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(CBS News)   Going the 200 mile distance in an ultramarathon may be healthier than stopping after 100 miles. This is great news for all five people who like to run non-stop for three straight days   (cbsnews.com) divider line 78
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2013-06-29 11:22:22 AM  
I'll stick to 200 meters marathons

/I sound fat
 
2013-06-29 11:28:54 AM  
They found out that at the end of the race, the Tor des Geants runners had less muscle fatigues and soreness compared to their counterparts who had run half the distance.
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Perhaps the people who stopped intended to stop and were not as fit as the counterparts who trained for 200. Just a thought.
 
2013-06-29 11:34:57 AM  

jake3988: They found out that at the end of the race, the Tor des Geants runners had less muscle fatigues and soreness compared to their counterparts who had run half the distance.
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Perhaps the people who stopped intended to stop and were not as fit as the counterparts who trained for 200. Just a thought.


Even running 100 miles requires you to be so freakishly fit that I doubt that going up to 200 actually makes much difference.
 
2013-06-29 11:39:57 AM  
Ultra stupid, no matter how you stack it.
 
2013-06-29 12:10:14 PM  
The best way to run an ultramarathon is to cruise the route at 5 m.p.h. in the back of an air-conditioned limo, sipping martinis and occasionally getting out to walk or jog for a block or so, to stretch the legs and clear the head.

/added to bucket list
 
2013-06-29 12:17:50 PM  
My brother is preparing for a 100K race, and that seems like more than enough.

/crazy farker
//my family is two fit brothers bookended by two fatass brothers
///I am one of the bookends
 
2013-06-29 12:25:43 PM  
This makes sense in a way in relation to human evolution.

humans are as a species capable of long distance hunting...persistence hunting.  The average person can (in reasonable shape) move up to 30 miles a day.  Only wolves do that aside from us and they do it over much larger territories.  A lot of it has to do with our high muscle density.  So a slower pace (3.5 mph) vs over 4mph might make a huge difference in muscle strain and impact on bones and the like.  Of course training for a 200 mile...brisk walk is also tough and likely their bone density is higher as well from the constant impacts.

So yeah article is good and reveals a little bit more of what our bodies are capable of with training.  Not that its healthy to do that all the time...but given the right stress populations of humans have had and still have the ability to move long distances in fairly short periods of time.  This knowledge can help with migration predictions for archaeologists.  Maybe now they can work out the average speed in a better way.

*shrugs*
/more useless information clogging my brain.
//back to listening to In Flames
 
2013-06-29 12:35:59 PM  
We can't stop here, this is 100th mile
 
2013-06-29 01:01:34 PM  
FTA: "The reason why the 200-mile runners weren't as fatigued as the 100-mile group may be due to pacing. The Tor des Geants runners averaged 3.4 miles per hour during their course, while the 100-mile runners took a faster 4.5 miles per hour pace."

I thought dropping below 4 MPH for too long bought you a ticket on The Long Walk.
 
2013-06-29 01:16:46 PM  

Mad_Radhu: FTA: "The reason why the 200-mile runners weren't as fatigued as the 100-mile group may be due to pacing. The Tor des Geants runners averaged 3.4 miles per hour during their course, while the 100-mile runners took a faster 4.5 miles per hour pace."

I thought dropping below 4 MPH for too long bought you a ticket on The Long Walk.


Nicely done
 
2013-06-29 01:40:23 PM  

Mad_Radhu: FTA: "The reason why the 200-mile runners weren't as fatigued as the 100-mile group may be due to pacing. The Tor des Geants runners averaged 3.4 miles per hour during their course, while the 100-mile runners took a faster 4.5 miles per hour pace."

I thought dropping below 4 MPH for too long bought you a ticket on The Long Walk.


Also, don't most people walk between 3-4 mph?
 
2013-06-29 01:52:28 PM  
I run for three days straight every time I eat Taco Bell
 
2013-06-29 02:03:45 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Ultra stupid, no matter how you stack it.


Any idiot can run a marathon but it takes a special kind of idiot to run an ultra.

Carth: Also, don't most people walk between 3-4 mph?


Most ultra runners use a run/walk strategy instead of trying to run the full distance and on top of that you spend some time pissing/crapping/puking, sitting so you can change your shoes/socks, apply anti-chafing goo and various things like that that drag your overall average pace down.
 
2013-06-29 02:03:47 PM  
I think if you can make it to 100 miles, you're healthy enough.
 
2013-06-29 02:11:32 PM  

KCCO: HotIgneous Intruder: Ultra stupid, no matter how you stack it.

