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(Buzzfeed)   Fifteen classic children's books banned in certain areas of the United States. Apparently, Winnie the Pooh is a Nazi and an insult to god since he's a talking animal   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 214
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2013-06-30 12:02:10 AM  
12.  Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss
When: "Until as recently as 1991"
Why: Remember that time when Sam I Am tried to seduce his friend? Me neither. But the book was banned in California on accounts of "homosexual seduction."


[lolwot?]

It was also banned in China for "early Marxism" from 1965 until Dr. Seuss' death in 1991.

Wait, Green Eggs and Ham was too Marxist for China?

Is BuzzFeed the new Onion?
 
2013-06-30 12:02:51 AM  
I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!
 
2013-06-30 12:13:21 AM  
This is why we don't have warp drive yet (nor should we be allowed to have it until we do something about these batsh*ts first).
 
2013-06-30 12:14:01 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?
 
2013-06-30 12:15:31 AM  
3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
When: 2006
Why: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"


2006??? Oh for F*CK'S SAKE. Did they try to ban Disney movies, too?
 
2013-06-30 12:16:41 AM  
Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!
 
2013-06-30 12:17:46 AM  
 
2013-06-30 12:17:57 AM  

fusillade762: 3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
When: 2006
Why: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"

2006??? Oh for F*CK'S SAKE. Did they try to ban Disney movies, too?


Yes they have tried several times.
 
2013-06-30 12:19:49 AM  
I don't see what the big deal is. Isn't this the new "age of enlightenment" where we suppress, mock, or shame ideas that make us uncomfortable under the guise of creating a "safe place free from triggering events"? So we ban a few books. At least people's feelings won't be hurt.
 
2013-06-30 12:20:08 AM  
yoy can't argue with the logic shown there.......realy, don't bother
 
2013-06-30 12:20:27 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


takingtree.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-30 12:20:35 AM  
Banned? As in they're illegal for sale and all copies within the state have bee destroyed???

That's awful.
 
2013-06-30 12:21:24 AM  
From  Numbers 22:28:

And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have smitten me these three times?  Looks like God is Ok with talking animals.  So now what?
 
2013-06-30 12:21:24 AM  
Kiss my ass, copypaste buzzfeed sponsored partner bullshiat
 
2013-06-30 12:22:22 AM  
If animals that can talk are an insult to Gerd, then what is Sarah Palin?
 
2013-06-30 12:22:50 AM  

WhippingBoy: I don't see what the big deal is. Isn't this the new "age of enlightenment" where we suppress, mock, or shame ideas that make us uncomfortable under the guise of creating a "safe place free from triggering events"? So we ban a few books. At least people's feelings won't be hurt.


When the concept of "hate speech" gained legitimacy, I knew free speech (as a philosophical idea, not a constitutional right) was next.
 
2013-06-30 12:23:25 AM  
The best one is:

15. Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you see? by Bill Martin, Jr.
When: 2010
Why: The Texas State Board of Education briefly banned this picture book after confusing its author, Bill Martin, Jr., with philosopher Bill Martin, author of 'Ethical Marxism: The Categorical Imperative of Liberation.'

Nothing like a little neo-McCarthyism to start your day.
 
2013-06-30 12:23:56 AM  
Not surprised The Lorax was on the list. Somebody in the US actually wrote a counter kid's book about a talking tree encouraging logging and stuff.
 
2013-06-30 12:23:58 AM  

scruffynerfherder: From  Numbers 22:28:

And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have smitten me these three times?  Looks like God is Ok with talking animals.  So now what?


And the Jews boiled Balaam to death in a vat of boiling semen.
 
2013-06-30 12:24:23 AM  
FTFA: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"

Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.22:30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
 
2013-06-30 12:24:23 AM  

dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!


Or how about the Bible, Numbers 22. Baalam and his talking donkey. Godwined again.

upload.wikimedia.org

 
2013-06-30 12:26:12 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Numbers 22:28 ...And he said, Nay.


Was expecting more of a "Heehaw", but okay.
 
2013-06-30 12:27:05 AM  
Topless chick: Someone was looking too hard.

I'm too young, and sans spawn, to haven't been exposed to the Giving Tree. Although I know of the Taking Tree due to the Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

Winnie The Pooh has other objections than what's listed. Really going out on a limb for the ones listed.

Ehhhh, maybe "ass" is a little much for a kids book. At least in a class setting.

No exposure to Harriet The Spy. By the time I was in that age bracket I was reading Alan Dean Foster and Asimov.

Never read Anne Frank. Perhaps not below middle school, but I've only been to a bad date at a holocaust museum.

No exposure to Bridge to Terabithia.

No exposure to original Alice in Wonderland. Although I'm told it's really about drugs. I have an early print around here somewhere.

No exposure to Where The Wild Things Are. I'm always vigilant for a first print in DJ, worth about $25k.

Well, The Lorax was about unbridled deforestation.

Green Eggs and Ham? Really? You're kidding me.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory isn't that well written. It was done by a guy damaged after being shot down in WWII.

I thought Wizard of Oz was about economics.

Brown Bear has a stupid objection. Invalid.
 
2013-06-30 12:27:41 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

There was a big hubbub in the town were I grew up on the 90's because a group of fundies wanted to remove this book from the grade school. Well they didn't succeed that day but more and more of them started moving in and farking with the school system. In 10 years the school system went from being one of the best in the country to one of the worst in the state.
 
2013-06-30 12:27:49 AM  
Why: All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles." In 1957, the Detroit Public Library banned the book for having "no value for children of today."

We could ban books for having no value to kids? May be needed for the Twilight series.
 
2013-06-30 12:28:04 AM  
People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

The political and religious lunacy goes without saying.

But I suppose that you could find The Lorax and The Giving Tree anti-chain saw. But who speaks for the trees, people? Who speaks for the trees?
 
2013-06-30 12:28:29 AM  
Winnie the Pooh is definitely gay, and maybe into bestiality, too.
 
2013-06-30 12:29:41 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"

Numbers 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.22:30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay neigh.

 
2013-06-30 12:29:49 AM  
Huh.  I figured that The Adventures of Huckelberry Finn would be on the list.  That book hurt MY feelin's, 'cuz it had so many words I had to read!
 
2013-06-30 12:30:51 AM  
FTFA11. The Lorax by Dr. Seuss When: 1989 Why: A California school district banned the book and claimed that it "criminalized the foresting industry" and would thus persuade children against logging.

Hey waitafugginminute.  The public schools are full of tree-hugging America-hating libruls.  Especially in California!
 
2013-06-30 12:30:53 AM  

whatshisname: Winnie the Pooh is definitely gay, and maybe into bestiality, too.


I'm pretty sure Tigger is offensive to black people because it sounds so close to a racial slur and his spastic actions imply that blacks are wacky and all over the place.

Owl for all I know justifies police state fascism.
 
2013-06-30 12:31:28 AM  

doglover: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

[takingtree.files.wordpress.com image 557x720]


Whatever works. Just so long as the boy turns into a man that can take care of himself and doesn't end up broke and alone sitting on the used up corpse of his only friend.

And didn't it bother anyone else that the boy always demanded things and never bothered to say thank you? My boys (then 6 & 3) pointed that out to me.
 
2013-06-30 12:32:07 AM  
Banning books? Have we learned nothing for Footloose?
 
2013-06-30 12:32:33 AM  
Want to have some fun?

Whenever some godbot opens his or her pie hole and starts banning books and whatnot, remind them that no one in America is obligated to give a shiat whether their god is happy or sad.

Then, explain freedom.

Most times, you can actually see and hear the physical manifestation of their cognitive dissonance as the gears of their poor brains start tossing their cogs, and they realize they're not actually in a church where those stupid things are important.
 
2013-06-30 12:33:07 AM  
I was legit shocked by #1. I need to find me a 1st edition on eBay. :P
 
2013-06-30 12:33:13 AM  

therecksays: Banning books? Have we learned nothing for Footloose?


for = from

/facepalm
 
2013-06-30 12:33:27 AM  
So; christianity, political correctness, and modern feminism. Fark all three.

Also:  Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god," resulting in this book's banning throughout random parts of the United States.

NSFW.

/not able to post a perfectly relevant pic
//in a thread about censorship on fark because
///someone, somewhere, will be offended
////because boobies
//head assplode
 
2013-06-30 12:34:16 AM  

brantgoose: People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

The political and religious lunacy goes without saying.

But I suppose that you could find The Lorax and The Giving Tree anti-chain saw. But who speaks for the trees, people? Who speaks for the trees?


Yeah I dont even think Zombie Freud could find most of the undertones claimed.
 
2013-06-30 12:34:19 AM  
Wait, Charlotte's Web was banned in 2006?! For talking animals?! Is there even a dime left in Kansas's education system?
 
