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2013-06-29 11:55:39 AM  
What, someone actually expected a different outcome?
 
2013-06-29 12:37:00 PM  

simplicimus: What, someone actually expected a different outcome?


Seriously

/they just elected a new meat puppet
//they didn't change their government at all
 
2013-06-29 01:14:14 PM  
So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?
 
2013-06-29 01:17:09 PM  

BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?


No, probably just another proxy war like Korea and Vietnam, with some religious genocide on the side.
 
2013-06-29 01:17:53 PM  
Can we send Congress to fight this war?
 
2013-06-29 01:18:19 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: simplicimus: What, someone actually expected a different outcome?

Seriously

/they just elected a new meat puppet
//they didn't change their government at all


Elected officials are Meat Puppets? Wow .. that explains a lot. What would Obama look like if he, too, were a Meat Puppet?
 
2013-06-29 01:18:42 PM  
malvasiabianca.org
 
2013-06-29 01:18:59 PM  
Bah... Obama won't do squat.
 
2013-06-29 01:20:08 PM  

vbob: MaudlinMutantMollusk: simplicimus: What, someone actually expected a different outcome?

Seriously

/they just elected a new meat puppet
//they didn't change their government at all

Elected officials are Meat Puppets? Wow .. that explains a lot. What would Obama look like if he, too, were a Meat Puppet?


The Supreme Leader controls Iran's nuclear policy, not the President.
 
2013-06-29 01:21:35 PM  

bim1154: Bah... Obama won't do squat.


Neither would I. Options are: Send arms to Al Qaeda or support a dictator.
 
2013-06-29 01:21:43 PM  
Won't someone think of the tailors.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-29 01:21:54 PM  

simplicimus: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

No, probably just another proxy war like Korea and Vietnam, with some religious genocide on the side


If something flares up, the US will be fighting directly.  Israel will certainly be involved, and then so will we, if not proactively--then reactively.  It's quite similar to the circumstances preceding the First World War...
 
2013-06-29 01:24:22 PM  

simplicimus: bim1154: Bah... Obama won't do squat.

Neither would I. Options are: Send arms to Al Qaeda or support a dictator.


Or, as you said, C: none of the above.
 
2013-06-29 01:25:32 PM  

vbob: MaudlinMutantMollusk: simplicimus: What, someone actually expected a different outcome?

Seriously

/they just elected a new meat puppet
//they didn't change their government at all

Elected officials are Meat Puppets? Wow .. that explains a lot. What would Obama look like if he, too, were a Meat Puppet?


A bucket and a mop.
 
2013-06-29 01:25:50 PM  

bim1154: Bah... Obama won't do squat.


Why the f*ck would he?
 
2013-06-29 01:28:17 PM  

BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?


www.37days.com

You're getting warm.
 
2013-06-29 01:32:37 PM  

macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.


oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet
 
2013-06-29 01:33:00 PM  

generallyso: Can we send Congress to fight this war?


Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief"
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no no no
 
2013-06-29 01:33:32 PM  
Remember people. Vote Republican President for 2016 so Israel can achieve its goal of committing nuclear Genocide against the big meanies that don't grovel at their dirty feet.

/Oh and a big thanks to the CIA and Saint Reagan for making the Rightwing religious mess known as Iran.
//And of course many thanks to the assholes who created Israel and armed them to wipe out the people of Palestine.
///Can't commit global nuclear genocide if Israel does not exist, as then the christians won't go to heaven.
 
2013-06-29 01:34:55 PM  

Piizzadude: macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.

oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet



We can't let our troops be exposed to their healthcare system.
 
2013-06-29 01:35:17 PM  

A Shambling Mound: bim1154: Bah... Obama won't do squat.

Why the f*ck would he?


If there's a good reason, I haven't heard it.
 
2013-06-29 01:37:02 PM  
img196.imageshack.us
 
2013-06-29 01:37:49 PM  
Can anyone rationally explain just why it's so bad for Iran to develop nuclear technologies?  Let's say they do want to be able to make bombs.  Okay, so what?

