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2013-06-29 08:33:25 PM  
Headline: the ultimate "It isn't News..."
 
2013-06-29 09:08:55 PM  
This explains the US House of Representatives.
 
2013-06-29 11:59:54 PM  
I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.
 
2013-06-30 12:12:35 AM  

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a good read that covers it a bit, and he stresses that you can't go around accusing everyone of being a psychopath just because you see one or two traits of it in them.
 
2013-06-30 12:29:35 AM  
Hey now, not all of them are psychopaths!

There's a good number of sociopaths too.
 
2013-06-30 02:33:05 AM  
If you have enough wealth to live like a king for the next 200 years and you still feel the driving need to continue to accumulate more, you might not be a psychopath, but there's definitely something wrong with you.
 
2013-06-30 04:03:23 AM  
All fairly obvious stuff - it's hardly a new observation. However:

"Madalyn Suozzo is a Natural Healing Coach and Vibrational Medicine teacher. Her 25 year background includes stem cell research, immune boosting through peak nutrition and attitude, and a comprehensive study of the human bio-field."

Oh do get farked.
 
2013-06-30 04:03:49 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Hey now, not all of them are psychopaths!

There's a good number of sociopaths too.


i.telegraph.co.uk

Learn the difference.
 
2013-06-30 04:06:35 AM  

Klippoklondike: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a good read that covers it a bit, and he stresses that you can't go around accusing everyone of being a psychopath just because you see one or two traits of it in them.


That test is flawed though.
 
2013-06-30 04:06:52 AM  

Klippoklondike: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a good read that covers it a bit, and he stresses that you can't go around accusing everyone of being a psychopath just because you see one or two traits of it in them.


Came to mention Ronson myself.
 
2013-06-30 04:07:09 AM  

nonstopcrunchy: All fairly obvious stuff - it's hardly a new observation. However:

"Madalyn Suozzo is a Natural Healing Coach and Vibrational Medicine teacher. Her 25 year background includes stem cell research, immune boosting through peak nutrition and attitude, and a comprehensive study of the human bio-field."

Oh do get farked.


That's the name of my new Courtney Love cover band.
 
2013-06-30 04:07:21 AM  
If that is true, then the word 'psychopath' is subject to heavy inflation. Just the fact that the whining pussies at the bottom think that this world can be ruled by group-hugs, roses and unicorns, and can't be asked to sacrifice something or someone every now and then, doesn't mean the people at the top don't have feelings and values. They're just different feelings and values.
 
2013-06-30 04:08:43 AM  

blottoman: That's the name of my new Courtney Love cover band.


I was gonna use it for my Four Non Blondes cover band...MAN.
 
2013-06-30 04:08:59 AM  
Recycled news is soo green!  yay world!
 
2013-06-30 04:10:45 AM  
Some great insights into psychopathy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=xYemnKEKx0c
 
2013-06-30 04:14:51 AM  

PizzaJedi81: blottoman: That's the name of my new Courtney Love cover band.

I was gonna use it for my Four Non Blondes cover band...MAN.


Dibs bro, sorry.

lol
 
2013-06-30 04:18:03 AM  
Their proficiency at creating jobs shows they really care about others....bwahaha
 
2013-06-30 04:18:16 AM  
Well, everybody wants to rule the world.
 
2013-06-30 04:23:12 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.


After all, valuing money over basic human decency is a kind of value...
 
2013-06-30 04:23:18 AM  
Is it that psychopaths run the world, or that you have to become a psychopath to run the world?
 
2013-06-30 04:24:59 AM  

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is. Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


Came here to say this.  It sounds like the author is describing a sociopath rather than a psychopath.
 
2013-06-30 04:25:29 AM  

jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.


A psychotic murderer may kill a few people but a psychotic in power may kill thousands or even millions, just like Rumsfeld and Chenney did. It's really the fault of people who think 'winners are so cool!'. That seems to me to be the most destructive way of thinking for a society. The psychotic is just a farked up person, the people giving him power are the real problem. Authoritarians + Charismatic Psychopaths = We're all screwed.
 
2013-06-30 04:29:51 AM  

hitlersbrain: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is.  Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

A psychotic murderer may kill a few people but a psychotic in power may kill thousands or even millions, just like Rumsfeld and Chenney did. It's really the fault of people who think 'winners are so cool!'. That seems to me to be the most destructive way of thinking for a society. The psychotic is just a farked up person, the people giving him power are the real problem. Authoritarians + Charismatic Psychopaths = We're all screwed.


java.cyberbass.com

Unless the other nutters gang up on them.
 
2013-06-30 04:30:18 AM  

valkore: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is. Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

Came here to say this.  It sounds like the author is describing a sociopath rather than a psychopath.


