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(Examiner)   Psychopaths run the world. EVERYONE PANIC... or whatever. I don't care   (examiner.com) divider line 24
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2013-06-30 02:33:05 AM
5 votes:
If you have enough wealth to live like a king for the next 200 years and you still feel the driving need to continue to accumulate more, you might not be a psychopath, but there's definitely something wrong with you.
2013-06-30 04:03:23 AM
4 votes:
All fairly obvious stuff - it's hardly a new observation. However:

"Madalyn Suozzo is a Natural Healing Coach and Vibrational Medicine teacher. Her 25 year background includes stem cell research, immune boosting through peak nutrition and attitude, and a comprehensive study of the human bio-field."

Oh do get farked.
2013-06-30 06:32:13 AM
3 votes:
Not only is this not new, it's not even old. In "Without Conscience", Robert Hare's seminal book on psychopathy (1993--now almost 20 years old), Hare was very careful to note that many of the individual traits that make a psychopath--glibness, manipulativeness, lack of empathy, need for excitement and control--are not only common in high level executives and politicians, they may be essential for someone who leads a large company or a large nation. You can't have a President or a CEO who isn't somewhat ruthless and controlling, amirite?

It's only, as Hare reiterates over and over again, when MOST or ALL of the traits appear in a single individual that you have a psychopath, and only when that individual has a very high level of intelligence that you have a dangerous psychopath. Martha Stout, in "The Sociopath Next Door" relates the tale of a low-IQ psychopath who met all Hare's criteria for psychopathy, whose need for control manifested itself in stealing stamps from the local post office. The same drive and focus Bernie Madoff used to create a 20-year Ponzi scheme, "Stamp Man" used....to steal postage stamps.

But just because someone is glib, superficial, manipulative or needs increasing levels of adrenaline in his or her life doesn't mean he or she is a psychopath. Only if he or she is ALL of these. And maybe even not then. What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?
2013-06-30 12:12:35 AM
3 votes:

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a good read that covers it a bit, and he stresses that you can't go around accusing everyone of being a psychopath just because you see one or two traits of it in them.
2013-06-29 11:59:54 PM
3 votes:
I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.
2013-06-29 09:08:55 PM
3 votes:
This explains the US House of Representatives.
2013-06-30 08:28:34 AM
2 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: The point of this article seems to be: why can't everybody be a completely gullible, social, feelings-communicating group-hugger? And my answer to that is: well, because we can't all be the same. The outliers will always be called something. And they might even have qualities that come in handy in some places in society.


We should put people in positions of power to care for our society (or company for that matter) and protect it above and beyond themselves if needed. Putting a psychopath in charge means we have failed and handed the reigns to a lunatic. GW probably wasn't a psychopath but, like Ronny Raygun, he was a puppet for psychopaths. The damage caused by just those two to the US will be felt for decades to come. If we do that again, it could easily be the end of the US as a super power.
2013-06-30 06:53:15 AM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?


Well to be fair, Bill Gates actually produced something.
2013-06-30 04:25:29 AM
2 votes:

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


A psychotic murderer may kill a few people but a psychotic in power may kill thousands or even millions, just like Rumsfeld and Chenney did. It's really the fault of people who think 'winners are so cool!'. That seems to me to be the most destructive way of thinking for a society. The psychotic is just a farked up person, the people giving him power are the real problem. Authoritarians + Charismatic Psychopaths = We're all screwed.
2013-06-30 04:23:12 AM
2 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.


After all, valuing money over basic human decency is a kind of value...
2013-06-29 08:33:25 PM
2 votes:
Headline: the ultimate "It isn't News..."
2013-06-30 03:34:26 PM
1 votes:

KimNorth: ELKAY: Some great insights into psychopathy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=xYemnKEKx0c

WTF! So they can keep him for thinking him a psychopath? Without charges? Is it illegal to be one? What the heck? He served over the original jail term for his crime. They admitted they knew his insanity plea was bogus.


The British system of handling mental health is very different than the US system. Over there it is not that hard to section someone(as you can see they are free to hold someone indefinitely under the suspicion of being a psychopath, there are even cases of women losing full custody of their children under the suspicion of having a personality disorder)  while it is nearly impossible to have someone committed in the US (why people with years of documented but poorly treated psychiatric problems are free to shoot up movie theaters and schools). Personally, I think both systems go a little to far in either direction and an approach somewhere in the middle is what is needed.

/sorry for that one really long sentence
//my high school English teacher would be disapointed, but I do love long sentences
2013-06-30 10:02:56 AM
1 votes:
I knew I could count on the psychopaths and sociopaths here on fark to defend the psychopaths and sociopaths hiding in our power structures.  This article was golden, the book is a MUST READ for any younger american who actually gives a flying fark about righting this ship.  I've got 50-70 years ahead of me, and this current state of affairs blows.

