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(Some Guy)   Probably the best response to the Paula Deen fiasco that you will read   (afroculinaria.com) divider line 111
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2013-06-29 01:07:16 AM  
people still care about that fat cow?
 
2013-06-29 02:59:17 AM  
He's an attention whore, because he knows that Paula Deen is not going to break bread with an "alternative lifestyle" African American Jew.

That aside, parts of his letter weren't bad.
 
2013-06-29 03:49:24 AM  
... a gay black jew?  What's next? Left handed lesbian midget albino eskimos?
 
2013-06-29 07:28:34 AM  

ekdikeo4: ... a gay black jew?  What's next? Left handed lesbian midget albino eskimos?


I'm OK with that, if it's an articulate LHLMAE, and one that's not hysterical about Deen using the dreaded N-word.
 
2013-06-29 09:21:36 AM  
All that just to ask her on a date?
 
2013-06-29 09:22:26 AM  
Gay AND Jewish? Is that a Heblew.
 
2013-06-29 09:23:44 AM  
Does someone want to cut and copy the text? Bitdefender identifies this as a malicious webpage, and I tend to heed these warnings
 
2013-06-29 09:25:02 AM  

wireguy: Does someone want to cut and copy the text? Bitdefender identifies this as a malicious webpage, and I tend to heed these warnings


If you can't trust an article submitted by "some guy", who can you trust?
 
2013-06-29 09:29:55 AM  
I was pleasantly surprised.
 
2013-06-29 09:34:21 AM  
MSM to author of TFA:

25.media.tumblr.com

They want their sensationalism, they'll get it.
 
2013-06-29 09:36:29 AM  

wireguy: Does someone want to cut and copy the text? Bitdefender identifies this as a malicious webpage, and I tend to heed these warnings


Same with TrendMicro.
 
2013-06-29 09:44:07 AM  
Nobody cares! Everyone has said that word at one time or another in life. The fake outrage is hypocrisy at its best.
 
2013-06-29 09:44:25 AM  
TL;DR
 
2013-06-29 09:44:51 AM  
I'm prejudiced against long-winded bloggers
 
2013-06-29 09:46:47 AM  
Good find, subby!
 
2013-06-29 09:47:04 AM  

Derwood: I'm prejudiced against long-winded bloggers



I found it to be well-reasoned, interesting and gracious. Sure, it's kinda long, but to my mind it was well worth reading if you're interested in the kinds of issues being discussed.
 
2013-06-29 09:48:18 AM  
Article needs more of the author patting himself on the back.
 
2013-06-29 09:53:25 AM  
Instead of arguing about it why don't we just stop saying it?
 
2013-06-29 09:54:35 AM  
so I guess it's OK she had black employees from her restaurants work private parties for free then?

/we're good?
 
2013-06-29 09:56:34 AM  
Good article.
 
2013-06-29 09:58:35 AM  

ekdikeo4: ... a gay black jew?  What's next? Left handed lesbian midget albino eskimos?



Reminds me of a friend I had in high school who was gay, black, and French-Canadian.


/We nicknamed him "three strikes"
//nice DM reference
 
2013-06-29 10:08:40 AM  

xanadian: MSM to author of TFA:

[25.media.tumblr.com image 297x195]

They want their sensationalism, they'll get it.


I hope that thing has more than one ZPM.
 
2013-06-29 10:11:04 AM  
Dude needs and editor.  I'm not reading all that.
 
2013-06-29 10:11:36 AM  
I had to stop reading that after the second sentence.

Note to people who are writing stuff: Punctuating properly goes a long way toward making your work intelligible.
 
2013-06-29 10:19:46 AM  
"I'm so tired of reading about how "okra" is an "African word". ( For land's sake, "apple" isn't a "European word ..." it's an English word that comes from German like okra comes from Igbo and Twi!)

With that in mind, I'd like to point out that Dolly Parton may be an icon for gay men, Southern ones included, but she doesn't belong on a list with Paula Deen, Dixie Carter and Tallullah Bankhead. (For land's sake, she's a hillbilly, not a  "Southern belle ..." lumping her ancestry  in with the slave-holding plantation-owning stereotype disrespects her dirt poor Appalachian heritage.)
 
2013-06-29 10:19:59 AM  
"I can use it but you can't, but I don't want to" is the sum of what I read.  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.  Anyway, as I said before...if you grow up in the South, even today, this is completely and utterly unshocking.  My sister and I are probably the only ones in our family that are completely liberal, and while sometimes my grandparents will say something like that, I just let it go.  Because that's how they were raised, and I'm not going to change their minds now.  Maybe that's a horrible thing to say, but I doubt many people my age in the south are much different.  I've convinced my mom that being gay is fine, though, so at least there is a little change going on.
 
2013-06-29 10:29:46 AM  
 
2013-06-29 10:50:24 AM  

i_dig_chicks: Dude needs and editor.  I'm not reading all that.

I lol'd
 
2013-06-29 10:50:52 AM  
Can we get back to crucifying a rich white woman so we can distract ourselves from addressing real problems? I mean, Martha Stewart was so long ago...
 
2013-06-29 10:51:27 AM  
That was more of an open letter to himself. It sounds like he's still working through some things.

Paula Deen made the mistake of not knowing her audience. Don't try to sell us a lifestyle based on crimes against humanity. We are not nostalgic for real Southern culture. We only to want pick some of the bits and pieces of it that we didn't rightfully destroy in the Civil War.

And this whole thing is not about the n-word. It's about Deen's swooning over cherished memories of slavery days and segregation.
 
