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2013-06-30 12:38:17 AM  
13 votes:
This article makes no sense at all.

The article says:

1. Two years ago, 90% of Lego users were boys
2. Construction had never worked for girls, it took Lego 4 years to figure out how to market to the girls market
3. Lego Friends, marketed to girls, is now one of the biggest successes in Lego History
4. There is a reason for this, boys play "on the outside" of their Lego construction, girls play on the inside.

So all of this should be a big hit right? A complete win.

It's good for the girls who get a toy they like, it's good for the investors and the employees, it's even good for the boys that have girls introduced more into the construction world.

So how does it end, after writing that big wall of text, Neda Ullaby says, But Why O Why Can't Lego Market Toys for Boys AND Girls Together!?

It's like she didn't even read her own farking article.
2013-06-29 11:47:06 PM  
9 votes:
Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.
2013-06-30 01:35:43 AM  
6 votes:
I have a seven-year-old boy and four-year-old girl (as well as a one-year-old girl, but her main interest in Legos right now is seeing how many she can try and put in her mouth). The seven-year-old is crazy about regular Legos and we have roughly 500 million of them jumbled together in a box, out of which he builds all sorts of weird and neat things. My four-year-old was always encouraged to play with them and showed mild interest, but when she received a set of pink cupcake duplos for her birthday from a friend -- she went nuts. She absolutely loved it. Believe me, it was not about foisting the toy on her and telling her she was supposed to like the pink cupcake duplos, you couldn't keep her away from them for a while. Neat thing is, her brother started getting interested and for a while they were running a pretend bakery -- of course, he tended to make "cupcake monsters" three feet high and his sister preferred nifty little decorated things, but they both had fun. And now that she's had some practice with the pink duplos, she's getting better at handling the regular kind, though she still tries to make houses instead of monsters. I fully anticipate that within a short time she'll be asking for one of those more complex pink house sets or something for her birthday, and I'm fine with that. And if it turns out she wants the hobbit hole or the space station, we'll get that. But it's a fact that what really got her interested was that pink cupcake set -- I can hardly blame the manufacturers of Legos for catering the products that kids want instead of the products their easily-outraged parents think they should want.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the outraged parents would be *thrilled* if a boy picked out the pink house or cupcake set.
2013-06-30 01:13:33 AM  
6 votes:
Anything that entices kids to use their hands, minds and imaginations is alright in my book

/try not to make too much out of the minutiae
2013-06-30 01:32:22 AM  
5 votes:
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I remember during the senior year of high school, my buddies came over for D&D and our session was derailed and cancelled when one of my friends found the giant storage bin of Lego.

/the ksssh of legos being stirred is magical
2013-06-30 01:27:36 AM  
5 votes:
My daughter asked for " girl Lego" for Christmas. When I took her to the toy store and told her she could get anything she wanted with her birthday money, she chose "Lego Friends". How dreary it must be to spend your life looking for conspiracy and manufactured outrage.
2013-06-30 03:26:04 AM  
4 votes:
whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

This story is just one of literally piles and piles of evidence showing that gender roles are to some extent inherent. I know that's inconvenient but it's true.
2013-06-30 01:55:48 AM  
4 votes:
I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
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Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
2013-06-30 01:40:04 AM  
4 votes:

RoyBatty: This article makes no sense at all.

The article says:

1. Two years ago, 90% of Lego users were boys
2. Construction had never worked for girls, it took Lego 4 years to figure out how to market to the girls market
3. Lego Friends, marketed to girls, is now one of the biggest successes in Lego History
4. There is a reason for this, boys play "on the outside" of their Lego construction, girls play on the inside.

So all of this should be a big hit right? A complete win.

It's good for the girls who get a toy they like, it's good for the investors and the employees, it's even good for the boys that have girls introduced more into the construction world.

So how does it end, after writing that big wall of text, Neda Ullaby says, But Why O Why Can't Lego Market Toys for Boys AND Girls Together!?

It's like she didn't even read her own farking article.


...yeah, I didn't really follow the author's logic there, either.

Boys and girls play differently. This should be shocking to absolutely no one.
2013-06-30 02:46:50 AM  
3 votes:
From everything I've seen, girls and boys definitely tend on average, across a spectrum, to prefer somewhat different toys and colors and topics and styles of play.

