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2013-06-29 08:07:16 PM

A Terrible Human: FreetardoRivera: Saborlas: In before transphobes being worthless haters.

I think you can be accepting of trannies and still point out that 99% of them look terrible.

How dare you not recognize the beauty of this I dunno what the fark this person is going for honestly.
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Never put your dick in crazy tranny.
 
2013-06-29 08:07:58 PM

Qellaqan: mafiageek1980: Shedim: mafiageek1980: /Transgender

You must love these threads.

naw, I am more of a "Caturday" fan, but when threads like this appear, as a Trans person, I DO feel the need to leave my 2 cents and/or educate the curious. There have been people on Trans threads that have honest questions and don't just "bash", so, I am here to help, and if I have something to say, I will.

Yes, keep doing it. I don't know any transpeople in real life (to my knowledge), and reading these threads has been really enlightening. The alien is often naturally uncomfortable, so you help it less alien to to the rest of us. I know my own thinking has evolved substantially just through fark.


Yes. One of my best friends recently got extremely drunk and confided in me that he thinks he might be trans. I don't know a lot about it, but I really appreciate people taking the time to explain it to non-trans people. I support him no matter what, but it's easier to know how to support him if I know what he's dealing with.
 
2013-06-29 08:08:02 PM
snocone:
You gotta remember that 47% of people's brains slam shut over any word with that ""sexuality" thing in it. No cognition, just shut the fark down.

Not sure why you went with the insult, but I'll clarify:
They're two groups that are widely misunderstood and reviled due to the influence of religion in society. One group has recently made great strides in finding acceptance, although it is certainly not universal.  However, rather than disappearing, the animosity is aimed in a new direction.
Unfortunately, history repeats itself and similar to how they were blacks against gays, there are gays against trans.
 
2013-06-29 08:09:09 PM

JPINFV: bwilson27: I respect everyone's right to do or be whatever they want. Have NO problem with it... But look at me!!! I need attention!!

I'm mixed on this one. On one hand, I've always had a problem with people being "proud" of something they had no choice in. Skin color, gender, ethnic background, religion (for the vast majority of people), country of citizenship (unless you've seriously visited another 1st world country, and no Mexico doesn't count for the Americans, then you really haven't made a choice), sexuality, gender, and many other things falls into this category. If straight/gay, cisgender/transgender is considered a birth trait and not a choice, why is it anything to be proud of? Now, I'm not saying that someone should be ashamed, just that it is an "it is what it is" characteristic.

On the other hand, given the pure shiat that homosexuals and transgendered folks get, being open with their sexual/gender identity is something to be proud about. That said, shoving it into everyone's faces is generally a bit counterproductive. Public displays of affection (besides standard things like a peck) are disgusting regardless of whether it's a guy and a girl, two girls, two guys, or two guys, a girl, and a pizza place.


I don't see how PDA is nasty, but to each their own.

as far as being "out", we wouldn't have the NEED to be "out" if being Trans didn't lead to being bullied (or worse), and not accepted for who we are. So yeah, until we are seen as equals (aka: no one would think twice about seeing a Trans person in public/PDA, etc) then yeah, we have to "parade" and inform the public about us to promote understand and pride. There's a trans closet, and I am glad I am out of it. Why be ashamed?
 
2013-06-29 08:09:27 PM

jso2897: Is it me, or is the quality of Fark trolling shiat-poor lately?


No, it's not just you. They're probably getting ignored more so they get more desperate for attention.

That or they don't feel like trying right now.
 
2013-06-29 08:09:44 PM

FloydA: JPINFV:

On the other hand, given the pure shiat that homosexuals and transgendered folks get, being open with their sexual/gender identity is something to be proud about. That said, shoving it into everyone's faces is generally a bit counterproductive.

How inconvenienced were you by the Pride parades and celebrations in your city this weekend?  A lot?  Remember that there are 51 other weekends every year, so don't worry, it won't happen too frequently.

Public displays of affection (besides standard things like a peck) are disgusting regardless of whether it's a guy and a girl, two girls, two guys, or two guys, a girl, and a pizza place.


