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(Buzzfeed)   Fifteen classic children's books banned in certain areas of the United States. Apparently, Winnie the Pooh is a Nazi and an insult to god since he's a talking animal   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 213
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2013-06-30 10:28:53 AM  

orbister: meanmutton: /Yes, the first title of that book had the n-word as its title.

Of course it did, It was written and published in Britain, where the n-word (as you bravely anti-censorship, free-speech-loving folks must call it) has never had the odium attached to it which it had in the US. As a parallel consider the r-word, which is tossed around on Fark and in the US but which is utterly unacceptable in the UK.


Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers doesn't mean that I think the government should prosecute people for its use.  Just because I think the government should not prosecute people for its use doesn't mean that I'm not going to think less of people for its willy-nilly use.

Free speech doesn't mean everyone has to say everything; it doesn't mean that you can't criticize people for saying things.  In fact, it means that criticism of people for saying disgusting things is the only proper way to handle it.

Oddly enough, it's not the US where an athlete was recently brought up on criminal charges for saying to another player, "do you think I called you a black c*nt?"
 
2013-06-30 10:35:05 AM  
10. Where the Wild Things Are by Maurice SendakWhen: 1963
Why: The book was primarily banned in most southern states immediately following its publication, and it has since been challenged due to the fact that it promotes "witchcraft and supernatural events."



Whereupon they immediately made sure that none of their science classes ever promoted explanations of the natural world that involve supernatural events ever again.  The end.
 
2013-06-30 10:38:30 AM  
Come to think of it, political correctness is far from the biggest player in this list. Only #2 is a proper example, and #13, well they kind of have a point.
 
2013-06-30 10:40:56 AM  

orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: And what is at heart a surprisingly positive view of Islam (and other faiths in general), for that matter.

I always thought that the view of Islam (Tash) in the Narnia books was thoroughly unpleasant and the Calormenes a racist caricature  of everyone in the middle east. Then you get to the Last Battle and find out that anyone who did good in Tash's name was a Christian Aslanian all the time, so that's OK.

The whole series is spectacularly racist, sexist and snobbish: the rights of white humans to rule over other sentient, talking creatures; the inferior roles of women and so on. Pushing Christianity is the least of Narnia's faults.


Yeah, I'm just saying that having a non-Christian character as one of the virtuous interracial-marrying heroes of one book, and a non-Christian as a virtuous man decreed worthy by Aslan himself in another book, and so on, ultimately isn't nearly as bad as it could've been. Lewis's belief is that ALL good faithful people are worthy of respect and can get to heaven, and that absolutely would not fly with some of the US fundamentalists I know.

/the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans
 
2013-06-30 10:42:01 AM  

WizardofToast: whatshisname: Winnie the Pooh is definitely gay, and maybe into bestiality, too.

I'm pretty sure Tigger is offensive to black people because it sounds so close to a racial slur and his spastic actions imply that blacks are wacky and all over the place.

Owl for all I know justifies police state fascism.


Tigger, please.
 
2013-06-30 10:53:22 AM  
That's a lot of manufactured outrage right there.

I read a number of those books as a kid (others hadn't even been written yet) and my parents were pretty farking religious conservative Christians but they had no problem whatsoever with things like Charlotte's Web, Where the Wild Things Are and seeing the word "ass" in James and the Giant Peach didn't make me gay.

FFS, I don't even remember the word "ass" being in J&GP.  I was a kid when I read it.  I was into the story.  I wasn't giggling about a word that I might get into trouble for if I uttered it.

Green Eggs & Ham has "homosexual seduction" in it?  Are farking kidding me?  I guess the last time I read that I was simply too farking young to pick up on that.  I also missed the Marxism.  My parents must have missed out on those themes as well because if they had even a whiff of either, I would never have been allowed near any Dr. Seuss book.

The scary thing though is if someone at our church had even suggested that Dr. Seuss promoted homosexuality or Marxism I would never have been allowed to see those books either.

Not that Dr. Seuss is exactly the height of literature, but it's great stuff when you're too young to read for yourself or just learning to.
 
2013-06-30 10:55:55 AM  
I prefer Robot Chicken's version of the giving tree.  When the giving tree gets tired of the kid's shiat he sends him to the other giving tree on the other side of the grove.

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2013-06-30 10:59:21 AM  
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

/Disagree

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2013-06-30 11:01:09 AM  
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2013-06-30 11:07:26 AM  

WizardofToast: Why: All public libraries in Chicago the book because of its "ungodly" influence "for depicting women in strong leadership roles." In 1957, the Detroit Public Library banned the book for having "no value for children of today."

We could ban books for having no value to kids? May be needed for the Twilight series.




At least the Bible is full of tales for children.

One of my favorites.

22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.

28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.

29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
Judges 19
 
2013-06-30 11:18:21 AM  

meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers


And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.
 
2013-06-30 11:19:44 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans


With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.
 
2013-06-30 11:33:33 AM  
I kind of expected to see most of these to come from Southern states, but then I remembered that we don't know how to read.