But in many cases media and parents and peers enforce and reinforce these tendencies along hard lines so that some toys and play are deemed to be exclusively for girls and others exclusively for boys.

In reality there's a lot of variation and overlap in kids' natural inclinations. And for kids who aren't aligned with the average tendencies, that hardline "enforcement" can make them feel like shiat, like there's something wrong with them, especially if they're not lucky enough to have someone who will back them up.

To the extent that producing special sets caters to little girls' interests and gives them a chance to play Lego in the first place without cretins giving them shiat about it, that's awesome.

To the extent that it ghettoizes girls' Lego play and cuts them out of playing with a lot of Lego's coolest products by making those "Lego for boys" (and makes it more difficult for boys to play with certain things by pinkifying them) that's bullshiat.
2013-06-30 02:09:01 AM  
3 votes:

corq: the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own

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That's worth getting by itself just for the magic Lego separator.

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2013-06-30 02:07:52 AM  
3 votes:

WhippingBoy: Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?


It suggests that there may be differences between males and females. That's literally it. Never has a society been more obsessed with "diversity" in theory, yet so afraid of it in practice.
2013-06-30 01:47:46 AM  
3 votes:
Dad: What do you want for Christmas, honey?
Daughter: I want a dolly
Dad: Oh-Ho, we can't have that. People will think I'm an unenlightened parent. And we both know how important other people's opinions are. How about an air wrench instead? Gotta bust those gender roles you know!
Daughter: That sucks. I want a dolly.
Dad: Now don't be difficult. You know I have to be able to brag to complete strangers about what a great person I am because I got you something that broke the chains of oppression
Daughter: I WANT A DOLLY!!!
Dad: C'mon now. Christmas isn't about you...
2013-06-30 01:00:48 AM  
3 votes:
Well, it's a two way street.  You could also let your boys play with these legos too.
2013-06-30 10:16:16 PM  
2 votes:
Arthur Jumbles:
Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

How does a little baby girl know she's the same gender as her mother?
Does her mother show her her vagina at some point and then point out that the dad hasn't got one?
Based on physical appearance alone any child would assume the actions and characteristics of the father because the mother of any child usually has noticeable breasts and babies and their dads don't have them(usually).
Also babies have very limited Proprioception so they don't know what they look like for the most part anyway.
2013-06-30 03:00:04 PM  
2 votes:
men and women have different proportions of the color and movement detecting cells behind the retina called P and T cells. this accounts for many different preferences in play. colors are literally more stimulating to a girl than to a boy. movement is literally more stimulating to a boy. innate genetic differences are the reason.
source: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Gender-Matters-Teachers-Differences/dp/0767 9 16255

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2013-06-30 03:11:00 AM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


Wrong. Males and females produce different concentrations of different chemicals internally.
2013-06-30 03:03:04 AM  
2 votes:
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2013-06-30 02:09:19 AM  
2 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.


I've got twins, a boy and a girl -- pretty much a natural experiment in nature vs. nurture, since my wife and I have always been very careful to give both children all the same opportunities, privileges, routines, etc.

Yeah -- the behavioral sex differences become apparent quite early. We noticed them even before the age of 1. Now, at the age of 2, the differences are pretty stark. The boy mostly just wants to see how far he can hurl things, preferably of the breakable variety, while the girl likes to shadow me around the house and imitate whatever I'm doing.

Anyone that thinks gender is fully reducible to socialization must not have ever met an actual human child.
2013-06-30 02:07:19 AM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.



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I can assure you my brother and me are very different.
2013-06-30 01:48:44 AM  
2 votes:
On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.

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There's nothing inherently wrong with "girl toys," "boy toys," and "gender neutral" toys. More to the point, I don't think they're going away anytime soon. Assuming their parents let them, kids will gravitate to what they enjoy, no matter what gender label the toy or activity is labeled with.

As a kid, I played with gender neutral blocks (e.g., Legos, Duplos, Lincoln Logs), "girl" toys like My Little Ponies and Popples, and "boy" toys TMNT action figures, and plastic dinosaurs. Never did like dolls, though. On the other hand, my brother didn't play with "girl" toys. Just not his thing, I guess. Our parents have never been overly concerned by "traditional" gender roles, and I guess they passed that on?

