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2013-06-29 11:19:28 PM  
My daughter who is 11 doesn't like the girly ones. She decided on her own it was blatant marketing crap.
 
2013-06-29 11:28:13 PM  
My brothers and I had regular Lego sets way back when, mainly because that was all they sold.
 
2013-06-29 11:46:23 PM  
My 7 yr old has several of the friends series kits.... Which she now makes into wonderful new things the old non kit pieces I had, can't do... And most of the pieces are not pink or purple.  Just sayin'.
 
2013-06-29 11:47:06 PM  
Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.
 
2013-06-29 11:52:49 PM  
Two years ago, in 2011,90 percent of Lego's consumers were boys.

Consumers? Were they eating them or something?

"When boys build a construction set, they'll build a castle, let's say, and they'll play with the finished product on the outside.

When girls build construction sets, they tend to play on the inside."


That reminded me of an old Dennis Miller line from back before he caught the derp.

"Your vagina goes inward, you introspect. Our penises stick outward, we want to knock things over with it."
 
2013-06-30 12:29:47 AM  
I see the pink sets everywhere, and I have a hard time finding the non-girly sets. I suspect this is because girls who like LEGOs don't buy into the pink bullshiat, so that's all that's left in stock.
 
2013-06-30 12:38:17 AM  
This article makes no sense at all.

The article says:

1. Two years ago, 90% of Lego users were boys
2. Construction had never worked for girls, it took Lego 4 years to figure out how to market to the girls market
3. Lego Friends, marketed to girls, is now one of the biggest successes in Lego History
4. There is a reason for this, boys play "on the outside" of their Lego construction, girls play on the inside.

So all of this should be a big hit right? A complete win.

It's good for the girls who get a toy they like, it's good for the investors and the employees, it's even good for the boys that have girls introduced more into the construction world.

So how does it end, after writing that big wall of text, Neda Ullaby says, But Why O Why Can't Lego Market Toys for Boys AND Girls Together!?

It's like she didn't even read her own farking article.
 
2013-06-30 12:40:51 AM  
You pick out the box of Legos because it has a picture of what the kid wants to build on the front. Then they build whatever out of it.

/got my kid the "Forest Ranger Police Station"
//It's mega awesome, I can't wait to open it.
 
2013-06-30 12:42:32 AM  
Maybe because they put some sets in front of them and they wanted to play with those sets?

That could be BS though. When I was a kid we happened to grow up near the main Milton Bradley facility. Mom's friends worked there, and I was occasionally invited to these sessions. You check out the new toy prototypes and get to choose something to take home for the effort? Hell yeah!

Except it didn't work out as expected all the time. The last time I went they had a bunch of cool foam gliders that I really took to, and some other things. Then there was this electronic circle thing with 4 buttons (let's call it Simon). I always loved tech and electronics, but this gizmo seemed like the dumbest toy at the fair. Others agreed. Eventually the gliders and things were off limits. You have to play with the round button toy for what seemed like hours if you want to get out with your freebie.

I was always dumbfounded that the thing hit the market and had commercial success.

// Later in college got a temp job at the Lego facility as a material handler. Moving huge bins of bricks around the warehouse, absolutely killed me not to be able to just sit on the floor and make something huge.
 
2013-06-30 01:00:48 AM  
Well, it's a two way street.  You could also let your boys play with these legos too.
 
2013-06-30 01:13:33 AM  
Anything that entices kids to use their hands, minds and imaginations is alright in my book

/try not to make too much out of the minutiae
 
2013-06-30 01:27:19 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Anything that entices kids to use their hands, minds and imaginations is alright in my book

/try not to make too much out of the minutiae


That's not really what these ones are, though. It's more of a Barbie/Polly Pocket thing.
Which is fine. For god's sake just let the little girls play with what they want to play with, even if it is as demeaning and dehumanizing as not being the exact thing a little boy wants to play with.
 
2013-06-30 01:27:29 AM  
Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?
 
2013-06-30 01:27:36 AM  
My daughter asked for " girl Lego" for Christmas. When I took her to the toy store and told her she could get anything she wanted with her birthday money, she chose "Lego Friends". How dreary it must be to spend your life looking for conspiracy and manufactured outrage.
 
2013-06-30 01:27:57 AM  
Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.
 
2013-06-30 01:28:06 AM  
Legos are nothing like I remember.  I remember having a bucket of bricks that one day was a castle, the next day was a staged moon landing, the next day was a monster truck.
 
2013-06-30 01:29:09 AM  

TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.


Just wait til you find out how real estate "works".
 
2013-06-30 01:29:16 AM  
When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.
 
2013-06-30 01:30:19 AM  

Makh: Well, it's a two way street.  You could also let your boys play with these legos too.


I quite like the workshop and cafe pictured in the article. Nice details. The school sounds interesting as well. The pastel colours are a bit naff of course, but I could live with them.
 
2013-06-30 01:30:31 AM  
This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.
 
2013-06-30 01:30:54 AM  
Because my nephew plays with the other ones, so my niece knows all the pink and purple ones are hers by default. Strangely, that means she winds up with more Legos than her little brother, hm.
 
2013-06-30 01:31:20 AM  

doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.


See? THAT is what I mean about kids using their imaginations

/some people just can't see the pirate ships for the pink palm trees
 
2013-06-30 01:32:22 AM  
www.smbc-comics.com

I remember during the senior year of high school, my buddies came over for D&D and our session was derailed and cancelled when one of my friends found the giant storage bin of Lego.

/the ksssh of legos being stirred is magical
 
2013-06-30 01:33:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.

See? THAT is what I mean about kids using their imaginations

/some people just can't see the pirate ships for the pink palm trees


Technically they could have invaded the Medival playset, but those farkers had a castle AND a dragon. There was the space ships, too, but those broke and I could never find all the pieces again.
 
2013-06-30 01:33:11 AM  
There's a workshop, too, with a chalkboard and a robot.

Well at least it's not a kitchen, so I guess that's progress.
 
2013-06-30 01:34:21 AM  
Gay legos. Next they'll be in plaid.
 
2013-06-30 01:34:58 AM  

doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.


I like the cut of your jib, matey.

ARRRRRR!
 
2013-06-30 01:35:33 AM  

quatchi: Two years ago, in 2011,90 percent of Lego's consumers were boys.

Consumers? Were they eating them or something?


Really? The word 'consumer' confuses you?
 
2013-06-30 01:35:43 AM  
I have a seven-year-old boy and four-year-old girl (as well as a one-year-old girl, but her main interest in Legos right now is seeing how many she can try and put in her mouth). The seven-year-old is crazy about regular Legos and we have roughly 500 million of them jumbled together in a box, out of which he builds all sorts of weird and neat things. My four-year-old was always encouraged to play with them and showed mild interest, but when she received a set of pink cupcake duplos for her birthday from a friend -- she went nuts. She absolutely loved it. Believe me, it was not about foisting the toy on her and telling her she was supposed to like the pink cupcake duplos, you couldn't keep her away from them for a while. Neat thing is, her brother started getting interested and for a while they were running a pretend bakery -- of course, he tended to make "cupcake monsters" three feet high and his sister preferred nifty little decorated things, but they both had fun. And now that she's had some practice with the pink duplos, she's getting better at handling the regular kind, though she still tries to make houses instead of monsters. I fully anticipate that within a short time she'll be asking for one of those more complex pink house sets or something for her birthday, and I'm fine with that. And if it turns out she wants the hobbit hole or the space station, we'll get that. But it's a fact that what really got her interested was that pink cupcake set -- I can hardly blame the manufacturers of Legos for catering the products that kids want instead of the products their easily-outraged parents think they should want.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the outraged parents would be *thrilled* if a boy picked out the pink house or cupcake set.
 
2013-06-30 01:36:15 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat.


I dunno, I don't think chicks do this kind of thing: Link

If you know those who do, please introduce me to them.
 
2013-06-30 01:37:03 AM  

doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.


rape culture
 
2013-06-30 01:37:23 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.


You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.
 
2013-06-30 01:37:30 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: quatchi: Two years ago, in 2011,90 percent of Lego's consumers were boys.

Consumers? Were they eating them or something?

Really? The word 'consumer' confuses you?


Naw, it was just a lame attempt at a joke.

That noted, I do love me a good Lego thread, they're whimsical, nostalgic, playful and at the drop of a hat can turn into anything at all.

S'cool is that.
 
2013-06-30 01:38:05 AM  

doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.


Sigh. "Rape Culture".
 
2013-06-30 01:38:37 AM  

RenownedCurator: I have a seven-year-old boy and four-year-old girl (as well as a one-year-old girl, but her main interest in Legos right now is seeing how many she can try and put in her mouth). The seven-year-old is crazy about regular Legos and we have roughly 500 million of them jumbled together in a box, out of which he builds all sorts of weird and neat things. My four-year-old was always encouraged to play with them and showed mild interest, but when she received a set of pink cupcake duplos for her birthday from a friend -- she went nuts. She absolutely loved it. Believe me, it was not about foisting the toy on her and telling her she was supposed to like the pink cupcake duplos, you couldn't keep her away from them for a while. Neat thing is, her brother started getting interested and for a while they were running a pretend bakery -- of course, he tended to make "cupcake monsters" three feet high and his sister preferred nifty little decorated things, but they both had fun. And now that she's had some practice with the pink duplos, she's getting better at handling the regular kind, though she still tries to make houses instead of monsters. I fully anticipate that within a short time she'll be asking for one of those more complex pink house sets or something for her birthday, and I'm fine with that. And if it turns out she wants the hobbit hole or the space station, we'll get that. But it's a fact that what really got her interested was that pink cupcake set -- I can hardly blame the manufacturers of Legos for catering the products that kids want instead of the products their easily-outraged parents think they should want.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the outraged parents would be *thrilled* if a boy picked out the pink house or cupcake set.


That reminds me, I have gourmet cupcakes in the fridge.  They're made with Surf Brew porter (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/25945/76311).  Be right back.
 
2013-06-30 01:39:28 AM  
Does it matter. If a little boy wants to play with pink Legos, that's perfectly fine, too.
 
2013-06-30 01:40:04 AM  

RoyBatty: This article makes no sense at all.

The article says:

1. Two years ago, 90% of Lego users were boys
2. Construction had never worked for girls, it took Lego 4 years to figure out how to market to the girls market
3. Lego Friends, marketed to girls, is now one of the biggest successes in Lego History
4. There is a reason for this, boys play "on the outside" of their Lego construction, girls play on the inside.

So all of this should be a big hit right? A complete win.

It's good for the girls who get a toy they like, it's good for the investors and the employees, it's even good for the boys that have girls introduced more into the construction world.

So how does it end, after writing that big wall of text, Neda Ullaby says, But Why O Why Can't Lego Market Toys for Boys AND Girls Together!?

It's like she didn't even read her own farking article.


...yeah, I didn't really follow the author's logic there, either.

Boys and girls play differently. This should be shocking to absolutely no one.
 
2013-06-30 01:40:34 AM  

WhippingBoy: Sigh. "Rape Culture".


God-is-a-Taco:  rape culture

Pillage is not rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pillage?s=t
 
2013-06-30 01:40:39 AM  
 
2013-06-30 01:40:44 AM  
randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.
 
2013-06-30 01:41:09 AM  
Also I fondly remember making dioramas: christmas train station, robin hood vs blackbeard, space men vs the fire breathing dragon, porn studio A, gandalf and his biatches, timmy's stuck in the garbage truck, snidley whiplash gets cut in half, the good ship venus

Ahhh, to have legos again.
 
2013-06-30 01:42:12 AM  

worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.


What's sad is I have no idea if this is satire or not
 
2013-06-30 01:42:39 AM  
Well, it is a good thing that girls don't have to deal with sweaty, gross things like Lego City. They have crooks, crooked cops and firefight...


i651.photobucket.com

Oh Fark...

// Not to worry; the girls get their revenge
// Because Lego City doesn't have any
// Food.. except for one chicken leg.
// The denizens of LC end up eating each other.
 
2013-06-30 01:43:15 AM  

randomjsa: Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?


It's very rarely that I agree with you, but when I do, we're right ;)
 
2013-06-30 01:43:22 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.

You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.


I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.
 
2013-06-30 01:44:44 AM  

OgreMagi: WhippingBoy: Sigh. "Rape Culture".

God-is-a-Taco:  rape culture

Pillage is not rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pillage?s=t


So dictionary.com is truthworthy because it has a dic?
 
2013-06-30 01:45:38 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.

You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.

I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.


Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"
 
2013-06-30 01:47:07 AM  
Yeah yeah, girls can play with whatever or dress however they want.  The real issue of the day is that boys have to avoid pink 'girly' things and have to wear pants.
 
2013-06-30 01:47:12 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.

rape culture


WhippingBoy: doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.