There is zero chance they'll just hand them over to some radical terrorist group.  No control over the use, plus instant massive retaliation if they're ever used?   Why sure!  Give Hamas and al Quaida a dozen each!

Well, they'll use them to attack Israel?  Number of times Iran has attacked Israel - 0.  Number of times Iran has attacked anyone in the past 200 years - 0.  Estimated number of nuclear weapons Israel has, and would use to retaliate - 200.  Probability that an attack on Israel would be national suicide - 100%.

They'll sell them to other nations, like Syria?  See the problems with giving them to terrorist groups above.

Why does Iran want nukes anyway?  Well, there's pride in joining the big boy club of the US, Russia, China, UK, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel.  Definitely a deterrent to invasion, but that's self-defense against the US and we're not supposed to talk about that.  Development of modern precision manufacturing capabilities, electronics and related supplies too.

So what, exactly, is the real problem worth getting the US into yet another war over?
 
2013-06-29 01:39:11 PM  

vbob: MaudlinMutantMollusk: simplicimus: What, someone actually expected a different outcome?

Seriously

/they just elected a new meat puppet
//they didn't change their government at all

Elected officials are Meat Puppets? Wow .. that explains a lot. What would Obama look like if he, too, were a Meat Puppet?


www.glidemagazine.com
Something like this, I suppose.
 
2013-06-29 01:39:42 PM  

macadamnut: Piizzadude: macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.

oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet


We can't let our troops be exposed to their healthcare system.


Why not? They are close to compatible now. sorta in a Win98 SE - Windows 7 kinda way

/I am ok with ObamaCare
 
2013-06-29 01:40:59 PM  

Piizzadude: macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.

oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet


You tried a couple times. Never worked.
 
2013-06-29 01:42:32 PM  

Piizzadude: macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.

oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet


twilight.ponychan.net
War.  War never changes.
 
2013-06-29 01:45:13 PM  
Iran
www.omelhordohumor.net
 
2013-06-29 01:48:07 PM  
I say we invade and teach those muthafarkers how to tie a tie.


/Windsor strategy
 
2013-06-29 01:51:24 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [img196.imageshack.us image 640x823]


I wish we had that poster during the Bush Administration.
 
2013-06-29 01:51:31 PM  

Rozinante: Piizzadude: macadamnut: BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?

[www.37days.com image 450x295]

You're getting warm.

oh come on, Canada would help us.

/still not sure why we havent annex'd them yet

You tried a couple times. Never worked.


global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-06-29 01:51:42 PM  
FTA:   Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani, said production of nuclear fuel would ``continue in line with our declared goals. The enrichment linked to fuel production will also not change.''

I am very curious as why he chose to word it that way.
 
2013-06-29 01:51:44 PM  
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                                                                        Goood!!!!
 
2013-06-29 01:54:07 PM  
That's sporting of them.  Most folks would be all NIMBY.
 
2013-06-29 01:54:14 PM  
Oh you Handsome Devil
 
2013-06-29 01:54:23 PM  
Maybe it's time some international group that represents several countries write them a letter and ask that they don't do this.
 
2013-06-29 01:56:14 PM  

boyvoyeur: Maybe it's time some international group that represents several countries write them a letter and ask that they don't do this.


i.telegraph.co.uk
We don't have time for that!  Don't worry; the war will only take five minutes.  Five hours.  Five days at the MOST, but I don't see that happening.
 
2013-06-29 02:04:22 PM  
So the US is allowed to have and use nuclear weapons but Iran isn't?

That hardly seems fair.
 
2013-06-29 02:07:50 PM  

El Pachuco: Can anyone rationally explain just why it's so bad for Iran to develop nuclear technologies?  Let's say they do want to be able to make bombs.  Okay, so what?

There is zero chance they'll just hand them over to some radical terrorist group.  No control over the use, plus instant massive retaliation if they're ever used?   Why sure!  Give Hamas and al Quaida a dozen each!

Well, they'll use them to attack Israel?  Number of times Iran has attacked Israel - 0.  Number of times Iran has attacked anyone in the past 200 years - 0.  Estimated number of nuclear weapons Israel has, and would use to retaliate - 200.  Probability that an attack on Israel would be national suicide - 100%.