Um, in any case, the "girl" Legos won't prevent parents from buying the "boy" or "neutral" Legos if they want to. And if the do, either the kid or the parent is probably heading toward the pink toy aisle already. Right?

No biggie.

/Off to find my old, plastic, duck-billed dinosaur.
//She's orange.
///Not pink.
2013-06-30 01:43:22 AM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.

You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.


I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.
2013-06-30 01:30:19 AM  
2 votes:

Makh: Well, it's a two way street.  You could also let your boys play with these legos too.


I quite like the workshop and cafe pictured in the article. Nice details. The school sounds interesting as well. The pastel colours are a bit naff of course, but I could live with them.
2013-06-30 01:28:06 AM  
2 votes:
Legos are nothing like I remember.  I remember having a bucket of bricks that one day was a castle, the next day was a staged moon landing, the next day was a monster truck.
2013-06-30 01:27:29 AM  
2 votes:
Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?
2013-06-30 01:27:19 AM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Anything that entices kids to use their hands, minds and imaginations is alright in my book

/try not to make too much out of the minutiae


That's not really what these ones are, though. It's more of a Barbie/Polly Pocket thing.
Which is fine. For god's sake just let the little girls play with what they want to play with, even if it is as demeaning and dehumanizing as not being the exact thing a little boy wants to play with.
2013-06-30 05:36:25 PM  
1 votes:
Welcome to reality: boys and girls are different.  Some folks need to just accept that.  The wackier feminists can pretend all they want that it isn't so, but it is.
2013-06-30 04:53:47 PM  
1 votes:

GF named my left testicle thundercles: sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.


Yes, they will. I've heard plenty of parents in a discussion of gender norms and boys versus girls talk about how their kids behave. How their girl naturally likes pink so much, even before she could learn that it is a "girly" color. Which is interesting since the idea of pink for girls is a very recent concept. Quite simply parents will often underestimate how much an infant can observe and learn about their surroundings long before they can speak.

And people aren't generally arguing that boys and girls are literally 100% exactly the same. It's a bit more complicated. Which differences are "hard coded", so to speak, and which are learned? On top of that there are issues about how prevalent or absolute some of those difference are (for example, physically, the average height for men is taller than the average height for women. But there are plenty of women that are taller than men and men that are shorter than women).
2013-06-30 04:35:55 PM  
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

[citation needed]

Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality: Contemporary psychological perspectives. London: Taylor & Francis.

Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe. For one thing.... babies soak up everything they observe and make their own decisions about what's appropriate behavior. Thing is, once they make a decision about what's appropriate they are stubborn little shiats and lock into that behavior. This appears to be why early abuse and exposure to violence is so damaging to a child, once they classify it as "appropriate" behavior its almost impossible to get them to change.


sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.
2013-06-30 03:41:23 PM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Arthur Jumbles: Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe.

Raising babies in a lab is "normal"?


Hey man, watching 120 babies in a lab totally disproves thousands of years of parental experience. It's science.
2013-06-30 02:34:57 PM  
1 votes:

ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

This story is just one of literally piles and piles of evidence showing that gender roles are to some extent inherent. I know that's inconvenient but it's true.


Yeah there is definitely a nature aspect to gender roles its not all human culture. If you put a bunch of GI joes and Barbies in with a group of Gorillas or Chimps the males play with GI joes and the females play with Barbies even though they are not humans or exposed to human culture.
2013-06-30 01:18:51 PM  
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Ilmarinen: /it is a 2 way street, as proved by the existence of transsexuals, and the matter is far from sorted out, or understood at all

Ummmm..... transexuals prove that gender roles are societal, otherwise boys would always be boys and girls would always be girls. There's no "Girls like pink gene" or "Boy prefer guns genotype". Unfortunately, our society is so locked into gender roles that when someone tries to breech the divide they are at best labeled a nancy-boy or a tom-girl and at worst are classified by psychologists as transexuals or transgendered people  and given drugs, hormones and surgery to make sure their bodies conform to society' expectations for their behavior.