2013-06-30 12:35:01 AM  

ongbok: [upload.wikimedia.org image 175x305]

There was a big hubbub in the town were I grew up on the 90's because a group of fundies wanted to remove this book from the grade school. Well they didn't succeed that day but more and more of them started moving in and farking with the school system. In 10 years the school system went from being one of the best in the country to one of the worst in the state.


I bet it was the same SOBs that went after Harry Potter.

I say anything that can get a pre-teen to read a 500 page book is a good thing.
 
2013-06-30 12:36:19 AM  

WizardofToast: Is there even a dime left in Kansas's education system?


No, they lost it all trying to defend their decision to teach creationism in science class.
 
2013-06-30 12:36:59 AM  
I wonder how many people who are shocked by this list are as interested in Paula Deen's public flaying.
 
2013-06-30 12:37:10 AM  
The AA Milne Nazi thing is kind of funny, since he wrote many anti PG Wodehouse screeds for living in Europe and being (oblivious) to the Nazis at the time.  I can kind of believe Wodehouse sort of just bumbling around and getting his money from whatever bank and not being terribly worried about politics.
 
2013-06-30 12:37:15 AM  
People who ban things like this are the only people who I would murder and feel no guilt.
 
2013-06-30 12:37:51 AM  
Talking snakes?

Wait a minute, I'm willing to sacrifice these works. The very same objections could be used for banning the bible. It would be worth it.
 
2013-06-30 12:38:20 AM  

whatshisname: Winnie the Pooh is definitely gay, and maybe into bestiality, too.


And Tigger to.
 
2013-06-30 12:38:44 AM  

wildcardjack: Topless chick: Someone was looking too hard.

I'm too young, and sans spawn, to haven't been exposed to the Giving Tree. Although I know of the Taking Tree due to the Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

Winnie The Pooh has other objections than what's listed. Really going out on a limb for the ones listed.

Ehhhh, maybe "ass" is a little much for a kids book. At least in a class setting.

No exposure to Harriet The Spy. By the time I was in that age bracket I was reading Alan Dean Foster and Asimov.

Never read Anne Frank. Perhaps not below middle school, but I've only been to a bad date at a holocaust museum.

No exposure to Bridge to Terabithia.

No exposure to original Alice in Wonderland. Although I'm told it's really about drugs. I have an early print around here somewhere.

No exposure to Where The Wild Things Are. I'm always vigilant for a first print in DJ, worth about $25k.

Well, The Lorax was about unbridled deforestation.

Green Eggs and Ham? Really? You're kidding me.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory isn't that well written. It was done by a guy damaged after being shot down in WWII.

I thought Wizard of Oz was about economics.

Brown Bear has a stupid objection. Invalid.


Is there a good date to a holocaust museum?
 
2013-06-30 12:40:27 AM  

doglover: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

[takingtree.files.wordpress.com image 557x720]


What about this version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyFCxGM7x1A
 
2013-06-30 12:40:36 AM  

Uncle Tractor: /not able to post a perfectly relevant pic
//in a thread about censorship on fark because
///someone, somewhere, will be offended
////because boobies
//head assplode


Not able to name a certain character in Huckleberry Finn, either.

www.skullbunnie.com
 
2013-06-30 12:43:17 AM  

Bumblefark: Uncle Tractor: /not able to post a perfectly relevant pic
//in a thread about censorship on fark because
///someone, somewhere, will be offended
////because boobies
//head assplode

Not able to name a certain character in Huckleberry Finn, either.


nubian Jim?
 
2013-06-30 12:43:21 AM  

dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!


Just wait until these guys hear about Balaam, the talking donkey in the Bible. He was a true and faithful servant of God, but was castigated as an abomination.
 
2013-06-30 12:43:38 AM  

wildcardjack: Ehhhh, maybe "ass" is a little much for a kids book. At least in a class setting.


Ass also means donkey. Jackass who wrote TFA doesn't provide any context.
 
2013-06-30 12:44:10 AM  
What about this bibble thing that they like so much? It's full of murder, rape, war and destruction. It is also closely associated with hate crimes and genocide.
 
2013-06-30 12:44:17 AM  
A bit late, DRTFT, but still.
 
2013-06-30 12:45:32 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many people who are shocked by this list are as interested in Paula Deen's public flaying.


"That's different"
 
2013-06-30 12:48:38 AM  
This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.
 
2013-06-30 12:51:20 AM  

haolegirl: This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.


My cat's breath smells like cat food.
 
2013-06-30 12:51:34 AM  

fusillade762: 3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
When: 2006
Why: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"


Christians. Becoming more and more indistinguishable from radical muslims.
 
2013-06-30 12:55:08 AM  
I'm not in favor of banning books, but BuzzFeed makes me reconsider my stance on banning websites. And flaying the 'writers' and 'editors' for their evil works.
 
2013-06-30 12:55:35 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Is there a good date to a holocaust museum?


Meh... I've been on worse. At least it was a groupish thing. A bunch of atheist gone to see what happened when a specific group got singled out.

On the converse, you don't want me faking Christian Fundamentalist. I'd make the Reconstructionists look like a bunch of half-hearts. See, I've read the bible. If I went full CF I'd be a kosher keeping, child stoning fundie. "I have not come to rescind the law but to uphold it." and all that.

I already revile crab. Crab shops smell like piss. The damned critters don't have an equivalent to a kidney.
 
2013-06-30 12:56:24 AM  
I love that Where the Wild Things Are is banned for "witchcraft". Firstly let me say, just like Pokemon, it has nothing that will help anybody with witchcraft, except maybe a few morals.
Secondly, I find it hilarious that the notion of people banning a book for religious material (of a religion most people don't like), then banning other books for seeming like they don't have another religion's material (the one that people do like).
 
2013-06-30 12:57:55 AM  

haolegirl: This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.


Yes, but then they might start to think independently and challenge the existence of Teh Jeebus and wonder if capitalism is the correct path for a country and we can't have the childrens thinking for themselves.
 
2013-06-30 12:59:32 AM  
I bet FARKers could write a children's book that could get banned in every state.
 
2013-06-30 12:59:49 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many people who are shocked by this list are as interested in Paula Deen's public flaying.

"That's different"


Well actually they are completely different. I didn't see any of the books using racist language. To be honest trying to conflate the two news stories seems like the desperate act of a deeply stupid person.
 
2013-06-30 01:04:31 AM  
Makes me think that if the Taliban werent brown theyd be one of the USAs top allies.

/Them and the US fundies would get along great.
 
2013-06-30 01:05:04 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: I don't see what the big deal is. Isn't this the new "age of enlightenment" where we suppress, mock, or shame ideas that make us uncomfortable under the guise of creating a "safe place free from triggering events"? So we ban a few books. At least people's feelings won't be hurt.

When the concept of "hate speech" gained legitimacy, I knew free speech (as a philosophical idea, not a constitutional right) was next.


I think we read different articles.
 
2013-06-30 01:05:54 AM  
The Christian Bible encourages rape, murder, incest, slavery, and genocide....

Perhaps the Christians should consider having it banned.
 
2013-06-30 01:06:50 AM  

therecksays: WhippingBoy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I wonder how many people who are shocked by this list are as interested in Paula Deen's public flaying.

"That's different"

Well actually they are completely different. I didn't see any of the books using racist language. To be honest trying to conflate the two news stories seems like the desperate act of a deeply stupid person.


Ha! Holy shiat, I didn't think anyone would admit to it.
 
2013-06-30 01:07:39 AM  
"Judy can pat the bunny"...oh yeah, Judy can pat that bunny reeeal good.

tinybop.com

/her eyes say, "come-hither"
 
2013-06-30 01:08:21 AM  

LordOfThePings: wildcardjack: Ehhhh, maybe "ass" is a little much for a kids book. At least in a class setting.

Ass also means donkey. Jackassdonkey who wrote TFA doesn't provide any context.


FTF this list.
 
2013-06-30 01:08:29 AM  

Bong Hits For Mohammed: Huh.  I figured that The Adventures of Huckelberry Finn would be on the list.  That book hurt MY feelin's, 'cuz it had so many words I had to read!


I think they were shooting for books targeted at younger age groups, otherwise it would have naturally made the list.  Personally, I read it in the third grade, but I was way ahead of the norm in reading skills.  That's one of the benefits of having a dad who taught English, encouraged reading, and limited our daily t.v. time.

People are still trying to ban Huck Finn because "it's racist".  These people have obviously not read the book.
 
2013-06-30 01:08:30 AM  

YodaTuna: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: I don't see what the big deal is. Isn't this the new "age of enlightenment" where we suppress, mock, or shame ideas that make us uncomfortable under the guise of creating a "safe place free from triggering events"? So we ban a few books. At least people's feelings won't be hurt.

When the concept of "hate speech" gained legitimacy, I knew free speech (as a philosophical idea, not a constitutional right) was next.

I think we read different articles.


Probably, if you only read articles that reinforce your worldview.
 