Sigh. "Rape Culture".


Yes, quite literally rape culture. However I was like 10. Didn't know about sex yet. Just always bothered me that the pirates had chests full of gold and no explainable source for this bounty of treasure.
 
2013-06-30 01:47:32 AM  
Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.
 
2013-06-30 01:47:46 AM  
Dad: What do you want for Christmas, honey?
Daughter: I want a dolly
Dad: Oh-Ho, we can't have that. People will think I'm an unenlightened parent. And we both know how important other people's opinions are. How about an air wrench instead? Gotta bust those gender roles you know!
Daughter: That sucks. I want a dolly.
Dad: Now don't be difficult. You know I have to be able to brag to complete strangers about what a great person I am because I got you something that broke the chains of oppression
Daughter: I WANT A DOLLY!!!
Dad: C'mon now. Christmas isn't about you...
 
2013-06-30 01:48:25 AM  

MoonPirate: My daughter who is 11 doesn't like the girly ones. She decided on her own it was blatant marketing crap.


Do us all a favor.

Have more children.
 
2013-06-30 01:48:27 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: OgreMagi: WhippingBoy: Sigh. "Rape Culture".

God-is-a-Taco:  rape culture

Pillage is not rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pillage?s=t

So dictionary.com is truthworthy because it has a dic?


It must be circumcised because you cut off the end.
 
2013-06-30 01:48:44 AM  
On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.

i40.tinypic.com
There's nothing inherently wrong with "girl toys," "boy toys," and "gender neutral" toys. More to the point, I don't think they're going away anytime soon. Assuming their parents let them, kids will gravitate to what they enjoy, no matter what gender label the toy or activity is labeled with.

As a kid, I played with gender neutral blocks (e.g., Legos, Duplos, Lincoln Logs), "girl" toys like My Little Ponies and Popples, and "boy" toys TMNT action figures, and plastic dinosaurs. Never did like dolls, though. On the other hand, my brother didn't play with "girl" toys. Just not his thing, I guess. Our parents have never been overly concerned by "traditional" gender roles, and I guess they passed that on?

Um, in any case, the "girl" Legos won't prevent parents from buying the "boy" or "neutral" Legos if they want to. And if the do, either the kid or the parent is probably heading toward the pink toy aisle already. Right?

No biggie.

/Off to find my old, plastic, duck-billed dinosaur.
//She's orange.
///Not pink.
 
2013-06-30 01:50:34 AM  

doglover: God-is-a-Taco: doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.

rape culture

WhippingBoy: doglover: When I was young I always saw the "house" playsets Lego puts out with the pink house and the palm trees, and I wanted to get a few because I had all these pirate ships full of bucaneers and nothing to pillage.

Sigh. "Rape Culture".

Yes, quite literally rape culture. However I was like 10. Didn't know about sex yet. Just always bothered me that the pirates had chests full of gold and no explainable source for this bounty of treasure.


I used to laugh and laugh at the fat chick chasing that poor old pirate around.

i.imgur.com

Now I'm more likely to think, "hmmmm."
 
2013-06-30 01:51:25 AM  

brigid_fitch: Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.


My nephew became extremely upset when he was given a gi joe by his grandmother.  He was always playing with his sister's barbies, so mum thought it would be a cool thing.  He looked at the "boy doll", pulled off its clothes, and screamed, "BROKEN!  NO TEETEES!" and threw it across the room.
 
2013-06-30 01:51:51 AM  

RoyBatty: I used to laugh and laugh at the fat chick chasing that poor old pirate around.


That's the best part of the ride.

Also Mecha-Pinkie-Zord will destroy all gender expectations.

fc06.deviantart.net
 
2013-06-30 01:53:41 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.

What's sad is I have no idea if this is satire or not


Yeah, I'm wondering that myself.
 
2013-06-30 01:54:01 AM  

worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.


This.

Once upon a time, this is how Legos were marketed:


i651.photobucket.com

And then the mouth-breathing parents were scared that Suzy might shave all her hair, start wearing plaid and "marry" a gal named Chastity.

Also, that since the boy, Ben, was playing with Suzy, it was a sure sign that as soon as he hit puberty, he was going shave all all his (chest and leg) hair, only to get oiled up and passed around a bathhouse like a second-hand sock.

... and thus, were gender-stereotype toys created.
 
2013-06-30 01:55:20 AM  

OgreMagi: brigid_fitch: Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.

My nephew became extremely upset when he was given a gi joe by his grandmother.  He was always playing with his sister's barbies, so mum thought it would be a cool thing.  He looked at the "boy doll", pulled off its clothes, and screamed, "BROKEN!  NO TEETEES!" and threw it across the room.


Soon your nephew will be on his way to college to learn how to be a patent attorney.
 
2013-06-30 01:55:48 AM  
I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-06-30 01:59:43 AM  

Canton: On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.


The "girl" minifigs are an  UNHOLY ABOMINATION, compatible with nothing, barely posable and utterly useless.

Why Lego, Inc couldn't-I don't know-use the existing girl minifigs in their "Friends" line is beyond me.
 
2013-06-30 02:00:54 AM  
Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?

Subby nailed it.

/so many parents are still staunchly attached to gender roles.
 
2013-06-30 02:00:59 AM  

RenownedCurator: when she received a set of pink cupcake duplos for her birthday from a friend -- she went nuts.


I just got those for my niece. She loves them.
 
2013-06-30 02:02:06 AM  
Because they aren't girls until they decide to be, or whatever that retarded gender neutral upbringing BS argument is
 
2013-06-30 02:03:59 AM  
"But Pochatila also was dismayed by how many of the regular sets revolve around male superheroes. "You don't see a Wonder Woman set," she points out. "

Uh...
bricker.ru

Sure its only one set, but thats one more set than either Flash or Green Lantern are in.
 
2013-06-30 02:04:14 AM  
I grew up in a small town with a craptastic KMart that didn't sell actual legos, I think Mom tried to get me Bristle Blocks or some crap, feeling guilty because she knew I'd know the difference.

Years later, after many false starts and awful dead end jobs - BY HIS NOODLY GRACES, I HAVE MY ENGINEERING DEGREE.

Moms/Dads: If your daughter or son has a fascination with legos, don't settle. Buy the real deal and get her/him the best you can afford. Also: wear hard-soled shoes anywhere near their play areas.

http://www.mit.edu/~rseater/legolinks.html

You can start with the 'custom' sets at walmart but the real stuff happens with the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own. That's where the magic happens; a kid's self discovery, that they may make something physical and real, from their own imagination. (Adults may or may never understand or appreciate those creations, but that's not the actual magic.)

/rant over
//Yes I own Legos as an adult
 
2013-06-30 02:04:40 AM  

safetycap: Canton: On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.

The "girl" minifigs are an  UNHOLY ABOMINATION, compatible with nothing, barely posable and utterly useless.

Why Lego, Inc couldn't-I don't know-use the existing girl minifigs in their "Friends" line is beyond me.


Fair point. But I do like the rest of it, colors aside. The tools (not pink, thankfully), the flask, the robot, the... Okay, yeah, mostly the robot, who is clearly the star of that set.
 
2013-06-30 02:05:19 AM  
Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?
 
2013-06-30 02:05:27 AM  

capt.hollister: Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?

Subby nailed it.

/so many parents are still staunchly attached to gender roles.


Still? When did this happen? By the article's own admission, old Lego sets used to be gender neutral. At what point did "parents" become "still staunchly attached to gener roles" enough to influence Lego to make an entirely new product line?

It's a bit confusing to think that parents of the 2000's are more obsessed with gender roles than parents of the 50's and 60's.
 
2013-06-30 02:07:19 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.



i162.photobucket.com

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.
 
2013-06-30 02:07:52 AM  

WhippingBoy: Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?


It suggests that there may be differences between males and females. That's literally it. Never has a society been more obsessed with "diversity" in theory, yet so afraid of it in practice.
 
2013-06-30 02:08:12 AM  
We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.

images.amazon.com
 
2013-06-30 02:09:01 AM  

corq: the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own

.

That's worth getting by itself just for the magic Lego separator.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 02:09:01 AM  

brigid_fitch: Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.


I had primary color Legos and I turned out fine, too. I got a Malibu Barbie for my 6th birthday and was pretty bored with it. I left it in the front yard. The boys next door stripped her robin's egg blue suit off, dipped her in paint, and rolled her in grass clippings. I never even asked for another Barbie. I wanted Hot Wheels! I loved those. And those orange 3' sections of track were lethal weapons. Youngest of three girls. If big sis came at me, WHOOSH!
 
2013-06-30 02:09:02 AM  

47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.


Joke: ---------------------------------

Your head: ----------------------------
 
2013-06-30 02:09:19 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.


I've got twins, a boy and a girl -- pretty much a natural experiment in nature vs. nurture, since my wife and I have always been very careful to give both children all the same opportunities, privileges, routines, etc.

Yeah -- the behavioral sex differences become apparent quite early. We noticed them even before the age of 1. Now, at the age of 2, the differences are pretty stark. The boy mostly just wants to see how far he can hurl things, preferably of the breakable variety, while the girl likes to shadow me around the house and imitate whatever I'm doing.

Anyone that thinks gender is fully reducible to socialization must not have ever met an actual human child.
 
2013-06-30 02:09:37 AM  

DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.


I hate to break it to you, but those were actually cat turds your mom molded into stackable shapes.
 
2013-06-30 02:10:21 AM  

WhippingBoy: OgreMagi: brigid_fitch: Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.

My nephew became extremely upset when he was given a gi joe by his grandmother.  He was always playing with his sister's barbies, so mum thought it would be a cool thing.  He looked at the "boy doll", pulled off its clothes, and screamed, "BROKEN!  NO TEETEES!" and threw it across the room.

Soon your nephew will be on his way to college to learn how to be a patent attorney.


No.  He went to culinary school.  He's all grown up now.
 
2013-06-30 02:11:02 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.

I hate to break it to you, but those were actually cat turds your mom molded into stackable shapes.


That explains the sickly sweet flavor.
 
2013-06-30 02:11:47 AM  

47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


[i162.photobucket.com image 363x310]

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.


Can he spot sarcasm?
 
2013-06-30 02:12:18 AM  

OgreMagi: WhippingBoy: Sigh. "Rape Culture".

God-is-a-Taco:  rape culture

Pillage is not rape.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pillage?s=t


No, but it makes it acceptable, apparently.
 
2013-06-30 02:13:01 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.

I hate to break it to you, but those were actually cat turds your mom molded into stackable shapes.


The best toys are the ones you make yourself.
/always got a set of "Jumbo" Lincoln Logs for Christmas
 
2013-06-30 02:13:14 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Because they aren't girls until they decide to be, or whatever that retarded gender neutral upbringing BS argument is


Conversely, we could consider that "Toys Girls Like" and "Toys Boys Like" as a venn diaphragm, and non-pastel, non-hyper-specialized Legos fit in that crossover area perfectly comfortably for like 40 goddamn years.
 
2013-06-30 02:13:40 AM  

randomjsa: Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?


Yep. Way too much overthinking here. Its especially funny when they get in the way of their own hand-wringing without realizing it. This classic episode - http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-friendly-easy-bake-oven-teen-girl-bat/st o rynew?id=18003828#.Uc_KAW1xrIQ  - involves a girl whose heartwarming search to get Hasbro to make a "gender-neutral" oven for her little brother was wildly applauded.

So.....let me get this straight.....it's bad to associate colors with gender and to stereotype gender roles, but it's amazing to seek 'gender-neutral' toys...on the basis that colors are associated with gender roles?
 
2013-06-30 02:13:45 AM  

47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


[i162.photobucket.com image 363x310]

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.


Or is it my "brother and I"?

Also, for relevance to the thread:

GIS for lego bender

/ Should go to bed.
// Trying to get up early for me so I don't spend 30 minutes waiting at the deli counter.
 
2013-06-30 02:14:19 AM  

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]

Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]


In 10 years you won't understand and they'll be throwing things at you and proclaiming "worst dad ever" on their microscreens or whatever the hell but at the moment I feel you're the coolest dad ever.
 
2013-06-30 02:15:40 AM  

WhippingBoy: 47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.

Joke: ---------------------------------

Your head: ----------------------------


Yes, I realize that now.

/ Really should go to bed.
 
2013-06-30 02:16:26 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.

What's sad is I have no idea if this is satire or not


Yeah, I was about to bite and just responded to randomjsa instead. Same thought.
 
2013-06-30 02:17:30 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.

I hate to break it to you, but those were actually cat turds your mom molded into stackable shapes.

The best toys are the ones you make yourself.
/always got a set of "Jumbo" Lincoln Logs for Christmas


From now on, all my toys will be tapered.
 
2013-06-30 02:18:08 AM  
OMG! What took them so long?! These are awesome!

