alone.

users.polisci.wisc.edu

images1.wikia.nocookie.net


Such things, and the potential corruption they bring, are part of the human condition. We have a mighty need for them.
 
2013-06-30 04:54:32 AM

C18H27NO3: Ranger Rover: This doesn't look like "religion" to me. It looks like a brazen attempt on the part of megalomaniac leadership to fleece a believing congregation out of money

Agree 100%.


It's sad. As a believer, I react to people like this the same way that Regan MacNeil reacted to holy water.

/Seriously, same twitchings and obscenities.
//Might even throw this pastor out of a window and down a long series of steps if I find myself in the same room with him.
///God has commanded me not to kill people but we both know what I'd like to do.
 
2013-06-30 05:01:04 AM
Give the guy a break. He heard it is easier to get a Sopwith Camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven so he's going with the helicopter instead. He'll show the author of the Bible who's boss. Heck, look at the image from his advertisement; the high voltage power line towers in the background are going to be his first step on the road to flying through smaller and smaller structures until he can get his chopper through the eye of a needle. I'll toss in a few bucks to watch him fly into a huge electrical pylon.
 
2013-06-30 05:01:34 AM

Chariset: violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]

Astounding.

He's actually saying that if you donate money to his helicopter upgrade, God will provide money for your own car repairs.

I'll admit, I really didn't believe that the health and wealth gospel was real.  But there it is.


Why doesn't God just provide him a new helicopter??

Because I think God's getting a bad deal here.  If he gets people say a $2000 car (let alone the mention of LUXURY car) in exchange for a $52 donation, well, it'd be far cheaper to just buy the helicopter blades himself.

God's having to find 38.5x the resources to give back these donors so much more than they paid out.
 
2013-06-30 05:05:21 AM
www.atomicbooks.com

Come on, give me something I can take to the bank for my $52.  The Buddy Christ bobblehead!!
 
2013-06-30 05:05:48 AM
If that helicopter has a Jesus Nut I hope it has a crisis of faith.


\tax the churches...
 
2013-06-30 05:09:28 AM

doglover: Mega "churches" are just corporations that cater to a niche market and use the Bible as a springboard for their products and services.


Yep, that's the issue that I have. I do have some friends that go to them and love them, and I keep mah damn mouth shut, because I still believe in manners. And, these friends don't seem seriously traumatized or out of touch with society, leading me to believe that megachurches are probably not bad solely on the basis that they are megachurches - would you disagree? I think many of them cross the line with inappropriate or even fraudulent behavior, but I wouldn't, at this point, go so far as to say that a church with X number of adherents is presumptively a bad thing, without any further indication of wrongdoing. But I'm not sure.
Is there a proven correlation between churches with a large number of adherents and allegations of wrongdoing or abuse of funds? I say abuse of funds rather than taxes or tax status because obviously larger organizations are more likely to be targets of such investigation, regardless of actual wrongdoing. But I could be wrong about that too.
 
2013-06-30 05:12:42 AM
"Sow your favor seed"...? Dear god that sounds rapey...
 
2013-06-30 05:15:08 AM
At least Subby didn't say "Congrads!"
 
2013-06-30 05:28:52 AM
Who made him a bishop?
 
2013-06-30 05:30:31 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I'd like to replace my 17-year-old Stratus with something brand-new. Any y'all care to help me out with that?? (I mean, you do believe in me, right?) Nothing real fancy. A Ford Taurus or a Chrysler 200 would do just fine.


To hell with that. Taurus is too soccer mom, and the 200 is goofy. A true Man of God(TM) would drive a Jaaaag or a Mercedes. Of course, for the newer, hipper Man of God(TM), nothing beats a Focus ST for prophesying hoonage.

I want a Fiesta ST (hatchback with a manual transmission) myself.

/I'd push that sucker past 100mph on Highway 90
//In Louisiana
///Betwixt Houma and New Orleans
////To hell with state troopers
 
2013-06-30 05:32:08 AM

orbister: Who made him a bishop?


When you reach the eighth row you can get promoted.
 
2013-06-30 05:33:10 AM

ARedthorn: dickfreckle: MurphyMurphy: I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.

Ranger Rover: Pretty farkin' angry.

Agreed. This is not religion. It is disguised as religion, but it is abuse. It is a con job and yet another pyramid scheme.



His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?
 
2013-06-30 05:38:49 AM

optikeye: [disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com image 450x338]
Why does God Need A Helicopter?


*gigglesnort*
 
2013-06-30 05:54:53 AM

jake_lex: Prosperity Gospel is just repulsive.

Word. I would pay to see Jesus biatchslap Joel Osteen.
 
