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(Major League Baseball)   The Indians and the White Sox put on a pitching display worthy of the little league world series   (mlb.mlb.com ) divider line
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2013-06-29 10:42:08 AM  
And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?
 
2013-06-29 10:51:36 AM  
I see Adam Dunn's hot streak finally has him at the Mendoza line. Worst free agent signing ever?
 
2013-06-29 10:52:56 AM  

CavalierEternal: And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?


I hate you with the hatiest hate that could ever hate.
 
2013-06-29 11:00:19 AM  

ChrisDe: I see Adam Dunn's hot streak finally has him at the Mendoza line. Worst free agent signing ever?


I'm sure it would make some lists. If he has a good year when hes up for free agency he should be shot.
 
2013-06-29 11:11:41 AM  

ChrisDe: I see Adam Dunn's hot streak finally has him at the Mendoza line. Worst free agent signing ever?


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Nope.

Its too bad the White Sox burned Casper Wells in the first game, it would have been better to save him to close out the nightcap.
 
2013-06-29 11:19:02 AM  

studleystudstutterson: ChrisDe: I see Adam Dunn's hot streak finally has him at the Mendoza line. Worst free agent signing ever?

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Nope.

Its too bad the White Sox burned Casper Wells in the first game, it would have been better to save him to close out the nightcap.


I don't know the face, but before I checked the URL I guessed correctly. I would say Eric Byrnes, but that albatross of a contract is gone and the Giants still have theirs.
 
2013-06-29 11:27:09 AM  
Eighteen runs for the Pale Hosers and they don't even win a game.  Hawk Harrelson must have been apoplectic, especially considering the disdain he holds for Cleveland.
 
2013-06-29 11:32:23 AM  

ChrisDe: Adam Dunn


*pukes*
 
2013-06-29 11:43:04 AM  
And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again
 
2013-06-29 12:05:11 PM  

CavalierEternal: And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?


They have no excuse.  They are the Chicago White Sux.  They blew their wad in that first inning, and were lucky to be able to swing their bats afterwards.

/Cubs fan.
//The Cubs don't have an excuse either.
 
2013-06-29 12:05:15 PM  

thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again


Well done. Keep up performances like that, and you're a virtual lock for second place.
 
2013-06-29 12:32:18 PM  

Cagey B: thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again

Well done. Keep up performances like that, and you're a virtual lock for second place.


Hey hey hey, all about making the playoffs. Kind of going to need annibal and wandy back soon though.
 
2013-06-29 12:49:48 PM  
It seems strange that the Tigers haven't even played the White Sox yet this year.
 
2013-06-29 12:55:20 PM  

thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again


Can I veto him doing that again? Because that was rather annoying.
 
2013-06-29 01:11:06 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again

Can I veto him doing that again? Because that was rather annoying.


Practically nullified when Addison gave up 4 ER though. My closers strategy doesn't work when they're all cold:(
 
2013-06-29 01:16:44 PM  

violentsalvation: It seems strange that the Tigers haven't even played the White Sox yet this year.


That is strange, the NL west have all played at least a series against each other.
 
2013-06-29 01:17:22 PM  

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again

Can I veto him doing that again? Because that was rather annoying.

Practically nullified when Addison gave up 4 ER though. My closers strategy doesn't work when they're all cold:(


Week old graph inc
 
2013-06-29 01:23:57 PM  

CavalierEternal: And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?


Our excuse is that the team is garbage and the organization is one of the most poorly run in baseball. There is no hope in sight. God farking dammit.

/Please Indians, just beat out the farking Tigers.
 
2013-06-29 01:24:30 PM  

neuroflare: Week old graph inc


Well it would be if my image host wasn't down.
 
2013-06-29 01:27:14 PM  
Browns beat the Bears by three field goals.
 
2013-06-29 01:34:51 PM  
"Indians take hats off bats" haha
 
2013-06-29 01:36:55 PM  

ChrisDe: I see Adam Dunn's hot streak finally has him at the Mendoza line.


