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2013-06-30 12:33:32 AM
My uncle had a Nazi flag hanging in his study for 40 years. It was a D-day souvenir that he picked up out of of a bunker just inland of Gold beach on June 7th 1944. It was missing some strips where he had cut it to use for bandages during the war.

This is of course the only valid use for any flag.
 
2013-06-30 12:37:42 AM

BMulligan: robohobo: Dude, people get offended at farking EVERYTHING these days. It's our goddamned national past time, now. Americans NEED to feel offense and outrage, it's like drugs, and our population is made of junkies.  Just so I'm clear on this, are you NOT offended by someone proudly displaying a swastika?


No.  I could schedule some mild annoyance next Tuesday between six and eleven, if that would work.  Could probably do it Monday if a cancellation comes in.  Best bet is to check back just before noon.
 
2013-06-30 12:38:04 AM
Just another idiot who "supports the constitution", well until the electoral process the constitution calls for doesn't go his way. Then he turns into an attention whore.
 
2013-06-30 12:38:58 AM
There are people in this country who are offended by all of the flags this gentleman is flying from his house.
Who really cares! Free speech is a good thing.
Get over it.
 
2013-06-30 12:40:19 AM

Tom_Slick: You know who else like to fly Nazi Flags?

[sav-cdn.com image 600x553]

Jim Williams notorious antique dealer from Savannah GA.


Wow - he really DOES look like Kevin Spacey.
 
2013-06-30 12:43:30 AM

limeyfellow: Great_Milenko: Dear numbnuts,

This

[xroads.virginia.edu image 289x170]

is the anti-Obama flag you're looking for.

Embrace the heritage.  The heritage of a century of lynchings.  The heritage of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.  The heritage of hate.

That is just a malformed copy of the battle flag of the Northern Virginian army. Since he is flying nations flags shouldn't he be flying this?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x178]


Depends on what year.

images.wikia.com
 
2013-06-30 01:02:29 AM

Rhino_man: Anyone who understand the right to free speech will side with skullkrusher here.  I may think that a particular statement is wrong or offensive, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to be absolutely farking wrong.  I will then exercise MY right to free speech to call you a farking idiot.


See above. It becomes a Freedom of Speech issue when the Government does it. Not a private citizen.
 
2013-06-30 01:03:32 AM

obamadidcoke: My uncle had a Nazi flag hanging in his study for 40 years. It was a D-day souvenir that he picked up out of of a bunker just inland of Gold beach on June 7th 1944. It was missing some strips where he had cut it to use for bandages during the war.

This is of course the only valid use for any flag.


Agreed.

My great-uncle had the flag off of a German destroyer.  IIRC, he donated it to a war museum.
 
2013-06-30 01:11:10 AM
www.dbf-music.com
 
2013-06-30 01:11:27 AM

Somaticasual: Godscrack: [www.stratfordstar.com image 644x635]

Murica!

Yeah. That picture says a thousand words. And those thousand words are "angry, slightly crazy old man wants attention..."

//he'll still be defended by a few former marines in this thread, I'd bet...


Not by this one.
 
2013-06-30 01:12:27 AM
Just the neighborhood crank.
 
2013-06-30 01:16:35 AM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: JohnnyC: knowless: JohnnyC: Considering Obama has done less of the things this asshat claims he's mad about than Bush did... I'm going to go with racism.

If there has been one really good thing about having a President who isn't white, it has been that the racists seem to think it's their time to out themselves to the general population. Makes it much easier when they do that to themselves.

First off, you believe Obama is "black"? Second, you don't think that was an intentional wedge?

How did the south Africans greet Obama?

Did he meet with Mandela?

The fark you going on about? You mad because I think the old bastard in the article is a racist?

why do you think that? Because he has crazy opinions about the current President and the current President is black? You got a pretty low bar set there

Oh, no - the current president is "black" (whatever that means).

a nearin.
/did you bring the laurel?
 