The dolls are a bit much but new colors for the blocks are long overdue.
 
2013-06-30 02:18:18 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dad: What do you want for Christmas, honey?
Daughter: I want a dolly
Dad: Oh-Ho, we can't have that. People will think I'm an unenlightened parent. And we both know how important other people's opinions are. How about an air wrench instead? Gotta bust those gender roles you know!
Daughter: That sucks. I want a dolly.
Dad: Now don't be difficult. You know I have to be able to brag to complete strangers about what a great person I am because I got you something that broke the chains of oppression
Daughter: I WANT A DOLLY!!!
Dad: C'mon now. Christmas isn't about you...


Perfect.
 
2013-06-30 02:19:25 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?

It suggests that there may be differences between males and females. That's literally it. Never has a society been more obsessed with "diversity" in theory, yet so afraid of it in practice.


There was a study a while back where test subjects were shown pictures of 50 naked men and 50 naked women and were asked to pick out which were the men and which were the women. Out of 1000 test subjects, not a single one of them could tell which ones were the men and which ones were the women.
 
2013-06-30 02:19:40 AM  
Maybe girls don't "need" them, maybe they want them. Maybe girls often like different things from boys.

And if they don't want them, they won't buy them, and they'll stop making them.

/them
 
2013-06-30 02:33:18 AM  
Why the Hell are they playing with Legos anyway?  They should be in the kitchen playing with their Easy-Bake Oven!


- and barefoot


I'll just stop there.
 
2013-06-30 02:40:35 AM  
Theyre coming out with a line of pink nerf guns pretty soon.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Theyre all brand new blasters too, not just pink recolors.

After the Rebelle line launches theyre releasing a ZombieStrike like which are the new girl blasters recolored for boys.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-30 02:40:36 AM  

Cyno01: Sure its only one set, but thats one more set than either Flash or Green Lantern are in.


Give the box art a close look.

Superman is the focus of the top of the box, and the front, above the picture.  More telling, in the picture itself, Wonder Woman is trapped in the grasp of Lex's mech, while Superman is flying up to save her.  Wonder Woman is there not so much as a heroine, but as a damsel in distress.

Notice the title of the product as well: Superman vs. Power Armour Lex.  Wonder Woman doesn't even warrant inclusion in the title.
 
2013-06-30 02:40:51 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: Why are people so afraid that little girls might actually want to play with the "girl Lego" doctor set instead of the "boy Lego" NASCAR set?

It suggests that there may be differences between males and females. That's literally it. Never has a society been more obsessed with "diversity" in theory, yet so afraid of it in practice.

There was a study a while back where test subjects were shown pictures of 50 naked men and 50 naked women and were asked to pick out which were the men and which were the women. Out of 1000 test subjects, not a single one of them could tell which ones were the men and which ones were the women.


Obesity culture.
 
2013-06-30 02:44:01 AM  
There are pink Legos?
 
2013-06-30 02:46:50 AM  
From everything I've seen, girls and boys definitely tend on average, across a spectrum, to prefer somewhat different toys and colors and topics and styles of play.

But in many cases media and parents and peers enforce and reinforce these tendencies along hard lines so that some toys and play are deemed to be exclusively for girls and others exclusively for boys.

In reality there's a lot of variation and overlap in kids' natural inclinations. And for kids who aren't aligned with the average tendencies, that hardline "enforcement" can make them feel like shiat, like there's something wrong with them, especially if they're not lucky enough to have someone who will back them up.

To the extent that producing special sets caters to little girls' interests and gives them a chance to play Lego in the first place without cretins giving them shiat about it, that's awesome.

To the extent that it ghettoizes girls' Lego play and cuts them out of playing with a lot of Lego's coolest products by making those "Lego for boys" (and makes it more difficult for boys to play with certain things by pinkifying them) that's bullshiat.
 
2013-06-30 02:48:25 AM  

doglover: WhippingBoy:
There was a study a while back where test subjects were shown pictures of 50 naked men and 50 naked women and were asked to pick out which were the men and which were the women. Out of 1000 test subjects, not a single one of them could tell which ones were the men and which ones were the women.

Obesity culture.


You can't use those terms, lego rapist
 
2013-06-30 02:49:42 AM  
Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.
 
2013-06-30 02:54:23 AM  

safetycap: Canton: On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.

The "girl" minifigs are an  UNHOLY ABOMINATION, compatible with nothing, barely posable and utterly useless.

Why Lego, Inc couldn't-I don't know-use the existing girl minifigs in their "Friends" line is beyond me.


They can hold the same katanas & shiat as Ninjago. Hell, one of the Friends kits is a little martial arts studio thing, and I recognize the katana & the helmet from Ninjago sets.

I haven't tried slapping Atlantis helmets on the Friends, or sticking them in my Lego X-Wing, but my daughter likes her Friends & my son's Lego sets. My son mainly avoids the Friends minifigs, but isn't opposed to ninja attacks on Olivia's house.

/childless lonely farkers like to be outraged over shiat
 
2013-06-30 02:59:58 AM  

pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.


i.ebayimg.com
 
2013-06-30 03:00:47 AM  

Cyno01: pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.

[i.ebayimg.com image 224x300]


There goes the property value of my lego house.
 
2013-06-30 03:01:50 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: lego rapist


www.moderntribe.com
 
2013-06-30 03:02:16 AM  

pvrhye: and no guns


cache.lego.com
You sure about that?
 
2013-06-30 03:02:24 AM  
Wait... They have guns....

A few years ago they put out Clikits, jewelry that could be customized. I'm pretty sure it tanked. Lego has been trying for awhile to get into the girl market. The Friends sets have a bunch of pieces so you can play with the bakery as a bakery, plates and food and a blender among others. Girls have a different kind of pretend play where those pieces can be important. It will keep them playing with Legos for longer.
 
2013-06-30 03:03:04 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-30 03:03:07 AM  

Cyno01: pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.

[i.ebayimg.com image 224x300]


That's a special Lando Calrissian figure though. It's not standard fare by any means.
 
2013-06-30 03:03:52 AM  

Hickory-smoked: Gdalescrboz: Because they aren't girls until they decide to be, or whatever that retarded gender neutral upbringing BS argument is

Conversely, we could consider that "Toys Girls Like" and "Toys Boys Like" as a venn diaphragm, and non-pastel, non-hyper-specialized Legos fit in that crossover area perfectly comfortably for like 40 goddamn years.


Eh...doesn't the first line of the article sort of contradict that? And most of the lines thereafter?
 
2013-06-30 03:04:45 AM  

Cyno01: pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.

[i.ebayimg.com image 224x300]


Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.
 
2013-06-30 03:06:29 AM  
Clearly LEGO is misogynistic and other bad things that aren't good to the ladies. It cannot possibly be that they are attempting to increase their base of purchasing peoples in a proven manner which is researched out and is been understood for decades. Danmark is a shiat place for bad people.
 
2013-06-30 03:08:55 AM  
Uh, if you don't like it, buy your daughter/niece the ones aimed at boys.

Obviously some kids like the different colored ones and they are selling. I'm failing to be outraged here.
 
2013-06-30 03:10:39 AM  

Korzine: corq: the generic wholesale bucket of legos where a kid has to decide what something will become, all on their own.

That's worth getting by itself just for the magic Lego separator.


i.imgur.com

These are standard in some of the bigger sets too now.  Also available individually from the LEGO site.
 
2013-06-30 03:11:00 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


Wrong. Males and females produce different concentrations of different chemicals internally.
 
2013-06-30 03:18:16 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: capt.hollister: Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?

Subby nailed it.

/so many parents are still staunchly attached to gender roles.

Still? When did this happen? By the article's own admission, old Lego sets used to be gender neutral. At what point did "parents" become "still staunchly attached to gener roles" enough to influence Lego to make an entirely new product line?

It's a bit confusing to think that parents of the 2000's are more obsessed with gender roles than parents of the 50's and 60's.


Regular Lego sets were gender neutral, but many parents aren't. Too many parents would not dream of buying regular Legos for their daughters, they're stuck with the belief that Legos are for boys.  Also, keep in mind that this is a big world. How many Asian,  Eastern European, Middle Eastern, etc... parents would ever buy their daughters a Lego set ?

These pink sets may be a big success, but what percentage of Lego sales are still for boys ?
 
2013-06-30 03:21:51 AM  
My dad bought my five-year-old one of those sets. I like it because most of her pieces are a different color than the ocean of Legos the rest of the kids have. She can keep track of them easier.

My none of my older daughters have ever asked for these sets.
 
2013-06-30 03:24:17 AM  

doglover: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat.

I dunno, I don't think chicks do this kind of thing: Link

If you know those who do, please introduce me to them.


LMAO ... "Oh mein arsch! Oh mein arsch!" ... LMAOsm ... Lurve his English speech too.

Sadly, IRL I would totally bed this dude.
 
2013-06-30 03:25:23 AM  

Korzine: That's a special Lando Calrissian figure though. It's not standard fare by any means.


pvrhye: Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.


Nah, lego has had guns for a looooong time. The old pirate sets came with flintlocks and muskets.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Then they had wild west sets that had long guns and revolvers.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net images.wikia.com

Now theres even a tommy gun thats used by henchmen in batman sets.
images.wikia.com

But yeah, somewhere along the line they stopped using megaphones and video cameras for guns in star wars sets.

images.wikia.com images.wikia.com

BUT!

Lando Calrisian, just like how he was the only black man in the Star Wars universe, was also the first black minifig. But of course this one is more badass.

i.imgur.com

Since the introduction of the Lando and subsequent minifigs of a non ambiguous ethnicity, for licensed sets white characters have been white, not yellow, while for things like Lego town and their own lines, the minifigs are all still the raceless yellow.

www.kenmorethompson.com
 
2013-06-30 03:26:04 AM  
whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

This story is just one of literally piles and piles of evidence showing that gender roles are to some extent inherent. I know that's inconvenient but it's true.
 
2013-06-30 03:26:42 AM  
I tried to get my stepdaughter into Legos.  I even had my personal Mindstorms set I offered to let her play with.  Sadly, she only cared about the Power Puff Girls and Sailor Moon.

And before anyone suggests "American Culture", she wasn't an American and had not assimilated yet.
 
2013-06-30 03:31:30 AM  

Cyno01: Korzine: That's a special Lando Calrissian figure though. It's not standard fare by any means.

pvrhye: Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.

Nah, lego has had guns for a looooong time. The old pirate sets came with flintlocks and muskets.

Then they had wild west sets that had long guns and revolvers.

Now theres even a tommy gun thats used by henchmen in batman sets.


But yeah, somewhere along the line they stopped using megaphones and video cameras for guns in star wars sets.

BUT!

Lando Calrisian, just like how he was the only black man in the Star Wars universe, was also the first black minifig. But of course this one is more badass.

Since the introduction of the Lando and subsequent minifigs of a non ambiguous ethnicity, for licensed sets white characters have been white, not yellow, while for things like Lego town and their own lines, the minifigs are all still the raceless yellow.


First pic set- sad mini dildo alert!
 
2013-06-30 03:32:48 AM  

freetomato: Cyno01: Korzine: That's a special Lando Calrissian figure though. It's not standard fare by any means.

pvrhye: Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.

Nah, lego has had guns for a looooong time. The old pirate sets came with flintlocks and muskets.

Then they had wild west sets that had long guns and revolvers.

Now theres even a tommy gun thats used by henchmen in batman sets.


But yeah, somewhere along the line they stopped using megaphones and video cameras for guns in star wars sets.

BUT!

Lando Calrisian, just like how he was the only black man in the Star Wars universe, was also the first black minifig. But of course this one is more badass.

Since the introduction of the Lando and subsequent minifigs of a non ambiguous ethnicity, for licensed sets white characters have been white, not yellow, while for things like Lego town and their own lines, the minifigs are all still the raceless yellow.

First pic set- sad mini dildo alert!


Oh god, you just ruined that piece for me forever.
 
2013-06-30 03:40:29 AM  

Korzine: That's worth getting by itself just for the magic Lego separator.


I did that with my fingernails. No prob.

Kids these days. Sheesh.
 
2013-06-30 03:42:21 AM  

The water was cold: I'll just stop there.


Good idea.
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2013-06-30 04:11:37 AM  

wingnutx: RenownedCurator: when she received a set of pink cupcake duplos for her birthday from a friend -- she went nuts.

I just got those for my niece. She loves them.


And I should get some sleep because my rapid reading comprehension skills appear to be fading.

On the other hand, I'll bet that sets of pink cupcake dildos would be an excellent money spinner.
 
2013-06-30 04:18:28 AM  

worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.


Unless parents raise their kid in a box, with no contact at all to our larger civilization, their kids will absorb our society's gender norms. People tend to underestimate how freaky smart and observant babies are. They know their sex, are able to recognize people of their same gender, and make generalization about appropriate gender behavior through sheer observation.
 