/read most of these as a child
//in Alabama
 
2013-06-30 11:35:58 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


No book makes me want to spit nails more than that piece if shiat.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:33 AM  

ongbok: There was a big hubbub in the town were I grew up on the 90's because a group of fundies wanted to remove this book from the grade school. Well they didn't succeed that day but more and more of them started moving in and farking with the school system. In 10 years the school system went from being one of the best in the country to one of the worst in the state.


jackasses. I have a cat named Matilda, after the namesake character in that book. It's a great book.
 
2013-06-30 11:36:40 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!


No book makes me want to spit nails more than that piece of shiat.
 
2013-06-30 11:37:30 AM  

orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.



So, you are being forced,too?
 
2013-06-30 11:40:16 AM  

orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans

With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.


They have multiple gods, which is a pretty big no-no in Islam. And Tash is more of a Baal/Shiva/Set kind of guy; he's not just a co-opted Aslan.

Maybe that whole "Tashlan" business could be read as Islam, though.
 
2013-06-30 11:42:17 AM  
Dictionary, huh?

It's just as well.... gives people ideas, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-06-30 11:56:12 AM  

Ilmarinen: Uncle Tractor: So; christianity, political correctness, and modern  feminism. Fark all three.

Yes, fark feminism. What has it ever done for us?


Modern feminism? (harsh language). Nothing good. You're thinking of old-school feminism; which was about equality, freedom, and self-determination. Feminism these days is about telling women that they are victims of the patriarchy (pictures of male chauvinists oppressing swedish women in public). All men are rapists, all women are victims, sex is rape, blah blah blah.
 
2013-06-30 12:02:21 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orbister: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: /the more I think about it the less I think the Calormenes are specifically Muslim; more of a pre-Islam flavor or mishmash stand-in for pagans

With their crescent emblem? Of course it may be that Lewis lumped all non-christian together as pagans.

They have multiple gods, which is a pretty big no-no in Islam. And Tash is more of a Baal/Shiva/Set kind of guy; he's not just a co-opted Aslan.

Maybe that whole "Tashlan" business could be read as Islam, though.




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2013-06-30 12:17:28 PM  

R.P.M.: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

i haven't red Rand in a long time, but wasn't the tree following her belief to live the purpose of a tree?
 
not defending the book.  it was my brothers favorite , but i never liked how it ended.  just saying that Rand would say the tree did what it should have.  i could be way wrong. yay discussion!



Hmm.  Seems to me Rand would see the boy/man as analogous to worthless freeloaders in society who just always take and take while the tree would be well meaning liberals who try to satisfy them to make themselves feel better.  Note that it is always the tree that is happy.  The boy/man never is.  Such is the nature of entitlements.
 
2013-06-30 12:21:47 PM  

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Good thing you brought brought that up. Only the people who read that book are racists.
 
2013-06-30 12:22:27 PM  
Anyone else have pancakes at Sambo's?
 
2013-06-30 12:24:38 PM  

eas81: 6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

/Disagree

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Lib America may laugh at the eradication of the Jews now, but it was the joke you brought on.
 
2013-06-30 12:31:31 PM  
I read Green Eggs and Ham to my youngest brother no less than 50 time ( absolutely no exaggeration ).  My brother is 26 now, so admittedly, I haven't read it in many years.
Still, I am quite sure I read nothing to the effect of 'Will you blow me in the car, will you blow me in the bar. Will you blow me Sam I am, will you blow me I am Man.'
 
2013-06-30 12:39:37 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: So, you are being forced,too?


I think it's ridiculous that the original name of "Ten Little Ni-bongs" can't be written, in context, without causing a bunch of cheerful beer-swilling farkers to faint like a Victorian woman spotting an uncovered piano leg.
 
2013-06-30 12:59:25 PM  
Not that they should be banned but Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz weren't meant for kids. Oz being political satire. The wizard being Willam Jennings Bryan. With the silver slippers, gold brick road all being metaphors.
 
2013-06-30 01:43:05 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Not that they should be banned but Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz weren't meant for kids. Oz being political satire. The wizard being Willam Jennings Bryan. With the silver slippers, gold brick road all being metaphors.


Except Alice's Adventures in Wonderland started as an improvised story for some young girls, and was written down at the request of Alice Liddell who was 10.
 
2013-06-30 01:57:10 PM  
The Forestry Department sounds like it should harvest the enormous stick up their ass.
 
2013-06-30 02:00:51 PM  

ruta: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:

That's basically where it came from.  Here's the "explanation" I found through some searching:

"Green Eggs and Ham, meanwhile, is a thinly disguised account of homosexual seduction. In this kiddie favorite, "Sam I Am" (that is, "Same As I Am") tries to persuade the narrator to "eat" green eggs and ham. Anyone who has traveled in the Spanish-speaking world knows what "eggs" are. The ham, of course, is a long, phallic sausage, perfect for "porking" someone. The protagonist repeatedly denies any interest in the offer, but Sam persists, proposing that he join him in any number of locations, positions, and kinky arrangements. ("Would you, could you, on a boat? Would you, could you, with a goat?") Finally, our hero gives in, just once-and discovers that he enjoys fellating breakfast after all. Sam has made a convert, and the legion of God-Fearing Heterosexuals is diminished by one.
  Actually, The Cat in the Hat leaves an odd aftertaste, with its closing admonition not to tell your parents what you've been up to. Read immediately after Green Eggs and Ham, the moral is clear."

