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(ABC)   Traffic cameras installed in village, and in first month, issue citations numbering more than triple the village's population. In other news, town budget problems solved   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 100
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2013-06-29 05:47:42 PM
its government math, so its ok.
 
2013-06-29 05:49:59 PM
What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.
 
2013-06-29 05:51:06 PM
Actually, from the sounds of it, it looks like people were blowing past this town at unsafe speeds. That 25 MPH speed limit might be BS... but at the same time...

/Normally hates red light cameras
 
2013-06-29 05:53:46 PM

Summercat: Actually, from the sounds of it, it looks like people were blowing past this town at unsafe speeds. That 25 MPH speed limit might be BS... but at the same time...


By definition, a speed limit that is exceeded by 85% of drivers is BS.

And red light cameras often raise the accident rate because the city shortens the yellow duration to raise more revenue.  If that isn't "BS," I don't know what is.
 
2013-06-29 05:54:11 PM
Gawds I hate headlines like this.

WHICH IS IT, A TOWN OR A VILLAGE?!?
 
2013-06-29 06:04:08 PM
Man, lawbreakers should really avoid that town, huh?
 
2013-06-29 06:04:11 PM
Link's farked for me.  "Bad request."  Is this  Elmwood Place, where a judge ordered all the cameras seized by the Sheriff's department?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-finds-ohio-village-contempt-155450291.ht ml
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-29 06:05:56 PM
i5.photobucket.com

Sorry... someone in that senario is breaking the law...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-29 06:09:47 PM
In addition to the contempt order in the article, the town is facing a camera ban in the state legislature. The House approved a ban on camera enforcement except for school zone speed cameras attended by a police officer.

No matter whether the town has the law on its side, it risks criminal contempt for defying a judge's order.
 
2013-06-29 06:11:35 PM
I've got mixed feelings on this one. Obviously (just like every other place) they put the cameras in for revenue generation, but it also sounds like they had a genuine problem to tackle there.

But then... after a quick Google street view stroll through town, the main road that appears to be the only one that would have any through traffic on it that's subject to the 25mph speed limit is marked with a sign on one end that's attached to the highline pole where the sign is the same width as the pole, and the other is attached to some antique segmented pole waaaay higher up than mandated by DOT.

On a more personal note: The place is a complete rundown shiathole. Someone blowing through town at 130, crashing through the gas station and burning the whole town down would likely bring Ohio's collective property values up a few points. The seemingly low 25mph limit is actually pretty generous for the streets of that piss stain of a speedbump.
 
2013-06-29 06:19:01 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Link's farked for me.  "Bad request."  Is this  Elmwood Place, where a judge ordered all the cameras seized by the Sheriff's department?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-finds-ohio-village-contempt-155450291.ht ml


Yes it is. Ohio seems to have a lot of these little places that would otherwise be patrolled by county sheriff... I remember another village in Ohio, was it Rome ? Where cops were only doing speed enforcement and municipal courts were a joke. Some laws were made against this...
 
2013-06-29 06:26:48 PM
I've driven through there.  The problem is that you need to cut up Vine street to get to the 75 on ramp.  Before the village, Vine cuts through an abandoned industrial wasteland and looks like this:

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The speed limit is 35, but it drops to 25 immediately when you reach the village boundary.  Through the village, Vine looks like this:

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There's street parking and it's crowded, so the 25 mph makes sense.  But they were all douchey about how they went about installing the camera, so instead of fixing their problem, they just made everything worse.
 
2013-06-29 06:27:57 PM
Simple solution...LASER POINTER from off camera...
 
2013-06-29 06:29:17 PM

Mokmo: BarkingUnicorn: Link's farked for me.  "Bad request."  Is this  Elmwood Place, where a judge ordered all the cameras seized by the Sheriff's department?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-finds-ohio-village-contempt-155450291.ht ml

Yes it is. Ohio seems to have a lot of these little places that would otherwise be patrolled by county sheriff... I remember another village in Ohio, was it Rome ? Where cops were only doing speed enforcement and municipal courts were a joke. Some laws were made against this...


New Rome actually got dissolved because they were such douches about tickets.
 