2013-06-30 04:28:27 AM  
Meh.  I always preferred Construx.

/too bad I was apparently in the minority
 
2013-06-30 04:31:56 AM  

Jorn the Younger: I always preferred Construx.


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2013-06-30 04:38:35 AM  

Bumblefark: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

I've got twins, a boy and a girl -- pretty much a natural experiment in nature vs. nurture, since my wife and I have always been very careful to give both children all the same opportunities, privileges, routines, etc.

Yeah -- the behavioral sex differences become apparent quite early. We noticed them even before the age of 1. Now, at the age of 2, the differences are pretty stark. The boy mostly just wants to see how far he can hurl things, preferably of the breakable variety, while the girl likes to shadow me around the house and imitate whatever I'm doing.

Anyone that thinks gender is fully reducible to socialization must not have ever met an actual human child.


Your boy is already training to become the next Alpha dog, but your girl recognizes your rightful place(not via dangly bits, just age and size) But, you see, her imitating is also training to become the next Alpha, doing what the Alpha does.

So, watch your back.

The girl will kneel behind you and the boy throw stuff at you until you back up and trip.  Once you're down, it's a much more even fight.
 
2013-06-30 04:41:07 AM  

Bumblefark: the behavioral sex differences become apparent quite early. We noticed them even before the age of 1. Now, at the age of 2, the differences are pretty stark. The boy mostly just wants to see how far he can hurl things, preferably of the breakable variety, while the girl likes to shadow me around the house and imitate whatever I'm doing.

Anyone that thinks gender is fully reducible to socialization must not have ever met an actual human child.


Your description of your boy and girl describes my sister and me. She wanted pink fluffy stuff, pageants, typical girl stuff. I was making toy guns out of sticks, breaking bricks for the fun of it,typical boy stuff. Our parents didn't treat us differently - we just were different. The thing is, I'm trans. I was born female. Socialized female. I lived that way until I was about 35, and finally figured out what the problem was.

So what does that mean? I sure don't have any answers. I tend to think it means that some gender differences really are inherent, if having a girl's name, social identity, and body still can't suppress the traits a boy's (or boy-like) brain produces, but I could easily see it meaning the exact opposite. I wouldn't agree that it meant that gender roles are so strong in society that a person has to switch genders to switch roles, but I could understand why someone might make an argument like that. It's a neat thing to think about, anyway.

I'd like to see more research done on brain differences between genders that includes trans people. What already has been done is pretty damned interesting as far as which brain characteristics that tend to vary between male and female brains are female-like in MTFs (male to female) and male-like in FTMs (female to male), and which ones are already so before the administration of any hormones. I think we might find some of the answers to these questions in those structural differences, if we ask the questions properly and research with the goal of understanding the genders of brains, and not with the narrower goal of asking why transgendered people are transgendered.
 
2013-06-30 04:59:09 AM  

Cyno01: Theyre coming out with a line of pink nerf guns pretty soon.

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Theyre all brand new blasters too, not just pink recolors.

After the Rebelle line launches theyre releasing a ZombieStrike like which are the new girl blasters recolored for boys.

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I've had an informal survey of two adults (one male and one female)

That campaign does it right.

/want the bow
//and the crossbow
//pink version looks cooler than the orange version
 
2013-06-30 05:05:13 AM  

doglover: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat.

I dunno, I don't think chicks do this kind of thing: Link

If you know those who do, please introduce me to them.


Close enough.
 
2013-06-30 05:08:26 AM  
I've always been puzzled by those who insist that gender is just a social construct, created by the different ways in which boys and girls are raised. If you believe that's true, doesn't that imply that there can be no such thing as transsexuals? According to these people, if a woman is born in a man's body and then raised as a boy, noone would be the wiser. And yet that's not the case.

Strange, since the 'gender is a social construct' people are usually the extremely PC crowd, who'd crucify anyone who denied that transsexualism is a thing.
 
2013-06-30 05:12:18 AM  
I hope it's already been said (thread is tl;dr), but they can have sets that feature female characters, particular interests, etc. without the damned farkin' pink bullshiat everywhere!
 
2013-06-30 05:15:54 AM  

ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.


...and then committed suicide. It's pretty much -the- perfect argument that gender is not a choice.
 
2013-06-30 05:20:45 AM  

Philonius: I've always been puzzled by those who insist that gender is just a social construct, created by the different ways in which boys and girls are raised. If you believe that's true, doesn't that imply that there can be no such thing as transsexuals? According to these people, if a woman is born in a man's body and then raised as a boy, noone would be the wiser. And yet that's not the case.

Strange, since the 'gender is a social construct' people are usually the extremely PC crowd, who'd crucify anyone who denied that transsexualism is a thing.

The problem with most psych/social behavior is that it ends up being a "why not both" situation. Gender roles aren't just nature and aren't just nurture, but somewhere in between.
 
2013-06-30 05:29:20 AM  

JPINFV: doglover: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat.

I dunno, I don't think chicks do this kind of thing: Link

If you know those who do, please introduce me to them.

Close enough.


NOT EVEN.

A: She's wearing her clothes. She's not expecting to take a swim.
B: She's hesitantly testing the ice. She's being hesitant and cautious.
C: She didn't give a speech first. She's not doing this for "look how big my balls are" reasons.

She falls through the ice timidly and against her will.

The German guy almost? breaks his tailbone because he, with no testing or hesitation, tells the world to go fark itself and arschbombes the ice, expecting to break through. He eats shiat instead, but like a man. Pure testosterone fueled stupidity to show who's the alpha dog.
 
2013-06-30 05:37:30 AM  

JPINFV: ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

...and then committed suicide. It's pretty much -the- perfect argument that gender is not a choice.

Dr. Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements," with David playing the bottom role.[4] David Reimer painfully recalled that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks".[4] Dr. Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top.[4] Dr. Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections."[4] On at "least one occasion," Dr. Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities.[4] Dr. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity."[4]


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What in the sam hill....
 
2013-06-30 05:49:57 AM  

doglover: What in the sam hill....


You can always check out the L&O:SVU episode.
 
2013-06-30 06:02:23 AM  

quatchi: That reminded me of an old Dennis Miller line from back before he caught the derp.

"Your vagina goes inward, you introspect. Our penises stick outward, we want to knock things over with it."


www.piccer.nl
 
2013-06-30 06:16:54 AM  

doglover:
What in the sam hill....

Aha, that must be where they got the farked-up plot for that Law & Order SVU episode.


pvrhye: Cyno01: pvrhye: Lego is a pretty PC company actually. They have ethnically neutral yellow dudes and no guns etc... long before other companies were so strict. The simple fact is that their default product is perceived as too masculine by their market, so they did what they could to address it.  Making totally gender neutral toys was tried for years and years to resounding failure in the female market. It's really no fault of theirs.

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Well, except in their special lines... You caught me on the corner case exception. Notable that it's clearly a sci-fi gun though.


Lego includes quite a few weapons, but when your Lego guys need a serious arsenal try Combat Brick.


octopied: Uh, if you don't like it, buy your daughter/niece the ones aimed at boys.

Obviously some kids like the different colored ones and they are selling. I'm failing to be outraged here.


This is the potential problem that I alluded to earlier. They make a few pink ones and market them to girls and now the others can be seen as "aimed at boys" by default. Making it easier/more attractive for a girl to play with Lego is great, but it's counterbalanced by the sense that they've built her a little pink ghetto and if she ventures outside its walls she's playing with "boys' toys," which is same problem she had in the first place except now it is officially reinforced.

/not outraged but it isn't an unmitigated positive either
 
2013-06-30 06:26:14 AM  

TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.

~
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It takes two to tango, sizzlechest.

Females needs are dumb enough to buy GENDER POLICE approved items, therefore the culprit is....?
 
2013-06-30 06:33:25 AM  

Big Ramifications: TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.
~
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It takes two to tango, sizzlechest.

Females needs are dumb enough to buy GENDER POLICE approved items, therefore the culprit is....?
~
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Females needs are dumb enough to buy GENDER POLICE approved items, therefore the culprit is....?

Dunno how that stuck in there.

50 years of modern feminism and where has it taken society? Enough of the p!ssant excuses, time to start producing the goods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HT4Om6JT4
 
2013-06-30 06:36:34 AM  
 
2013-06-30 06:37:10 AM  

WhippingBoy: Dad: What do you want for Christmas, honey?
Daughter: I want a dolly
Dad: Oh-Ho, we can't have that. People will think I'm an unenlightened parent. And we both know how important other people's opinions are. How about an air wrench instead? Gotta bust those gender roles you know!
Daughter: That sucks. I want a dolly.
Dad: Now don't be difficult. You know I have to be able to brag to complete strangers about what a great person I am because I got you something that broke the chains of oppression
Daughter: I WANT A DOLLY!!!
Dad: C'mon now. Christmas isn't about you...


Yeah, what do you do with a girl who really wants to be a girl? My niece grew up in a house full of icky boys (she has four brothers). If ANYONE was going to not be a girly-girl, it should have been Ashlyn. So guess who latched onto Disney princesses and pink and My Little Kitty and everything sugar and spice? Yep, right out of the womb, if it was pink, it was hers.

And her little brother, who by rights should have been a fairy since Ashlyn raised him from a pup? Princesses and their billowy skirts were "wockets" as far as he was concerned. Nobody taught him that: Sleeping Beauty was blasting off from the launch pad all by herself.

They're just different. Sorry folks.
 
2013-06-30 06:42:59 AM  

Big Ramifications: TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.
~
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It takes two to tango, sizzlechest.

Females needs are dumb enough to buy GENDER POLICE approved items, therefore the culprit is....?


.... society, as said in the post you replied to. Which includes women.

Monkeyfark Ridiculoushad it right when he/she said:

This is the potential problem that I alluded to earlier. They make a few pink ones and market them to girls and now the others can be seen as "aimed at boys" by default. Making it easier/more attractive for a girl to play with Lego is great, but it's counterbalanced by the sense that they've built her a little pink ghetto and if she ventures outside its walls she's playing with "boys' toys," which is same problem she had in the first place except now it is officially reinforced.

Also, those who are saying nothing about gender roles is enforced by parents/society should ask themselves how they'd feel about their son wanting to wear dresses and play with barbies.

/it is a 2 way street, as proved by the existence of transsexuals, and the matter is far from sorted out, or understood at all
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2013-06-30 06:47:18 AM  
I would marry the woman that could build a scale Lego model of the battleship Yamato.
 
2013-06-30 06:48:41 AM  
David Pickett blogs about Legos at , where he's criticized the Lego Friends' gender implications. "Their legs can't move independently, so they move as one big block," he points out.

That's not the case with "minifigs" - the classic Lego minifigures with stocky little torsos, snap-off heads, and feet designed to click onto Lego blocks. Additionally, Lego Friends cannot turn their wrists.

"That sort of sends a message about what we expect women being able to do physically," Pickett notes.



No it doesn't. He's overthinking this. What's more likely is some accountant decided "this is for little kids, they won't care if the legs don't move. We can cut costs on this one."
 
2013-06-30 06:57:24 AM  
Lego isn't assigning specific genders to any of their products. It just happens to be that girls like playing with the "Leg Friends" more.

My sister has a 4-year old daughter and a 2-year old son. She grew up as a tomboy, and did everything she could to discourage her daughter from becoming the stereotypical pink-loving princessy little girl. Nevertheless, my niece's favorite color is purple, and she loves playing with dolls and care-bears. My nephew's first word was "vroom," and will drop everything he's doing and gape at the sight of a tractor.

That's not to say that they don't have games that they both like to play, or occasionally switch toys around. But they do have different interests, and it's definitely not because of the way they were raised. It probably has something to do with instinct.
 
2013-06-30 07:00:10 AM  

TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.


Sometimes I get a glimpse of how it all truly is. All toothpicks and gum and hope. A latticework of lies, half truths, and as you say, straight up bullshiat.
 
2013-06-30 07:09:05 AM  

LavenderWolf: TheOmni: Because gender roles and gender policing is a pretty large part of our society. Because our society has a lot of bullshiat in it in order to help prop up all the other bullshiat.

Sometimes I get a glimpse of how it all truly is. All toothpicks and gum and hope. A latticework of lies, half truths, and as you say, straight up bullshiat.


Careful.  Knowing it is all bullshiat does not help you live a happy life.  That's why people drink.  Makes you dumber.
 
2013-06-30 07:16:10 AM  
What if a boy wanted to play with the purple and link Lego sets subby?
 
2013-06-30 07:19:00 AM  
Pochatila said she'd prefer a few more specifically female figures, ones that reflect a real-life ratio. And it's hard, she admitted, to argue with Lego Friends' appeal, the complexity of their sets and their overall message of empowerment.