2013-06-30 05:59:28 AM
I wonder what it must be like to have so little shame and empathy. People always try to make it sound like a bad thing, but this guy seems to be living a sweet life. He'd be selling off granny's kidneys if he could get away with it.

The bible does have a quote for this, from Psalms. "I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree."
 
2013-06-30 05:59:39 AM

God-is-a-Taco: ARedthorn: dickfreckle: MurphyMurphy: I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.

Ranger Rover: Pretty farkin' angry.

Agreed. This is not religion. It is disguised as religion, but it is abuse. It is a con job and yet another pyramid scheme.


His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?


Now, I'm no one to judge not having to read a fark comment thread the whole way through. But this is one in which I think most people involved have adequately explained what they meant/didn't mean by that - and it's not what you seem to think. Control-F is a potential friend here, just to get on the same page.
 
2013-06-30 05:59:58 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: bindlestiff2600: In the words of Rush LImbaugh
you have to consider the audience

and the fact is
that a very large portion of the population
is stupid

Assume intelligence has a normal distribution, just like height, or pinky size, or every other natural attribute. Now the "normal" IQ, i.e., the top point on the curve, is defined as an IQ of 100. Now, 100 is not a very high IQ. So we are saying the average person is not very bright. 50 percent of the population is not even as bright as the average person.


i chortled
you make a good point

    i just recalled the words of Pastor Richards (vice city)
"half of the population are morons
and that's who i appeal too"
 
2013-06-30 06:10:06 AM
God the Holy Ghost is calling out to embrace you. I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks and take his hand.
 
2013-06-30 06:16:51 AM
 
2013-06-30 06:28:54 AM

God-is-a-Taco: ARedthorn: dickfreckle: MurphyMurphy: I can't imagine how angry I'd be if I were an actual believer.

Ranger Rover: Pretty farkin' angry.

Agreed. This is not religion. It is disguised as religion, but it is abuse. It is a con job and yet another pyramid scheme.


His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?


Also, the article at least seems to indicate that they don't. "Community outrage". Maybe you just don't read things good. I also think the article says 6 locations, so maybe you don't numbers good either.

/It's okay, I also don't.
 
2013-06-30 06:29:02 AM

phrawgh: God the Holy Ghost is calling out to embrace you. I want you to reach deep into your hearts and your pocketbooks and take his hand.


You're in a state of rebellion right now. You're saying...
 
2013-06-30 06:34:29 AM

God-is-a-Taco: His flock seems to believe his word, and with 5 locations there's quite a lot of them.
It's not a religion because you don't agree with it?


Uh, yeah. The Bible says a Fool and his Money are soon parted.
 
2013-06-30 06:54:24 AM
Ahh needs t' kahn-teen-yew mah ministreee t' sprey-ed t' good wurrrd o' JAY-ZUSS KEY-RAHST!!
 
2013-06-30 06:57:30 AM
Daddy needs a new pair of everythang!
 
2013-06-30 06:58:01 AM

Lordserb: Actually Paul wrote quite a bit about warning the church that there would be people that tried to subvert the church from within.


He didn't want anybody encroaching on his own gig.
 
2013-06-30 07:01:45 AM
This is sad, but not shocking, which is even sadder. Peter Popoff was completely exposed as a fraud in front of a national audience for this very same scam and still, after a brief period, came back and ran the same scam successfully for 15 years and running. It's no surprise then that this shiatstain can make such an outlandish request and there are likely people running for their checkbooks so that they too can get theirs.
 
2013-06-30 07:15:21 AM
I understand the outrage about a church spending this kind of money, and I firmly believe that this "bishop" is a shyster and a fraud.  But I need to point out that everything he does, extravagant and wasteful though it be, is done with money that is freely donated.

Compare that to the billions of dollars that are manifestly wasted every single day by our various levels of government - federal, state, and local.  That money is not voluntarily given but is confiscated through threats and coercion.  I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?
 
2013-06-30 07:27:22 AM

Mr. Right: I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?


I dunno about you but Im outraged at what you describe every day (and on 4 specific days of the year Im freaking ropable)
 
2013-06-30 07:27:46 AM

Mr. Right: I understand the outrage about a church spending this kind of money, and I firmly believe that this "bishop" is a shyster and a fraud.  But I need to point out that everything he does, extravagant and wasteful though it be, is done with money that is freely donated.

Compare that to the billions of dollars that are manifestly wasted every single day by our various levels of government - federal, state, and local.  That money is not voluntarily given but is confiscated through threats and coercion.  I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?


Because one is a deliberate con, the other is a natural byproduct of government spending.

Acting like government waste is some huge travesty that is unthinkably evil is profoundly stupid.
 