I guess we have different opinions about what is disgusting.  I consider genuine displays of affection to be pretty beautiful, even if I don't find the participants personally attractive.


Considering my goals this weekend is pretty much "stay the fark out of the heat," not that much. It doesn't change the fact that if I have to drive a mile or so out of my way because a parade of people saying "look at us, we're here!" than I'm going to be a little bit peeved. There's more than a slight difference between that and, say, a political protest (regardless of what they're arguing for and whether I support that argument) and a "look at us, we exist" parade.

As far as different opinions, awesome. Living in a world where everyone thinks exactly the same is rather boring. It doesn't change the fact that if I have a choice of watching people sucking face or not, I'd really rather not.
 
2013-06-29 08:10:14 PM
I'm glad to see folks exercising their relatively high-extreme normative class and race privileges to rally for trans issues. However, as a transethnic autistic pangender asexual demiromantic otherkin(cat), I'm afraid there's just not a lot of support out there for me and my kind, so I think a little recognition of my daily struggles with psychonormative, heteronormative, homonormative, transnormative, ethnonormative, ableist, racist, classist, sizest, speciest attitudes that can make my life a living hell is well deserved.
 
2013-06-29 08:14:10 PM

mafiageek1980: Why be ashamed?


So you missed the entire part about the difference between "not proud because I didn't make a choice" and " not proud = ashamed." I'm not "proud" to be white, male, Catholic (never explored other religions), or American (never explored other countries). I'm not ashamed of those things either. I just am those things.

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation and gender identity are choices and not birth traits?
 
2013-06-29 08:14:14 PM

A Terrible Human: FreetardoRivera: Saborlas: In before transphobes being worthless haters.

I think you can be accepting of trannies and still point out that 99% of them look terrible.

How dare you not recognize the beauty of this I dunno what the fark this person is going for honestly.
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Whatever that is, it probably was just as ugly before it became a transsomething. Is it MTF? FTM? Who knows? Someone will have to take one for the team and find out.
 
2013-06-29 08:14:40 PM

RKade: I'd ask why they need to go so far (in regards to the surgery as opposed to just dealing with the hand they were dealt) but I did that in another thread and never got a good answer beyond "UR A BIGOT ND HOMOPHOBE LOLOLOL!" so I guess I'll just say...

Good for them. Where's my cripple march/roll?


Why should they accept the hand they were dealt when there's a perfectly viable solution? Why shouldn't any of us take advantage of modern medicine and technology to improve our lives when possible? Isn't that what it's there for? Bottom line it's their life, their body, their choice.

Also, it seems hypocritical to ask trans people to justify their choices but not the millions of others who elect to have cosmetic surgery. All those women out there getting boob jobs and vaginal beautification procedures? Just deal with it. All those guys who went for penile implants, etc? Deal with it. Hair restoration? Nope. You're going bald. Deal with it. Hair turning gray? Deal with it. Six fingers on your right hand? Deal with it.

Seriously, who gives a fark what someone else decides to do with their body. Unless you're sleeping with them it's really no one else's business.
 
2013-06-29 08:15:49 PM

JPINFV: FloydA: JPINFV:

On the other hand, given the pure shiat that homosexuals and transgendered folks get, being open with their sexual/gender identity is something to be proud about. That said, shoving it into everyone's faces is generally a bit counterproductive.

How inconvenienced were you by the Pride parades and celebrations in your city this weekend?  A lot?  Remember that there are 51 other weekends every year, so don't worry, it won't happen too frequently.

Public displays of affection (besides standard things like a peck) are disgusting regardless of whether it's a guy and a girl, two girls, two guys, or two guys, a girl, and a pizza place.


I guess we have different opinions about what is disgusting.  I consider genuine displays of affection to be pretty beautiful, even if I don't find the participants personally attractive.

Considering my goals this weekend is pretty much "stay the fark out of the heat," not that much. It doesn't change the fact that if I have to drive a mile or so out of my way because a parade of people saying "look at us, we're here!" than I'm going to be a little bit peeved. There's more than a slight difference between that and, say, a political protest (regardless of what they're arguing for and whether I support that argument) and a "look at us, we exist" parade.