Alternately, most transexuals prove our tolerance for narcissism and confusion.
2013-06-30 11:07:37 AM  
1 votes:
I loved Legos as a kid, but I was particularly obsessed with the sets with horses (they usually came with Native Americans?). As a little girls, I loved all things that involved horses. Plus my favorite color was purple, a pretty girl color. I don't really understand why it is so hard to just let your kids have the toys they like instead of trying to analyze their decisions and try to force them into a toy that you think is going to make them a more successful adult.
2013-06-30 10:27:33 AM  
1 votes:
Nobody was stopping girls from playing with regular Lego Sets. Nobody. Hell, in my toys-r-us, they were in the aisle directly next to the Barbies. Girls saw them, and said 'fark that shiat' and walked passed. Don't blame the product.

In the bigger picture, why the fark can't some special interest groups just admit that men and women truly do have differences? This 'equality on all fronts' PC crap is the reason useless articles like this get written. And its usually other women who get pissy-pants when another women chooses to do something seen as 'traditional' for women to do, like play with pink toys and not a big red fire engine.
2013-06-30 09:04:49 AM  
1 votes:

DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.


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We did too.  Every Lincoln Log session ended with blowing up our structures with a lever/fulcrum made from a small log and a flat green roof slab. We'd place one end under whatever we built, count down to the explosion and smack down on the other end. Now that I remember it, some structures were robust enough that we'd end up breaking the lever.
2013-06-30 08:52:19 AM  
1 votes:
Apparently, NPR thinks females are incapable of making their own decisions.  They feel they need to micro-analyse every little thing they do or say and spendhuge chunks of their resources trying to force women to:

Go into job markets men predominantly like even though women are pouring into plenty of fields they like (like medicine).

Do things men predominantly do like sports and 'normal' colored toys. (Why?)

Meanwhile they never seem to care a single bit about anything affecting men (like the rapid decline of men going to college).

I think this kind of sexism (and the HUGE scope of it on their stations) makes them seem like a photo negative of Rush Limburger.
2013-06-30 08:13:30 AM  
1 votes:
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I'll just leave this here
2013-06-30 07:50:37 AM  
1 votes:

Big Merl: Legos are nothing like I remember.  I remember having a bucket of bricks that one day was a castle, the next day was a staged moon landing, the next day was a monster truck.


Pretty much. Mine lived in a plastic bucket that once held industrial mayonnaise or something similar. The deal was to empty the bucket on the floor and just let stuff happen. Repeat until all designed out. Then go outside, run around, inspect dirt, climb trees. Damn, I sound about a hundred. But that was childhood until about 1980.

These days, kid fun seems...programmed.

I've met more than one adult who has held on to their Lego. Cold, dead hands, etc.
2013-06-30 07:31:40 AM  
1 votes:

Alleexm: Lego isn't assigning specific genders to any of their products. It just happens to be that girls like playing with the "Leg Friends" more.

My sister has a 4-year old daughter and a 2-year old son. She grew up as a tomboy, and did everything she could to discourage her daughter from becoming the stereotypical pink-loving princessy little girl. Nevertheless, my niece's favorite color is purple, and she loves playing with dolls and care-bears. My nephew's first word was "vroom," and will drop everything he's doing and gape at the sight of a tractor.

That's not to say that they don't have games that they both like to play, or occasionally switch toys around. But they do have different interests, and it's definitely not because of the way they were raised. It probably has something to do with instinct.


Actually, it has a LOT to do with how you are raised. Just not how you would think. Look up the documentary Hjernevask, it's called the "Norwegian paradox". As society tends to get more liberal, the gender differences get more pronounced.

Norway, which does all the 'encourage boys to play dolls and girls to play with cars' raising, only has a 20% ratio of girls enrolled in science and engineering. Which might sound typical until you look at ultra conservative societies, Iran has about 70% girls enrolled in Stem, 60% in Pakistan, and at least 50% in most Asian countries. Typically conservative societies have mechanisms that 'force the outcome', is strict parents or teachers. But left to their own devices, the gender differences become more pronounced.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what most farmers would expect.
2013-06-30 06:57:24 AM  
1 votes:
Lego isn't assigning specific genders to any of their products. It just happens to be that girls like playing with the "Leg Friends" more.