2013-06-30 07:33:02 AM
MurphyMurphy:
Some people see Christianity and see a bunch of insanity. They aren't wrong, there is plenty of insanity to find. But if they look closer, past the morons, they might see what I and many others do;

the story of an incredibly intelligent and revolutionary man that tried to tell people how to treat each other better and make the world a better place
 slaves to submit to their masters.

FTFY.  Ephesians 6:5.  Let us give thanks for the word of the Lord.
 
2013-06-30 07:33:08 AM

Slartibartfaster: Mr. Right: I'm not talking about the worthy government expenditures.  I'm just talking the waste.  Why is there not a similar outrage?

I dunno about you but Im outraged at what you describe every day (and on 4 specific days of the year Im freaking ropable)


Those wouldn't be the days on which estimated taxes are due, would they?  I've often thought that if we wanted a wholesale change in government, government spending, tax policy, etc. we need to eliminate withholding and force every taxpayer to sit down 4 times a year and write out a check.
 
2013-06-30 07:36:57 AM

violentsalvation: [www.newlight.org image 833x1500]


Ok, I'm reading this (and maybe my dyslexia is in MASSIVE overdrive, but it was REALLY difficult to read - whoever wrote that never made it past 2nd grade English) and I'm not seeing anything about a promise that you would get a vehicle in 52 days or 52 weeks, as the writer in the link implied.  All it says is that you will experience breakthrough favor, which is NOT a vehicle.

Not to say that Pastor isn't an a-hole, and if he's running 6 megachurches it should have been no issue for him to say "Hey, we have this chopper, it gets me from church to church (even though I seriously doubt that's all he's using it for), it needs new blades and would the membership please help?"  But don't state something that just isn't there.  It says nothing about the donator getting their dream vehicle.

But again, that thing is REALLY difficult to read (who the hell wrote that?!), so maybe I missed it while scratching my head, rubbing my eyes and wondering how many chimps with typewriters to took to hammer out that mess.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:28 AM

LavenderWolf: Because one is a deliberate con, the other is a natural byproduct of government spending.

Acting like government waste is some huge travesty that is unthinkably evil is profoundly stupid.


If you actually believe that, your statement rises to whole new levels of insanity.  There is deliberate, massive waste and fraud perpetrated every single day with money that is taken by force and that is not a travesty?

The difference between what this bishop did and what the government does every day is the difference between a young woman being seduced by a clever cad and being gang-raped by the football team.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:30 AM
So why isn't everyone emailing nlcco­m­men­ts­[nospam-﹫-backwards]thg­i­lwen*org  and asking why God needs a helicopter?
 
2013-06-30 07:41:15 AM

Mr. Right: LavenderWolf: Because one is a deliberate con, the other is a natural byproduct of government spending.

Acting like government waste is some huge travesty that is unthinkably evil is profoundly stupid.

If you actually believe that, your statement rises to whole new levels of insanity.  There is deliberate, massive waste and fraud perpetrated every single day with money that is taken by force and that is not a travesty?

The difference between what this bishop did and what the government does every day is the difference between a young woman being seduced by a clever cad and being gang-raped by the football team.


The sad and paranoid are out in force today.
 
2013-06-30 07:45:15 AM
Lando looks like shiat.
 
2013-06-30 07:55:48 AM
I have a counter proposal. He buys me a $50,000 dollar vehicle and God will fix his helicopter for him
 
2013-06-30 07:56:54 AM

2wolves: A rotary winged sty.

I hope he gets some Dr House level disease that makes him totally incontinent with constant flatulence topped off with chronic diarrhea.


Don't you think the politics tab ALREADY has enough people like that?
 
2013-06-30 07:59:03 AM
how can you be outraged about government spending when there are starving children in the world?

how can you care about starving children when the planet's climate is changing before our very addled eyes?

how can you care about climate change when there are human trafficking and slavery rings *right now* selling human beings for less than a chopper blade replacement payment?

how can you care about human trafficking when THE REVERSE VAMPIRES RULE THE WORLD?

and really, how the fark can you care about reverse vampires when things like forced, strained comparisons can derail anything in the world you could possibly care about?
 
2013-06-30 08:00:40 AM

Lost_in_Korea: So why isn't everyone emailing nlccomments[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]thgilwen[* image 7x13]org  and asking why God needs a helicopter?


mostly because i'm already on enough mailing lists full of crazy.

mostly.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:01 AM
So we have a Benny Hinn wannabe?
Paying for forgiveness is cathocism,
With baptists' it's free of charge, just ask, no middle man.
 
2013-06-30 08:02:34 AM

Hobodeluxe: I have a counter proposal. He buys me a $50,000 dollar vehicle and God will fix his helicopter for him


ALL HAIL TEH LEADER!

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-30 08:02:56 AM
FFS.
 
2013-06-30 08:09:34 AM
i1364.photobucket.com
 
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