2013-06-30 01:19:20 AM
I wonder if the guys that blew the swastika thingie off the Neuremburg Stadium after WWII are still alive?

ROADTRIP!
 
2013-06-30 01:28:06 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: A reasonable person knows that he is not permitted to climb the front of someone's house to remove a flag. There doesn't have to be a sign which says "Don't climb my house and steal my flag".

That's an an entirely different proposition than your original, erroneous, statement.  In the case that someone climbed the house, and stole the flag, while there are multiple crimes they might be charged with, trespassing is not going to be one of them unless some form of notice had been given that the person was unwelcome to enter the property.

the discussion was whether a person needs to be explicitly told they are not welcome to enter the property. To meet your dishonest requirement of first degree trespassing, that is the case. It is NOT the case for second degree trespassing and certainly not the case for illegally entering a property with intent to damage or steal property.

The legal definition of trespassing requires some form of notification. You clearly did not understand that when you made your original, erroneous statement.; Any reasonable person knows they are not breaking the law when multiple times each and every day they enter a piece of property they do not own without being told they are welcome beforehand, as you originally stated.

Damaging and stealing property is covered under separate provisions of the law.


Actually, the tort definition of trespass does NOT require notice. The tort of trespass only requires intentional entry onto the real property of another. It doesn't even require that the person making entry be aware that the property belonged to another person, only that he had INTENT to enter onto that particular piece of property when he made entry, and that he knew at least that it was not his.

Believe me, we went around and around for days in my Torts class on this one. Whatever the requirements for CRIMINAL trespass may be, TORTIOUS trespass merely requires intentional entry onto the property. Now, if the property is intentionally held open to the public, like a store, or impliedly held open for access like your front walkway, then there is no trespass; but a person's yard or even their porch can be trespassed even without notice.

Of course, proving damages because someone walked on your lawn would be difficult; but it IS tortious intentional trespass nonetheless.
 
2013-06-30 01:28:16 AM
LOCAL BOOB SOMEWHAT CONFUSED ABOUT HIS WHEN-CONVENIENTLY-PASSIONATE HATRED'S TARGET

www.stratfordstar.com
 
2013-06-30 01:29:21 AM
He really resembles an aged Herbert Kornfeld.

There is a dumpy old shack near where I live and the denizens of said shack fly a Gadsden flag, and for a while they flew a US flag upside down. I put a note in their mailbox telling them they were offending every veteran and service member, including me, by abusing our flag that way. It was gone the next day. Small victory. This old guy is cracked. I wonder if he has kids who care about him and if so, if they are the New England equivalent of southern bigots (swamp Yankees, is that the term?) and think Pops is right on?
 
2013-06-30 01:42:22 AM

Gyrfalcon: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: A reasonable person knows that he is not permitted to climb the front of someone's house to remove a flag. There doesn't have to be a sign which says "Don't climb my house and steal my flag".

That's an an entirely different proposition than your original, erroneous, statement.  In the case that someone climbed the house, and stole the flag, while there are multiple crimes they might be charged with, trespassing is not going to be one of them unless some form of notice had been given that the person was unwelcome to enter the property.

the discussion was whether a person needs to be explicitly told they are not welcome to enter the property. To meet your dishonest requirement of first degree trespassing, that is the case. It is NOT the case for second degree trespassing and certainly not the case for illegally entering a property with intent to damage or steal property.

The legal definition of trespassing requires some form of notification. You clearly did not understand that when you made your original, erroneous statement.; Any reasonable person knows they are not breaking the law when multiple times each and every day they enter a piece of property they do not own without being told they are welcome beforehand, as you originally stated.

Damaging and stealing property is covered under separate provisions of the law.

Actually, the tort definition of trespass does NOT require notice. The tort of trespass only requires intentional entry onto the real property of another. It doesn't even require that the person making entry be aware that the property belonged to another person, only that he had INTENT to enter onto that particular piece of property when he made entry, and that he knew at least that it was not his.

