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(KnoxNews)   He "arrived to a meeting with a pink teddy bear and a bag of condoms in hand. That much is clear"   (knoxnews.com) divider line 45
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2013-06-29 08:45:15 PM  
to make a chris hanson reference or not: that is the question
whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
the slings and arrows of outrageous cliche
or to take arms and think of something witty
 
2013-06-29 09:00:30 PM  
OK, either I'm experiencing epic reading comprehension failures, or that article is extremely poorly written.

FTFA: But did he arrive in September 2012 with a criminal intent to have sex with an adult 36-year-old aunt to a 14-year-old niece, or was he enticed to act by police posing as an adult and niece sexual combo?

The way they state that, it sounds like he's being accused of showing up to have sex with a 36 year old who has a 14 year old niece - and I can't find anything remotely illegal about that.

From the context of the rest of the article it sounds like the charges are really about him wanting to have sex with the 14 year old, but if so, where does the 36 year old even come into play, and why mention it?

If there was an adult in the picture, couldn't he argue that the condoms were for the aunt and the teddy bear was a gift for the niece in a non-sexual way?  (although, do 14 year olds care about teddy bears ?)
 
2013-06-29 09:03:53 PM  
Wow, I now I feel bad about bringing a toy penguin with me when I met with a young girl's mother almost 20 years ago.

No, I really don't. Both appreciated what I gave them.

I'll leave the answer to who got what up to your imaginations.

The guy in the article deserves a hero tag for not taking a plea deal.
 
2013-06-29 09:25:35 PM  
If it's that farking hard to establish intent, then the cops didn't do their farking jobs and the guy should get cut free.

He might be a creep, he might not be. And if he is I hope he gets burned and locked up for a long time. The bottom line is; we let guilty people go free before we risk punishing an innocent.

/if the chat log don't fit, you must acquit
 
2013-06-29 10:50:44 PM  
Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-29 10:50:48 PM  
www.draftpartyblog.com
 
2013-06-29 10:51:12 PM  
Regardless of his intentions, for the rest of this man's life, the phrase
...arrived to a meeting with a pink teddy bear and a bag of condoms in hand. That much is clear.
will be one of the first things to pop up during any potential employer/date's idle google search of his name.
For that reason alone, I hope he's guilty.
 
2013-06-29 10:54:04 PM  
That article is so badly written, it's difficult to figure out what was going on.
 
2013-06-29 11:01:47 PM  
But did he arrive in September 2012 with a criminal intent to have sex with an adult 36-year-old aunt to a 14-year-old niece, or was he enticed to act by police posing as an adult and niece sexual combo?

Case closed.  It's obvious that the condoms were for the aunt, and the teddy bear was for the niece!

Difficulty:  This was the teddy bear.


icons.duckduckgo.com
 
2013-06-29 11:02:02 PM  
Countdown to Pedo Bear in 3...2...1...
 
2013-06-29 11:02:40 PM  

TheTurtle: Countdown to Pedo Bear in 3...2...1...


lel
 
2013-06-29 11:03:18 PM  

TheTurtle: Countdown to Pedo Bear in 3...2...1...


0, -1
 
2013-06-29 11:03:36 PM  

sendtodave: But did he arrive in September 2012 with a criminal intent to have sex with an adult 36-year-old aunt to a 14-year-old niece, or was he enticed to act by police posing as an adult and niece sexual combo?

Case closed.  It's obvious that the condoms were for the aunt, and the teddy bear was for the niece!

Difficulty:  This was the teddy bear.


[icons.duckduckgo.com image 100x162]


Ah, fark, probably while I was typing.
 
2013-06-29 11:05:12 PM  
Don't most pedos not care at all about adults?

adult 36-year-old aunt
mlkshk.com
 
2013-06-29 11:07:21 PM  

lordargent: Don't most pedos not care at all about adults?

adult 36-year-old aunt
[mlkshk.com image 400x300]


Or even teenagers?

14-year-old niece
mlkshk.com
 
2013-06-29 11:07:32 PM  
 
2013-06-29 11:08:02 PM  
Silly guy. Everyone knows you bang the 36 year old aunt, and make friends with the 14 year old niece, so you can bang get 3 1/2 years later as soon as she's legal.
 
2013-06-29 11:14:49 PM  

TsarTom: Regardless of his intentions, for the rest of this man's life, the phrase
...arrived to a meeting with a pink teddy bear and a bag of condoms in hand. That much is clear.
will be one of the first things to pop up during any potential employer/date's idle google search of his name.
For that reason alone, I hope he's guilty.


Agreed. I don't know for a fact that this guy is a pedophile, but if he's not, they just destroyed an innocent man's life. There needs to be anonymity of the accused for certain crimes until proven guilty. It would help clean up the voir dire at trial, too.
 