They'll sell them to other nations, like Syria?  See the problems with giving them to terrorist groups above.

Why does Iran want nukes anyway?  Well, there's pride in joining the big boy club of the US, Russia, China, UK, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel.  Definitely a deterrent to invasion, but that's self-defense against the US and we're not supposed to talk about that.  Development of modern precision manufacturing capabilities, electronics and related supplies too.

So what, exactly, is the real problem worth getting the US into yet another war over?


The spreading of the technology. Iran would be able export materials and knowledge to other countries. Which spreads to other countries, etc. Until you get to the point where highly unstable countries have nukes that may go missing.

China helped Pakistan. Pakistan helped Best Korea. Best Korea is now helping Iran.

Imagine if that chain continues. It is inevitable a rogue group will eventually have access to nuclear materials or a bomb.
 
2013-06-29 02:08:23 PM  
... but do they call it 'the ex-wife'?....
 
2013-06-29 02:15:13 PM  

jmr61: So the US is allowed to have and use nuclear weapons but Iran isn't?

That hardly seems fair.


yep, nope and who cares?
 
2013-06-29 02:17:26 PM  

ethernet76: Imagine if that chain continues. It is inevitable a rogue group will eventually have access to nuclear materials or a bomb.


You never fear the guy who wants 10 nukes.

You fear the guy who only wants one.
 
2013-06-29 02:18:54 PM  

simplicimus: bim1154: Bah... Obama won't do squat.

Neither would I. Options are: Send arms to Al Qaeda or support a dictator.


Isn't it Assad vs. werewolves?
 
2013-06-29 02:22:48 PM  

El Pachuco: Can anyone rationally explain just why it's so bad for Iran to develop nuclear technologies?  Let's say they do want to be able to make bombs.  Okay, so what?

There is zero chance they'll just hand them over to some radical terrorist group.  No control over the use, plus instant massive retaliation if they're ever used?   Why sure!  Give Hamas and al Quaida a dozen each!

Well, they'll use them to attack Israel?  Number of times Iran has attacked Israel - 0.  Number of times Iran has attacked anyone in the past 200 years - 0.  Estimated number of nuclear weapons Israel has, and would use to retaliate - 200.  Probability that an attack on Israel would be national suicide - 100%.

They'll sell them to other nations, like Syria?  See the problems with giving them to terrorist groups above.

Why does Iran want nukes anyway?  Well, there's pride in joining the big boy club of the US, Russia, China, UK, France, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel.  Definitely a deterrent to invasion, but that's self-defense against the US and we're not supposed to talk about that.  Development of modern precision manufacturing capabilities, electronics and related supplies too.

So what, exactly, is the real problem worth getting the US into yet another war over?


See here is your problem, your assumptions are wrong.

One, You assume there is zero chance they will hand over the weapons to a third party. That is a flawed assumption in as much as they have consistantly used proxies to engage their enemies and there is a non-negligible chance that they may engage in similar behavior.  It certainly isn't a huge risk, but I don't simply dismiss this.

Two, You only utilize attacks on Israel as a judgment of war and peace, what about their neighbors.  Iran is currently significantly involved in an ongoing war in Syria.  They have actively supported insurgency and terrorism around the world from the middle east, south america, and elsewhere.  They have engaged in armed conflict (although they were attacked) in Iran/Iraq war in the 1980s and the corresponding tanker wars. In short, although they have supported terrorism in Israel, they have not attacked them directly, but they have engaged in significant armed conflict with their near neighbors.

Three, you assume that they won't be a proliferation risk.  They are already engaging in proliferation of missile technology through cooperation with North Korea and other nations.  They freely sell and trade restricted technologies now, so there is little chance that they will avoid selling and trading nuclear technologies

Four,  we have not had a theocratic regime with nuclear weapons.  Given the ruling makeup of Iran and relative instability of this regime, there is a greater risk that they may utilize nuclear weapons they have, even if it results in adverse consequences for the larger nation. Not every nation utilizes the same value judgments when determining a course of action.