The cronyism, fascism, favoritism, backdoor lobby deals, it's all pyschopathic bullshiat.  Vote out your incumbents, every chance you get.  Eventually, their self-protectionist drive will force them to play nice to keep their jobs.  It'll still be fake, but it's better than this deregulated freak show we're enduring now.

/25% tariff on all imports, open the factories.  TADA!
2013-06-30 08:24:59 AM
1 votes:
This author is either:

1) Ignorant of science in the 21st century and incapable of or unqualified in formulating a rational opinion
2) Entirely aware of the scam she is running. A purposeful and premeditated fraud taking advantage of her fellow human beings and is therefore a PSYCHOPATH.


from her website:

"Madalyn Suozzo is a Meta-Physician and Meta-Scientist shaman who has studied with energy masters who bypassed conventional methods by talking directly to the cells themselves. She is a Regenesis® practitioner, teacher, and Minister and has spent the last 30 years researching how the body regenerates with a background that includes stem cell research, immune boosting, and intuitive counsel:

1)Activator of the reserved abilities of regeneration in the human body

2) Purveyor of profound self-dis-covering and evolution of human consciousness

3) Practitioner and teacher of energy informatics

4) Bio-communication and brain bio-modulator specialist

5) Psychological and spiritual influencer

6) Preventative medicine expert

7) Researcher of many varied psychic and healing techniques

8) Medical Intuitive"
2013-06-30 08:07:13 AM
1 votes:
hitlersbrain: A psychotic murderer may kill a few people but a psychotic in power may kill thousands or even millions, just like Rumsfeld and Chenney did. It's really the fault of people who think 'winners are so cool!'. That seems to me to be the most destructive way of thinking for a society. The psychotic is just a farked up person, the people giving him power are the real problem. Authoritarians + Charismatic Psychopaths = We're all screwed.

About 25% of the population has a fundamental need to do this, which, yes, is why we are perpetually screwed.  (See Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" for details.)
2013-06-30 07:28:32 AM
1 votes:
Water found to be wet; sky remains blue; pastor owns busted chopper.
2013-06-30 05:36:46 AM
1 votes:

Z-clipped: If you have enough wealth to live like a king for the next 200 years and you still feel the driving need to continue to accumulate more, you might not be a psychopath, but there's definitely something wrong with you.


Why? Once you have enough to live, you've got to have a hobby...and if you already are good enough at something to have gotten rich...
2013-06-30 05:26:10 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, this sounds legit.

i.imgur.com

Excuse me. I'm going to go laugh at this joke.
2013-06-30 05:24:55 AM
1 votes:

xerge: Coming on a Bicycle: valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.

You fail to understand this. It is only about themselves. They do not care about anyone or anything. The company or country are only a means to an end. They will happily destroy them if if benefits them in some way. That is why they are a danger in power...


Ok. But if you recognize that, and recognize them, for that matter, for what they are - then there's still no man overboard right? You don't have to be around them. My point is: sure, they're 'psychopaths' or whatever. But they rule your company/country and someone needs to do that. And you don't have to have any personal contact with them if you don't want to.

The point of this article seems to be: why can't everybody be a completely gullible, social, feelings-communicating group-hugger? And my answer to that is: well, because we can't all be the same. The outliers will always be called something. And they might even have qualities that come in handy in some places in society.
2013-06-30 05:18:26 AM
1 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.


You fail to understand this. It is only about themselves. They do not care about anyone or anything. The company or country are only a means to an end. They will happily destroy them if if benefits them in some way. That is why they are a danger in power...
2013-06-30 04:36:15 AM
1 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.


Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

I had a good friend who turned out to be this way.  I took a job working for him several years ago.  Over a period of time I discovered a very creepy way he interacted with others.  It went something like this: Inspire them.  Failing that, charm them.  Failing that, flatter them.  Failing that, intimidate them.  Failing that, ignore them, and activately seek to marginalize and delegitimize them.  It was uncanny.
2013-06-30 04:24:59 AM
1 votes:

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is. Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


Came here to say this.  It sounds like the author is describing a sociopath rather than a psychopath.
2013-06-30 04:07:21 AM
1 votes:
If that is true, then the word 'psychopath' is subject to heavy inflation. Just the fact that the whining pussies at the bottom think that this world can be ruled by group-hugs, roses and unicorns, and can't be asked to sacrifice something or someone every now and then, doesn't mean the people at the top don't have feelings and values. They're just different feelings and values.
2013-06-30 12:29:35 AM
1 votes:
Hey now, not all of them are psychopaths!

There's a good number of sociopaths too.
 
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