As far as different opinions, awesome. Living in a world where everyone thinks exactly the same is rather boring. It doesn't change the fact that if I have a choice of watching people sucking face or not, I'd really rather not.


well, in that case, you might want to stay completely indoors if you don't want to see PDA, lol. And as far as the parade making your commute a LITTLE BIT LONGER, I suggest you never go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans, or any other type of "Event"/"March" in your own town. Just curious, would you complain if it were say a 4th of july parade that was making your trip home longer? Oh and what if you saw a couple engaging in some patriotic PDA? Oh my goodness, how nasty!
 
2013-06-29 08:17:25 PM

Foxxinnia: God-is-a-Taco: As the gay marriage battle winds down, this will be the new fight for rights and tolerance.
And I don't mean that in a bad way or anything, this country and much of the world still has a burning hatred for the transgendered.

Fark especially is a good example. People have begrudgingly accepted gays, but these threads are full of shiatheads.

Well homosexuality and transsexuality are two wildly different things, so makes sense why there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the support of them.


I don't think they are really as "wildly different" as you think.  But even if they were, there would still be a very pragmatic reason why lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgender folks (and others as well) have common cause: a common enemy.  By and large the same people who hate gays and lesbians also hate the transgender, and vice-versa.  Of course there are exceptions, but the overlap between the homophobes and the transphobes is quite large.

"The enemy of my enemy" is a very good reason for two groups to try to work together.
 
2013-06-29 08:19:32 PM

snocone: Foxxinnia: God-is-a-Taco: As the gay marriage battle winds down, this will be the new fight for rights and tolerance.
And I don't mean that in a bad way or anything, this country and much of the world still has a burning hatred for the transgendered.

Fark especially is a good example. People have begrudgingly accepted gays, but these threads are full of shiatheads.

Well homosexuality and transsexuality are two wildly different things, so makes sense why there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the support of them.

You gotta remember that 47% of people's brains slam shut over any word with that ""sexuality" thing in it. No cognition, just shut the fark down.


That's only true if it's legitimate sexuality.
 
2013-06-29 08:19:50 PM

JPINFV: I'm not "proud" to be white, male, Catholic (never explored other religions), or American (never explored other countries). I'm not ashamed of those things either.


I think the point of "pride marches" and the like is more to counter the shame that society at large attempts to force on those who identify as such. That's why you don't see any "hetero pride" marches and the like, because there aren't massive chunks of society dedicated to telling you that heterosexuality is unnatural and shameful and that you feel this way because there's something wrong with you.

So I think it's less about how they feel and more about countering how society wants them to feel.
 
2013-06-29 08:21:08 PM
JPINFV:

Considering my goals this weekend is pretty much "stay the fark out of the heat," not that much. It doesn't change the fact that if I have to drive a mile or so out of my way because a parade of people saying "look at us, we're here!" than I'm going to be a little bit peeved. There's more than a slight difference between that and, say, a political protest (regardless of what they're arguing for and whether I support that argument) and a "look at us, we exist" parade.


Fair enough, as long as you hold the Fourth of July, Memorial Day, St. Patrick's Day, etc. parades to the same standard.  Since you (wisely) stayed home out of the heat, I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that they were really "shoving it in your face" though (unless the parade route actually passes through your house, that would be excessive, and you'd have every right to complain!  I would too).

As far as different opinions, awesome. Living in a world where everyone thinks exactly the same is rather boring. It doesn't change the fact that if I have a choice of watching people sucking face or not, I'd really rather not.

Fair enough, as long as your solution is to just not look, and turn your head as you walk past, that's fine.  I'm sure we agree that nobody else is obligated to behave according to anyone's personal preferences but their own.  I can't stand Brussels sprouts, personally, but I wouldn't try to prevent other people from eating them, even if I had the power.
 
2013-06-29 08:22:28 PM
Gross.  Leave your weird ass fetishes in the bedroom where they belong.  Don't push this crap on normal people.
 