My sister has a 4-year old daughter and a 2-year old son. She grew up as a tomboy, and did everything she could to discourage her daughter from becoming the stereotypical pink-loving princessy little girl. Nevertheless, my niece's favorite color is purple, and she loves playing with dolls and care-bears. My nephew's first word was "vroom," and will drop everything he's doing and gape at the sight of a tractor.

That's not to say that they don't have games that they both like to play, or occasionally switch toys around. But they do have different interests, and it's definitely not because of the way they were raised. It probably has something to do with instinct.
2013-06-30 06:37:10 AM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: Dad: What do you want for Christmas, honey?
Daughter: I want a dolly
Dad: Oh-Ho, we can't have that. People will think I'm an unenlightened parent. And we both know how important other people's opinions are. How about an air wrench instead? Gotta bust those gender roles you know!
Daughter: That sucks. I want a dolly.
Dad: Now don't be difficult. You know I have to be able to brag to complete strangers about what a great person I am because I got you something that broke the chains of oppression
Daughter: I WANT A DOLLY!!!
Dad: C'mon now. Christmas isn't about you...


Yeah, what do you do with a girl who really wants to be a girl? My niece grew up in a house full of icky boys (she has four brothers). If ANYONE was going to not be a girly-girl, it should have been Ashlyn. So guess who latched onto Disney princesses and pink and My Little Kitty and everything sugar and spice? Yep, right out of the womb, if it was pink, it was hers.

And her little brother, who by rights should have been a fairy since Ashlyn raised him from a pup? Princesses and their billowy skirts were "wockets" as far as he was concerned. Nobody taught him that: Sleeping Beauty was blasting off from the launch pad all by herself.

They're just different. Sorry folks.
2013-06-30 06:16:54 AM  
1 votes:

doglover:
What in the sam hill....

Aha, that must be where they got the farked-up plot for that Law & Order SVU episode.


pvrhye: Cyno01: pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.

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Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.


Lego includes quite a few weapons, but when your Lego guys need a serious arsenal try Combat Brick.


octopied: Uh, if you don't like it, buy your daughter/niece the ones aimed at boys.

Obviously some kids like the different colored ones and they are selling. I'm failing to be outraged here.


This is the potential problem that I alluded to earlier. They make a few pink ones and market them to girls and now the others can be seen as "aimed at boys" by default. Making it easier/more attractive for a girl to play with Lego is great, but it's counterbalanced by the sense that they've built her a little pink ghetto and if she ventures outside its walls she's playing with "boys' toys," which is same problem she had in the first place except now it is officially reinforced.

/not outraged but it isn't an unmitigated positive either
2013-06-30 05:37:30 AM  
1 votes:

JPINFV: ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

...and then committed suicide. It's pretty much -the- perfect argument that gender is not a choice.

Dr. Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements," with David playing the bottom role.[4] David Reimer painfully recalled that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks".[4] Dr. Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top.[4] Dr. Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections."[4] On at "least one occasion," Dr. Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities.[4] Dr. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity."[4]


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What in the sam hill....
2013-06-30 05:12:18 AM  
1 votes:
I hope it's already been said (thread is tl;dr), but they can have sets that feature female characters, particular interests, etc. without the damned farkin' pink bullshiat everywhere!
2013-06-30 04:41:07 AM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: the behavioral sex differences become apparent quite early. We noticed them even before the age of 1. Now, at the age of 2, the differences are pretty stark. The boy mostly just wants to see how far he can hurl things, preferably of the breakable variety, while the girl likes to shadow me around the house and imitate whatever I'm doing.

Anyone that thinks gender is fully reducible to socialization must not have ever met an actual human child.


Your description of your boy and girl describes my sister and me. She wanted pink fluffy stuff, pageants, typical girl stuff. I was making toy guns out of sticks, breaking bricks for the fun of it,typical boy stuff. Our parents didn't treat us differently - we just were different. The thing is, I'm trans. I was born female. Socialized female. I lived that way until I was about 35, and finally figured out what the problem was.

So what does that mean? I sure don't have any answers. I tend to think it means that some gender differences really are inherent, if having a girl's name, social identity, and body still can't suppress the traits a boy's (or boy-like) brain produces, but I could easily see it meaning the exact opposite. I wouldn't agree that it meant that gender roles are so strong in society that a person has to switch genders to switch roles, but I could understand why someone might make an argument like that. It's a neat thing to think about, anyway.