Believe me, we went around and around for days in my Torts class on this one. Whatever the requirements for CRIMINAL trespass may be, TORTIOUS trespass merely requires intentional e ...


If I bait my neighbors by flying a Nazi flag and watch carefully so I can catch them trying to vandalize or steal my flag, can I legally shoot and kill them as trespassing vandals and/or thiefs? Or do I need to create a story about self-defense and standing my ground?
 
2013-06-30 02:57:00 AM

Lsherm: Paris1127: "I don't like some things he's done,'' the registered Democrat said.

Oh, it's OK then!  Democrats can't be racist!


I'm fairly sure that's logic I've heard used on Fark before.
 
2013-06-30 02:58:38 AM
FTFA: The flag hangs alongside the Stars and Stripes, the Marine Corps flag and one that bears the Vatican coat of arms.

Wow. Nazis and the Vatican together. What an unprecedented combination.
 
2013-06-30 03:01:12 AM

ciberido: Hey, they Nazis had "socialist" right there in their name, so they must have been liberals!


Believe it or not, I have seen this argument advanced many times over the last 4-5 years, including several here on Fark.  Mostly by people in their late 20's who seem to have been convinced that the Nazi's were in fact "liberal" as they used the term socialists in their name.  Kind of ignoring the inconvenient fact that Germany actually had a "socialist" party which was a rival, then an enemy of the Nazi movement and banned altogether once Hitler seized power.

My counter argument is that the Nazi's were "socialists" much in the same way that Best Korea is a Democratic Republic today.
 
2013-06-30 03:25:00 AM

lawboy87: ciberido: Hey, they Nazis had "socialist" right there in their name, so they must have been liberals!

Believe it or not, I have seen this argument advanced many times over the last 4-5 years, including several here on Fark.  Mostly by people in their late 20's who seem to have been convinced that the Nazi's were in fact "liberal" as they used the term socialists in their name.  Kind of ignoring the inconvenient fact that Germany actually had a "socialist" party which was a rival, then an enemy of the Nazi movement and banned altogether once Hitler seized power.

My counter argument is that the Nazi's were "socialists" much in the same way that Best Korea is a Democratic Republic today.


well, that and people in their 20's seem to have been trained to think that 'socialism' means any form of being forced into acting in a social, responsible, organized, or civil manner - as opposed to a system of government in which private property is outlawed and all production is owned and run by the state.
 
2013-06-30 03:35:27 AM
Ghastly

FTFA: The flag hangs alongside the Stars and Stripes, the Marine Corps flag and one that bears the Vatican coat of arms.

Wow. Nazis and the Vatican together. What an unprecedented combination.


Two great hates that hate great together.
 
2013-06-30 03:51:44 AM

ciberido: Paris1127: FromAnother article:

The Nazi swastika banner is joined by three other flags: Old Glory, the flag of Vatican City and the flag of the U.S. Marine Corps, of which Sincavage was a member in the 1950s. He's also been known to fly the Confederate battle flag, the stars and bars.

"My dad was a Marine during the war and he helped to defeat the Nazis," Sincavage said.

 Time traveling Nazis? Also, why doesn't the Confederate flag surprise me?

 Time traveling Nazis working with Confederates?
[amazingstoriesmag.com image 305x500]
It's more likely than you think.


Much better book than you would expect.
 
2013-06-30 04:00:22 AM
"Sincavage claims Obama is interfering with Israel's ability to defend itself..."

This should be interesting. Please explain the logic contained in this statement. Did Obama tie the shoelaces of every Israeli soldier together or something?
 
2013-06-30 06:09:27 AM
farm9.staticflickr.com

I used to have these. This is all this guy is doing, it looks like, but with better toys.
 