2013-06-29 06:31:17 PM
Ahh yes. We've seen this article before. Where the camera was installed immediately after a merging exit from Interstate 71 onto the main road. So you're cruising down the off ramp, no warning, then immediately hit a 25MPH zone. You try to slow down, but it's already too late, as you've already been caught by the camera.  Farking money grab. You want it for "safety?" Install this shiat at the school zone where the child was killed.
 
2013-06-29 06:32:50 PM
They were on pace to issue $4 million in tickets a year, when their city budget was $1.3 million year. If it could be done legally, it would be worth it for private investors to buy some small towns simply to collect speed trap revenue like that. There are, fortunately, some limits to what the public will tolerate, and it sounds like this scheme passed that limit.
 
2013-06-29 06:33:20 PM

Lsherm: I've driven through there.  The problem is that you need to cut up Vine street to get to the 75 on ramp.  Before the village, Vine cuts through an abandoned industrial wasteland and looks like this:

[img694.imageshack.us image 800x685]

The speed limit is 35, but it drops to 25 immediately when you reach the village boundary.  Through the village, Vine looks like this:

[img832.imageshack.us image 850x881]

There's street parking and it's crowded, so the 25 mph makes sense.  But they were all douchey about how they went about installing the camera, so instead of fixing their problem, they just made everything worse.


From those pictures, it looks to me like this is a problem that could have been solved with rumble strips.  But that wouldn't be a good way to increase revenue.  It only improves safety.
 
2013-06-29 06:36:47 PM

Lsherm: Mokmo: BarkingUnicorn: Link's farked for me.  "Bad request."  Is this  Elmwood Place, where a judge ordered all the cameras seized by the Sheriff's department?

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-finds-ohio-village-contempt-155450291.ht ml

Yes it is. Ohio seems to have a lot of these little places that would otherwise be patrolled by county sheriff... I remember another village in Ohio, was it Rome ? Where cops were only doing speed enforcement and municipal courts were a joke. Some laws were made against this...

New Rome actually got dissolved because they were such douches about tickets.


They weren't just douches. They were traffic Nazi's that were run by an entire family. Literally.  Everyone on the village board and mayor were related. And when one quit, they replaced them with another family member.
 
2013-06-29 06:38:06 PM

GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.


The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.
 
2013-06-29 06:38:28 PM
I got nailed by one a couple months ago in a part of town I visit every 6 months (Dentist's office). I'll now be finding another dentist and writing a letter to the city and him explaining as much (needed to find another dentist anyway). Yeah, I broke the farking law but now I won't have a reason to be in that part of town, and no risk of having a brainfart and getting another ticket.

/These things are a scourge
//One man's butthurt is another man's cost savings
 
2013-06-29 06:41:19 PM
"Some 70 parishioners, or more than half the congregation at Our Lady of Lavang Catholic Community Church, were ticketed on one Sunday last September."

At least they all had a reason to go to church and ask for forgiveness.

/render unto Caesar and all that...
 
2013-06-29 06:42:57 PM

yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.


On a stretch of road used to get to three schools here in Dublin, they just put in the digital speed sign, not a speed camera, and that seems to have done the job.  Because my city government isn't run by a bunch of douches.  They've also been very responsible with money so they we weren't in a financial bind.  When the economy was smoking hot, the city actually banked a few million dollars as a "rainy day fund".  So when the economy tanked and tax revenues dropped, they had that money to fall back on without having to raise taxes or install speed cameras.

Note, the Dublin Police WILL give you a speeding ticket if they catch you, and they do have a few favorite spots to park and wait for speeders, but that's to be expected in any town.
 
2013-06-29 06:46:27 PM

OgreMagi: yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.

On a stretch of road used to get to three schools here in Dublin, they just put in the digital speed sign, not a speed camera, and that seems to have done the job.  Because my city government isn't run by a bunch of douches.  They've also been very responsible with money so they we weren't in a financial bind.  When the economy was smoking hot, the city actually banked a few million dollars as a "rainy day fund".  So when the economy tanked and tax revenues dropped, they had that money to fall back on without having to raise taxes or install speed cameras.