So even though you like what it does, you're still not happy?  Damn, do I feel sorry for your husband... I'm honestly surprised she allowed him to be interviewed.


"Why can't they just play with regular Legos? Why does it have to be girl-driven?" she wondered.

Because the girls weren't INTERESTED in the regular Legos, you stupid bint!  That was the friggin' problem!  She's a scientist, though they don't state what she's a scientist of but it can't be too high on the common sense scale because I have little college education and I figured out, as soon as I saw the headline, that Lego saw a market they weren't getting much business in and figured out a way to improve it.  Obviously it doesn't take a scientist to figure it out because this one couldn't.
 
2013-06-30 07:31:40 AM  

Alleexm: Lego isn't assigning specific genders to any of their products. It just happens to be that girls like playing with the "Leg Friends" more.

My sister has a 4-year old daughter and a 2-year old son. She grew up as a tomboy, and did everything she could to discourage her daughter from becoming the stereotypical pink-loving princessy little girl. Nevertheless, my niece's favorite color is purple, and she loves playing with dolls and care-bears. My nephew's first word was "vroom," and will drop everything he's doing and gape at the sight of a tractor.

That's not to say that they don't have games that they both like to play, or occasionally switch toys around. But they do have different interests, and it's definitely not because of the way they were raised. It probably has something to do with instinct.


Actually, it has a LOT to do with how you are raised. Just not how you would think. Look up the documentary Hjernevask, it's called the "Norwegian paradox". As society tends to get more liberal, the gender differences get more pronounced.

Norway, which does all the 'encourage boys to play dolls and girls to play with cars' raising, only has a 20% ratio of girls enrolled in science and engineering. Which might sound typical until you look at ultra conservative societies, Iran has about 70% girls enrolled in Stem, 60% in Pakistan, and at least 50% in most Asian countries. Typically conservative societies have mechanisms that 'force the outcome', is strict parents or teachers. But left to their own devices, the gender differences become more pronounced.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what most farmers would expect.
 
2013-06-30 07:32:38 AM  
Excuse my autocorrect
 
2013-06-30 07:50:37 AM  

Big Merl: Legos are nothing like I remember.  I remember having a bucket of bricks that one day was a castle, the next day was a staged moon landing, the next day was a monster truck.


Pretty much. Mine lived in a plastic bucket that once held industrial mayonnaise or something similar. The deal was to empty the bucket on the floor and just let stuff happen. Repeat until all designed out. Then go outside, run around, inspect dirt, climb trees. Damn, I sound about a hundred. But that was childhood until about 1980.

These days, kid fun seems...programmed.

I've met more than one adult who has held on to their Lego. Cold, dead hands, etc.
 
2013-06-30 07:56:55 AM  
My four year old daughter is very much wants to be viewed as a girl.  If she thinks something is for boys she want touch it.  They see the comercials, and who's playing with it.  Christmas 2011 she went on and on at how she would like a train set, but trains were for boys.  I couldn't convince her otherwise.  Not long after that My Little Pony's train set came out, and her face lit up when she first saw the commercial.  She had tears in her eyes, and exclaimed how it was a train set for girls, like her little prayers had been answered.  She has the girl's legos for the same reason.  I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea.  We've always aloud our children to play with the toys of there liking.  Unlike her brother and sister, she likes everything from cars to Barbie dolls, as long as she doesn't think it is exclusive to boys .  She's still very interested in tools and fixing things.  We've been able to keep the fact that handy man things are male dominant.
 
2013-06-30 07:57:28 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: randomjsa: Who said the needed to? If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

It's very rarely that I agree with you, but when I do, we're right ;)


When I was a little girl, I wanted lego badly. Mom protested cause they were a "boy" toy. Dad got them for me anyhow because I'd always shown interest in things outside of the "girl" realm too. I used to go fishing with him, help tend the garden, etc... If mom had had her way, I'd have been a stereotypical girly girl. Dad let me be myself, and that's why I've always been more of a daddy's girl. That being said, I'd have loved for lego to come in ALL colors. I also had an EZBake oven, barbies etc, and a tool set of my own too. I feel that because of my dad's advocacy for things not girly that I had a much more well-rounded childhood.

/thanks Daddy!
 
2013-06-30 08:07:00 AM  

Krieghund: You pick out the box of Legos because it has a picture of what the kid wants to build on the front. Then they build whatever out of it.

/got my kid the "Forest Ranger Police Station"
//It's mega awesome, I can't wait to open it.


You're making me want to buy Legos, and I don't even have the 'kid' excuse...
 
2013-06-30 08:08:29 AM  

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
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Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
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Motherf*cking bookmarked, holmes. Time for a trip to father-in-laws woodshop.
 
2013-06-30 08:09:57 AM  
The only thing I don't like about the lego friends sets is that they changed the mini figs.  Everything else I'm cool with.
 
2013-06-30 08:13:30 AM  
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I'll just leave this here
 
2013-06-30 08:13:40 AM  
"Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?"

I don't think the parents are the ones insisting on 'em, Subby.
 
2013-06-30 08:15:17 AM  
Am I the only person annoyed by the sight of the term Legos?
//AFAIK One LEGO Brick, Two LEGO Bricks (not 2 LEGOS)
 
2013-06-30 08:24:07 AM  

TheOtherDub: Am I the only person annoyed by the sight of the term Legos?
//AFAIK One LEGO Brick, Two LEGO Bricks (not 2 LEGOS)


LEGO my EGGO.

Sit on that and spin!
 
2013-06-30 08:44:22 AM  

GoSlash27: "Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?"

I don't think the parents are the ones insisting on 'em, Subby.


You'd be surprised.
 
2013-06-30 08:51:19 AM  

TheOtherDub: Am I the only person annoyed by the sight of the term Legos?
//AFAIK One LEGO Brick, Two LEGO Bricks (not 2 LEGOS)


It is kind of strange that of all the brand names we do this to, only "LEGO" people care.
 
2013-06-30 08:52:19 AM  
Apparently, NPR thinks females are incapable of making their own decisions.  They feel they need to micro-analyse every little thing they do or say and spendhuge chunks of their resources trying to force women to:

Go into job markets men predominantly like even though women are pouring into plenty of fields they like (like medicine).

Do things men predominantly do like sports and 'normal' colored toys. (Why?)

Meanwhile they never seem to care a single bit about anything affecting men (like the rapid decline of men going to college).

I think this kind of sexism (and the HUGE scope of it on their stations) makes them seem like a photo negative of Rush Limburger.
 
2013-06-30 08:54:53 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: TheOtherDub: Am I the only person annoyed by the sight of the term Legos?
//AFAIK One LEGO Brick, Two LEGO Bricks (not 2 LEGOS)

It is kind of strange that of all the brand names we do this to, only "LEGO" people care.

Aye. To me, it's as natural as Sheep and Sheep
 
2013-06-30 08:57:14 AM  

GoSlash27: "Why do girls need to play with special purple and pink Legos instead of the regular Lego sets? Are parents of girls that scared to buy regular sets?"

I don't think the parents are the ones insisting on 'em, Subby.


That's the case in my house.  It was my daughter's idea to get the Lego Friends sets.  Before they came out she was wondering why legos were mostly boy style.  She stilled played with her bro's legos buy really likes the animals and girl figures.
 
2013-06-30 09:00:36 AM  
For what it's worth, my 2 1/2 year old son loves his pink princess shopping cart, and who am I to get all derpish over the color pink? He also loves to cook, help with house work, and happily shares, so I'd say I'm doing something right.
 
2013-06-30 09:04:49 AM  

DoctorCal: We mostly had Lincoln Logs at home.


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We did too.  Every Lincoln Log session ended with blowing up our structures with a lever/fulcrum made from a small log and a flat green roof slab. We'd place one end under whatever we built, count down to the explosion and smack down on the other end. Now that I remember it, some structures were robust enough that we'd end up breaking the lever.
 
2013-06-30 09:05:24 AM  
I coach a Girl Scout sponsored FIRST LEGO League team -- the girls are all 11ish and they've got no problems playing with the standard LEGO.  :)

They got 3rd place in Qualifying Tournament (out of 24 teams) and they were the only all-girl team at state.
 
2013-06-30 09:12:23 AM  

TheOtherDub: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: TheOtherDub: Am I the only person annoyed by the sight of the term Legos?
//AFAIK One LEGO Brick, Two LEGO Bricks (not 2 LEGOS)

It is kind of strange that of all the brand names we do this to, only "LEGO" people care.
Aye. To me, it's as natural as Sheep and Sheep


Or Toyotas, iPhones, Macs, Cokes, Nikes...

LEGO ought to be happy they're such a household name in "bricks", considering they blatantly ripped off the whole idea in the first place.
 
2013-06-30 09:15:10 AM  
I might have thought poorly of this before I met my niece. I was dead set to point her on a geeky path but I got very little traction before 8. Until then she was dead set on the fufu stuff with no obvious strong influence that direction. Making blocks pink would have gotten the purchase for her.
 
2013-06-30 09:19:34 AM  
Just do what my brother did for my niece.

She likes Brave, so he bought a bunch of Castle/Medieval Legos and said here's your Brave Legos.

She loves them.

Of course she later asked for Friends Legos so I bought her some for her Birthday.
 
2013-06-30 09:33:41 AM  

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]

Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
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I would pay a LOT of money to have one of those. that is seriously awesome....
 
2013-06-30 09:34:01 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


Yeah!  Fluck whoremoans!
 
2013-06-30 09:50:20 AM  

Canton: On the one hand, no, Lego doesn't need to market "girl" Legos. On the other hand, I kinda dig this workshop. Especially the robot.

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I sort of kicked myself for not buying that set for my daughter to have when she's older.  But then I realized that with the "regular" Lego I already have, she can build Olivia a much larger and better laboratory, with a much better robot, possibly incorporating chainsaws.  Or of course, anything else she wants to.
 
2013-06-30 10:00:21 AM  

AJisaff: I would pay a LOT of money to have one of those. that is seriously awesome....


After I was done, I thought about selling them, but I didn't know what to charge.  The materials were just one sheet of 3/4" high quality birch ply and that trim I ran around the edge.  Probably about $75 for the wood, and then the bin.

How much are we talking about here?  I may be convinced to make some more.
 
2013-06-30 10:10:04 AM  

JonZoidberg: AJisaff: I would pay a LOT of money to have one of those. that is seriously awesome....

After I was done, I thought about selling them, but I didn't know what to charge.  The materials were just one sheet of 3/4" high quality birch ply and that trim I ran around the edge.  Probably about $75 for the wood, and then the bin.

How much are we talking about here?  I may be convinced to make some more.


Well how long did it take you to make it? What are you willing to work for per hour?
 
2013-06-30 10:12:03 AM  
I grew up with the white and red Legos so it wasn't until last year, when my daughter was 6, that I discovered that Lego made "girly" Legos. I will say that it was surprising to me. And it irritated me a bit. It just seems a bit off.

That being said, she and I have since built a metropolis out of all types of Legos. The "Friends", "City" and "Creator" series are our favorites. Our discussions while building are priceless.

When she asked for the Lego Friends "Beauty Shop", I balked. Big time. I don't even know why. It just seemed over the line to me. So I bought two. One to build and one for her keepsake box. I had a hunch the girl-marketed Legos would become a controversial issue so I figured she can pawn that thing off some day in its pristine condition. I think I picked the most "huh?" set to duplicate.

I think "outrage" over this is nonsense but as a parent, we do think about these things. We don't want our daughters pigeonholed to the Beauty Shop while the boys are building airplanes or fighting fires. We, or rather me, do both with my daughters in order to compensate for the marketing spiel.
 
2013-06-30 10:13:12 AM  

JonZoidberg: AJisaff: I would pay a LOT of money to have one of those. that is seriously awesome....

After I was done, I thought about selling them, but I didn't know what to charge.  The materials were just one sheet of 3/4" high quality birch ply and that trim I ran around the edge.  Probably about $75 for the wood, and then the bin.

How much are we talking about here?  I may be convinced to make some more.


I dunno!  it's worth more than I can afford... I think the main problem would be how to get it to me, as I live very north in the Great White North.  it is possible that I could buy a copy of the plans from you and beg one of my closer -woodworking savvy friends to build it for me?
I just love the hole in the top for easy cleanup... we were going to buy my daughter the lower square train table and fit it with lego sheets, but there is no storage area in it.
anyway..  I think it's awesome, and I want one.  my daughter is six, has all the friends sets as well as several others including pirate ships.  if I had my way I would hide all the my little pony and littlest petshop crap and she would play with lego, her microscope and craft stuff exclusively... but she loves it all.  I just find I can actually relate and play with her when she plays lego.
 