I happened to look this up the other day for an unrelated matter, but I'll share it here and bore the crap out of everyone.

I'm not a fan of judging how good a hitter is by using batting average. It's a misleading statistic, for a number of reasons. A far better stat is wOBA, which weights each event by value (so a single is a bit better than a walk, but not even close to a HR). Even better than that is wRC+, which takes wOBA, adjusts for park & era, and spits out a number such that a wRC+ of 100 is average, and higher numbers are better.

But, for most people, batting average remains the gold standard, and there are two important marks: .300 and .200, with the general thought that a .300 hitter is really good and a .200 hitter is really bad. Yet, something interesting happens when we involve wRC+: it turns out that .300 and .200 are still really important batting averages, but the meaning changes a bit.

A .300 hitter is almost certainly average (~100 wRC+) or better. A .200 hitter is almost certainly average or worse. But that's all you can tell from batting average alone.

So, check out this season. Here are the 4 lowest wRC+s of people within 5 points of a .300 average:

Salvadar Perez : .303, 104 wRC+
Brayan Pena, .300, 93 wRC+
Omar Infante: .297, 102 wRC+
Jose Altuve: .296, 93 wRC+

(there are, of course, players with higher wRC+s. Longoria, for instance, is hitting .298 with a 152 OPS+. CarGo is hitting .300 with a 153. And so on. Additionally, i rejected Alfredo Figaro's 64 wRC+ because he had 10 PA)

And here are the 4 highest wRC+s of people within 5 points of a .200 average:

Dan Uggla: .202, 105 wRC+
Jason Giambi: .202, 110 wRC+
Adam Dunn: .200, 106 wRC+
Kelly Shoppach: .196, 82 wRC+

(again, there are other completely terrible players here. Jhoulys Chacin, a pitcher for the rockies, actually managed to have a wRC+ of 5 w/ a .200 average In terms of people who are supposed to hit, Yuniesky Betancourt has been playing a lot of 1B for the Brewers, yet has a .203 average and a 52 wRC+)

The same general idea held last year: Scutaro hit hit .306 and had a 99 wRC+; Pena hit .197 and had a 98 wRC+.

So, as much as I dislike using batting average, it's ok to look at someone and say "Hey, he's at the Mendoza line! He might be an average hitter, though it's doubtful." But then I'd recommend, you know, checking on that..
 
2013-06-29 01:38:26 PM  

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again

Can I veto him doing that again? Because that was rather annoying.

Practically nullified when Addison gave up 4 ER though. My closers strategy doesn't work when they're all cold:(


I'm still trying to figure out the whole scoring system for pitchers. Just doesn't make any sense to me. I thought I got it at the draft, but I guess not.

But Harvey & Lee are good, and in the long run, isn't that what matters?  Yes, yes it is.
 
2013-06-29 01:57:38 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: And Jason kipnis scored me 21 points. Sooo do that again

Can I veto him doing that again? Because that was rather annoying.

Practically nullified when Addison gave up 4 ER though. My closers strategy doesn't work when they're all cold:(

I'm still trying to figure out the whole scoring system for pitchers. Just doesn't make any sense to me. I thought I got it at the draft, but I guess not.

But Harvey & Lee are good, and in the long run, isn't that what matters?  Yes, yes it is.


It's all quantity scoring for pitchers. Win or a save is +5 and a loss is -5. Each out is worth a point and each k is worth an additional point. A walk or hit is -1 point and an ER is like -3 I think. What you want is (as per usual) a low era and whip, as many ip, and as many Ks as possible. I've been trying to take advantage of the closer scoring considering they get 5 so long as they don't fark things up royally. If I run something like this again I will probably knock saves down to +4 or 3.

Also, you are the farker this tab needs but not the one it deserves. That was an interesting post and this year every time I see an average it goes through my mind its not indicative of how the player is actually hitting.
 
2013-06-29 02:04:58 PM  

CavalierEternal: And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?