2013-06-29 11:14:55 PM  

sendtodave: Or even teenagers?


If he did want to have sex with a 14 year old, that would make him an ephebophile, not a pedophile.
 
2013-06-29 11:22:53 PM  
I went to high school with a guy who got busted in the Bowling Green, KY episode of To Catch A Predator. He always came off as a simpleton in school. Maybe he just wanted to bang a 12 year old, because it was more his intelligence level.
 
2013-06-29 11:24:03 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: From the context of the rest of the article it sounds like the charges are really about him wanting to have sex with the 14 year old, but if so, where does the 36 year old even come into play, and why mention it?


Threesome.
 
2013-06-29 11:28:19 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Or even teenagers?

If he did want to have sex with a 14 year old, that would make him an ephebophile, not a pedophile.


and if he was going to have sex with the teddy bear, it would be arcotophilia.  Or performance art.  Either answer is acceptable.
 
2013-06-29 11:30:00 PM  
The condoms were for the teddy bear and he was going to make the aunt and 14-year old watch?
 
2013-06-29 11:34:18 PM  

Nuclear Monk: Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa


I also thought it was something to do with a business meeting. Then I read the article and saw it was some boring cop sting.

/I often bring Mr Cuddles to my project meetings but a bag of condoms would send the wrong message
/you don't know the scum that work in engineering
 
2013-06-29 11:35:31 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: sendtodave: Or even teenagers?

If he did want to have sex with a 14 year old, that would make him an ephebophile, not a pedophile.


Back to Wikipedia for you Mister Pervy
 
2013-06-29 11:38:12 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Nuclear Monk: Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa

I also thought it was something to do with a business meeting. Then I read the article and saw it was some boring cop sting.

/I often bring Mr Cuddles to my project meetings but a bag of condoms would send the wrong message
/you don't know the scum that work in engineering


You could always try to impress upon the other attendees that condoms are far more healthy than donuts.
 
2013-06-29 11:38:32 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The condoms were for the teddy bear and he was going to make the aunt and 14-year old watch?


i.qkme.me
 
2013-06-29 11:40:10 PM  
He just wanted to show them the power of the rainbow!
 
2013-06-29 11:43:43 PM  

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: The condoms were for the teddy bear and he was going to make the aunt and 14-year old watch?

[i.qkme.me image 228x221]


You know you want me, darling.
 
2013-06-29 11:44:42 PM  

ParagonComplex: I went to high school with a guy who got busted in the Bowling Green, KY episode of To Catch A Predator. He always came off as a simpleton in school. Maybe he just wanted to bang a 12 year old, because it was more his intelligence level.


I knew a guy from KY that was a pedo.  As was his father (who also adopted, then later married, his Asian daughter).

Let us now infer that everyone from KY is a pedo.
 
2013-06-29 11:49:52 PM  

Nuclear Monk: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Nuclear Monk: Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa

I also thought it was something to do with a business meeting. Then I read the article and saw it was some boring cop sting.

/I often bring Mr Cuddles to my project meetings but a bag of condoms would send the wrong message
/you don't know the scum that work in engineering

You could always try to impress upon the other attendees that condoms are far more healthy than donuts.


If the US wasn't so politically correct, I would love firing people by putting the pink slip in an envelope with some Kentucky jelly and a rubber.
 
2013-06-29 11:50:35 PM  
Teddy Bear for a 14 year old?  Wouldn't most teenage girls roll eyes at that?
 
2013-06-29 11:53:44 PM  

julysurprise: Teddy Bear for a 14 year old?  Wouldn't most teenage girls roll eyes at that?


Not anymore.

That would require looking up from their cellphone.
 
2013-06-30 12:01:53 AM  

sendtodave: ParagonComplex: I went to high school with a guy who got busted in the Bowling Green, KY episode of To Catch A Predator. He always came off as a simpleton in school. Maybe he just wanted to bang a 12 year old, because it was more his intelligence level.

I knew a guy from KY that was a pedo.  As was his father (who also adopted, then later married, his Asian daughter).

Let us now infer that everyone from KY is a pedo.


Woody Allen's from Kentucky?
 
2013-06-30 12:03:51 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Nuclear Monk: Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa

I also thought it was something to do with a business meeting. Then I read the article and saw it was some boring cop sting.

/I often bring Mr Cuddles to my project meetings but a bag of condoms would send the wrong message
/you don't know the scum that work in engineering

You could always try to impress upon the other attendees that condoms are far more healthy than donuts.


Most engineers I know giggle and snicker at the mention of anything to do with secks.

It's like they're 13 or something.
 
2013-06-30 12:08:27 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Nuclear Monk: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Nuclear Monk: Project kickoff meetings are always so hard.

/dnrtfa

I also thought it was something to do with a business meeting. Then I read the article and saw it was some boring cop sting.