Note, the Dublin Police WILL give you a speeding ticket if they catch you, and they do have a few favorite spots to park and wait for speeders, but that's to be expected in any town.


Eastbound 33 near the 271 interchange where it changes from 65 to 55.  Saw that ALOT in college.
 
2013-06-29 06:48:31 PM

jayphat: OgreMagi: yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.

On a stretch of road used to get to three schools here in Dublin, they just put in the digital speed sign, not a speed camera, and that seems to have done the job.  Because my city government isn't run by a bunch of douches.  They've also been very responsible with money so they we weren't in a financial bind.  When the economy was smoking hot, the city actually banked a few million dollars as a "rainy day fund".  So when the economy tanked and tax revenues dropped, they had that money to fall back on without having to raise taxes or install speed cameras.

Note, the Dublin Police WILL give you a speeding ticket if they catch you, and they do have a few favorite spots to park and wait for speeders, but that's to be expected in any town.

Eastbound 33 near the 271 interchange where it changes from 65 to 55.  Saw that ALOT in college.


On Hopyard before the military base, about a half mile BEFORE the speed limit increases from 40 to 45.  People tend to jump the gun, and not just to the anticipated speed limit.
 
2013-06-29 06:49:42 PM

Lsherm: New Rome actually got dissolved because they were such douches about tickets.


Holy fark, what a train wreck of a town!   Seems it was more than traffic tickets, though.
 
2013-06-29 06:51:08 PM

Nick Nostril: I got nailed by one a couple months ago in a part of town I visit every 6 months (Dentist's office). I'll now be finding another dentist and writing a letter to the city and him explaining as much (needed to find another dentist anyway). Yeah, I broke the farking law but now I won't have a reason to be in that part of town, and no risk of having a brainfart and getting another ticket.

/These things are a scourge
//One man's butthurt is another man's cost savings


I suppose a different route to the dentist is out of the question.
 
2013-06-29 06:55:26 PM

OgreMagi: yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.

On a stretch of road used to get to three schools here in Dublin, they just put in the digital speed sign, not a speed camera, and that seems to have done the job.  Because my city government isn't run by a bunch of douches.  They've also been very responsible with money so they we weren't in a financial bind.  When the economy was smoking hot, the city actually banked a few million dollars as a "rainy day fund".  So when the economy tanked and tax revenues dropped, they had that money to fall back on without having to raise taxes or install speed cameras.

Note, the Dublin Police WILL give you a speeding ticket if they catch you, and they do have a few favorite spots to park and wait for speeders, but that's to be expected in any town.


In school zones people really seem to be willing to go a lower speed, at least for the most part.  I think the problem is people just aren't used to going that slow at all so they have no concept of what it should "feel like", if you know what I mean, so the speed readout is a helpful reminder.  Yeah, bad on them for not checking their speedometers, but nobody's perfect.

On the other hand, on the way to my "it's complicated"'s place there's a 30mph zone through a heavy residential area (high volume apartment complexes on both sides of the street) which has a permanent speed readout posted there.  I am usually the ONLY person who does the speed limit through there.  It's really quite depressing sometimes.
 
2013-06-29 06:55:38 PM
FTFA:Cameras at the village limits and in the school zone dramatically curtailed speeding once citations started going out, Peskin said. From 20,000 speeders clocked in a two-week trial period last summer, the number soon dropped to a quarter of that.

Stop breaking the law and you'll stop being punished.

/Once the Google cars arrive speeding will be a problem of the past.
 
2013-06-29 07:08:40 PM
Is running an AP story over 4 pages to increase banner ad impressions also a money grab?
 
2013-06-29 07:09:36 PM
Traffic fines and such shouldn't go to the local community as that is a recipe for corrupt practices. The money should go to the state and then spread around as needed to the local communities.

I'm surprised that these traffic cameras haven't been vandalized.

If they want people to slow down, then put up a sign warning of the traffic camera ahead and that it will issue a ticket for anyone going over the posted speed limit.
 
2013-06-29 07:09:57 PM
Lotta butthurt by people who can't just slowdown and pay attention.
 
2013-06-29 07:10:23 PM

yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.