2013-06-30 01:12:34 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ongbok: [upload.wikimedia.org image 175x305]

There was a big hubbub in the town were I grew up on the 90's because a group of fundies wanted to remove this book from the grade school. Well they didn't succeed that day but more and more of them started moving in and farking with the school system. In 10 years the school system went from being one of the best in the country to one of the worst in the state.

I bet it was the same SOBs that went after Harry Potter.

I say anything that can get a pre-teen to read a 500 page book is a good thing.


Tweens spend all their time playing video games or text messaging each other.  Suddenly they are actually reading a real, honest to god book.  No, it's not the greatest literature around, but it's a farking book!  Hell, that's about as awesome as you can get.  Yes, I bought my stepdaughter every single one of the series.  I read the first two to her each evening at bedtime because her English reading skills were not yet up to snuff (she wasn't a native English speaker).
 
2013-06-30 01:15:06 AM  
I don't know why this one cracks me up:


Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010


Why: Forget anti-semitism; the 50th Anniversary "Definitive Edition'" was instead banned by a Virginia school because of its "sexual content and homosexual themes." Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."


I can at least understand the "thinking" behind the other book-bannings...but "TOO DEPRESSING"?!??!? "Yes, we can't allow children to read this book, it's much too sad for them." If that's the case, why single out "Diary of Anne Frank" for such banning? Why not "Bambi" and "Peter Rabbit"?
 
2013-06-30 01:15:39 AM  
7. Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Why: The book was banned from several classrooms in Pennsylvania on accounts of "profanity, disrespect for adults, and an elaborate fantasy world that might lead to confusion." The book has also been banned by other schools for its use of the phrases "Oh Lord" and "Lord."


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-30 01:16:22 AM  
Winnie the Pooh is the best bear ever.
 
2013-06-30 01:17:35 AM  

SpdrJay: The Christian Bible encourages rape, murder, incest, slavery, and genocide....

Perhaps the Christians should consider having it banned.


A city passed an ordinance requiring the librarian to put all "adult themed" books in a section that children where not allowed to enter.  Much hilarity ensued when she put the bible in the adult section.  She based it on the criteria set forth by the city council, to the letter.

It was years ago, but I'm going to guess it was in Kansas.
 
2013-06-30 01:19:00 AM  

xrayspx: The AA Milne Nazi thing is kind of funny, since he wrote many anti PG Wodehouse screeds for living in Europe and being (oblivious) to the Nazis at the time. I can kind of believe Wodehouse sort of just bumbling around and getting his money from whatever bank and not being terribly worried about politics.


Even more off topic, but has to be said first, for anyone who has never read any Wodehouse- go do it. The man was one of the finest writers of light comedy who ever lived. Right Ho, Jeeves is an excellent place to start.

That said, he was incredibly naive and unworldly about politics, which is why he was, yes, caught bumbling around France when the Nazis invaded. He ended up in a (relatively unhorrible) internment camp, where he further compounded his error by recording some radio talks about his experiences there, while he was there. They were not in any way pro-Nazi propaganda, but that's what people back in England were told by the Ministry of Propaganda Information. And that's what set off the anti-Wodehouse firestorm in England, not what bank he got his money out of. After being repatriated due to his age, he went off to live in America and never returned to England. To his credit, many times over the years he included comments in his stories about what chumps and idiots writers tend to be..

He's probably never been banned anywhere in the US, but I imagine only because so few people here know about his work.
 
2013-06-30 01:32:30 AM  
One story that I always liked is about an original album of TinTin that was banned in the US because it depicted a black character and a white character in the same page, and we couldn't have that, because of the children...
 
2013-06-30 01:35:14 AM  

WhippingBoy: haolegirl: This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.

My cat's breath smells like cat food.


I know, but I'm sitting here watching her play cribbage with my bf's dad (I taught her last night!) and she's kicking his o'kole! I have to think encouraging independent thinking, especially for *gasp* girls is the best thing I can do as a mom...
 
2013-06-30 01:35:16 AM  
I thought that list was going to consist of nothing but Judy Blume books.

/disappointed
 
2013-06-30 01:36:14 AM  

geoduck42: xrayspx: The AA Milne Nazi thing is kind of funny, since he wrote many anti PG Wodehouse screeds for living in Europe and being (oblivious) to the Nazis at the time. I can kind of believe Wodehouse sort of just bumbling around and getting his money from whatever bank and not being terribly worried about politics.

Even more off topic, but has to be said first, for anyone who has never read any Wodehouse- go do it. The man was one of the finest writers of light comedy who ever lived. Right Ho, Jeeves is an excellent place to start.

That said, he was incredibly naive and unworldly about politics, which is why he was, yes, caught bumbling around France when the Nazis invaded. He ended up in a (relatively unhorrible) internment camp, where he further compounded his error by recording some radio talks about his experiences there, while he was there. They were not in any way pro-Nazi propaganda, but that's what people back in England were told by the Ministry of Propaganda Information. And that's what set off the anti-Wodehouse firestorm in England, not what bank he got his money out of. After being repatriated due to his age, he went off to live in America and never returned to England. To his credit, many times over the years he included comments in his stories about what chumps and idiots writers tend to be..

He's probably never been banned anywhere in the US, but I imagine only because so few people here know about his work.



Hah exactly.  I can see him stumblebumming his way, Bertie Wooster style, through the Reich and somehow coming out unscathed on the other side.
 
2013-06-30 01:38:18 AM  

dj_bigbird: haolegirl: This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.

Yes, but then they might start to think independently and challenge the existence of Teh Jeebus and wonder if capitalism is the correct path for a country and we can't have the childrens thinking for themselves.


Lol, she's an atheist who is in school to be a preschool teacher, and she's on her way to buy us snacks *crossing my fingers she doesn't feed um to a diabetic horse on the way home.
 
2013-06-30 01:40:01 AM  

haolegirl: dj_bigbird: haolegirl: This almost makes me wanna cry! When my oldest was in high school she was in advanced English and had a reading list for the year, I took her to the book store and realized she had left the list at home. I improvised and ended up getting everything on the list plus a few I thought needed to be added. NOTHING is more important to a child than instilling a love of books and reading!! Give them the foundation and then stand back and watch them grow.

Yes, but then they might start to think independently and challenge the existence of Teh Jeebus and wonder if capitalism is the correct path for a country and we can't have the childrens thinking for themselves.

Lol, she's an atheist who is in school to be a preschool teacher, and she's on her way to buy us snacks *crossing my fingers she doesn't feed um to a diabetic horse on the way home.


The only reason you're here is to talk about yourself, isn't it?
 
2013-06-30 01:41:01 AM  

Lorelle: I thought that list was going to consist of nothing but Judy Blume books.

/disappointed


Yeah, I was surprised by that as well.
 
2013-06-30 01:41:12 AM  
Lol!
 
2013-06-30 01:55:30 AM  
TIL, God and his followers are a bunch of pussies
 
2013-06-30 01:58:42 AM  

xrayspx: The AA Milne Nazi thing is kind of funny, since he wrote many anti PG Wodehouse screeds for living in Europe and being (oblivious) to the Nazis at the time.  I can kind of believe Wodehouse sort of just bumbling around and getting his money from whatever bank and not being terribly worried about politics.


Wodehouse took the piss out of Oswald Mosley in one of his Jeeves and Wooster books.
 
2013-06-30 02:03:38 AM  

BitwiseShift: dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!

Or how about the Bible, Numbers 22. Baalam and his talking donkey. Godwined again.


Are you saying that He was talking out His ass?
 
2013-06-30 02:04:04 AM  

dbirchall: Narnia


Bbbbut C.S. Lewis is an apologist, so he gets a pass.  His talking animals are on "our" side.

/John Cleese's rendition of Screwtape rules
 
2013-06-30 02:12:28 AM  

xrayspx: The AA Milne Nazi thing is kind of funny, since he wrote many anti PG Wodehouse screeds for living in Europe and being (oblivious) to the Nazis at the time.  I can kind of believe Wodehouse sort of just bumbling around and getting his money from whatever bank and not being terribly worried about politics.


milne also apparently worked for the war dept. and for british intelligence, writing anti-german propaganda.

seems odd to equate his work as pro-nazi, but then again people into banning things aren't usually real heavy on the rational thinking.
 
2013-06-30 02:22:07 AM  
I'm waiting for Disney's Cinderella to get banned for talking animals and promoting homosexual anal bead usage.
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2013-06-30 02:42:09 AM  

dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!


I've always found it ironic that the "Christians" who try to ban Harry Potter because it's about magic and is therefore satanic never seem to have a problem with old C.S. Lewis.
Lewis was a hard-core Christian, but there's stuff in CoN that almost certainly references occult philosophy...

/loves both CoN and HP
 
2013-06-30 02:45:34 AM  

A_Listless_Wanderer: dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!