/I often bring Mr Cuddles to my project meetings but a bag of condoms would send the wrong message
/you don't know the scum that work in engineering

You could always try to impress upon the other attendees that condoms are far more healthy than donuts.

Most engineers I know giggle and snicker at the mention of anything to do with secks.

It's like they're 13 or something.


Most engineers ARE 13 or something.

It's like being surprised that all lawyers are venal sellouts.
 
2013-06-30 12:14:45 AM  

sendtodave: I knew a guy from KY that was a pedo. As was his father (who also adopted, then later married, his Asian daughter).

Let us now infer that everyone from KY is a pedo.


Woody Allen is from Kentucky?
 
2013-06-30 12:30:52 AM  
A teenager came home one day and told his parents, "I had sex with my teacher today."
The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but at least you were honest. Here's 5 bucks, go buy yourself some ice cream."
The next day he said, "I had sex with my teacher again." The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but at least you were honest. Here's 5 bucks, go buy yourself some ice cream."
The next day he came home and said, "I had sex with the teacher again today." The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but her's 5 dollars," and then the father cut her off and said, "Here's a 50 kid, go buy yourself a steak dinner. You can't keep your energy up by eating ice cream all the time."
 
2013-06-30 12:43:21 AM  
Was this entrapment?

Meh, I find I have little to no sympathy for anyone who makes a date over the internet to have a threesome with a 14 yo and her aunt no matter who initiated it but I can't really come to any meaningful determination without a review of the chat logs and this article is worth than useless at explaining anything definitively.
 
2013-06-30 12:47:59 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: A teenager came home one day and told his parents, "I had sex with my teacher today."
The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but at least you were honest. Here's 5 bucks, go buy yourself some ice cream."
The next day he said, "I had sex with my teacher again." The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but at least you were honest. Here's 5 bucks, go buy yourself some ice cream."
The next day he came home and said, "I had sex with the teacher again today." The mom said, "Well, I can't approve of that, but her's 5 dollars," and then the father cut her off and said, "Here's a 50 kid, go buy yourself a steak dinner. You can't keep your energy up by eating ice cream all the time."


I kept expecting the punchline to be that he was homeschooled. That's the version I've heard.
 
2013-06-30 02:48:11 AM  
Imagine this. Some random person keeps giving you a gun to fire in a public place. He keeps harassing you daily. You know firing a gun in public isn't a good idea. One day, you finally reach your limit because the person won't leave you alone. You fire a round into the ground. Suddenly the person yells "You're under arrest!".

You could be a victim of harassment someday if you think it's ok for people to encourage others constantly into doing something they wouldn't have done just for the sake of fulfilling a quota.
 
2013-06-30 03:34:41 AM  
I was very close once to someone who was attracted to young teens, but he knew it was wrong and would refuse to do anything about it. It was very sad, how tortured he was.

I don't like thinking that he wouldn't have the self-control to be tempted into one of these entrapment schemes, but, when someone offers something he's always wanted and tries to convince him it's okay... I can't imagine.
 
2013-06-30 09:51:49 AM  
Well, if the girl was 14 the man isn't a pedophile. Still creepy, still sick, but he could just be a pervert. A pedophile is attracted to prepubescent children, though. He could possibly be a hebephile although not necessarily just because he was enticed into a meet up with a 14 year old once. But I digress...

I'm not sure how to feel about these types of stings by police. You certainly want sexual predators neutralized before they're able to target a victim but drawing them into entrapment seems wrong somehow. I think they just have to be very, very careful about the way they go about it. They can't be too proactive in drawing the would-be predator out. You can't chum the waters too much.
 
2013-06-30 11:05:52 AM  
sexual combo

friedjunk.files.wordpress.com

They're really going overboard with the weird new flavors these days...
 
2013-06-30 01:40:41 PM  
murphymurphy
If it's that farking hard to establish intent, then the cops didn't do their farking jobs and the guy should get cut free.

The problem is that you may just have two or three agencies doing this job. The police make the arrests and find the live action 'minors', perverted justice finds the marks, and a television networks does/did the social shaming.

And per my understanding perverted justice is an volunteer agency and may be full of outliers that may be willing to go beyond what most would to catch alleged perverts.

/I do remember instances of where perverted justice left out emoticons out of the logs, and may have actually approached someone multiple times after they first said no.

//Still these are people that are dumb or have lack of emotional control, the suckers, the bottom feeders. There are an entire much more dangerous class of pedos that know how to stay away from these stings. They know better then to bring a sixer of mike's hard lemonaid and condoms into a strangers house based on someone they met on the internet in a chat room. At this point all perverted justice is doing is wearing purple sashes while patrolling the internet for weak marks because of a personal vendetta in their past life.
 
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