2013-06-30 06:12:13 AM

skullkrusher: casual disregard: This is the best part about the first amendment. It's the right to free speech, yes. It's also the right to reveal your stupidity and hatred to me. I encourage all the ragers and the haters to reveal themselves to us. Please tell us who you are and where you live and the nature of your work so that I might return my words to you in spite. Show yourselves! Your patriotism demands it! Show yourselves to us! Let us know who you truly are that I might castigate you when I meet you, that I might tell everyone I know (as is my right) that you are subhuman, that I might lead you into financial destitution by convincing my audience to stay away from your places of business. Let me have the ears of your children in their schools that I might educate them to rebel against you. And let me watch you die so that I can succor the loss of one less bigot.

tl;dr - fark farkin you, you piece of got-tam shiat

someone thinks they're influential, huh?


I had a moment of indignation. In fact I prefer shadow to light.

I'm curious, though. Why did you choose me for your response?
 
2013-06-30 06:16:00 AM

skullkrusher: I'm no historian but Ben Franklin was never President but he IS the dude on the 100 dollar bill


Just as the traditional "Confederate Flag" was carried by some Confederate regiments during battle but was not in fact the actual flag of the Confederacy?

/ Analogies, how do they work?
 
2013-06-30 06:42:44 AM

Winston Smith '84: If I bait my neighbors by flying a Nazi flag and watch carefully so I can catch them trying to vandalize or steal my flag, can I legally shoot and kill them as trespassing vandals and/or thiefs? Or do I need to create a story about self-defense and standing my ground?


That's going to depend on what state you live in, probably. Some states are very picky about lethal force in defense of property, and some will applaud you for defendin' yer castle.
 
2013-06-30 06:58:14 AM
Well...what can you say?

Racists are just stupid people.
 
2013-06-30 07:07:54 AM

Lsherm: Paris1127: "I don't like some things he's done,'' the registered Democrat said.

Oh, it's OK then!  Democrats can't be racist!


One democrat said a bad thing!  This now invalidates all good things democrats have done and all bad things republicans have done!
 
2013-06-30 07:39:57 AM
My dad brought home all kinds of Nazi flags from WW2. Everyone wanted one.
They played capture the flag over there.
 
2013-06-30 07:43:54 AM

Somaticasual: Godscrack: [www.stratfordstar.com image 644x635]

Murica!

Yeah. That picture says a thousand words. And those thousand words are "angry, slightly crazy old man wants attention..."

//he'll still be defended by a few former marines in this thread, I'd bet...


There are no former marines...

/not that there's anything wrong with that
 
2013-06-30 07:47:01 AM

Somacandra: Don't Troll Me Bro!: You'd think people who are sooooo into their heritage would be able to answer that question correctly, yet I've never had someone answer it correctly.



That's because there is a very very very big difference between "heritage" and "history (in the sense of what actually happened)." Very different discourses.


That looks really good. Why , oh why, is it out of my price range.

Curse you, Obama!
 
2013-06-30 07:52:02 AM

Somacandra: From Another Article: "I don't like some things he's done,'' the registered Democrat said. "He told the Russians all the details of the British nuclear arsenal, down to the serial numbers. "It has also come out that the U.S. and Israel were able to hack into the Iranian computer system and got details on its nuclear program. Because of that three Iranian scientists were arrested,'' he said. "If this keeps up, who is going to trust us?''

Well, I just don't know what to say. Um, rock on with your free speech, I guess? I still don't understand where the whole third reich thing comes in.


Wait, I thought that Iran deserves to be bombed back into the Stone Age for their nuclear program, or at least that was what all the GOP candidates were advocating last year, so why is that a bad thing?
 
2013-06-30 08:30:18 AM

pedobearapproved: Lsherm: Paris1127: "I don't like some things he's done,'' the registered Democrat said.

Oh, it's OK then!  Democrats can't be racist!

I'm fairly sure that's logic I've heard used on Fark before.


Only by idiots.
 
2013-06-30 08:40:03 AM
he should fly this one instead


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-30 08:50:12 AM
Meanwhile at least 10 hour or longer Nazi documentaries are aired on TV every week, week after month after year, always. Flag Guy is not the only one keeping wounds open and hate alive. There are lots of people that love to play the victim card for relatives they never met. Read a book, Hitler's minions killed all sorts of people. Just like our military does for our government. You Commies seem to have no problem with that.
 