I'd like to see more research done on brain differences between genders that includes trans people. What already has been done is pretty damned interesting as far as which brain characteristics that tend to vary between male and female brains are female-like in MTFs (male to female) and male-like in FTMs (female to male), and which ones are already so before the administration of any hormones. I think we might find some of the answers to these questions in those structural differences, if we ask the questions properly and research with the goal of understanding the genders of brains, and not with the narrower goal of asking why transgendered people are transgendered.
2013-06-30 04:28:27 AM  
1 votes:
Meh.  I always preferred Construx.

/too bad I was apparently in the minority
2013-06-30 03:25:23 AM  
1 votes:

Korzine: That's a special Lando Calrissian figure though. It's not standard fare by any means.


pvrhye: Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.


Nah, lego has had guns for a looooong time. The old pirate sets came with flintlocks and muskets.

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Then they had wild west sets that had long guns and revolvers.

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Now theres even a tommy gun thats used by henchmen in batman sets.
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But yeah, somewhere along the line they stopped using megaphones and video cameras for guns in star wars sets.

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BUT!

Lando Calrisian, just like how he was the only black man in the Star Wars universe, was also the first black minifig. But of course this one is more badass.

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Since the introduction of the Lando and subsequent minifigs of a non ambiguous ethnicity, for licensed sets white characters have been white, not yellow, while for things like Lego town and their own lines, the minifigs are all still the raceless yellow.

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2013-06-30 03:10:39 AM  
1 votes:

Korzine: corq: the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own.

That's worth getting by itself just for the magic Lego separator.


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These are standard in some of the bigger sets too now.  Also available individually from the LEGO site.
2013-06-30 03:02:16 AM  
1 votes:

pvrhye: and no guns


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You sure about that?
2013-06-30 02:59:58 AM  
1 votes:

pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.


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2013-06-30 02:49:42 AM  
1 votes:
Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.
2013-06-30 02:40:35 AM  
1 votes:
Theyre coming out with a line of pink nerf guns pretty soon.

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Theyre all brand new blasters too, not just pink recolors.

After the Rebelle line launches theyre releasing a ZombieStrike like which are the new girl blasters recolored for boys.

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2013-06-30 02:19:40 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe girls don't "need" them, maybe they want them. Maybe girls often like different things from boys.

And if they don't want them, they won't buy them, and they'll stop making them.

/them
2013-06-30 02:14:19 AM  
1 votes:

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
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Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]


In 10 years you won't understand and they'll be throwing things at you and proclaiming "worst dad ever" on their microscreens or whatever the hell but at the moment I feel you're the coolest dad ever.
2013-06-30 02:09:02 AM  
1 votes:

47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.




I can assure you my brother and me are very different.


Joke: ---------------------------------

Your head: ----------------------------
2013-06-30 02:05:19 AM  
1 votes:
Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?
2013-06-30 02:04:14 AM  
1 votes:
I grew up in a small town with a craptastic KMart that didn't sell actual legos, I think Mom tried to get me Bristle Blocks or some crap, feeling guilty because she knew I'd know the difference.

Years later, after many false starts and awful dead end jobs - BY HIS NOODLY GRACES, I HAVE MY ENGINEERING DEGREE.

Moms/Dads: If your daughter or son has a fascination with legos, don't settle. Buy the real deal and get her/him the best you can afford. Also: wear hard-soled shoes anywhere near their play areas.

http://www.mit.edu/~rseater/legolinks.html

You can start with the 'custom' sets at walmart but the real stuff happens with the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own. That's where the magic happens; a kid's self discovery, that they may make something physical and real, from their own imagination. (Adults may or may never understand or appreciate those creations, but that's not the actual magic.)

/rant over
//Yes I own Legos as an adult
2013-06-30 02:03:59 AM  
1 votes:
"But Pochatila also was dismayed by how many of the regular sets revolve around male superheroes. "You don't see a Wonder Woman set," she points out. "

Uh...
bricker.ru

Sure its only one set, but thats one more set than either Flash or Green Lantern are in.
2013-06-30 02:00:54 AM  
1 votes:
Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?

Subby nailed it.

/so many parents are still staunchly attached to gender roles.
2013-06-30 01:59:43 AM  
1 votes:

Canton: On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.