I've always found it ironic that the "Christians" who try to ban Harry Potter because it's about magic and is therefore satanic never seem to have a problem with old C.S. Lewis.
Lewis was a hard-core Christian, but there's stuff in CoN that almost certainly references occult philosophy...

/loves both CoN and HP


Forget that. Wasn't there some dude in Christian mythology that got famous for magically transforming water into wine, and making self-replicating bread or something?
 
2013-06-30 02:48:07 AM  

HotWingAgenda: A_Listless_Wanderer: dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!

I've always found it ironic that the "Christians" who try to ban Harry Potter because it's about magic and is therefore satanic never seem to have a problem with old C.S. Lewis.
Lewis was a hard-core Christian, but there's stuff in CoN that almost certainly references occult philosophy...

/loves both CoN and HP

Forget that. Wasn't there some dude in Christian mythology that got famous for magically transforming water into wine, and making self-replicating bread or something?


If there was, he was obviously working for the devil! No Christian would ever follow a guy like that!
 
2013-06-30 02:54:00 AM  

quatchi: 12.  Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss
When: "Until as recently as 1991"
Why: Remember that time when Sam I Am tried to seduce his friend? Me neither. But the book was banned in California on accounts of "homosexual seduction."

[lolwot?]

It was also banned in China for "early Marxism" from 1965 until Dr. Seuss' death in 1991.

Wait, Green Eggs and Ham was too Marxist for China?

Is BuzzFeed the new Onion?



It was banned for being "early Marxist" as opposed to "Maoist", or more accurately, for not being "socialism with Chinese characteristics".

The official Party line in China is that they modified Marxism to accommodate reality.  It's a lot more complex than that, but the short version is "that doesn't work here, exactly, so we need to change it".
 
2013-06-30 03:00:46 AM  
www.theblindcard.com

Uncle Remus and Friends

 
2013-06-30 03:02:32 AM  
Librarians don't ban books simply on request.  Requested to be banned =/= banned.

There are a few requests I would agree with ( 50 Shades and the Twilight series) however as a Librarian ALL books are allowed in my library.  So sorry, your precious snowflake can indeed read Mein Kampf if they want to.

Source:  I'm a Librarian.
 
2013-06-30 03:12:34 AM  
Talking animals are considered an offense against God in Kansas ?!?! Well if they would stop inter-breeding with their livestock, the animals would stop learning to talk...
 
2013-06-30 03:24:45 AM  
WHO THE FARK BANS CHARLOTTE'S WEB?


/or any of these books, for that matter
 
2013-06-30 03:34:19 AM  

WizardofToast: Why: All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles."


The book was  The Wizard of Oz,and the year was 1928. Chicago, of course, is and was heavily Catholic, and the Church was very concerned in the 20s and 30s about "modern" women. One of the big issues pushed by the Motion Picture Production Code about that time: get strong, modern women out of the movies. The Catholic hierarchy was responsible.
 
2013-06-30 03:40:20 AM  
Another shiatty article by buzzfeed that has no business being greenlit.
 
2013-06-30 03:44:00 AM  
How much do you want to bet that most of the books banned were never fully read by the closed minded bureaucrats and the religious that banned them?
 
2013-06-30 03:44:27 AM  
I have no idea what would be 'marxist' about Green Eggs and Ham.  Was it because he didn't charge money for the green breakfast?
 
2013-06-30 03:50:51 AM  
Okay, I'm at a work computer that doesn't allow access to Buzzfeed (lucky me), but why was Bridge to Terabethia banned?  I read that book in 5th grade, at a private christian school in Texas!  Probably one of my favorite books ever at that point, and I still read it every once in awhile.
 
2013-06-30 03:52:03 AM  

BMFPitt: 7. Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Why: The book was banned from several classrooms in Pennsylvania on accounts of "profanity, disrespect for adults, and an elaborate fantasy world that might lead to confusion." The book has also been banned by other schools for its use of the phrases "Oh Lord" and "Lord."

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Lansydyr: Okay, I'm at a work computer that doesn't allow access to Buzzfeed (lucky me), but why was Bridge to Terabethia banned?  I read that book in 5th grade, at a private christian school in Texas!  Probably one of my favorite books ever at that point, and I still read it every once in awhile.


Never mind, I missed that post.  Thanks for quoting, and that it just farking ridiculous.
 
2013-06-30 03:52:50 AM  

mithras_angel: It was banned for being "early Marxist" as opposed to "Maoist", or more accurately, for not being "socialism with Chinese characteristics".

The official Party line in China is that they modified Marxism to accommodate reality.  It's a lot more complex than that, but the short version is "that doesn't work here, exactly, so we need to change it".


Yeah, I get that part of the equation but what I don't get is how anyone could interpret GE&H as political in any sense much less with that nuance.

I mean I could maybe see some Muslim country or Israel banning the book for it's pro -pork/ anti kosher/halal message but for not being enough in line with Maoist thought?

That seems to be over thinking things a trifle.
 
2013-06-30 03:56:54 AM  

quatchi: 12.  Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss
When: "Until as recently as 1991"
Why: Remember that time when Sam I Am tried to seduce his friend? Me neither. But the book was banned in California on accounts of "homosexual seduction."

[lolwot?]


What, you've never tried these immortal lines as a pick-up?

"Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?"

They'd have been even more upset if they read as far as the "Could you, would you, with a goat?" part.
 
2013-06-30 05:36:19 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If animals that can talk are an insult to Gerd, then what is Sarah Palin?


Didnt some burning bush talk to Moses or something?
 
2013-06-30 05:41:52 AM  

TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?


i haven't red Rand in a long time, but wasn't the tree following her belief to live the purpose of a tree?

not defending the book.  it was my brothers favorite , but i never liked how it ended.  just saying that Rand would say the tree did what it should have.  i could be way wrong. yay discussion!
 
2013-06-30 05:56:44 AM  

WizardofToast: I'm pretty sure Tigger is offensive to black people because it sounds so close to a racial slur


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2013-06-30 06:01:17 AM  
Not going to read through the entire thread before commenting...just want to say, THIS IS WHY WE CAN"T HAVE NICE THINGS, you religious c*cks*ckers!
 
2013-06-30 06:09:16 AM  
So, somebody please tell me, Why aren't the Turner Diaries banned?
 
2013-06-30 06:40:32 AM  

HotWingAgenda: A_Listless_Wanderer: dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!

I've always found it ironic that the "Christians" who try to ban Harry Potter because it's about magic and is therefore satanic never seem to have a problem with old C.S. Lewis.
Lewis was a hard-core Christian, but there's stuff in CoN that almost certainly references occult philosophy...

/loves both CoN and HP

Forget that. Wasn't there some dude in Christian mythology that got famous for magically transforming water into wine, and making self-replicating bread or something?


Oh, indeed. My original hardcover copy of "Lion, Witch..." contains some very specific references to Norse mythology, when the White Witch is talking to Aslan and says "Tell you what is written on the trunk of the World Ash Tree?" And something else, that has to do with Celtic folklore, I forget. In newer editions, that part has been removed and replaced with some non-religious dreck. Very strange...
 
2013-06-30 07:10:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: A_Listless_Wanderer: dbirchall: Talking animals? Just wait 'til these guys hear about the Chronicles of Narnia!

I've always found it ironic that the "Christians" who try to ban Harry Potter because it's about magic and is therefore satanic never seem to have a problem with old C.S. Lewis.
Lewis was a hard-core Christian, but there's stuff in CoN that almost certainly references occult philosophy...

/loves both CoN and HP

Forget that. Wasn't there some dude in Christian mythology that got famous for magically transforming water into wine, and making self-replicating bread or something?

Oh, indeed. My original hardcover copy of "Lion, Witch..." contains some very specific references to Norse mythology, when the White Witch is talking to Aslan and says "Tell you what is written on the trunk of the World Ash Tree?" And something else, that has to do with Celtic folklore, I forget. In newer editions, that part has been removed and replaced with some non-religious dreck. Very strange...


I don't think he's called by name, but Bacchus makes an appearance. I think Pan may be with him. Plus fauns and nymphs.

And what is at heart a surprisingly positive view of Islam (and other faiths in general), for that matter.
 
2013-06-30 07:10:41 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And didn't it bother anyone else that the boy always demanded things and never bothered to say thank you? My boys (then 6 & 3) pointed that out to me.


I may just be drunk, but as I remember it, that was the whole point of the Giving Tree, and it was so famous and tear-jerking precisely because it made that bother you.
 
2013-06-30 07:11:26 AM  

Lost_in_Korea: So, somebody please tell me, Why aren't the Turner Diaries banned?


Freedom. Plus you don't really have to ban shiat no one reads.
 
2013-06-30 07:42:06 AM  

TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?


And there's my next T-shirt.
 
2013-06-30 07:42:31 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And didn't it bother anyone else that the boy always demanded things and never bothered to say thank you? My boys (then 6 & 3) pointed that out to me.