2013-06-29 08:23:33 PM

mafiageek1980: well, in that case, you might want to stay completely indoors if you don't want to see PDA, lol. And as far as the parade making your commute a LITTLE BIT LONGER, I suggest you never go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans, or any other type of "Event"/"March" in your own town. Just curious, would you complain if it were say a 4th of july parade that was making your trip home longer? Oh and what if you saw a couple engaging in some patriotic PDA? Oh my goodness, how nasty!



I'm sorry, I thought I was having an adult discussion here (I know.. it's Fark...), but the rather copious amounts of sarcasm in your post pretty much indicates that you have no inclination to having an adult conversation.
 
2013-06-29 08:23:42 PM

JPINFV: mafiageek1980: Why be ashamed?

So you missed the entire part about the difference between "not proud because I didn't make a choice" and " not proud = ashamed." I'm not "proud" to be white, male, Catholic (never explored other religions), or American (never explored other countries). I'm not ashamed of those things either. I just am those things.

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation and gender identity are choices and not birth traits?


Nope.They can be both, depending on who you ask. But do YOU get picked on because you are white/male/catholic? Do YOU get bullied because of who you are? Do YOU get strange looks when you walk down the street? Can YOU go into a bathroom without their being screams and biatching about you being in the "wrong" bathroom?
 
2013-06-29 08:24:25 PM
Isn't self confidence enough?

Why do we all need to be prideful as if we're better or special unique snowflakes?

pride  
/prīd/
Noun
A feeling of pleasure from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is associated, or from qualities or possessio...
Verb
Be especially proud of a particular quality or skill.
Synonyms
noun.      arrogance - haughtiness - vanity - conceit
verb.      glory - boast


Why do we, as a society value pride so much?  I think it's an un-needed route to self confidence that often causes even more strife.

Just as an example:
I'm not proud of my skin color or sex/sexual preference, I just am.  The sun is not proud it rises every day, it just does.  I am thankful that I don't have to go through what some others have, but not prideful. I am prideful of some of my skills(like the ability to masturbate furiously for SECONDS on end), but not of those things which were granted me.  I'm humbly prideful for having gone through some of what I have, but it's not a point of boasting. I don't call attention to myself for it(unless it's within a specific topical discussion IE "I have been through X, so I do know what it's like, I think you can do it")

I think that is part of the problem.  Simply calling it a "Pride" parade is self defeating if you're wishing to convince others you are equals, as it inherently comes off as arrogance.  Bigots will see it as a challenge, an insult, not as a demonstration of fact.  You shouldn't "challenge" them to accept you, you should "convince" them.

Granting confidence to those in the closet is more akin to a side-effect, than a goal achieved efficiently.

/but what do I know
//flame on accusing me of being gay or secretly lusting after them or whatever
///because more insults via intent and animosity are the very definition of "helping"....apparently
 
2013-06-29 08:25:55 PM

JPINFV: ACunningPlan: Bad luck on having to attend a meeting - sounds ghastly - must confess my only perception comes from the t.v./movie cliche:)

Meh, I've had to do worse things for medical school. I can see how it's useful for alcoholics. Not being an alcoholic nor being present in order to support any specific individual makes it more of an hour of my life I'd like to get back.


That doesn't surprise me at all!
 
2013-06-29 08:27:13 PM

ACunningPlan: I wonder if anyone whose tastes lie in this direction, ever pretends to be TG at this sort of an event?  Like people that attend AA meetings [and there are people that do] to socialize and pick up dates etc., but aren't actually alcoholics.


It may be worth pointing out the difference between transgender and transsexual.  A transsexual is the classic "woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa.  "Transgender" is an umbrella term which includes transsexual but also includes a number of other folk who aren't actually transsexual but who otherwise differ from what society sees as "normal" in terms of sexual identity.  To give one example, there are many people who regularly cross-dress but who are not transsexual.

So keep in mind that there are many people who are NOT transsexual but who ARE transgender.  If you meet such a person, please don't just assume that they are "pretending" or "faking it."
 