2013-06-30 10:22:01 AM  
Oh, fer crying out loud, will these SJWs just STOP already?  Companies exist to make money.  If 90% of your money comes from one demographic, maybe you should sell things to that demographic that they like.  Should you try to increase sales to the other 10%?  Sure, but not at the expense of losing your other customers that put money in the bank.  I'm sure Lego values their current customers and aren't going to go bankrupt to satisfy some whiners.
 
2013-06-30 10:27:07 AM  

brokenscissor: I grew up with the white and red Legos so it wasn't until last year, when my daughter was 6, that I discovered that Lego made "girly" Legos. I will say that it was surprising to me. And it irritated me a bit. It just seems a bit off.

That being said, she and I have since built a metropolis out of all types of Legos. The "Friends", "City" and "Creator" series are our favorites. Our discussions while building are priceless.

When she asked for the Lego Friends "Beauty Shop", I balked. Big time. I don't even know why. It just seemed over the line to me. So I bought two. One to build and one for her keepsake box. I had a hunch the girl-marketed Legos would become a controversial issue so I figured she can pawn that thing off some day in its pristine condition. I think I picked the most "huh?" set to duplicate.

I think "outrage" over this is nonsense but as a parent, we do think about these things. We don't want our daughters pigeonholed to the Beauty Shop while the boys are building airplanes or fighting fires. We, or rather me, do both with my daughters in order to compensate for the marketing spiel.


So, you're outraged that your girl likes...uh girl things?  I figured that out when my daughter wasn't remotely interested in my son's toys (e.g., blocks and cars) and wanted to play with dolls and plush animals.  It's almost like biology has something to do with preferences...kind of like jobs in nursing, child care, and social work.  Imagine that.
 
2013-06-30 10:27:33 AM  
Nobody was stopping girls from playing with regular Lego Sets. Nobody. Hell, in my toys-r-us, they were in the aisle directly next to the Barbies. Girls saw them, and said 'fark that shiat' and walked passed. Don't blame the product.

In the bigger picture, why the fark can't some special interest groups just admit that men and women truly do have differences? This 'equality on all fronts' PC crap is the reason useless articles like this get written. And its usually other women who get pissy-pants when another women chooses to do something seen as 'traditional' for women to do, like play with pink toys and not a big red fire engine.
 
2013-06-30 10:40:23 AM  
They have ruined legos since I was a kid, anyway.

Seems that every set is now just a bunch of large single-purpose pieces.

Just give me the city street plates and a bunch of random bricks and people, so my kids can play with them properly.
 
2013-06-30 10:50:40 AM  
Its blocks, they are gender neutral unless you get some marketing bs involved.
 
2013-06-30 10:55:03 AM  

BMFPitt: They have ruined legos since I was a kid, anyway.

Seems that every set is now just a bunch of large single-purpose pieces.

Just give me the city street plates and a bunch of random bricks and people, so my kids can play with them properly.


I thought the same thing, but how it actually works for us is: build it according to the instructions once, play with it, then take it apart and mix the pieces into your giant Lego bin and use them for whatever you want for the rest of their existence. The thing on the front of the box probably never gets built again. Those sets have some cool bits and pieces in them that actually spur creativity, and it doesn't hurt a kid to try following a set of instructions once in a blue moon--throws a rare bit of pre-model-building fun into the Lego play.
 
2013-06-30 10:57:19 AM  
Lego. Not "legos". It's a mass noun. You have a bucket of Lego. Not a bucket of legos.

/facial tic
//twitching eye
 
2013-06-30 11:01:43 AM  
One of the things that is a pro about the sets is that they teach you basic building skills. My daughter can build nearly any vehicle in a flash. She understands the structure: chassis, axles, frame, body. Makes her creative building that much better in that she thinks about "what else can I do?"
 
2013-06-30 11:04:00 AM  

CluelessMoron: Lego. Not "legos". It's a mass noun. You have a bucket of Lego. Not a bucket of legos.

/facial tic
//twitching eye


Hey, there's at least one other person in this thread that gives a sh*t about such matters, so you're not alone. (It's not me.)
 
2013-06-30 11:07:37 AM  
I loved Legos as a kid, but I was particularly obsessed with the sets with horses (they usually came with Native Americans?). As a little girls, I loved all things that involved horses. Plus my favorite color was purple, a pretty girl color. I don't really understand why it is so hard to just let your kids have the toys they like instead of trying to analyze their decisions and try to force them into a toy that you think is going to make them a more successful adult.
 
2013-06-30 11:09:33 AM  
I bought my four nieces Legos sets for xmas and added a 5 piece set of female mini-fig hair. *dusts hands* instant girl mini-figs.
 
2013-06-30 11:25:39 AM  
There are generic sets still available on the lego website.  Check out the Deluxe Brick Box, the Basic Bricks Deluxe, or the Large Brick Box.

I still remember the one that I got that was packaged in a tray and inside a cardboard box, built many things with that one.  My most favorite production was a piggy bank made in the shape of a house.  Used that as a piggy bank for a long time.
 
2013-06-30 11:34:41 AM  
As foolish as it may seem to the childless folks, when I became a parent, I began to consider these things. I want my children to experience everything possible. And to do so without hesitation. To experience things without hesitation means I don't want to teach them stereotypes. Just as I don't want to teach them other preconceived prejudices. I don't dwell on this issue, like I said, I consider it. It is part of the job.
 
2013-06-30 12:03:25 PM  

worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.


Know how we all know you don't have children?
 
2013-06-30 12:07:20 PM  

Digitalstrange: worlddan: randomjsa:  If your daughter wants the castle or the space station, then buy it. If she wants the 'doll house' looking thing, that's fine too. So what?

Children's minds are a blank slate, they only know what they have been programmed to know by their sexist, illiterate parents who either consciously or unconsciously set them up to be victimized by patriarchy.

Know how we all know you don't have children?


That's whats so funny about all this. A bunch of mediocre, childless graduate students are the ones claiming that "gender is a social construct", not, you know, the people who actually have children (you may call them parents, but I call them "Patriarchal Oppressors!"). It would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn pathetic.
 
2013-06-30 12:50:07 PM  
That reminds me...
Looking for a book for my niece, I saw a DK Lego sticker book recently full of 'CITY' images,
and out of the hundred occupations & people shown, only 3 were female.

/thought I should write the company about that - now feel I should
//next they'll prob develop a pink book of SUBURB people full of only girls *sigh*
 
2013-06-30 12:53:47 PM  
What I really wish was around when I was an anklebiter:
a.tgcdn.net

/but only 'cause there's no Pelennor Fields set
 
2013-06-30 12:54:03 PM  

Ilmarinen: /it is a 2 way street, as proved by the existence of transsexuals, and the matter is far from sorted out, or understood at all


Ummmm..... transexuals prove that gender roles are societal, otherwise boys would always be boys and girls would always be girls. There's no "Girls like pink gene" or "Boy prefer guns genotype". Unfortunately, our society is so locked into gender roles that when someone tries to breech the divide they are at best labeled a nancy-boy or a tom-girl and at worst are classified by psychologists as transexuals or transgendered people  and given drugs, hormones and surgery to make sure their bodies conform to society' expectations for their behavior.
 
2013-06-30 12:56:07 PM  

brigid_fitch: Growing up, there were "girl" Legos.  They were called LEGOS.

/So tired of the "shrink it and pink it" mentality.
//I used to play with my brother's GI Joe dolls because they were way cooler than my Barbies.  He had sled dogs.  I had inflatable furniture.


They still have those. They now have additional sets that have flowers and houses and pets and different people.

Turns out, lots of girls who aren't interested in the regular sets like the new ones.

Why is it so terrible that a company spent years and millions of dollars researching what actual girls actually want and then have it to them instead of just assuming that a few middle aged men know what girls want to play with?
 
2013-06-30 12:58:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"


Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.
 
2013-06-30 01:08:14 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.


[citation needed]
 
2013-06-30 01:15:07 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.


I think we found one of those mediocre childless grad students someone else was talking about.
 
2013-06-30 01:18:51 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Ilmarinen: /it is a 2 way street, as proved by the existence of transsexuals, and the matter is far from sorted out, or understood at all

Ummmm..... transexuals prove that gender roles are societal, otherwise boys would always be boys and girls would always be girls. There's no "Girls like pink gene" or "Boy prefer guns genotype". Unfortunately, our society is so locked into gender roles that when someone tries to breech the divide they are at best labeled a nancy-boy or a tom-girl and at worst are classified by psychologists as transexuals or transgendered people  and given drugs, hormones and surgery to make sure their bodies conform to society' expectations for their behavior.


Alternately, most transexuals prove our tolerance for narcissism and confusion.
 
2013-06-30 01:42:45 PM  
The LEGO is sexist group ought to team up with the LEGO is racist group (you know because the Star Wars set portrays muslims as terrorists, slavetraders and something about the mosque which is rather vague.     Actually. Shouldn't they be happy that there's a LEGO mosque set? Anyways...)
 
2013-06-30 02:01:32 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.


So children should be raised by genderless robots?
 
2013-06-30 02:02:37 PM  

rustypouch: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

So children should be raised by genderless robots?


vive la différence
 
2013-06-30 02:23:27 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

[citation needed]


Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality: Contemporary psychological perspectives. London: Taylor & Francis.

Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe. For one thing.... babies soak up everything they observe and make their own decisions about what's appropriate behavior. Thing is, once they make a decision about what's appropriate they are stubborn little shiats and lock into that behavior. This appears to be why early abuse and exposure to violence is so damaging to a child, once they classify it as "appropriate" behavior its almost impossible to get them to change.
 
2013-06-30 02:28:11 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe.


Raising babies in a lab is "normal"?
 
2013-06-30 02:32:26 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


Which is why you obviously don't have anyone who is transgendered.
 
2013-06-30 02:34:57 PM  

ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

This story is just one of literally piles and piles of evidence showing that gender roles are to some extent inherent. I know that's inconvenient but it's true.


Yeah there is definitely a nature aspect to gender roles its not all human culture. If you put a bunch of GI joes and Barbies in with a group of Gorillas or Chimps the males play with GI joes and the females play with Barbies even though they are not humans or exposed to human culture.
 
2013-06-30 02:40:42 PM  

Oldiron_79: ELKAY: whenever I hear that gender roles are completely social I am reminded of the case of Bruce Reimer, who was born a boy and after a botched circumcision was raised as a little girl, his parents were told that since gender roles are societal the infant would have no trouble adusting.

Wrong,

This kids life was miserable. He always felt off and eventually had a sex change to become male again.

This story is just one of literally piles and piles of evidence showing that gender roles are to some extent inherent. I know that's inconvenient but it's true.

Yeah there is definitely a nature aspect to gender roles its not all human culture. If you put a bunch of GI joes and Barbies in with a group of Gorillas or Chimps the males play with GI joes and the females play with Barbies even though they are not humans or exposed to human culture.


Is that because Lord Xenu engineered all apes to conform to human gender toy stereotypes or because the thetans attached to the apes prefer different toys based on their previous corporeal  gender?
 
2013-06-30 03:00:04 PM  
men and women have different proportions of the color and movement detecting cells behind the retina called P and T cells. this accounts for many different preferences in play. colors are literally more stimulating to a girl than to a boy. movement is literally more stimulating to a boy. innate genetic differences are the reason.
source: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Gender-Matters-Teachers-Differences/dp/0767 9 16255

i1172.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-30 03:41:23 PM  

WhippingBoy: Arthur Jumbles: Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe.

Raising babies in a lab is "normal"?


Hey man, watching 120 babies in a lab totally disproves thousands of years of parental experience. It's science.
 
2013-06-30 04:12:15 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: WhippingBoy: Arthur Jumbles: Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe.

Raising babies in a lab is "normal"?

Hey man, watching 120 babies in a lab totally disproves thousands of years of parental experience. It's science.


It doesn't disprove it, it does point out where it is flawed, where it is incomplete, and then attempts to fill in those gaps.

And there are not thousands of years of parental experience. People have been having parental experiences for thousands of years, but they aren't cumulative.
 
2013-06-30 04:35:55 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

[citation needed]

Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality: Contemporary psychological perspectives. London: Taylor & Francis.

Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe. For one thing.... babies soak up everything they observe and make their own decisions about what's appropriate behavior. Thing is, once they make a decision about what's appropriate they are stubborn little shiats and lock into that behavior. This appears to be why early abuse and exposure to violence is so damaging to a child, once they classify it as "appropriate" behavior its almost impossible to get them to change.


sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.
 
2013-06-30 04:51:12 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: Arthur Jumbles: omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

[citation needed]

Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality: Contemporary psychological perspectives. London: Taylor & Francis.