We don't need another unstable regime like Pakistan with nuclear weapons.  It increases the chances that these weapons will be used and potentially trigger greater destruction.  While nuclear weapons can engage in preventing war, in the hands of a unstable regime such as Iran, it can only increase the risk of their use and an extreme loss of life.
 
2013-06-29 02:23:52 PM  

sheep snorter: Remember people. Vote Republican President for 2016 so Israel can achieve its goal of committing nuclear Genocide against the big meanies that don't grovel at their dirty feet.

/Oh and a big thanks to the CIA and Saint Reagan for making the Rightwing religious mess known as Iran.
//And of course many thanks to the assholes who created Israel and armed them to wipe out the people of Palestine.
///Can't commit global nuclear genocide if Israel does not exist, as then the christians won't go to heaven.


Kennedy made Iran what it is today. Our best buddy Winston Churchill came asking for him to help topple the democratically elected President and re-install the Shah, because the President of Iran had ran on a platform of nationalizing the oil industry. The abuses of BP in Iran was a huge reason for the Shaw to be deposed in the first place. Kennedy's advisors told him to go ahead because it's Churchill. So the CIA set up a military coup, brought the Shah and his sister back from "retirement." Iran's government today is a direct reaction to our black-ops regime change against their actual attempt at real elected democracy. Read the book "All The Shah's Men" for more information. It was required reading for Anthropological Thought and Theory when I took that class.
 
2013-06-29 02:34:01 PM  

BolloxReader: sheep snorter: Remember people. Vote Republican President for 2016 so Israel can achieve its goal of committing nuclear Genocide against the big meanies that don't grovel at their dirty feet.

/Oh and a big thanks to the CIA and Saint Reagan for making the Rightwing religious mess known as Iran.
//And of course many thanks to the assholes who created Israel and armed them to wipe out the people of Palestine.
///Can't commit global nuclear genocide if Israel does not exist, as then the christians won't go to heaven.

Kennedy made Iran what it is today. Our best buddy Winston Churchill came asking for him to help topple the democratically elected President and re-install the Shah, because the President of Iran had ran on a platform of nationalizing the oil industry. The abuses of BP in Iran was a huge reason for the Shaw to be deposed in the first place. Kennedy's advisors told him to go ahead because it's Churchill. So the CIA set up a military coup, brought the Shah and his sister back from "retirement." Iran's government today is a direct reaction to our black-ops regime change against their actual attempt at real elected democracy. Read the book "All The Shah's Men" for more information. It was required reading for Anthropological Thought and Theory when I took that class.


Why would he read a book when he can much more easily just blindly blame everything on Republicans and the right wing?
 
2013-06-29 02:34:58 PM  

BravadoGT: So, WWIII is lining up to be DPRC/RUS/SYR/IRAN/LEB vs. USA/ISR/UK/EU/AUS?  Plus give or take a Korea, and Pakistan and India looking for wild cards?


We've always been at war with Eastasia, we've never fought against Eurasia...

/same old war with a new set of words.


Please don't call them a 'Islamic republic'. They are religion-heisting power mongers, who are willing to kill everyone ...except themselves.
 
2013-06-29 02:36:22 PM  
simplicimus:
No, probably just another proxy war like Korea and Vietnam, with some religious genocide on the side.

hehehe those didnt result in US victory

/ just sayin
 
2013-06-29 02:39:27 PM  

Slartibartfaster: simplicimus:
No, probably just another proxy war like Korea and Vietnam, with some religious genocide on the side.

hehehe those didnt result in US victory

/ just sayin


Remains to be seen if Iraq and Afghanistan are "wins" either. But we won Grenada.
 
2013-06-29 02:39:53 PM  

ethernet76: The spreading of the technology. Iran would be able export materials and knowledge to other countries. Which spreads to other countries, etc. Until you get to the point where highly unstable countries have nukes that may go missing.


remind me
which country invented nukes then accidentally spread them to all other nuclear nations ?
while yer at it, can you list all the countries that have nuked civilian populations

sorry Im getting a bit old my memory gets a bit hazy
 
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