Holy cow, I never thought I'd see the day that someone would get the distinction right. Next thing you know, someone will understand that the MacDonald Triad is not valid.
 
2013-06-30 04:36:15 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.


Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

I had a good friend who turned out to be this way.  I took a job working for him several years ago.  Over a period of time I discovered a very creepy way he interacted with others.  It went something like this: Inspire them.  Failing that, charm them.  Failing that, flatter them.  Failing that, intimidate them.  Failing that, ignore them, and activately seek to marginalize and delegitimize them.  It was uncanny.
 
2013-06-30 04:40:27 AM  

HotWingAgenda: valkore: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is. Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

Came here to say this.  It sounds like the author is describing a sociopath rather than a psychopath.

Holy cow, I never thought I'd see the day that someone would get the distinction right. Next thing you know, someone will understand that the MacDonald Triad is not valid.



First thing that came to mind when I saw that:

www.demotivationalposters.org
www.ithp.org
www.fazzarimultimedia.com
A violent urban gang that dresses as Ronald McDonald.

\then I remembered what the thread was talking about

/Bonus NSFW because of violence pic:  http://api.ning.com/files/6nwxWXMOtXRXdK2EbUsIaosWUFxQ0UubwTkBki3t1Y1 9 XgR0UWJeQESVYkZOWqxKxOyH9v5HyOycRMb4D3TLR-OG*eDPUOGV/EvilRonaldMCdonal d.jpg
 
2013-06-30 04:41:55 AM  
media.theonion.com
 
2013-06-30 04:49:22 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Unless the other nutters gang up on them.


caesar.jpg

nerdstodolist.files.wordpress.com
Et tu, Brute?
 
2013-06-30 04:58:58 AM  
Explains many of my bosses...
 
2013-06-30 05:06:23 AM  

valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

...


Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.
 
2013-06-30 05:18:26 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.


You fail to understand this. It is only about themselves. They do not care about anyone or anything. The company or country are only a means to an end. They will happily destroy them if if benefits them in some way. That is why they are a danger in power...
 
2013-06-30 05:24:55 AM  

xerge: Coming on a Bicycle: valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.

You fail to understand this. It is only about themselves. They do not care about anyone or anything. The company or country are only a means to an end. They will happily destroy them if if benefits them in some way. That is why they are a danger in power...


Ok. But if you recognize that, and recognize them, for that matter, for what they are - then there's still no man overboard right? You don't have to be around them. My point is: sure, they're 'psychopaths' or whatever. But they rule your company/country and someone needs to do that. And you don't have to have any personal contact with them if you don't want to.

The point of this article seems to be: why can't everybody be a completely gullible, social, feelings-communicating group-hugger? And my answer to that is: well, because we can't all be the same. The outliers will always be called something. And they might even have qualities that come in handy in some places in society.
 
2013-06-30 05:26:10 AM  
Yeah, this sounds legit.

i.imgur.com

Excuse me. I'm going to go laugh at this joke.
 
2013-06-30 05:29:35 AM  

valkore: jake_lex: I dunno, I think this whole "A lot of powerful people are psychopaths!" thing is just being taken too far, and really cheapens and distorts the true meaning of what a psychopath is. Hint: it's not merely being an asshole.

Came here to say this.  It sounds like the author is describing a sociopath rather than a psychopath.


What I got from that article is that a sociopath tries to hide his behavior/condition from others while a psychopath is more in your face about it.
Otherwise, the list of traits for each seem nearly identical.
 
2013-06-30 05:36:46 AM  

Z-clipped: If you have enough wealth to live like a king for the next 200 years and you still feel the driving need to continue to accumulate more, you might not be a psychopath, but there's definitely something wrong with you.


Why? Once you have enough to live, you've got to have a hobby...and if you already are good enough at something to have gotten rich...
 
2013-06-30 05:39:54 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: valkore: Coming on a Bicycle: They're just different feelings and values.

Yeah, a sociopath's values are based almost entirely on how much benefit the sociopath will receive through manipulating and lying to others around him/her.

...

Yeah well that. Or how much benefit the company will receive. Or the country. Not everybody has only your precious little well-being in mind, you know. Hopefully, there still is a sense that you have to look out for yourself, and be responsible for yourself.


The problem is that the mentality you describe can make it very easy to do something for the benefit of the organization whose cost to everyone far outweighs whatever benefit the organization gets.  After all, I don't think any of us would support covering up child rape for the benefit of a college football team, but this could happen if you are willing to "sacrifice something or someone" for the organization you dedicate your life to supporting.
 