Great game or greatest game? :-)
 
2013-06-29 02:16:21 PM  

Warmachine999: CavalierEternal: And it...was...AWESOME.

/Our starters were both AAA call-ups. What's your excuse, Chicago?

They have no excuse.  They are the Chicago White Sux.  They blew their wad in that first inning, and were lucky to be able to swing their bats afterwards.

/Cubs fan.
//The Cubs don't have an excuse either.


They just god rid of one of their excuses. I hope Marmol dies as slow and painful a death as possible.
 
2013-06-29 03:24:39 PM  

thecpt: It's all quantity scoring for pitchers. Win or a save is +5 and a loss is -5. Each out is worth a point and each k is worth an additional point. A walk or hit is -1 point and an ER is like -3 I think. What you want is (as per usual) a low era and whip, as many ip, and as many Ks as possible. I've been trying to take advantage of the closer scoring considering they get 5 so long as they don't fark things up royally. If I run something like this again I will probably knock saves down to +4 or 3.


Yeah, I get the individual parts, but I haven't gotten to the point where I can look at a linescore and have a general idea of how many points it's worth (which is rather easy with hitters). It's not a big deal, since obviously the site does the math for me anyway, but it makes it a bit harder for me to evaluate FA pitchers.

thecpt: That was an interesting post and this year every time I see an average it goes through my mind its not indicative of how the player is actually hitting.


Average isn't a bad stat, but it only tells a part of the story. Evaluating a batter only using average is sort of like evaluating a pitcher based on how many strikeouts he gets.

But the best example of how misleading average is is this: take two players with the same OBP and SLG, but different batting averages. The player with the lower average will have the better wOBA, meaning the better hitter. Why?

Well, they have the same OBP, so they make the same number of outs. The player with a lower BA has a high ISO, meaning he hits more XBHs (or more powerful XBHs...HRs instead of 2Bs, for instance).

Put those things together, and it means the lower average player has essentially turned a bunch of singles into an equal number of walks & XBHs.

But, of course, given two players with different batting averages, it's more likely that the player with the higher average will have a higher OBP & SLG. It's just not a guarantee like the other thing I said.
 
2013-06-29 04:39:32 PM  
Anyone seeing the idiot behind the plate in the angels Astros game?
 
2013-06-29 08:15:20 PM  
This seems like the best place to point out that the Royals actually just DFAed Jeff Francouer.
 
2013-06-29 09:33:57 PM  
This is worse than Little League. My nephew's All-Star team got eliminated from their tournament in two games. 3-1, and 5-2. All runs scored in the final inning in both games.
 
2013-06-30 02:42:57 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: This is worse than Little League. My nephew's All-Star team got eliminated from their tournament in two games. 3-1, and 5-2. All runs scored in the final inning in both games.


I remember last year there was a game that ended up 24-16 in the LLWS.  I can't remember which teams though.  I think most of the times if it's a blow out, it's one sided.  Like 14-4.  Something along those lines.
 
2013-06-30 03:34:38 AM  

DeWayne Mann: This seems like the best place to point out that the Royals actually just DFAed Jeff Francouer.


Nooooo! I don't want to live in a world with a Frenchie-less league!

/if he gets released I fully expect the Yankees to pick him up at this point
//Also,Phelps is likely out of the rotation after tonight
 
2013-06-30 08:53:35 AM  
I love the URL
mlb.mlb.com/mlb
And I thought I had a problem naming things.
 
2013-06-30 01:41:53 PM  

degenerate-afro: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: This is worse than Little League. My nephew's All-Star team got eliminated from their tournament in two games. 3-1, and 5-2. All runs scored in the final inning in both games.

I remember last year there was a game that ended up 24-16 in the LLWS.  I can't remember which teams though.  I think most of the times if it's a blow out, it's one sided.  Like 14-4.  Something along those lines.


Heh, one of the Juniors games in my nephew's LL tournament ended up 32-26.
 
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