The "girl" minifigs are an  UNHOLY ABOMINATION, compatible with nothing, barely posable and utterly useless.

Why Lego, Inc couldn't-I don't know-use the existing girl minifigs in their "Friends" line is beyond me.
2013-06-30 01:54:01 AM  
1 votes:

worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.


This.

Once upon a time, this is how Legos were marketed:


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And then the mouth-breathing parents were scared that Suzy might shave all her hair, start wearing plaid and "marry" a gal named Chastity.

Also, that since the boy, Ben, was playing with Suzy, it was a sure sign that as soon as he hit puberty, he was going shave all all his (chest and leg) hair, only to get oiled up and passed around a bathhouse like a second-hand sock.

... and thus, were gender-stereotype toys created.
2013-06-30 01:53:41 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.

What's sad is I have no idea if this is satire or not


Yeah, I'm wondering that myself.
2013-06-30 01:51:51 AM  
1 votes:

RoyBatty: I used to laugh and laugh at the fat chick chasing that poor old pirate around.


That's the best part of the ride.

Also Mecha-Pinkie-Zord will destroy all gender expectations.

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2013-06-30 01:48:27 AM  
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: OgreMagi: WhippingBoy: Sigh. "Rape Culture".

God-is-a-Taco:  rape culture

Pillage is not rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pillage?s=t

So dictionary.com is truthworthy because it has a dic?


It must be circumcised because you cut off the end.
2013-06-30 01:43:15 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?


It's very rarely that I agree with you, but when I do, we're right ;)
2013-06-30 01:42:39 AM  
1 votes:
Well, it is a good thing that girls don't have to deal with sweaty, gross things like Lego City. They have crooks, crooked cops and firefight...


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Oh Fark...

// Not to worry; the girls get their revenge
// Because Lego City doesn't have any
// Food.. except for one chicken leg.
// The denizens of LC end up eating each other.
2013-06-30 01:40:44 AM  
1 votes:
randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.
2013-06-30 01:40:39 AM  
1 votes:
2013-06-30 01:37:23 AM  
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.


You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.
2013-06-30 01:37:03 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.


rape culture
2013-06-30 01:34:21 AM  
1 votes:
Gay legos. Next they'll be in plaid.
2013-06-30 01:30:31 AM  
1 votes:
This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.
2013-06-30 01:29:09 AM  
1 votes:

TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.


Just wait til you find out how real estate "works".
2013-06-30 12:42:32 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe because they put some sets in front of them and they wanted to play with those sets?

That could be BS though. When I was a kid we happened to grow up near the main Milton Bradley facility. Mom's friends worked there, and I was occasionally invited to these sessions. You check out the new toy prototypes and get to choose something to take home for the effort? Hell yeah!

Except it didn't work out as expected all the time. The last time I went they had a bunch of cool foam gliders that I really took to, and some other things. Then there was this electronic circle thing with 4 buttons (let's call it Simon). I always loved tech and electronics, but this gizmo seemed like the dumbest toy at the fair. Others agreed. Eventually the gliders and things were off limits. You have to play with the round button toy for what seemed like hours if you want to get out with your freebie.

I was always dumbfounded that the thing hit the market and had commercial success.

// Later in college got a temp job at the Lego facility as a material handler. Moving huge bins of bricks around the warehouse, absolutely killed me not to be able to just sit on the floor and make something huge.
2013-06-29 11:52:49 PM  
1 votes:
Two years ago, in 2011,90 percent of Lego's consumers were boys.

Consumers? Were they eating them or something?

"When boys build a construction set, they'll build a castle, let's say, and they'll play with the finished product on the outside.

When girls build construction sets, they tend to play on the inside."


That reminded me of an old Dennis Miller line from back before he caught the derp.

"Your vagina goes inward, you introspect. Our penises stick outward, we want to knock things over with it."
2013-06-29 11:46:23 PM  
1 votes:
My 7 yr old has several of the friends series kits.... Which she now makes into wonderful new things the old non kit pieces I had, can't do... And most of the pieces are not pink or purple.  Just sayin'.
2013-06-29 11:19:28 PM  
1 votes:
My daughter who is 11 doesn't like the girly ones. She decided on her own it was blatant marketing crap.
 
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