2013-06-29 08:28:34 PM

JPINFV: mafiageek1980: well, in that case, you might want to stay completely indoors if you don't want to see PDA, lol. And as far as the parade making your commute a LITTLE BIT LONGER, I suggest you never go to Mardi Gras in New Orleans, or any other type of "Event"/"March" in your own town. Just curious, would you complain if it were say a 4th of july parade that was making your trip home longer? Oh and what if you saw a couple engaging in some patriotic PDA? Oh my goodness, how nasty!


I'm sorry, I thought I was having an adult discussion here (I know.. it's Fark...), but the rather copious amounts of sarcasm in your post pretty much indicates that you have no inclination to having an adult conversation.


I wasn't being sarcastic and I am sooo sorry I had to use a holiday parade to make my point. You (IHMO) made a statement about OUR pride parade holding you up from getting home. I merely asked you if another type of parade would have you so upset about being in traffic and if you saw a couple kissing at THAT parade would you find it so gross. But, you can read it as me being a smartass if you want. It's your choice, but that's the tone I intended my reply to be.
 
2013-06-29 08:28:54 PM

kukukupo: Gross.  Leave your weird ass fetishes in the bedroom where they belong.  Don't push this crap on normal people.


So, I expect you'll be dressed in your government mandated attire the next time you're out? What's that? Oh right. There is no official dress code and people can wear whatever they like even if you personally find it obnoxious and silly.

Kind of like all those people that wear their pants halfway down(seriously pull yer g'damn pants up for crissakes).
 
2013-06-29 08:29:28 PM

megarian: Hmmmm.....might yum. Depends on beer/movie selections. And as long as he's okay with me beer-drinking while WOWing.


Indeed I am. Are you on Moon Guard, by any chance? I've got a Rogue I'd love to run ToT with you.

Although I'm rather confused at what  atomicmask thinks he's accomplished by posting a picture of me I publicly posted in my profile in the thread. Am I supposed to be insulted or something?
 
2013-06-29 08:29:40 PM
I don't get the transgender hate, period.

I mean, I like men, 100%.  Some people like women 100%.  But that's irrelevant.  Not everybody is 100% male or 100% female.  Some people have different bodies, chromosomes, sex organs than what society perceives.  What does it matter?  If you're not attracted to somebody, then so be it.  If you're attracted to someone that doesn't fit the stereotypical gender mold, then so be it.  What's the big deal?  How does it negatively impact your life?  If it does, then how is that impact anything but self inflicted or concocted from ignorance?

Let people be who and what they are and move on with it.  Stop being a bitter, hateful asshole.  Transgender concerns aside, you'll be a happier, healthier person for it.
 
2013-06-29 08:30:24 PM

omeganuepsilon: [cutting large chunk of text to save space and not annoy everyone else]


Like I mentioned a couple of posts back, my understanding is that "pride parades" are designed to counteract the shame that society aims at people just for existing the way they do. Granted, it may seem confrontational but it's a very easy way to raise awareness, which can also help to counter social shame. You don't get "straight parades" because you're not made to feel shameful, unwanted and generally less for it.

I think that is part of the problem.  Simply calling it a "Pride" parade is self defeating if you're wishing to convince others you are equals, as it inherently comes off as arrogance.  Bigots will see it as a challenge, an insult, not as a demonstration of fact.  You shouldn't "challenge" them to accept you, you should "convince" them.

So how would you go about it?
 
2013-06-29 08:30:34 PM

ciberido: ACunningPlan: I wonder if anyone whose tastes lie in this direction, ever pretends to be TG at this sort of an event?  Like people that attend AA meetings [and there are people that do] to socialize and pick up dates etc., but aren't actually alcoholics.

It may be worth pointing out the difference between transgender and transsexual.  A transsexual is the classic "woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa.  "Transgender" is an umbrella term which includes transsexual but also includes a number of other folk who aren't actually transsexual but who otherwise differ from what society sees as "normal" in terms of sexual identity.  To give one example, there are many people who regularly cross-dress but who are not transsexual.

So keep in mind that there are many people who are NOT transsexual but who ARE transgender.  If you meet such a person, please don't just assume that they are "pretending" or "faking it."