2013-06-30 09:18:06 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: What would happen if, on a slow news day, someone burned a confederate flag in Times Square and filmed it? Would it make the news? Would neo-confederates start shiat, or are they too big of pussies?


Well old chap, after careful consideration of your hypothesis, and the social contingencies implied therein, it is my humble opinion that they are too big of pussies.
 
2013-06-30 09:18:50 AM

KrispyKritter: Meanwhile at least 10 hour or longer Nazi documentaries are aired on TV every week, week after month after year, always. Flag Guy is not the only one keeping wounds open and hate alive. There are lots of people that love to play the victim card for relatives they never met. Read a book, Hitler's minions killed all sorts of people. Just like our military does for our government. You Commies seem to have no problem with that.


This post is amazing to me in many ways.
 
2013-06-30 09:22:56 AM

KrispyKritter: Meanwhile at least 10 hour or longer Nazi documentaries are aired on TV every week, week after month after year, always. Flag Guy is not the only one keeping wounds open and hate alive. There are lots of people that love to play the victim card for relatives they never met. Read a book, Hitler's minions killed all sorts of people. Just like our military does for our government. You Commies seem to have no problem with that.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-30 09:30:45 AM

eraser8: FTFA: Sincavage claims Obama is interfering with Israel's ability to defend itself and is making laws without Congressional approval.

How is Obama interfering with Israel's ability to defend itself?

And, how does someone manage to make a law without Congressional approval?

Is this guy just a nut?


So why isn't he flying an Israeli flag? And what do the Catholic Church and the USMC have to do with anything? And I'm surprised the local Marine Corps Association chapter hasn't come out and had a word with him.
 
2013-06-30 09:32:36 AM

Notabunny: Great_Milenko: Dear numbnuts,

This

[Confederate_Flag.jpg]

is the anti-Obama flag you're looking for.

Embrace the heritage.  The heritage of a century of lynchings.  The heritage of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.  The heritage of hate.

One of the geniuses in my office put up a confederate flag in his cube. Said he was celebrating his heritage and not trying to offend anyone. And just like the dipstick in tfa, even after being told his flag was offending some of the staff, he said he was going to keep it up.


Go to his house some night and burn a cross on his lawn.
 
2013-06-30 09:33:25 AM
There's no hate like conservative hate.
 
2013-06-30 09:34:38 AM

cloakandbadger: In another couple years you (probably) won't have a black president anymore. I'm sure you can survive until then.


I'm sure he'll welcome her with open arms
 
2013-06-30 10:09:58 AM

Paris1127: "My dad was a Marine during the war and he helped to defeat the Nazis," Sincavage said.


On Guadalkanal? Those Krauts were tough bastards in the Pazifischen Ozean.
 
2013-06-30 10:24:43 AM
If he was my neighbor I would find it hard not to punch him in the mouth.  Douchebag.

/not a jew, just a badass
 
2013-06-30 10:25:25 AM
Someone should sneak in and replace it with a rainbow flag.

/Just saying
 
2013-06-30 10:25:38 AM

obamadidcoke: My uncle had a Nazi flag hanging in his study for 40 years. It was a D-day souvenir that he picked up out of of a bunker just inland of Gold beach on June 7th 1944. It was missing some strips where he had cut it to use for bandages during the war.

This is of course the only valid use for any flag.


I can see why he'd want to keep that around.


Good memories....
 
2013-06-30 10:32:56 AM
Burn his farking house down, feed him his dog, then put a bullet in this Nazi fark's skull.

/end of story
 
2013-06-30 10:44:41 AM

born_yesterday: Burn his farking house down, feed him his dog, then put a bullet in this Nazi fark's skull.

/end of story


Not quite end of story. In 10,000 years...
 
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