I wouldn't go with a big sign, just a small sign below all the village limit signs.  It lets them know speed cameras are around, but they will have to learn the hard way where they are.  I don't really have sympathy for the drivers caught.  Yes, enforcement was spotty or not existent but since when is that an excuse.  I have been hearing from family in NC that the cops have finally decided to enforce speed limits.  Evidently everyone wasn't aware any of the roads in NC had a speed limit.  The learning curve can be rough if you are thick headed and heavy footed.
 
2013-06-29 07:14:13 PM

johnMTS: Lotta butthurt by people who can't just slowdown and pay attention.


lack of warmth: yukichigai: GilRuiz1: What's the point of laws if everybody complains when they are enforced?  Change the law or get rid of it, if everybody's going to be unhappy when you enforce it.

The problem is that they don't give you immediate feedback.  When a cop pulls you over, you know you're caught.  More than likely you'll watch yourself after that and follow the traffic laws, at least for a while.

With traffic cameras on the other hand, when they catch you speeding it gets noted down silently.  You only find out when you get a bill in the mail some weeks later, by which time you've probably done the same thing another 20 times, also on camera.

Speed cameras are an interesting idea, and I think they are in fact a great choice for tiny little towns that can't afford the number of people required to patrol it with the required vigor.  However, I think that when a town like that installs a speed camera part of the deal should be that they also install one of those "your speed is X" digital readouts along with a big-ass sign that says "YOU ARE BEING WATCHED BY A SPEED CAMERA".

Of course, that wouldn't generate enough revenue.

I wouldn't go with a big sign, just a small sign below all the village limit signs.  It lets them know speed cameras are around, but they will have to learn the hard way where they are.  I don't really have sympathy for the drivers caught.  Yes, enforcement was spotty or not existent but since when is that an excuse.  I have been hearing from family in NC that the cops have finally decided to enforce speed limits.  Evidently everyone wasn't aware any of the roads in NC had a speed limit.  The learning curve can be rough if you are thick headed and heavy footed.


You two should really do a little research into exactly where this camera is, and how the speed limit just appears right out of nowhere. And I mean, no logical person would guess that it all the sudden becomes 25 and you have zero reaction time.
 
2013-06-29 07:27:21 PM
If these things have ever been about safety, then why aren't there ever any warnings issued?

Also:

"Elmwood was just doing it because they needed money," said the manager of Elmwood Quick Mart, which offers phone cards, lottery tickets and Mexican food, and advertises its willingness to accept food stamps. - TFA

What was the writer trying to do there? Why didn't that sentence stop at "... said the manager ofElmwood Quick Mart"
 
2013-06-29 07:29:44 PM
The one thing I like about automated enforcement is how it's not selective. Suddenly all those law-is-the-law types that supported low speed limits, the revenue schemes, so forth and so on get tickets. It's beautiful.

The people who said they always follow the letter of the law and haven't been pulled over in 20 years who would tell everyone else 'just obey the law' suddenly get ticket after ticket. They've always broken the letter of the law, they just didn't get selected by living breathing cops. Machines however don't recognize social practices. They just issue tickets for any technical violation.

Of course instead of fixing the root cause problem they end up just demanding the automated enforcement stop. Oh well. Another lesson not learned.
 
2013-06-29 07:35:04 PM

leadmetal: The one thing I like about automated enforcement is how it's not selective. Suddenly all those law-is-the-law types that supported low speed limits, the revenue schemes, so forth and so on get tickets. It's beautiful.

The people who said they always follow the letter of the law and haven't been pulled over in 20 years who would tell everyone else 'just obey the law' suddenly get ticket after ticket. They've always broken the letter of the law, they just didn't get selected by living breathing cops. Machines however don't recognize social practices. They just issue tickets for any technical violation.


Also, the cameras are color-blind; no "Driving while Black" tax.
 
2013-06-29 07:35:54 PM
It's for the greater good.
 
2013-06-29 07:36:37 PM

johnMTS: Lotta butthurt by people who can't just slowdown and pay attention.


OK, the speed limit is now 5 MPH.  Are you going to "slowdown and pay attention"?
 