Once you watch over 120 babies between the ages of 6 to 18 months in a lab for a year you get a much better understanding of what "normal" infant behavior is than parents who only have their own child to observe. For one thing.... babies soak up everything they observe and make their own decisions about what's appropriate behavior. Thing is, once they make a decision about what's appropriate they are stubborn little shiats and lock into that behavior. This appears to be why early abuse and exposure to violence is so damaging to a child, once they classify it as "appropriate" behavior its almost impossible to get them to change.

sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.


But that doesn't support my world-view so it must be wrong.
 
2013-06-30 04:53:47 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.


Yes, they will. I've heard plenty of parents in a discussion of gender norms and boys versus girls talk about how their kids behave. How their girl naturally likes pink so much, even before she could learn that it is a "girly" color. Which is interesting since the idea of pink for girls is a very recent concept. Quite simply parents will often underestimate how much an infant can observe and learn about their surroundings long before they can speak.

And people aren't generally arguing that boys and girls are literally 100% exactly the same. It's a bit more complicated. Which differences are "hard coded", so to speak, and which are learned? On top of that there are issues about how prevalent or absolute some of those difference are (for example, physically, the average height for men is taller than the average height for women. But there are plenty of women that are taller than men and men that are shorter than women).
 
2013-06-30 05:21:55 PM  

MoonPirate: My daughter who is 11 doesn't like the girly ones. She decided on her own it was blatant marketing crap.


They suck anyway. There is very little building involved (walls tend to be solid/prebuilt, etc).
 
2013-06-30 05:31:21 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is so dumb. I don't understand why everything needs to be so clearly defined for boys or girls, like our entire cultural psyche hangs in the balance. I don't even want to bother... I'm going to take a shower with my Old Spice soap, smoke some Marlboros, and have a nightcap of something harsh, bitter, and burning. Like a real man.

You ever consider that things are separated for boys and girls because its what they want?

When I was a kid, we had one Lego set, and it had the same shiat in it. I would build halfass army bases and soldiers. My sister would build halfass castles and princesses.

Now, they make cool military Lego sets and cool princess Lego sets, so why shouldn't boys and girls be able to take advantage of what they want?

You idiots act like boys and girl act the way they do because of some it's what society expects, when in fact it's the exact opposite.


And where does this leave the kids who don't conform? Boys who want pink legos and girls who want star destroyers are told pretty blatantly by their peers, marketers, and the world at large that something is wrong with them. Gender roles are confining. Girls can choose pink, but pink shouldn't just be for girls. Any individual should be able to fall anywhere on the spectrum without all this rigid nonsense.
 
2013-06-30 05:34:52 PM  

TheOmni: GF named my left testicle thundercles: sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.

Yes, they will. I've heard plenty of parents in a discussion of gender norms and boys versus girls talk about how their kids behave. How their girl naturally likes pink so much, even before she could learn that it is a "girly" color. Which is interesting since the idea of pink for girls is a very recent concept. Quite simply parents will often underestimate how much an infant can observe and learn about their surroundings long before they can speak.

And people aren't generally arguing that boys and girls are literally 100% exactly the same. It's a bit more complicated. Which differences are "hard coded", so to speak, and which are learned? On top of that there are issues about how prevalent or absolute some of those difference are (for example, physically, the average height for men is taller than the average height for women. But there are plenty of women that are taller than men and men that are shorter than women).


Wait till you finally see a girl naked. It'll blow your freakin' mind.
 
2013-06-30 05:35:20 PM  

TheOmni: GF named my left testicle thundercles: sorry dude, parents that have raised boys and girls or observe the children of other parents will all tell you that boys and girls are just different. and when you start getting into biology and medicine (real sciences unlike sociology) it will tell you that the brain structures and cell structures of boys and girls are markedly different and that these differences are present at birth, and many are derived directly from genetics. there are proteins in the nervous system that are directly coded by the Y chromosome.

Yes, they will. I've heard plenty of parents in a discussion of gender norms and boys versus girls talk about how their kids behave. How their girl naturally likes pink so much, even before she could learn that it is a "girly" color. Which is interesting since the idea of pink for girls is a very recent concept. Quite simply parents will often underestimate how much an infant can observe and learn about their surroundings long before they can speak.

And people aren't generally arguing that boys and girls are literally 100% exactly the same. It's a bit more complicated. Which differences are "hard coded", so to speak, and which are learned? On top of that there are issues about how prevalent or absolute some of those difference are (for example, physically, the average height for men is taller than the average height for women. But there are plenty of women that are taller than men and men that are shorter than women).


Exactly! Lots of what parents assume are biological behavioral traits, like the preference of boys for the colour blue and pink for girls, are learned. Other traits, like the preference for boys to like fast moving things, seems to be inherent and based on unique difference between the eyes of men and women. What science can teach us that generations of parents can't is which traits are actually biologically based and which are culturally transmitted and what the variance is.
 
2013-06-30 05:36:25 PM  
Welcome to reality: boys and girls are different.  Some folks need to just accept that.  The wackier feminists can pretend all they want that it isn't so, but it is.
 
2013-06-30 05:48:55 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.


This sounds logical on the surface but neglects that fathers also partake in child care and says nothing about single fathers/mothers raising daughters/sons.
 
2013-06-30 06:24:11 PM  

Gergesa: Arthur Jumbles: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think part of it is societal expectations, but I've also been around enough kids to know that even one year old girls love baby dolls and will go nuts "caring" for them, while the boys are off in the corner hitting shiat with fake swords.

Yeah, if there's anything 4 year old kids are concerned with, it's "societal expectations"

Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

This sounds logical on the surface but neglects that fathers also partake in child care and says nothing about single fathers/mothers raising daughters/sons.


This.

Also.  No matter what society thinks of as a girl's color, what she ultimately likes is her preference.  What people decide they like is what they like, and will almost never be changed.

Same way you can't influence children to be gay or straight, that's just what they are.

The only exception to the rule of taste: Association conditioning such as torture and shock therapy, or a more accidental but equally jarring experience.  If I'm eating a hamburger and I hit a bone, it may turn my stomach(sometimes this is enough to drive people off, that association), but I may continue eating it after having spit the bone out.  It may take finding a whole rat's tail in the food.  Or simple food poisoning that makes you throw up so much you don't want a hamburger again for a long long time.

Etc.  We can destroy "likes" in this way, or at least sully them to the point where it's painful to partake of that(a matter of semantics here), but we cannot convince people to like that which they do not.  If you dislike the taste of warm piss, odds are, you'll never fall into liking it.

We do have a mechanism where we get a thrill from unpleasant experiences(ultra spicy foods), but that is not the same as genuine appreciation.  We like the rush, and associate the rush with the food.  But if we somehow managed to neurally block that rush, that adrenaline/endorphine(whatever) response, we would incur an instant dislike for that food, because it's not food at that point, it's pure white hot pain.

You can manipulate the system, but you really cannot change it.  If a girl likes pink, it is not because she "learned" to, it's because she likes it.

Now, it may be that we are just now coming to a final truth, after faddish trial and error over centuries, most boys like blue, most girls like pink.   Or maybe it's a sea green and pink.  Maybe it's more of a forest green and purple thing.  But we're probably pretty close.  You've got to remember, previously in history, there wasn't as much variety or pigment readily available.  Now that we're in the time of plenty, maybe it's just that natural tendency finally showing through, now that they have choices available to them.  We're not using adult fashion sense to press on them, we're letting them choose.

That's the remarkably genius side affect of marketing and ad companies.  They know what sells, period.  Sure, they flop now and again because some upstart had a retarded idea but was convincing, but in general, pink really sells well to young girls.

A bunch of greedy analyzing and manipulative bastards they may be, they gave us a structure to really grab some useful information for studying within the scope of psychology and sociology.

What sells to men?
Boobs, of course.  Gadgets, things that (supposedly)do things.

Women. Things that feel good and look nice, things that don't do much but sit there, but they sit there so well.

/over generalization but it's accurate enough for the concept

We all have our tastes, some girls like blue, big deal.  We're just noting popular tendencies.

*shrugs*
 
2013-06-30 07:09:43 PM  

ramblinwreck: brokenscissor: I grew up with the white and red Legos so it wasn't until last year, when my daughter was 6, that I discovered that Lego made "girly" Legos. I will say that it was surprising to me. And it irritated me a bit. It just seems a bit off.

That being said, she and I have since built a metropolis out of all types of Legos. The "Friends", "City" and "Creator" series are our favorites. Our discussions while building are priceless.

When she asked for the Lego Friends "Beauty Shop", I balked. Big time. I don't even know why. It just seemed over the line to me. So I bought two. One to build and one for her keepsake box. I had a hunch the girl-marketed Legos would become a controversial issue so I figured she can pawn that thing off some day in its pristine condition. I think I picked the most "huh?" set to duplicate.

I think "outrage" over this is nonsense but as a parent, we do think about these things. We don't want our daughters pigeonholed to the Beauty Shop while the boys are building airplanes or fighting fires. We, or rather me, do both with my daughters in order to compensate for the marketing spiel.

So, you're outraged that your girl likes...uh girl things?  I figured that out when my daughter wasn't remotely interested in my son's toys (e.g., blocks and cars) and wanted to play with dolls and plush animals.  It's almost like biology has something to do with preferences...kind of like jobs in nursing, child care, and social work.  Imagine that.


Yes because it's all about biology and the barrage of images and experiences every kid gets enforcing that some things are "for girls" and some are "for boys" has nothing to do with it.  Neither do the preconceived notions of parents, relatives and other adults.

I was never a big fan of dolls.  I usually had wilderness adventures or dinosaur battles.   My parents accepted this, but I remember older relatives making a point of buying them for me even when I asked for other things and seeming disappointed when I didn't play with them.  Some of them would question me "Why don't you like your dolls?" with that "something is wrong" tone of voice that I probably didn't understand but definitely picked up enough on to remember.  I remember other parents finding my behavior amusing and again there was often a small undercurrent of "what you're doing is strange.  What Jill is doing is normal".  None of these people were mean to me or ever outright criticized what I was doing, but I understood that they felt I was unusual and not in a good way.  I think because my parents were supportive and I was kind of stubborn about being "weird", it never altered how I acted.  However, kids pick up on these things and many who might be interested in both kinds of toys probably just do what they "should" to avoid drawing that kind of attention to themselves.

Swinging the pendulum in the opposite way and exposing them in an encouraging way to things not normally viewed as "girl toys" might help them understand that their interest isn't weird or wrong.  As long as parents are clear about accepting what they're interested in regardless, I think it's a good thing.
 
Ook
2013-06-30 07:21:12 PM  
I assume a lot of this is the advertising, parents, and other kids have been saying that lego is for boys for a while now. When I was a kid we had a big bucket of garage-sale purchased lego bricks and my brother and I both built cars, houses, and skyscrapers. It didn't start becoming a problem until one Christmas when both our grandmothers bought me dolls and him a lego set and this enormous 3d puzzle, and he wouldn't let me touch them (which annoyed me no end, he hates puzzles, never assembled it, lost most of the pieces, whereas I adore puzzles and the 3d ones were too expensive for me to buy). It spread from there to the point where he asserted the lego were boy's toys, and when we moved my parents put them all in the toy box in his room (we'd been sharing a room until we were 5&7).

While having these sets would have possibly made the grandmother who bought lego sets decide to buy one for me and one for him, I would still probably never have gotten ones as cool as his (why did no one think to make a pink milennium falcon?), and it would have been even more rigidly "pink lego for girls, everything else for boys".
 
2013-06-30 07:48:05 PM  

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.


That's rad dude.
 
2013-06-30 09:28:46 PM  

dfenstrate: CluelessMoron: Lego. Not "legos". It's a mass noun. You have a bucket of Lego. Not a bucket of legos.

/facial tic
//twitching eye

Hey, there's at least one other person in this thread that gives a sh*t about such matters, so you're not alone. (It's not me.)


Yeah, but given the Lego Love in this thread I can't complain too much.

But still: folks; it's Lego. one brick or a thousand, it's just called Lego.   Just like sheep.
 
2013-06-30 10:16:16 PM  
Arthur Jumbles:
Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

How does a little baby girl know she's the same gender as her mother?
Does her mother show her her vagina at some point and then point out that the dad hasn't got one?
Based on physical appearance alone any child would assume the actions and characteristics of the father because the mother of any child usually has noticeable breasts and babies and their dads don't have them(usually).
Also babies have very limited Proprioception so they don't know what they look like for the most part anyway.
 
2013-06-30 10:29:00 PM  

Actor_au: Arthur Jumbles:
Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

How does a little baby girl know she's the same gender as her mother?
Does her mother show her her vagina at some point and then point out that the dad hasn't got one?
Based on physical appearance alone any child would assume the actions and characteristics of the father because the mother of any child usually has noticeable breasts and babies and their dads don't have them(usually).
Also babies have very limited Proprioception so they don't know what they look like for the most part anyway.