I may just be drunk, but as I remember it, that was the whole point of the Giving Tree, and it was so famous and tear-jerking precisely because it made that bother you.


I'm pretty high, but I farking hated that book because the boy just takes and takes and the tree gives literally everything for nothing in return. Sick and quite unequal. I didn't pick up that that was the entire point, if so...then bravo, it did a great job evoking disgust. My impression was that it was religious-y in nature and glorifying a sick selfless love, hence my disgust.

Did the author ever say what their view was? I suppose regardless the fact that it evokes this discussion and reaction so strongly so many years later is a testament to what it is.

/hopes the boy got some nasty splinters
 
2013-06-30 07:56:08 AM  

LincolnLogolas: I'm waiting for Disney's Cinderella to get banned for talking animals and promoting homosexual anal bead usage.
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WTFark! Is that? Is it a (GIS) Ben Frost is dead?
 
2013-06-30 08:00:20 AM  

TheBlackFlag: How much do you want to bet that most of the books banned were never fully read by the closed minded bureaucrats and the religious that banned them?


Not that it's a classic (yet), but one might safely judge the book "Heather Has Two Mommies" by the cover alone. Of course, "Daddy's Roommate" requires a peak inside.
 
2013-06-30 08:05:21 AM  
So the Texas State BoE, who is in charge of the education of children, couldn't do a little bit of simple research?  A google check?  Well, I certainly see that state's educational rankings rising....
 
2013-06-30 08:12:16 AM  
It's funny how quick farkers are to jump on the animals talking portion of Winnie the Pooh, but leave the offensive to Muslims part out of their scorn.  Because making fun of Muslims makes you racist, or something.
 
2013-06-30 08:15:19 AM  

TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?


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2013-06-30 08:18:36 AM  
Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What do you hear?

The cries of the proletariat to be lead to revolution over the corrupt bourgeois!
 
2013-06-30 08:45:50 AM  

dbirchall: quatchi: 12.  Green Eggs and Ham by Dr. Seuss
When: "Until as recently as 1991"
Why: Remember that time when Sam I Am tried to seduce his friend? Me neither. But the book was banned in California on accounts of "homosexual seduction."

[lolwot?]

What, you've never tried these immortal lines as a pick-up?

"Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?"

They'd have been even more upset if they read as far as the "Could you, would you, with a goat?" part.


That's basically where it came from.  Here's the "explanation" I found through some searching:

"Green Eggs and Ham, meanwhile, is a thinly disguised account of homosexual seduction. In this kiddie favorite, "Sam I Am" (that is, "Same As I Am") tries to persuade the narrator to "eat" green eggs and ham. Anyone who has traveled in the Spanish-speaking world knows what "eggs" are. The ham, of course, is a long, phallic sausage, perfect for "porking" someone. The protagonist repeatedly denies any interest in the offer, but Sam persists, proposing that he join him in any number of locations, positions, and kinky arrangements. ("Would you, could you, on a boat? Would you, could you, with a goat?") Finally, our hero gives in, just once-and discovers that he enjoys fellating breakfast after all. Sam has made a convert, and the legion of God-Fearing Heterosexuals is diminished by one.
  Actually, The Cat in the Hat leaves an odd aftertaste, with its closing admonition not to tell your parents what you've been up to. Read immediately after Green Eggs and Ham, the moral is clear."
 
2013-06-30 08:53:13 AM  

Oldiron_79: brantgoose: People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

Yeah I dont even think Zombie Freud could find most of the undertones claimed.


   I'm actually wondering if that report of the book having been banned in 1900 for sexual content is an internet legend.  Apparently the site which originally listed that info is no longer up, so the only citations available are other sites which took their info from that site. And since it was 113 years ago, chances of finding a verifiable source are not good.
   It's possible it could have been banned due to the accusations that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, but it's not clear to me if those accusations were already going around that early (he died in 1898) or if those came about more later.
 
2013-06-30 09:01:50 AM  
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2013-06-30 09:02:00 AM  

brantgoose: People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

The political and religious lunacy goes without saying.

But I suppose that you could find The Lorax and The Giving Tree anti-chain saw. But who speaks for the trees, people? Who speaks for the trees?


Nothing in the linked story mentions masturbation. I think rather than read the book they may have watched the Kristine DeBell movie version. Her spanking the monkey scene was a cinema classic.
 
2013-06-30 09:04:03 AM  

o4tuna: WizardofToast: I'm pretty sure Tigger is offensive to black people because it sounds so close to a racial slur

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2013-06-30 09:16:18 AM  
I assume the school district that banned the Giving Tree and The Lorax was in Logging Town, Logging County in the Logging region of CA.
 
2013-06-30 09:20:23 AM  

vbob: [www.theblindcard.com image 597x392]Uncle Remus and Friends


Everybody needs to read the originals.

The more you play with it, the more gets on you.
 
2013-06-30 09:23:09 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Oldiron_79: brantgoose: People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

Yeah I dont even think Zombie Freud could find most of the undertones claimed.

   I'm actually wondering if that report of the book having been banned in 1900 for sexual content is an internet legend.  Apparently the site which originally listed that info is no longer up, so the only citations available are other sites which took their info from that site. And since it was 113 years ago, chances of finding a verifiable source are not good.
   It's possible it could have been banned due to the accusations that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, but it's not clear to me if those accusations were already going around that early (he died in 1898) or if those came about more later.


There are a couple of interviews that exist with inspiration for Alice.  She described their relationship as nonsexual, but by today's standards would be considered creepy to say the least.
 
2013-06-30 09:23:09 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: I don't see what the big deal is. Isn't this the new "age of enlightenment" where we suppress, mock, or shame ideas that make us uncomfortable under the guise of creating a "safe place free from triggering events"? So we ban a few books. At least people's feelings won't be hurt.

When the concept of "hate speech" gained legitimacy, I knew free speech (as a philosophical idea, not a constitutional right) was next.


No, no no. There are no possible negative consequences from criminalizing opinions.
 
2013-06-30 09:23:31 AM  
Oh, bother.
 
2013-06-30 09:34:28 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Kiss my ass, copypaste buzzfeed sponsored partner bullshiat


Not sponsored.  Just because you didn't like the article doesn't mean that no one else did.
 
2013-06-30 09:38:29 AM  

Bong Hits For Mohammed: Huh.  I figured that The Adventures of Huckelberry Finn would be on the list.  That book hurt MY feelin's, 'cuz it had so many words I had to read!


Also, Ten Little N***ers Indians.  Or, heck, just call it And Then There Were None because you can't even get "not being racist" done right.

/Yes, the first title of that book had the n-word as its title.
 
2013-06-30 09:38:43 AM  

Edgewood Dirk: Librarians don't ban books simply on request.  Requested to be banned =/= banned.

There are a few requests I would agree with ( 50 Shades and the Twilight series) however as a Librarian ALL books are allowed in my library.  So sorry, your precious snowflake can indeed read Mein Kampf if they want to.

Source:  I'm a Librarian.


Only slightly off topic here, but every librarian I've ever talked to or heard from has been a very vocal opponent of censorship and seem to echo such statements as your "ALL books are allowed in my library".  I'd just like to say Thank You for your efforts to eradicate ignorance.  Librarians seem to be a woefully undervalued resource these days.
 
2013-06-30 09:47:04 AM  
Knowledge is power, books are full to burst with knowledges, henceworth - books have the power to sort this out and squash the icky dumb human problem.
I bow down to my book overlords.
Go Book Yourself.
 
2013-06-30 09:48:17 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Oldiron_79: brantgoose: People who ban children's books are completely wacko.

Masturbation in Alice in Wonderland? I've read that book many times and I've yet to find anything sexual.

Yeah I dont even think Zombie Freud could find most of the undertones claimed.

   I'm actually wondering if that report of the book having been banned in 1900 for sexual content is an internet legend.  Apparently the site which originally listed that info is no longer up, so the only citations available are other sites which took their info from that site. And since it was 113 years ago, chances of finding a verifiable source are not good.
   It's possible it could have been banned due to the accusations that Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, but it's not clear to me if those accusations were already going around that early (he died in 1898) or if those came about more later.



The chief difficulty Alice found at first was in managing her flamingo: she succeeded in getting its body tucked away, comfortably enough, under her arm, with its legs hanging down, but generally, just as she had got its neck nicely straightened out, and was going to give the hedgehog a blow with its head, itwould twist itself round and look up in her face, with such a puzzled expression that she could not help bursting out laughing: and when she had got its head down, and was going to begin again, it was very provoking to find that the hedgehog had unrolled itself, and was in the act of crawling away: besides all this, there was generally a ridge or furrow in the way wherever she wanted to send the hedgehog to, and, as the doubled-up soldiers were always getting up and walking off to other parts of the ground, Alice soon came to the conclusion that sex was a very difficult game indeed.
 