If you didn't write that yourself and it wasn't written by someone else ironically, I'd say that person is so deep in the wardrobe that he's in a ham-handed Christian allegory that is not banned for its occult themes.

/Sexy, dirty, forbidden, thrusting, porking ham-hands.


I'm pretty sure it was intentionally written ironically. The source I got it from is here:  http://reason.com/archives/2002/09/26/ban-this-book
 
2013-06-30 02:07:42 PM  

orbister: The whole series is spectacularly racist, sexist and snobbish: the rights of white humans to rule over other sentient, talking creatures; the inferior roles of women and so on. Pushing Christianity is the least of Narnia's faults.


This.
 
2013-06-30 02:19:30 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I bet FARKers could write a children's book that could get banned in every state country.


FTFA
 
2013-06-30 02:31:31 PM  
Deeply surprised to not see any Judy Blume books on the list.  Or Paul Zindel, for that matter.  His books were great but somewhat depressing.
 
2013-06-30 02:41:16 PM  

orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.


It's Drew's website, not ours.  Don't like it?  Start your own.
 
2013-06-30 03:13:08 PM  
They should ban people who love this book.
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2013-06-30 03:26:25 PM  

muck4doo: Anyone else have pancakes at Sambo's?


I remember going to Little Black Sambo's once as a kid while on vacation. It was a Denny's type place. They had a story book about an African kid named Sambo that detailed the kid outsmarting a tiger to avoid being eaten. At the time I didn't see it portraying blacks in a bad light, but I was about 8 at the time and it had not yet occurred to me that people would put effort into making other people look bad based on race.
 
2013-06-30 03:31:35 PM  

LarryDan43: They should ban people who love this book.
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Yeah, that one was really creepy.
 
2013-06-30 03:43:50 PM  
This book has got to go:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Fish
 
2013-06-30 03:46:33 PM  
Um, aren't there talking animal in that great work of fiction, the Bible? Then how can you ban another book on that basis?
 
2013-06-30 04:26:39 PM  

TheBlackFlag: How much do you want to bet that most of the books banned were never fully read by the closed minded bureaucrats and the religious that banned them?


BINGO!

I remember the book banning spasms of the 1980s by the fundamentalcases. These were also the same nutter butters who spun records backward, including the theme from Mr. Ed, claiming that spun backwards, the theme said "I sung a song for Satan"
 
2013-06-30 04:46:47 PM  
I love these lists.  Lets me get a good idea of what to read to my children (assuming I ever have any).

I remember the county librarian chiding my mother for letting me read IT at age twelve.  My mom shrugged and said "He's already read your young adult section, if he can't handle it, he'll stop reading it."
 
2013-06-30 06:56:42 PM  
Zarquon's Flat Tire:  I remember the county librarian chiding my mother for letting me read IT at age twelve.  My mom shrugged and said "He's already read your young adult section, if he can't handle it, he'll stop reading it."

I did a book report on The Exorcist when I was in sixth grade. My parents laughed when they found out.
 
2013-06-30 07:22:54 PM  
6. Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl by Anne FrankWhen: 2010
Why: Additionally, the book was previously banned by several schools in the United States because it was "too depressing."

Ban this then.

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2013-06-30 07:23:06 PM  

meanmutton: orbister: meanmutton: Because I choose not to use a word that would cause distress to my (biracial) nieces and some of my friends and co-workers

And the word is choose. Drew doesn't let us choose.

It's Drew's website, not ours.


Of course, although the healthy living he makes from this website does depend on the rest of us as unpaid content creators.

That said, I still find it simultaneously funny and depressing that a group of people who are generally cheerfully irreverent are so hung up on one word. Maybe it's a transatlantic thing.
 
2013-06-30 07:28:30 PM  

NotARocketScientist: At the time I didn't see it portraying blacks in a bad light


It doesn't. It's an entirely harmless story about a bright little boy. It's the subsequent use of "Sambo" as a term of abuse (Is it bad in the US? It's about level-pegging with "ni-bong" in the UK) which has caused the problems. Change the name and the story is harmless and charming.

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2013-06-30 08:01:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?


Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

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2013-06-30 08:16:54 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

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2013-06-30 08:24:51 PM  
I haven't read every book on the list, but based on the ones I have read, this reinforces my belief that banned book lists make excellent reading lists.
 
2013-06-30 08:27:00 PM  

TV's Vinnie: 100 Watt Walrus: TV's Vinnie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'm not a fan of banning books. But the Giving Tree needs to be burned and all records of its existence wiped off the face of the planet!

Let me guess. You have an Ayn Rand RealDoll in your closet, don't you?

Curiously, I just saw this in last week's Entertainment Weekly, and it made me curious: Is it just conservatives who try to ban books? I don't know of any incidents of liberals trying to ban books.

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To be fair, it's specifically christians who laughably cry oppression, not Randian socio-political dittoheads.
 
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