Any idiot can run a marathon but it takes a special kind of idiot to run an ultra.

Carth: Also, don't most people walk between 3-4 mph?

Most ultra runners use a run/walk strategy instead of trying to run the full distance and on top of that you spend some time pissing/crapping/puking, sitting so you can change your shoes/socks, apply anti-chafing goo and various things like that that drag your overall average pace down.


Oh ok. The longest running race i've done is 50k so the low average speed seemed weird. I wonder if some elite runners could actually run 50 miles. Sleep for a few hours and do it again 3 times and win.
 
2013-06-29 02:22:40 PM  
Any studies on the effects of walking 500 miles and then walking 500 more?
 
2013-06-29 02:23:08 PM  
I wonder what the data would be on road course ultramarathons as opposed to trail running ultramarathons. Both of the studied races are on trials where the running is far slower than on a road ultramarathon.
 
2013-06-29 02:25:48 PM  

Carth: I wonder if some elite runners could actually run 50 miles


There are people who can run 100 miles straight through. The thing with the races in TFA is they're trail runs, so no pavement, having to deal with loose gravel, mud, steep elevation changes etc, lots of stuff where you have to slow down to deal with it safely.
 
2013-06-29 02:27:29 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

/ slow, is the tempo
 
2013-06-29 02:53:35 PM  
WhyteRaven74 * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-29 02:25:48 PM Carth: I wonder if some elite runners could actually run 50 miles There are people who can run 100 miles straight through. The thing with the races in TFA is they're trail runs, so no pavement, having to deal with loose gravel, mud, steep elevation changes etc, lots of stuff where you have to slow down to deal with it safely.
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Yeah. Plus, you have to do trail runs going that far. Otherwise you're going to murder your knees and ankles so fast your career in the sport would be over before you even finished training for one.
 
2013-06-29 03:11:07 PM  
I am preparing for 2 Ultra's in the next two years and this is an interesting article.

However, doesn't it make sense that there will be more "Fatigue", which the researches metrics were knee and foot "strain" (how they measured that I don't know), and electrical signals, for somebody going faster at a shorter distance than there would be for somebody going slower for longer?

Also, was the temperature, humidity, elevation, and elevation changes the same or comparable between the two courses?

Also did they have any kind of baseline to compare to?
 
2013-06-29 03:11:08 PM  

Robo Beat: Any studies on the effects of walking 500 miles and then walking 500 more?


Nothing.  You're just the man who walked 1000 miles to fall down at your door...
 
2013-06-29 03:31:51 PM  

jake3988: Yeah. Plus, you have to do trail runs going that far.


They actually have 50 and 100 mile road races, plus various multi-day events.
 
2013-06-29 04:04:18 PM  
Obscure?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-29 04:13:38 PM  

TDBoedy: This makes sense in a way in relation to human evolution.

humans are as a species capable of long distance hunting...persistence hunting.  The average person can (in reasonable shape) move up to 30 miles a day.  Only wolves do that aside from us and they do it over much larger territories.  A lot of it has to do with our high muscle density.  So a slower pace (3.5 mph) vs over 4mph might make a huge difference in muscle strain and impact on bones and the like.  Of course training for a 200 mile...brisk walk is also tough and likely their bone density is higher as well from the constant impacts.

So yeah article is good and reveals a little bit more of what our bodies are capable of with training.  Not that its healthy to do that all the time...but given the right stress populations of humans have had and still have the ability to move long distances in fairly short periods of time.  This knowledge can help with migration predictions for archaeologists.  Maybe now they can work out the average speed in a better way.


Reminds me of what I heard about African Bushmen. Obviously they're way too slow to straight up catch antelopes, but they can run after it long enough that the antelopes just collapse from exhaustion.
 
2013-06-29 04:30:06 PM  

Mjeck: Obscure?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x275]


Everything in Oz is obscure.
 
2013-06-29 05:00:02 PM  

Robo Beat: Any studies on the effects of walking 500 miles and then walking 500 more?


Ask these folks:
http://trailkit.blogspot.com/2013/06/halfway-there.html
 
2013-06-29 05:26:30 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-29 05:31:31 PM  
img.youtube.com

'I'm kinda tired.  Think I'll go home now'.
 
2013-06-29 05:35:05 PM  

Robo Beat: Any studies on the effects of walking 500 miles and then walking 500 more?


Well thanks for that earworm
 
2013-06-29 05:50:09 PM  
Earlier this month I volunteered at both a marathon and a 50 mile run. Some of the marathoners were a biatchunky, persevering a long slow distance but fast enough.