From a linguistic standpoint they notice that they are referred to using the same pronouns. From a visual standpoint they do see themselves naked and notice differences between when they see their parents and siblings naked. Among other mammals pheromones also play an important role and its know that humans respond to these chemicals too so they may play a role, although that's just speculation on my part and not based on research like the linguistic and visual observations that infants are known to make.
 
2013-06-30 10:40:34 PM  

Actor_au: ?


I get the clue that he does not know how babby is formed, much less learned.

In his example, you could sub in boy for girl, because the mom was still the typical primary care giver, and look how many boys really fall into that pattern.

Also, typical one year olds are not caring for dolls.  At that age they're barely capable of feeding themselves and just beginning the transition from crawling to walking, maybe.  "Toys" are things clutched or thrown or chewed on. The toys go through two states at that point "Do Not Want, and Want based on passing whim and how interesting they are(soft/hard or light/heavy and/or tastes good, well, tastes, so may as well keep it in my face hole).Beyond that, they don't give two shiats about them or understand much of anything about them.
 
2013-06-30 10:46:33 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: From a visual standpoint they do see themselves naked and notice differences between when they see their parents and siblings naked.


You're talking about gender awareness which can begin to happen at age 2-3, not 1.

Seriously dude, you're screwing up enough facts which can be easily attained with google, give it up, we know you're pulling this crap directly from your fudge factory.
 
2013-07-01 12:32:14 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: From a visual standpoint they do see themselves naked and notice differences between when they see their parents and siblings naked.

You're talking about gender awareness which can begin to happen at age 2-3, not 1.

Seriously dude, you're screwing up enough facts which can be easily attained with google, give it up, we know you're pulling this crap directly from your fudge factory.


Please don't rely upon Google for up to date scientific information, it tends to reflect the general assumptions and stereotypes of the public at large. If you would like to read a general review of gender development that's a little bit more accurate than what you picked up in your undergraduate psych classes take a look at  Patterns of Gender Development by Martin & Ruble (2010). You'll find that children's gender awareness develops much earlier then we once thought.
 
2013-07-01 12:58:39 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: Please don't rely upon Google for up to date scientific information


Arthur Jumbles: Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality


Lulz
 
2013-07-01 01:20:00 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Please don't rely upon Google for up to date scientific information

Arthur Jumbles: Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality

Lulz

Patterns of Gender Development

 by Martin & Ruble (2010)
 
2013-07-01 01:34:28 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Please don't rely upon Google for up to date scientific information

Arthur Jumbles: Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality

Lulz

Patterns of Gender Development by Martin & Ruble (2010)


Stilly hypocrisy, it's ok for you to reach back 19 years, but not me.  you didn't offer the 2010 until you attempted to establish some playground rule that amounts to "whatever allows me to win".

And, I'm not sure a mere book title[either one] is a proper cite on fark.  I'll have to check my armchair doctorate.  Please, feel free to hold your breath and wait until the next available secretary, your post is important to us and we will get to it in due time.
 
2013-07-01 01:34:52 AM  

Strix occidentalis: What I really wish was around when I was an anklebiter:
[a.tgcdn.net image 600x472]

/but only 'cause there's no Pelennor Fields set


to be honest, i would't want many of the modern sets. I look at them from time to time, and yeah, they look cool, but, there are so many "this piece is custom only for this set" parts now, it takes the fun away. When 80% of a Lego set is one-off large custom pieces, what is the point?

I do still buy legos now, but only the Architecture sets

/Architect, and Lego is the reason.
//Them, and Lincoln Logs
 
2013-07-01 01:54:41 AM  
Arthur Jumbles: .........it in due time.
*tsh click*
Hello?   I'm sorry.  Our office has closed for the day, though we do really appreciate you waiting in anticipation to be proven wrong.  If you would like to stay on the line you are welcome to spam your refresh button until such a time as we will grant you the pleasure of responding to your post.  If you choose not to make a post, then by all means, please continue to furiously maturbate while crying, we won't judge.  Thank you for your obstinance, and please, do hesitate to call our troll free number. 1800EATADIK
 
2013-07-01 03:50:42 AM  

Actor_au: Arthur Jumbles:
Actually, learning how to operate in society is all that babies care about. The one year old girl loves caring for dolls because she has seen her mother being the primary caregiver for her and since she recognizes that she and her mother share the same gender she knows that carrying for children is one of her gender norms and she's practicing.

How does a little baby girl know she's the same gender as her mother?
Does her mother show her her vagina at some point and then point out that the dad hasn't got one?
Based on physical appearance alone any child would assume the actions and characteristics of the father because the mother of any child usually has noticeable breasts and babies and their dads don't have them(usually).
Also babies have very limited Proprioception so they don't know what they look like for the most part anyway.


I don't know how young children figure out gender, but I know it is something they think about. I have an obviously female appearing body and hair style, yet I've had children ask me if I'm a girl or a boy. If I ask them which I look like, they say 'girl'. When I ask them why they thought I might be a boy, they reply something along the lines of 'because you do boy things', (many of my hobbies and interests are stereotyped as 'masculine') and sometimes 'you wear boy's clothes', which I do wear wear jeans, t-shirts, hoodies and jackets in 'masculine' colors for the most part, with minimal or no makeup, and no nail polish or long nails, though I have skirts and heels too.

So, they clearly pick up that activities and objects are coded for 'girl' or 'boy', and that people's appearance is masculine or feminine, but they don't always understand which ones trumps which in terms of how a person should be perceived. I've had other women tell me this too, other women with masculine hobbies or traits, but women any adult could easily pick out as female, and with feminine features.
 
2013-07-01 09:12:06 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: 47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


[i162.photobucket.com image 363x310]

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.

Can he spot sarcasm?


Sometimes, but apparently my sarcasm detector was looking like this that day:


i162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-01 09:28:58 AM  

47 is the new 42: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gender roles are bullshiat. Which is why if you took a boy and a girl and raised them identically, they'd end up indistinguishable as adults. Everyone, regardless of genetic makeup, is exactly the same.


[i162.photobucket.com image 363x310]

I can assure you my brother and me are very different.



I think you missed it.
 
2013-07-01 09:45:14 AM  

Pangea: 47 is the new 42: I can assure you my brother and me are very different.


I think you missed it.


And then so did I
 
2013-07-01 10:36:41 AM  
My daughter is a girly-girl.  She likes dolls, princess dresses and stuffed animals.  I've tried to interest her in different things, with little to no success.  She took an interest in the new girl Legos when she saw they came with little animals.  I don't care that theyr'e mostly pink.  I don't care that they have "feminine" themes.  I don't care that they're different than the boys Leogs.  She has little interest in boys toys at all and if it took a few pink bricks or a tree house set instead of a castle to get her playing with them, I could care less. I'm just happy that she is playing with them and starting to build things on her own.
Why is everyone so concerned that girl Legos are different?  Kids are different.  My daughter doesn't want Harry Potter or Avengers or Deep Sea Diving Lego sets.  She wouldn't play with them even if there were no alternative.  All Lego has done is give her an option.  There is nothing that says she can't play with the other sets if she wants to.  She just chooses the ones that appeal to her.  I'm glad Lego came out with these because there was nothing sweeter than teaching her how to build and watching as she picked it up and took over.
 
2013-07-01 10:57:30 AM  

ignaps: My daughter is a girly-girl.  She likes dolls, princess dresses and stuffed animals.  I've tried to interest her in different things, with little to no success.  She took an interest in the new girl Legos when she saw they came with little animals.  I don't care that theyr'e mostly pink.  I don't care that they have "feminine" themes.  I don't care that they're different than the boys Leogs.  She has little interest in boys toys at all and if it took a few pink bricks or a tree house set instead of a castle to get her playing with them, I could care less. I'm just happy that she is playing with them and starting to build things on her own.
Why is everyone so concerned that girl Legos are different?  Kids are different.  My daughter doesn't want Harry Potter or Avengers or Deep Sea Diving Lego sets.  She wouldn't play with them even if there were no alternative.  All Lego has done is give her an option.  There is nothing that says she can't play with the other sets if she wants to.  She just chooses the ones that appeal to her.  I'm glad Lego came out with these because there was nothing sweeter than teaching her how to build and watching as she picked it up and took over.


People are upset because it contradicts their long-standing beliefs (I believe this is called cognitive dissonance, but I suck at English):
- the fact that we have "girl lego" and "boy lego" means your daughter has a choice with respect to what lego sets she wants to play with
- if she (and many girls like her) choose "girl lego" over "boy lego", that suggests (not proves) that girls brains and boys brains *may* be wired differently
- if boys brains and girls brains are indeed wired differently, then claims such as "boys are better than girls at math, girls are better at nurturing and caring" are not necessarily preposterous
- this in turn weakens the argument that "there are no differences between men and women"

The fear is that the above could be used to counter the argument that the only reason men are so privileged is due to the oppressive patriarchal society we live in, when in fact bona-fide differences in skills and abilities between the two genders may actually be a factor.

And *that* is why some people are so mortally terrified of "girl lego".
 
2013-07-01 11:18:39 AM  

JonZoidberg: I made my son a Lego table.  I'm pretty proud of the design.  We bought a big load of Duplo off eBay and I built the table around a large rubbermaid bin for them.  There's a slot in the center with rails that holds some square or rectangular platforms that can be removed to dump Lego in or retrieve them.  The plates are fastened down with really sticky putty called "museum putty" that isn't marking up the finish.  Someday, the Duplo plates and inserts can be replaced with standard Lego pieces of the same overall dimensions and the table can take some legs to raise it up a bit.

Here is the table, about ready to be finished:
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]

Here is the final product in use- The bin behind him is the brick storage and fits in the table.
[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x478]


I will pay you money for a copy of those plans. My EIP.  Just put "Lego" or "Fark" in the subject title.  (new father here)  If I don't hear from you I'll spend a while squinting at what you've got there and I'll figure it out.
/very cool!
//you should be proud!
 
2013-07-01 11:29:43 AM  
 WhippingBoy: The fear is that the above could be used to counter the argument that the only reason men are so privileged is due to the oppressive patriarchal society we live in, when in fact bona-fide differences in skills and abilities between the two genders may actually be a factor.

And *that* is why some people are so mortally terrified of "girl lego".


Additionally(or maybe just a paraphrase), the fear is there because they irrationally see a trend as a limiting factor, and that's not "equality", it's a threat, a restriction, and requires them then to disbelieve reality to uphold their odd notion of equality.

In reality, the statistics are irrelevant to the individual, are not a threat or limitation, merely a very rough approximation of potential.  Outliers happen all of the time, potential of the individual is not dictated.

Very akin to the gamblers fallacy.  One roll of the dice does not affect the other.   Even though dice rolls average to 3.5, 1s and 6s will happen quite often.
 
2013-07-01 01:07:57 PM  
When I was a kid I built things with sticks, cardboard and tape.  I'm fine with this.
 
2013-07-01 01:08:29 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: omeganuepsilon: Arthur Jumbles: Please don't rely upon Google for up to date scientific information

Arthur Jumbles: Siann, G. (1994). Gender, sex and sexuality

Lulz

Patterns of Gender Development by Martin & Ruble (2010)

Stilly hypocrisy, it's ok for you to reach back 19 years, but not me.  you didn't offer the 2010 until you attempted to establish some playground rule that amounts to "whatever allows me to win".

And, I'm not sure a mere book title[either one] is a proper cite on fark.  I'll have to check my armchair doctorate.  Please, feel free to hold your breath and wait until the next available secretary, your post is important to us and we will get to it in due time.


Some research is still relevant regardless of its age and Gerda's is an easy read, although in retrospect I should have picked a more cited work. I mentioned Martin & Ruble as a good primer on recent developments in gender research to show you that children start to create their gender identity much earlier than we previously thought. The Martin & Ruble's paper is also freely available on the web so anybody interested does not have to take my word for it but can look it up themselves. Providing citations is not a means to "win" an argument but is primarily done to educate; since relying on Google can mislead, as you doubt well have noticed.
 
2013-07-01 01:17:40 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: I mentioned Martin & Ruble as a good primer on recent developments in gender research to show you


You show nothing, you list a book title.

Here's an example.

Not Being an Asshat: For Dummies
All you ever needed to know to not be an asshat.
O.N.E.  (2013)

Now, even if that was a real book, I'm not showing you anything.  It is not a citation.

And as to the topic at hand, it is one source on a matter that's not concrete.  It's the author's best guess in a world where every author has a different best guess, many works contradict another work. It is not irrefutable proof or objective fact, it is what a couple of doctors drew from their observations.  And at that, it may be as genuine as how vaccines cause autism.

Either demonstrate logic and reasoning, or provide a real cite to accessible objective fact(ie a link).  for something as specialized as this where it's not common knowledge or the top X results, saying "google it" simply does not cut the mustard.

I googled it.  It said you farking blow.
 
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