2013-06-30 09:49:43 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what is at heart a surprisingly positive view of Islam (and other faiths in general), for that matter.


I always thought that the view of Islam (Tash) in the Narnia books was thoroughly unpleasant and the Calormenes a racist caricature  of everyone in the middle east. Then you get to the Last Battle and find out that anyone who did good in Tash's name was a Christian Aslanian all the time, so that's OK.

The whole series is spectacularly racist, sexist and snobbish: the rights of white humans to rule over other sentient, talking creatures; the inferior roles of women and so on. Pushing Christianity is the least of Narnia's faults.
 
2013-06-30 09:55:17 AM  

meanmutton: /Yes, the first title of that book had the n-word as its title.


Of course it did, It was written and published in Britain, where the n-word (as you bravely anti-censorship, free-speech-loving folks must call it) has never had the odium attached to it which it had in the US. As a parallel consider the r-word, which is tossed around on Fark and in the US but which is utterly unacceptable in the UK.
 
2013-06-30 10:00:24 AM  
haven't believed anything from buzzfeed for a long time. just look at their chemicals in food article.
 
2013-06-30 10:02:55 AM  

Lady Indica: ghostfacekillahrabbit: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And didn't it bother anyone else that the boy always demanded things and never bothered to say thank you? My boys (then 6 & 3) pointed that out to me.

I may just be drunk, but as I remember it, that was the whole point of the Giving Tree, and it was so famous and tear-jerking precisely because it made that bother you.

I'm pretty high, but I farking hated that book because the boy just takes and takes and the tree gives literally everything for nothing in return. Sick and quite unequal. I didn't pick up that that was the entire point, if so...then bravo, it did a great job evoking disgust. My impression was that it was religious-y in nature and glorifying a sick selfless love, hence my disgust.

Did the author ever say what their view was? I suppose regardless the fact that it evokes this discussion and reaction so strongly so many years later is a testament to what it is.

/hopes the boy got some nasty splinters


Yeah, I never read it as a child but as an adult, it seemed like a farking awful message.
 
2013-06-30 10:04:42 AM  
Old enough to know better
2013-06-30 12:51:34 AM


fusillade762: 3. Winnie-the-Pooh by A. A. Milne
When: 2006
Why: Talking animals are somehow considered an "insult to god,"

Christians. Becoming more and more indistinguishable from radical muslims.

Not defending the stupidity of banning "talking animal books", but I note you didn't mention that books were also banned by Feminists and those who can't tolerate criticism of government..
 
2013-06-30 10:06:23 AM  
WTF is wrong with Kansas?  Seriously.
 
2013-06-30 10:11:27 AM  
Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

That's basically where it came from.  Here's the "explanation" I found through some searching:

"Green Eggs and Ham, meanwhile, is a thinly disguised account of homosexual seduction. In this kiddie favorite, "Sam I Am" (that is, "Same As I Am") tries to persuade the narrator to "eat" green eggs and ham. Anyone who has traveled in the Spanish-speaking world knows what "eggs" are. The ham, of course, is a long, phallic sausage, perfect for "porking" someone. The protagonist repeatedly denies any interest in the offer, but Sam persists, proposing that he join him in any number of locations, positions, and kinky arrangements. ("Would you, could you, on a boat? Would you, could you, with a goat?") Finally, our hero gives in, just once-and discovers that he enjoys fellating breakfast after all. Sam has made a convert, and the legion of God-Fearing Heterosexuals is diminished by one.
  Actually, The Cat in the Hat leaves an odd aftertaste, with its closing admonition not to tell your parents what you've been up to. Read immediately after Green Eggs and Ham, the moral is clear."


If you didn't write that yourself and it wasn't written by someone else ironically, I'd say that person is so deep in the wardrobe that he's in a ham-handed Christian allegory that is not banned for its occult themes.

/Sexy, dirty, forbidden, thrusting, porking ham-hands.
 
2013-06-30 10:14:15 AM  
The Giving Tree was by Shel Silverstein. He publicly hated children and said the book was about what ungrateful little pricks they can be.
 Shel Silverstein is much more fun if you understand his point of view.
 
2013-06-30 10:23:06 AM  

obamadidcoke: What about this bibble thing that they like so much? It's full of murder, rape, war and destruction. It is also closely associated with hate crimes and genocide.


I don't think all of these books are exactly appropriate for my daughter (well, actually, the Anne Frank one is a bit heavy and, yeah, there's quite a bit of sex in it that my very young child isn't grown up enough for) but that certainly doesn't mean that I'd want her reading the Bible.  I mean, when she's a bit older (say, teenager), she can read whatever she wants but now?  Yeah, we can skip that one, too.
 
2013-06-30 10:25:56 AM  

Uncle Tractor: So; christianity, political correctness, and modern  feminism. Fark all three.


Yes, fark feminism. What has it ever done for us?

All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles."

Oh....
 
2013-06-30 10:28:53 AM  

orbister: meanmutton: /Yes, the first title of that book had the n-word as its title.

Of course it did, It was written and published in Britain, where the n-word (as you bravely anti-censorship, free-speech-loving folks must call it) has never had the odium attached to it which it had in the US. As a parallel consider the r-word, which is tossed around on Fark and in the US but which is utterly unacceptable in the UK.


Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers doesn't mean that I think the government should prosecute people for its use.  Just because I think the government should not prosecute people for its use doesn't mean that I'm not going to think less of people for its willy-nilly use.

Free speech doesn't mean everyone has to say everything; it doesn't mean that you can't criticize people for saying things.  In fact, it means that criticism of people for saying disgusting things is the only proper way to handle it.

Oddly enough, it's not the US where an athlete was recently brought up on criminal charges for saying to another player, "do you think I called you a black c*nt?"
 
2013-06-30 10:35:05 AM  
10. Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice SendakWhen: 1963
Why: The book was primarily banned in most southern states immediately following its publication, and it has since been challenged due to the fact that it promotes "witchcraft and supernatural events."



Whereupon they immediately made sure that none of their science classes ever promoted explanations of the natural world that involve supernatural events ever again.  The end.
 
2013-06-30 10:38:30 AM  
Come to think of it, political correctness is far from the biggest player in this list. Only #2 is a proper example, and #13, well they kind of have a point.
 
2013-06-30 10:40:56 AM  

orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what is at heart a surprisingly positive view of Islam (and other faiths in general), for that matter.

I always thought that the view of Islam (Tash) in the Narnia books was thoroughly unpleasant and the Calormenes a racist caricature  of everyone in the middle east. Then you get to the Last Battle and find out that anyone who did good in Tash's name was a Christian Aslanian all the time, so that's OK.

The whole series is spectacularly racist, sexist and snobbish: the rights of white humans to rule over other sentient, talking creatures; the inferior roles of women and so on. Pushing Christianity is the least of Narnia's faults.


Yeah, I'm just saying that having a non-Christian character as one of the virtuous interracial-marrying heroes of one book, and a non-Christian as a virtuous man decreed worthy by Aslan himself in another book, and so on, ultimately isn't nearly as bad as it could've been. Lewis's belief is that ALL good faithful people are worthy of respect and can get to heaven, and that absolutely would not fly with some of the US fundamentalists I know.

/the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans
 
2013-06-30 10:42:01 AM  

WizardofToast: whatshisname: Winnie the Pooh is definitely gay, and maybe into bestiality, too.

I'm pretty sure Tigger is offensive to black people because it sounds so close to a racial slur and his spastic actions imply that blacks are wacky and all over the place.

Owl for all I know justifies police state fascism.


Tigger, please.
 
2013-06-30 10:53:22 AM  
That's a lot of manufactured outrage right there.

I read a number of those books as a kid (others hadn't even been written yet) and my parents were pretty farking religious conservative Christians but they had no problem whatsoever with things like Charlotte's Web, Where the Wild Things Are and seeing the word "ass" in James and the Giant Peach didn't make me gay.

FFS, I don't even remember the word "ass" being in J&GP.  I was a kid when I read it.  I was into the story.  I wasn't giggling about a word that I might get into trouble for if I uttered it.

Green Eggs & Ham has "homosexual seduction" in it?  Are farking kidding me?  I guess the last time I read that I was simply too farking young to pick up on that.  I also missed the Marxism.  My parents must have missed out on those themes as well because if they had even a whiff of either, I would never have been allowed near any Dr. Seuss book.

The scary thing though is if someone at our church had even suggested that Dr. Seuss promoted homosexuality or Marxism I would never have been allowed to see those books either.

Not that Dr. Seuss is exactly the height of literature, but it's great stuff when you're too young to read for yourself or just learning to.
 
2013-06-30 10:55:55 AM  
I prefer Robot Chicken's version of the giving tree.  When the giving tree gets tired of the kid's shiat he sends him to the other giving tree on the other side of the grove.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 10:59:21 AM  
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

/Disagree

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2013-06-30 11:01:09 AM  
i259.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-30 11:07:26 AM  

WizardofToast: Why: All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles." In 1957, the Detroit Public Library banned the book for having "no value for children of today."