Not so for the 50-milers. All of them looked pure athletic through and through.
 
2013-06-29 05:54:20 PM  

Robo Beat: Any studies on the effects of walking 500 miles and then walking 500 more?


Set one up and charge people out the wazoo to participate. You'd have a lot of takers given that people would sign up for a 200 mile run.

Plus the whole song thing would make it funny.
 
2013-06-29 06:00:39 PM  
1-ps.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-06-29 06:02:46 PM  
 
2013-06-29 07:37:11 PM  
moreintelligentlife.com

Correlation, does it equal causation?
 
2013-06-29 07:57:06 PM  
This is suspiciously correlation = causation to me. Maybe the people who run the longer marathon do so because they can, possibly being genetically predisposed to filtering lactic acid out of their system more efficiently than the people who decide they can only do the shorter marathon?
 
2013-06-29 07:58:42 PM  

LordOfThePings: [moreintelligentlife.com image 470x350]

Correlation, does it equal causation?


beat me by 20minutes.
 
2013-06-29 08:16:42 PM  

Virtuoso80: beat me by 20minutes.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc

?
 
2013-06-29 08:23:07 PM  

LordOfThePings: Virtuoso80: beat me by 20minutes.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc?


Clearly I just need to sign on to fark 20min earlier from now on and this won't happen.
 
2013-06-29 08:25:44 PM  
I'll pass. I'd like to walk under my own power when I get old. As much as I admire their willpower and endurance, I also view these people as addicts.
 
2013-06-29 10:51:39 PM  
Badwater Ultramarathon - 135 miles course in Death Valley, temps up to 130F, start at 282' below sea-level and finish at 8,360'. IF you finish in 48 hours or less you get this:

www.adventurecorps.com

Oh, and a T-shirt and a "goodie" bag.
 
2013-06-29 11:15:58 PM  

TDBoedy: This makes sense in a way in relation to human evolution.

humans are as a species capable of long distance hunting...persistence hunting.  The average person can (in reasonable shape) move up to 30 miles a day.  Only wolves do that aside from us and they do it over much larger territories.  A lot of it has to do with our high muscle density.  So a slower pace (3.5 mph) vs over 4mph might make a huge difference in muscle strain and impact on bones and the like.  Of course training for a 200 mile...brisk walk is also tough and likely their bone density is higher as well from the constant impacts.

So yeah article is good and reveals a little bit more of what our bodies are capable of with training.  Not that its healthy to do that all the time...but given the right stress populations of humans have had and still have the ability to move long distances in fairly short periods of time.  This knowledge can help with migration predictions for archaeologists.  Maybe now they can work out the average speed in a better way.

*shrugs*
/more useless information clogging my brain.
//back to listening to In Flames


Good choice. Which album?
 
2013-06-29 11:17:39 PM  
I prefer 0.262 mile long marathons
 
2013-06-29 11:20:47 PM  

Mjeck: Obscure?


Did a jogging book? Did a jogging video? Dropped dead of a massive heart attack when? when he was f*cking jogging, that's when!

What do you wanna bet it was two smokers who found the body?

"Hey that's Jim Fixx isn't it?"
"Yeah what a f*cking tragedy, lets go buy some butts!"
 
2013-06-30 12:35:28 AM  
media.liveauctiongroup.net
 
2013-06-30 02:52:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Carth: I wonder if some elite runners could actually run 50 miles

There are people who can run 100 miles straight through. The thing with the races in TFA is they're trail runs, so no pavement, having to deal with loose gravel, mud, steep elevation changes etc, lots of stuff where you have to slow down to deal with it

safely.

Mount Marathon scoffs at that thought.

3.bp.blogspot.com
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2.bp.blogspot.com

/I always wanted to take park in it
 
2013-06-30 02:54:05 AM  
park part
 
2013-06-30 03:27:56 AM  
Runners are funny. And by funny, I mean idiots.

"Hey, let's run to the point our bodies start consuming our own muscle mass, straining our joints to hell and making our bones brittler. Yay, health!"

Doing extensive physical activity does NOTHING to improve your health. It's just a pissing contest and stupid "willpower" demonstrations.

rpmftns.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-30 03:35:03 AM  
Oh, let me say it in a language Fark can understand:

www.mommawithacape.com
 
2013-06-30 04:00:39 AM  

rocky_howard: Oh, let me say it in a language Fark can understand:

[www.mommawithacape.com image 850x637]


Isn't that one the right the "disgraced" Greek chick that was disqualified for having a pro-Golden Dawn boyfriend or something?
I guess I'd rather have her body, but I'm pretty attached to my penis.
 
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