THIS
 
2013-06-29 08:31:27 PM

jso2897: Is it me, or is the quality of Fark trolling shiat-poor lately?


Well, it's Pride Weekend around these parts. They probably have a full schedule.
 
2013-06-29 08:31:38 PM

atomicmask: hardinparamedic: atomicmask: PS, what you posted was attention whores.

I'm sorry. I can't hear your whining over the sound of how awesome these people are.

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Sorry. You're pretty much Abe at this point.

Hey look, I found another picture of a huge delusional dork!
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Also you trail me around like the tail I never wanted, god damn you have the biggest mancrush on me I have ever seen.


Oh gods no! You went into my profile and posted a picture I publicly posted for people to see anyway!

Oh the horror. Oh the shame you might have caught me in day two of Farm Rescue/Extraction training! Oh Gosh, How Will I ever live down a racist, homophobic old man who tells other countries the meaning of racial purity for their people making fun of me on the internet!
 
2013-06-29 08:31:42 PM
*Popcorn*

/next TG support group meeting next week
 
2013-06-29 08:33:05 PM

omeganuepsilon: Why do we all need to be prideful as if we're better or special unique snowflakes?


you're rather missing the point
 
2013-06-29 08:34:01 PM

FloydA: Fair enough, as long as you hold the Fourth of July, Memorial Day, St. Patrick's Day, etc. parades to the same standard. Since you (wisely) stayed home out of the heat, I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that they were really "shoving it in your face" though (unless the parade route actually passes through your house, that would be excessive, and you'd have every right to complain! I would too).



Pretty much. I'm honestly not much of a parade person anyways. Except Disneyland parades. I love those. More so because they tend to shorten the lines to the rides than for the actual content. Of course 6 Flags > Knotts > Disneyland, but now we're headed off on a tangent.

Fair enough, as long as your solution is to just not look, and turn your head as you walk past, that's fine. I'm sure we agree that nobody else is obligated to behave according to anyone's personal preferences but their own. I can't stand Brussels sprouts, personally, but I wouldn't try to prevent other people from eating them, even if I had the power.

...and I completely agree. My personal favorite retort to people fighting against gay marriage on religious grounds is to ask them when the fight against no-fault divorce is going to start? That hurts the "sanctity of marriage" infinitely more than gay marriage does. However considering most people can see themselves or someone they love getting a divorce easier than getting a gay marriage, it's not something they plan on fighting against.
 
2013-06-29 08:34:41 PM

mafiageek1980: JPINFV: bwilson27: I respect everyone's right to do or be whatever they want. Have NO problem with it... But look at me!!! I need attention!!

as far as being "out", we wouldn't have the NEED to be "out" if being Trans didn't lead to being bullied (or worse), and not accepted for who we are. So yeah, until we are seen as equals (aka: no one would think twice about seeing a Trans person in public/PDA, etc) then yeah, we have to "parade" and inform the public about us to promote understand and pride. There's a trans closet, and I am glad I am out of it. Why be ashamed?


I understand that. Thanks for saying it.
 
2013-06-29 08:35:33 PM
I'm just a boy in a dress!?

www.latinheat.com

/ Don't give a shiat
// Fly yer freak flag wherever it suits ya...
 
2013-06-29 08:36:43 PM

ciberido: It may be worth pointing out the difference between transgender and transsexual.  A transsexual is the classic "woman trapped in a man's body" or vice-versa.  "Transgender" is an umbrella term which includes transsexual but also includes a number of other folk who aren't actually transsexual but who otherwise differ from what society sees as "normal" in terms of sexual identity.  To give one example, there are many people who regularly cross-dress but who are not transsexual.

So keep in mind that there are many people who are NOT transsexual but who ARE transgender.  If you meet such a person, please don't just assume that they are "pretending" or "faking it."


I'm more confused at the people who can't seem to separate Gender from Sexual Fetishes (like Emassculation or Crossdressing), and seem to assume people who are either transsexual or transgendered are just trying to shove their "fetish" in other people's faces.