We could ban books for having no value to kids? May be needed for the Twilight series.




At least the Bible is full of tales for children.

One of my favorites.

22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.

28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.

29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
Judges 19
 
2013-06-30 11:18:21 AM  

meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers


And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.
 
2013-06-30 11:19:44 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans


With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.
 
2013-06-30 11:33:33 AM  
I kind of expected to see most of these to come from Southern states, but then I remembered that we don't know how to read.

/read most of these as a child
//in Alabama
 
2013-06-30 11:35:58 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


No book makes me want to spit nails more than that piece if shiat.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:33 AM  

ongbok: There was a big hubbub in the town were I grew up on the 90's because a group of fundies wanted to remove this book from the grade school. Well they didn't succeed that day but more and more of them started moving in and farking with the school system. In 10 years the school system went from being one of the best in the country to one of the worst in the state.


jackasses. I have a cat named Matilda, after the namesake character in that book. It's a great book.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:40 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


No book makes me want to spit nails more than that piece of shiat.
 
2013-06-30 11:37:30 AM  

orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.



So, you are being forced,too?
 
2013-06-30 11:40:16 AM  

orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans

With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.


They have multiple gods, which is a pretty big no-no in Islam. And Tash is more of a Baal/Shiva/Set kind of guy; he's not just a co-opted Aslan.

Maybe that whole "Tashlan" business could be read as Islam, though.
 
2013-06-30 11:42:17 AM  
Dictionary, huh?

It's just as well.... gives people ideas, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-06-30 11:56:12 AM  

Ilmarinen: Uncle Tractor: So; christianity, political correctness, and modern  feminism. Fark all three.

Yes, fark feminism. What has it ever done for us?


Modern feminism? (harsh language). Nothing good. You're thinking of old-school feminism; which was about equality, freedom, and self-determination. Feminism these days is about telling women that they are victims of the patriarchy (pictures of male chauvinists oppressing swedish women in public). All men are rapists, all women are victims, sex is rape, blah blah blah.
 
2013-06-30 12:02:21 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans

With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.

They have multiple gods, which is a pretty big no-no in Islam. And Tash is more of a Baal/Shiva/Set kind of guy; he's not just a co-opted Aslan.

Maybe that whole "Tashlan" business could be read as Islam, though.




www.oocities.org
 
2013-06-30 12:17:28 PM  

R.P.M.: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

i haven't red Rand in a long time, but wasn't the tree following her belief to live the purpose of a tree?
 
not defending the book.  it was my brothers favorite , but i never liked how it ended.  just saying that Rand would say the tree did what it should have.  i could be way wrong. yay discussion!



Hmm.  Seems to me Rand would see the boy/man as analogous to worthless freeloaders in society who just always take and take while the tree would be well meaning liberals who try to satisfy them to make themselves feel better.  Note that it is always the tree that is happy.  The boy/man never is.  Such is the nature of entitlements.
 
2013-06-30 12:21:47 PM  

krispos42: [i259.photobucket.com image 450x600]


Good thing you brought brought that up. Only the people who read that book are racists.
 
2013-06-30 12:22:27 PM  
Anyone else have pancakes at Sambo's?
 
2013-06-30 12:24:38 PM  

eas81: 6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

/Disagree

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Lib America may laugh at the eradication of the Jews now, but it was the joke you brought on.
 
2013-06-30 12:31:31 PM  
I read Green Eggs and Ham to my youngest brother no less than 50 time ( absolutely no exaggeration ).  My brother is 26 now, so admittedly, I haven't read it in many years.
Still, I am quite sure I read nothing to the effect of 'Will you blow me in the car, will you blow me in the bar. Will you blow me Sam I am, will you blow me I am Man.'
 
2013-06-30 12:39:37 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: So, you are being forced,too?


I think it's ridiculous that the original name of "Ten Little Ni-bongs" can't be written, in context, without causing a bunch of cheerful beer-swilling farkers to faint like a Victorian woman spotting an uncovered piano leg.
 
2013-06-30 12:59:25 PM  
Not that they should be banned but Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz weren't meant for kids. Oz being political satire. The wizard being Willam Jennings Bryan. With the silver slippers, gold brick road all being metaphors.
 
2013-06-30 01:43:05 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Not that they should be banned but Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz weren't meant for kids. Oz being political satire. The wizard being Willam Jennings Bryan. With the silver slippers, gold brick road all being metaphors.


Except Alice's Adventures in Wonderland started as an improvised story for some young girls, and was written down at the request of Alice Liddell who was 10.
 
2013-06-30 01:57:10 PM  
The Forestry Department sounds like it should harvest the enormous stick up their ass.
 
2013-06-30 02:00:51 PM  

ruta: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

That's basically where it came from.  Here's the "explanation" I found through some searching:

"Green Eggs and Ham, meanwhile, is a thinly disguised account of homosexual seduction. In this kiddie favorite, "Sam I Am" (that is, "Same As I Am") tries to persuade the narrator to "eat" green eggs and ham. Anyone who has traveled in the Spanish-speaking world knows what "eggs" are. The ham, of course, is a long, phallic sausage, perfect for "porking" someone. The protagonist repeatedly denies any interest in the offer, but Sam persists, proposing that he join him in any number of locations, positions, and kinky arrangements. ("Would you, could you, on a boat? Would you, could you, with a goat?") Finally, our hero gives in, just once-and discovers that he enjoys fellating breakfast after all. Sam has made a convert, and the legion of God-Fearing Heterosexuals is diminished by one.
  Actually, The Cat in the Hat leaves an odd aftertaste, with its closing admonition not to tell your parents what you've been up to. Read immediately after Green Eggs and Ham, the moral is clear."

If you didn't write that yourself and it wasn't written by someone else ironically, I'd say that person is so deep in the wardrobe that he's in a ham-handed Christian allegory that is not banned for its occult themes.

/Sexy, dirty, forbidden, thrusting, porking ham-hands.


I'm pretty sure it was intentionally written ironically. The source I got it from is here:  http://reason.com/archives/2002/09/26/ban-this-book
 
2013-06-30 02:07:42 PM  

orbister: The whole series is spectacularly racist, sexist and snobbish: the rights of white humans to rule over other sentient, talking creatures; the inferior roles of women and so on. Pushing Christianity is the least of Narnia's faults.


This.
 
2013-06-30 02:19:30 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I bet FARKers could write a children's book that could get banned in every state country.


FTFA
 
2013-06-30 02:31:31 PM  
Deeply surprised to not see any Judy Blume books on the list.  Or Paul Zindel, for that matter.  His books were great but somewhat depressing.
 
2013-06-30 02:41:16 PM  

orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.


It's Drew's website, not ours.  Don't like it?  Start your own.
 
2013-06-30 03:13:08 PM  
They should ban people who love this book.
24.media.tumblr.com

shaungroves.com
 
2013-06-30 03:26:25 PM  

muck4doo: Anyone else have pancakes at Sambo's?


I remember going to Little Black Sambo's once as a kid while on vacation. It was a Denny's type place. They had a story book about an African kid named Sambo that detailed the kid outsmarting a tiger to avoid being eaten. At the time I didn't see it portraying blacks in a bad light, but I was about 8 at the time and it had not yet occurred to me that people would put effort into making other people look bad based on race.
 
2013-06-30 03:31:35 PM  

LarryDan43: They should ban people who love this book.
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[shaungroves.com image 542x552]


Yeah, that one was really creepy.
 
2013-06-30 03:43:50 PM  
This book has got to go:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Fish
 
2013-06-30 03:46:33 PM  
Um, aren't there talking animal in that great work of fiction, the Bible? Then how can you ban another book on that basis?
 
2013-06-30 04:26:39 PM  

TheBlackFlag: How much do you want to bet that most of the books banned were never fully read by the closed minded bureaucrats and the religious that banned them?


BINGO!

I remember the book banning spasms of the 1980s by the fundamentalcases. These were also the same nutter butters who spun records backward, including the theme from Mr. Ed, claiming that spun backwards, the theme said "I sung a song for Satan"
 
2013-06-30 04:46:47 PM  
I love these lists.  Lets me get a good idea of what to read to my children (assuming I ever have any).

I remember the county librarian chiding my mother for letting me read IT at age twelve.  My mom shrugged and said "He's already read your young adult section, if he can't handle it, he'll stop reading it."
 
2013-06-30 06:56:42 PM  
Zarquon's Flat Tire:  I remember the county librarian chiding my mother for letting me read IT at age twelve.  My mom shrugged and said "He's already read your young adult section, if he can't handle it, he'll stop reading it."

I did a book report on The Exorcist when I was in sixth grade. My parents laughed when they found out.
 