2013-06-29 07:43:26 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Nick Nostril: I got nailed by one a couple months ago in a part of town I visit every 6 months (Dentist's office). I'll now be finding another dentist and writing a letter to the city and him explaining as much (needed to find another dentist anyway). Yeah, I broke the farking law but now I won't have a reason to be in that part of town, and no risk of having a brainfart and getting another ticket.

/These things are a scourge
//One man's butthurt is another man's cost savings

I suppose a different route to the dentist is out of the question.


Indeed!
 
2013-06-29 07:47:46 PM
Linndale, Ohio. I-71 Cleveland. Like 1-mile on the freeway but the ticket rate by Linndale cops was insane. State Troopers eventually told them to stop; they got pissy, not sure what happened.
 
2013-06-29 07:48:20 PM

Befuddled: The money should go to the state and then spread around as needed to the local communities.


And that's worked so well with the Feds and their blackmailing states to bow to their will.
 
2013-06-29 07:51:08 PM

Hoblit: If these things have ever been about safety, then why aren't there ever any warnings issued?


There are these things called Speed Limit signs posted everywhere. How much more of a warning/hint does anyone require?

/the tears of those that proclaim that they have a right to speed and break the law are sweet and delicious
 
2013-06-29 07:52:17 PM
For the record, those radar trailers with the giant light up numbers which show THIS IS YOUR SPEED have been proven to be exponentially more effective than any other method of slowing down drivers in residential areas.  Except maybe a cop actively sitting there with a radar gun pointed at you.
 
2013-06-29 07:54:19 PM

DigitalCoffee: Hoblit: If these things have ever been about safety, then why aren't there ever any warnings issued?

There are these things called Speed Limit signs posted everywhere. How much more of a warning/hint does anyone require?

/the tears of those that proclaim that they have a right to speed and break the law are sweet and delicious


You seem to have missed the point.  The speed limit in places will drop from 50 to 25 without warning and the camera is just a few yards past the only speed limit sign.  At night you would have to defy the laws of physics to slow down quick enough.
 
2013-06-29 07:54:36 PM
Were people going illegal speeds in certain zones of the village?  If yes, then the method of detection and enforcement is irrelevant.  A camera is just as good as an officer.

It is AMAZING how stupid and petty people are.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-29 08:04:00 PM
marked with a sign on one end that's attached to the highline pole where the sign is the same width as the pole, and the other is attached to some antique segmented pole waaaay higher up than mandated by DOT

Mounted on one telephone pole: Not done by professionals, don't take it seriously. (Maybe enforced, maybe not, but go by the cops and not the signs.)

Mounted on every telephone pole: The lady doth protest too much. As above but more so. A city near me "discovered" that those repeated signs were not authorized by the state.

Mounted on a leaning single post: We need a sign, here's your sign.

Mounted on a double post, NYSDOT style: We care about the value of the speed limit and having it seen.

The more professional the job (in order 2, 1, 3, 4 low to high) the more likely the speed limit is to have been determined based on professional standards rather than revenue or politics. Half or more of those NYSDOT limits were once justified by traffic conditions, at least within 5 mph and 50 years ago.
 
2013-06-29 08:04:48 PM
 
2013-06-29 08:06:29 PM

OgreMagi: DigitalCoffee: Hoblit: If these things have ever been about safety, then why aren't there ever any warnings issued?

There are these things called Speed Limit signs posted everywhere. How much more of a warning/hint does anyone require?

/the tears of those that proclaim that they have a right to speed and break the law are sweet and delicious

You seem to have missed the point.  The speed limit in places will drop from 50 to 25 without warning and the camera is just a few yards past the only speed limit sign.  At night you would have to defy the laws of physics to slow down quick enough.


This is what is happening here. A merge from the interstate onto this road. So you're doing 65 down the exit ramp, then all the sudden 25.
 
2013-06-29 08:06:29 PM

Man On Pink Corner: johnMTS: Lotta butthurt by people who can't just slowdown and pay attention.

OK, the speed limit is now 5 MPH.  Are you going to "slowdown and pay attention"?



... what point are your trying to get at here
 
2013-06-29 08:16:43 PM
The cameras in The Village aren't there to solve budget problems, they're for getting information.
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