Come to think of it, inability to separate neurobiological or psychological concepts from sexual acts seems to be a running theme for the religious/social "conservatives"

/and I use that term as a farcical, mocking term.
 
2013-06-29 08:37:27 PM
Please everyone.  Mind your own business with regards to personal aspects of other people's lives.  Develop boundaries and maintain them.

/that is all
 
2013-06-29 08:38:35 PM

Shedim: She's also been about my only source - it seems the only decent information about trans* people comes from trans* people themselves. Which is handy in terms of getting good quality, firsthand information, but there isn't exactly a wealth of it in mainstream media (TV, film, literature, video games etc.). If I may go a little off-topic, what do you think could be done about getting more information out there in helpful ways?


Well, there are websites and books and the usual resources.  You might start with "True Selves" or "Just Add Hormones."  For a website, I guess I'd begin with glaad.org's transgender page.

Also keep in mind that, while firsthand information is great, no single person can speak for all transgender folk, just as no single woman can speak for all lesbians or single man can speak for all gay men.
 
2013-06-29 08:38:39 PM
what about a parade for fat trannies or trans fats
 
2013-06-29 08:38:53 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: where's the obesity pride parade??

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This is the obesity pride parade - they don't like to walk much.
 
2013-06-29 08:40:35 PM
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2013-06-29 08:41:07 PM

ciberido: Well, there are websites and books and the usual resources.  You might start with "True Selves" or "Just Add Hormones."  For a website, I guess I'd begin with glaad.org's transgender page.

Also keep in mind that, while firsthand information is great, no single person can speak for all transgender folk, just as no single woman can speak for all lesbians or single man can speak for all gay men.


The good resources currently to research are the psychiatric community groups, like the APA, who are currently leading the charge in treatment of TG/TS individuals. There is a huge push to identify and treat these patients as children and before puberty, as it is a lot safer and less invasive/painful and expensive to do so. Europe has been ahead of the curve for a while now.
 
2013-06-29 08:41:10 PM

ciberido: Shedim: She's also been about my only source - it seems the only decent information about trans* people comes from trans* people themselves. Which is handy in terms of getting good quality, firsthand information, but there isn't exactly a wealth of it in mainstream media (TV, film, literature, video games etc.). If I may go a little off-topic, what do you think could be done about getting more information out there in helpful ways?

Well, there are websites and books and the usual resources.  You might start with "True Selves" or "Just Add Hormones."  For a website, I guess I'd begin with glaad.org's transgender page.

Also keep in mind that, while firsthand information is great, no single person can speak for all transgender folk, just as no single woman can speak for all lesbians or single man can speak for all gay men.


THIS. It takes a combo of getting to know others and research.
 
2013-06-29 08:41:14 PM

willfullyobscure: I'm glad to see folks exercising their relatively high-extreme normative class and race privileges to rally for trans issues. However, as a transethnic autistic pangender asexual demiromantic otherkin(cat), I'm afraid there's just not a lot of support out there for me and my kind, so I think a little recognition of my daily struggles with psychonormative, heteronormative, homonormative, transnormative, ethnonormative, ableist, racist, classist, sizest, speciest attitudes that can make my life a living hell is well deserved.


Oh god, the Tumblr, it burns
 
2013-06-29 08:41:45 PM
:A lot of fuss for about 20 people (how many multiple photos of people did I see)?
 
2013-06-29 08:44:49 PM

hardinparamedic: I'm more confused at the people who can't seem to separate Gender from Sexual Fetishes (like Emassculation or Crossdressing), and seem to assume people who are either transsexual or transgendered are just trying to shove their "fetish" in other people's faces.

Come to think of it, inability to separate neurobiological or psychological concepts from sexual acts seems to be a running theme for the religious/social "conservatives"

/and I use that term as a farcical, mocking term.



You can only give people the benefit-of-the-doubt-rope for so long, before you have to let go.

By the way, transgendered is a bullshiat word, because transgender is already an adjective. The former makes it sound as if it's something that someone has been struck with, and that certainly isn't the case.
 