2013-06-30 07:22:54 PM  
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

Ban this then.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-30 07:23:06 PM  

meanmutton: orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.

It's Drew's website, not ours.


Of course, although the healthy living he makes from this website does depend on the rest of us as unpaid content creators.

That said, I still find it simultaneously funny and depressing that a group of people who are generally cheerfully irreverent are so hung up on one word. Maybe it's a transatlantic thing.
 
2013-06-30 07:28:30 PM  

NotARocketScientist: At the time I didn't see it portraying blacks in a bad light


It doesn't. It's an entirely harmless story about a bright little boy. It's the subsequent use of "Sambo" as a term of abuse (Is it bad in the US? It's about level-pegging with "ni-bong" in the UK) which has caused the problems. Change the name and the story is harmless and charming.

images.indiebound.com
 
2013-06-30 08:01:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?


Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 08:16:54 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

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helphelpwerebeingrepressed.jpg
 
2013-06-30 08:24:51 PM  
I haven't read every book on the list, but based on the ones I have read, this reinforces my belief that banned book lists make excellent reading lists.
 
2013-06-30 08:27:00 PM  

TV's Vinnie: 100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

[i.imgur.com image 850x403]

helphelpwerebeingrepressed.jpg


To be fair, it's specifically christians who laughably cry oppression, not Randian socio-political dittoheads.
 
2013-06-30 08:40:39 PM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: ruta: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

That's basically where it came from.  Here's the "explanation" I found through some searching:

"Green Eggs and Ham, meanwhile, is a thinly disguised account of homosexual seduction. In this kiddie favorite, "Sam I Am" (that is, "Same As I Am") tries to persuade the narrator to "eat" green eggs and ham. Anyone who has traveled in the Spanish-speaking world knows what "eggs" are. The ham, of course, is a long, phallic sausage, perfect for "porking" someone. The protagonist repeatedly denies any interest in the offer, but Sam persists, proposing that he join him in any number of locations, positions, and kinky arrangements. ("Would you, could you, on a boat? Would you, could you, with a goat?") Finally, our hero gives in, just once-and discovers that he enjoys fellating breakfast after all. Sam has made a convert, and the legion of God-Fearing Heterosexuals is diminished by one.
  Actually, The Cat in the Hat leaves an odd aftertaste, with its closing admonition not to tell your parents what you've been up to. Read immediately after Green Eggs and Ham, the moral is clear."

If you didn't write that yourself and it wasn't written by someone else ironically, I'd say that person is so deep in the wardrobe that he's in a ham-handed Christian allegory that is not banned for its occult themes.

/Sexy, dirty, forbidden, thrusting, porking ham-hands.

I'm pretty sure it was intentionally written ironically. The source I got it from is here:  http://reason.com/archives/2002/09/26/ban-this-book


You really got to have a lot of gay on your mind to read all of that into Green Eggs and Ham.
 
2013-06-30 08:51:12 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: 100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

[i.imgur.com image 850x403]

helphelpwerebeingrepressed.jpg

To be fair, it's specifically christians who laughably cry oppression, not Randian socio-political dittoheads.


Not always.
 
2013-06-30 10:24:34 PM  
Hmm...well, I've read all of those, own most of them and I've read probably half of them to my 4 year old little girl.  Guess I'm an unfit parent.

/Green Eggs and Ham promotes homosexuality??
//WTF about Brown Bear, Brown Bear
///we even own that one in Spanish
////Oso pardo, oso pardo, ¿que ves ahi?
 
2013-06-30 10:31:31 PM  

NotARocketScientist: muck4doo: Anyone else have pancakes at Sambo's?

I remember going to Little Black Sambo's once as a kid while on vacation. It was a Denny's type place. They had a story book about an African kid named Sambo that detailed the kid outsmarting a tiger to avoid being eaten. At the time I didn't see it portraying blacks in a bad light, but I was about 8 at the time and it had not yet occurred to me that people would put effort into making other people look bad based on race.



I remember eating at one on the Oregon coast sometime around 1963.  It had a huge depiction of some black kid tricking a tiger into running around a palm tree until the tiger turned into butter.  The kid was dressed up like I would imagine someone from India would wear (my knowledge being gleaned from the Ripley's Believe It Or Not books my grandmother kept).
 
2013-06-30 10:39:16 PM  

orbister: meanmutton: orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.

It's Drew's website, not ours.

Of course, although the healthy living he makes from this website does depend on the rest of us as unpaid content creators.

That said, I still find it simultaneously funny and depressing that a group of people who are generally cheerfully irreverent are so hung up on one word. Maybe it's a transatlantic thing.


Dude, you live in a country (the UK, for anyone who desn't check profiles)  that criminally prosecutes people for racial slurs.  Criminal frickin' prosecution that can result in prison time.  We just think the people who use it are asshats.

Who is hung up on what?
 
2013-06-30 10:42:49 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

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Huck Finn, for one.

That said, they tend to spend their censorship trying to censor political speech.
 
2013-07-01 12:15:28 AM  

therecksays: therecksays: Banning books? Have we learned nothing for Footloose?

for = from

/facepalm


well, at least you didn't say form... that would mean you are cixelsyd.
 
2013-07-01 01:00:36 AM  

Persnickety: R.P.M.: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

i haven't red Rand in a long time, but wasn't the tree following her belief to live the purpose of a tree?
 
not defending the book.  it was my brothers favorite , but i never liked how it ended.  just saying that Rand would say the tree did what it should have.  i could be way wrong. yay discussion!


Hmm.  Seems to me Rand would see the boy/man as analogous to worthless freeloaders in society who just always take and take while the tree would be well meaning liberals who try to satisfy them to make themselves feel better.  Note that it is always the tree that is happy.  The boy/man never is.  Such is the nature of entitlements.


ya, to be honest, the reasons you stated about the boy/man is reason i hated it.  just tired of people reading to much into a comment and then going full defcon 5 with come backs. a lot of things can be "read" however we want them.  just was trying to point that out.  and failed...=)
 
2013-07-01 01:05:28 AM  
I have that "where's Waldo" jigsaw puzzle. BOOBIES!
 
2013-07-01 01:39:04 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Yeah, I'm just saying that having a non-Christian character as one of the virtuous interracial-marrying heroes of one book, and a non-Christian as a virtuous man decreed worthy by Aslan himself in another book, and so on, ultimately isn't nearly as bad as it could've been. Lewis's belief is that ALL good faithful people are worthy of respect and can get to heaven, and that absolutely would not fly with some of the US fundamentalists I know.


It seemed to me that Lewis was saying something more specific and radical than "all good people can get to heaven." I don't have the book in front of me to get Aslan's exact quote to the noble Calormene, but it seemed to imply that anyone who lives a good life IS a Christian whether they know it or not, and anyone who does evil IS whatever we want to call Tash-worship an allegory for, whether they know it or not.
 
2013-07-01 04:08:04 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.


Banning books is the opposite of being liberal. It's the conservatives and the PC crowd who ban books.
 
2013-07-01 04:14:08 AM  
meanmutton: Huck Finn, for one.

That said, they tend to spend their censorship trying to censor political speech.


No, liberals don't ban books. You're talking about Political correctness. Political correctness isn't liberal; it's another form of intolerance.

If a white supremacist was invited to a public political debate, the politically correct would try to silence him/her or disrupt the event. Liberals would participate and meet the supremacist's arguments with counterarguments and actual facts.

Again; political correctness is not liberal.
 
2013-07-01 07:54:53 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: WizardofToast: Why: All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles." In 1957, the Detroit Public Library banned the book for having "no value for children of today."

We could ban books for having no value to kids? May be needed for the Twilight series.

At least the Bible is full of tales for children.

One of my favorites.

22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.

28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.

29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the ...


It's even better when you understand what they mean by, "...know him".  Yes, that's exactly what it means.  There is a lot of knowing of people in the bible, come to think of it.
 
2013-07-01 10:58:59 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Yeah, I'm just saying that having a non-Christian character as one of the virtuous interracial-marrying heroes of one book, and a non-Christian as a virtuous man decreed worthy by Aslan himself in another book, and so on, ultimately isn't nearly as bad as it could've been. Lewis's belief is that ALL good faithful people are worthy of respect and can get to heaven, and that absolutely would not fly with some of the US fundamentalists I know.

It seemed to me that Lewis was saying something more specific and radical than "all good people can get to heaven." I don't have the book in front of me to get Aslan's exact quote to the noble Calormene, but it seemed to imply that anyone who lives a good life IS a Christian whether they know it or not, and anyone who does evil IS whatever we want to call Tash-worship an allegory for, whether they know it or not.


I think that's more or less right, but as backhanded as that may seem...it is beyond the pale, in the view of a lot of the Christians I've known, to suggest that a virtuous devout pagan is literally serving Christ and an asshole who's an avowed "Christian" is not and each will reap his afterlife rewards accordingly.

/not that kind of known
 
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