2013-06-30 06:32:13 AM  
Not only is this not new, it's not even old. In "Without Conscience", Robert Hare's seminal book on psychopathy (1993--now almost 20 years old), Hare was very careful to note that many of the individual traits that make a psychopath--glibness, manipulativeness, lack of empathy, need for excitement and control--are not only common in high level executives and politicians, they may be essential for someone who leads a large company or a large nation. You can't have a President or a CEO who isn't somewhat ruthless and controlling, amirite?

It's only, as Hare reiterates over and over again, when MOST or ALL of the traits appear in a single individual that you have a psychopath, and only when that individual has a very high level of intelligence that you have a dangerous psychopath. Martha Stout, in "The Sociopath Next Door" relates the tale of a low-IQ psychopath who met all Hare's criteria for psychopathy, whose need for control manifested itself in stealing stamps from the local post office. The same drive and focus Bernie Madoff used to create a 20-year Ponzi scheme, "Stamp Man" used....to steal postage stamps.

But just because someone is glib, superficial, manipulative or needs increasing levels of adrenaline in his or her life doesn't mean he or she is a psychopath. Only if he or she is ALL of these. And maybe even not then. What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?
 
2013-06-30 06:53:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?


Well to be fair, Bill Gates actually produced something.
 
2013-06-30 07:16:06 AM  

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?

Well to be fair, Bill Gates actually produced something.


A few billion$
 
2013-06-30 07:28:32 AM  
Water found to be wet; sky remains blue; pastor owns busted chopper.
 
2013-06-30 07:34:55 AM  

Deep Contact: Mugato: Gyrfalcon: What's the difference, after all, between Bernie Madoff and Warren Buffett and Bill Gates?

Well to be fair, Bill Gates actually produced something.

A few billion$


And merciless, unending hatred from a few million PC users.
 
2013-06-30 07:40:22 AM  
theitalianist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-30 07:49:39 AM  
Antisocial personality disorder people are more likely to be ADHD and low IQ. They are not sexy. There is something wrong with them. Most of them are not high functioning. They're the type of person to be living with their mom at age 40 because they trashed their credit.
 
2013-06-30 07:49:42 AM  

ELKAY: Some great insights into psychopathy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=xYemnKEKx0c
The entire f'ing Internet


FTFY
 
2013-06-30 07:59:53 AM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Antisocial personality disorder people are more likely to be ADHD and low IQ. They are not sexy. There is something wrong with them. Most of them are not high functioning. They're the type of person to be living with their mom at age 40 because they trashed their credit.


It's the new asperger's. And it's been made super sexy in the media by shows like the BBC's Sherlock. Or shiat, even Silence of the Lambs.
 
2013-06-30 08:01:29 AM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Antisocial personality disorder people are more likely to be ADHD and low IQ. They are not sexy. There is something wrong with them. Most of them are not high functioning. They're the type of person to be living with their mom at age 40 because they trashed their credit.


that's what i have.  and i'm only 32
 
2013-06-30 08:03:03 AM  

nonstopcrunchy: All fairly obvious stuff - it's hardly a new observation. However:

"Madalyn Suozzo is a Natural Healing Coach and Vibrational Medicine teacher. Her 25 year background includes stem cell research, immune boosting through peak nutrition and attitude, and a comprehensive study of the human bio-field."

Oh do get farked.


Yabbut they didn't even mention her time spent in rock-paper-scissors philosophy exploration or her infamous tell-all tome, "Mothers, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Read Comic Books"
 
2013-06-30 08:07:13 AM  
hitlersbrain: A psychotic murderer may kill a few people but a psychotic in power may kill thousands or even millions, just like Rumsfeld and Chenney did. It's really the fault of people who think 'winners are so cool!'. That seems to me to be the most destructive way of thinking for a society. The psychotic is just a farked up person, the people giving him power are the real problem. Authoritarians + Charismatic Psychopaths = We're all screwed.

About 25% of the population has a fundamental need to do this, which, yes, is why we are perpetually screwed.  (See Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" for details.)
 
2013-06-30 08:13:42 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: If that is true, then the word 'psychopath' is subject to heavy inflation. Just the fact that the whining pussies at the bottom think that this world can be ruled by group-hugs, roses and unicorns, and can't be asked to sacrifice something or someone every now and then, doesn't mean the people at the top don't have feelings and values. They're just different feelings and values.


Nice! Did you hear this from one of them?
 
2013-06-30 08:15:13 AM  

BokerBill: Nice! Did you hear this from one of them?


No, but I heard that a crunchy "bio-field healing" hippy can't differentiate between the terms "sociopath" and "psychopath" while plugging a book on her sucky blog.
 
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