2013-06-29 08:45:14 PM

mafiageek1980: I wasn't being sarcastic and I am sooo sorry I had to use a holiday parade to make my point. You (IHMO) made a statement about OUR pride parade holding you up from getting home. I merely asked you if another type of parade would have you so upset about being in traffic and if you saw a couple kissing at THAT parade would you find it so gross. But, you can read it as me being a smartass if you want. It's your choice, but that's the tone I intended my reply to be.


Yes, because there's another way to interpret that final comment of "how nasty" and it continues in this post with word choices like "sooo sorry." The righteous indignation isn't called for and it's quite frankly coming off as a "OMG, like someone is so disagreeing with me. How dare they disagree with me."


In regards to PDA at pride parades vs elsewhere, as I already qualified, I don't care whether it's "a guy and a girl, two girls, two guys, or two guys, a girl, and a pizza place." No, seriously, that's pretty much an exact quote (I didn't copy-pasta it) that I used very early on in this thread, including the rather lame pop culture reference.

The "holiday parade" is a perfectly valid analogy, and I'm honestly not a parade person anyways.
 
2013-06-29 08:45:35 PM

Shedim: Utter Genius: Meanwhile, back in reality, there is zero scientific evidence that sex reassignment surgery improves anyone's life or mental well-being.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Citations do not work that way.
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I mean, I don't doubt that such evidence exists, but the proper move on your part is to post the evidence, thus proving him wrong.

/ Or, to paraphrase Dick Cheney: Absence of the evidence of the absence of evidence is not evidence of the absence of the absence of evidence
 
2013-06-29 08:45:45 PM

mafiageek1980: Shedim: RKade: I'd ask why they need to go so far (in regards to the surgery as opposed to just dealing with the hand they were dealt) but I did that in another thread and never got a good answer beyond "UR A BIGOT ND HOMOPHOBE LOLOLOL!"

Well, I'm not an authority on this (lowest difficulty setting and an admittedly incomplete understanding of the subject), but I don't think all trans* people view the surgery the same way. Some trans* people are happy to just identify as the other gender without wanting to go through the surgery at all, and they're okay with being a man that happens to have a vagina or a woman who happens to have a penis. For those that want the surgery, I think it's more to do with wanting a body that physically matches their mental gender, so they choose to go through the counselling, hormones, surgery and all that.

So I guess it's more down to the individual trans* person; some are okay with how they are, others would appreciate the correction - asking the dealer for replacement cards instead of trying to use the hand they have, to clumsily continue the poker analogy.

/I welcome additions/corrections/slaps upside the head from actual trans* people that happen to read this.

You did very well. I am in the catagory of "not wanting the surgery". I don't feel the NEED to have the surgery to feel like a dude even though I ID as a dude. and you are right: Each trans person is different. So yeah, you kick ass and all :) Thanks :)


Well son of a biatch... a real honest to god answer from someone who wasn't a trans backed up by a trans... and the first answer to boot.

*shakes head* I don't understand this topsy-turvy world! It wasn't at ALL like this last time! :P

In all seriousness, thank you very much, both of you, for that very nice and easy to understand explanation. Now I just need to find a trans who did the surgery and pick their brain. Surely, that's for more private channels than a thread like this though.
 
2013-06-29 08:46:20 PM
JPINFV:

...and I completely agree. My personal favorite retort to people fighting against gay marriage on religious grounds is to ask them when the fight against no-fault divorce is going to start? That hurts the "sanctity of marriage" infinitely more than gay marriage does. However considering most people can see themselves or someone they love getting a divorce easier than getting a gay marriage, it's not something they plan on fighting against.

Good point.  My personal opinion is that the pride week block parties tend to be pretty fun, and the costumes can be funny, so I'm all in favor of this tradition.  Any excuse to celebrate is a good one, IMO.

 Speaking of which, the pub's just opened, so I'm outa here.  See ya.
 
2013-06-29 08:47:17 PM
Oh, and when in doubt, assume the person is a "he".  It might seem sexist, but generally those who identify as female will let it slide, and those who identify will as male will be happy.
 
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