2013-06-29 10:52:47 AM  
I must admit that I'm extremely privileged. Concepts of race, bigotry, and oppression don't fill my every waking thought or cloud my view of the world (most of the time). How tedious and unfulfilling life must be if you view everything through the lenses of an "oppressed" person, not able to judge anything on it's own merits, but rather on whether or not you can find offence with it. (Imagine if movies were only "good" if they contained the "proper" amount of representatives from your "group" in them). I feel sorry for these people; they've been robbed of the very essence of life itself.
 
2013-06-29 10:58:35 AM  
That was meandering, inconsistent, self-absorbed, far too long, repetitive and only addressed the fact that she used the "n-word" while utterly ignoring her pining for the "good old days" of slavery and segregation.

If that was the best response then this must be opposite day.
 
2013-06-29 11:01:12 AM  

bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.


His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.
 
2013-06-29 11:12:03 AM  

wellreadneck: "I'm so tired of reading about how "okra" is an "African word". ( For land's sake, "apple" isn't a "European word ..." it's an English word that comes from German like okra comes from Igbo and Twi!)

With that in mind, I'd like to point out that Dolly Parton may be an icon for gay men, Southern ones included, but she doesn't belong on a list with Paula Deen, Dixie Carter and Tallullah Bankhead. (For land's sake, she's a hillbilly, not a  "Southern belle ..." lumping her ancestry  in with the slave-holding plantation-owning stereotype disrespects her dirt poor Appalachian heritage.)


Dolly's ancestors were too poor to owe slaves, or they WERE the slaves, economically.
 
2013-06-29 11:14:58 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BevNkLH-q8
This is better, and funnier.
 
2013-06-29 11:22:04 AM  
Subby clearly doesn't know what I will read.
 
2013-06-29 11:25:26 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: wellreadneck: "I'm so tired of reading about how "okra" is an "African word". ( For land's sake, "apple" isn't a "European word ..." it's an English word that comes from German like okra comes from Igbo and Twi!)

With that in mind, I'd like to point out that Dolly Parton may be an icon for gay men, Southern ones included, but she doesn't belong on a list with Paula Deen, Dixie Carter and Tallullah Bankhead. (For land's sake, she's a hillbilly, not a  "Southern belle ..." lumping her ancestry  in with the slave-holding plantation-owning stereotype disrespects her dirt poor Appalachian heritage.)

Dolly's ancestors were too poor to owe slaves, or they WERE the slaves, economically.


We were so poor, we owed slaves.
 
2013-06-29 11:27:08 AM  
I think the best response was that picture of Gary Coleman shrugging with the caption "Who farkin' Cares?" but that's just me.
 
2013-06-29 11:30:18 AM  

Poopy MacPoop: I think the best response was that picture of Gary Coleman shrugging with the caption "Who farkin' Cares?" but that's just me.


So now you're saying that black people are apathetic and vulgar? You're worse that Paula Deen.
 
2013-06-29 11:38:36 AM  

catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.


So, you are saying we should put black people on their own reservations and let them open casinos?
 
2013-06-29 11:52:23 AM  

catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.


So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.
 
2013-06-29 12:02:48 PM  

bborchar: catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.

So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.


You probably shouldn't build a career out of cooking Japanese food if you are casually racist toward the Japanese people.
 
2013-06-29 12:06:12 PM  

bborchar: catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.

So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.


His point was that taking credit for inventing a cuisine that you actually didn't invent is wrong. White folks did not "invent" Southern cooking and more credit should be given to those who did.
 
2013-06-29 12:12:58 PM  
Couldn't get through the first two paragraphs of that aw trash
 
2013-06-29 12:18:07 PM  

catmandu: bborchar: catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.

So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.

His point was that taking credit for inventing a cuisine that you actually didn't invent is wrong. White folks did not "invent" Southern cooking and more credit should be given to those who did.


So, we'll be yanking biscuits and cornbread out of the Soul Food category?
 
2013-06-29 12:28:57 PM  

Bucky Katt: people still care about that fat cow?


I had never heard of him before this (horribly) worded letter.
 
2013-06-29 12:31:10 PM  
There's no possible chance I'm reading all that.
 
2013-06-29 12:34:19 PM  
My first intro to Southern cooking and the two sides of the coin that Southern hospitality and Southern racism are  was in 1965, when my father received orders to move his family from Camp Pendleton California, to Camp LeJeune North Carolina. We drove the southern route, five of us in a Corvair.

We broke down in Texas, where a local garage managed to get the car running again. We made it as far as Jackson Mississippi when the Corvair died. We had the car towed to a dealership downtown. At this point, we had been in the car for three days, and just wanted a meal that wasn't snackfood from a supermarket. We walked about a mile from the dealership (Mom, Dad, my 8-year-old brother, my infant sister, and my four-year-old self) and came upon a restaurant.

We went inside, and everything stopped, much like the old barroom scenes in the Hollywood westerns, when the bad man enters through the bat-wing doors. A black man left the counter, and asked my father if he could help him. My dad replied that we'd broken down, and were hungry, and wasn't this a restaurant? The man said yes, and immediately seated us.

He then pulled all the blinds in the restaurant, and turned the open/closed sign around to closed. My folks thought it was odd, but whatever. They didn't have a regular menu, you ate whatever the cook decided was the meal of the day. I remember the fried chicken most, but they kept plying us kids with sweet fried dough, and gave us a grocery sack full for the rest of our journey. They kept feeding us things we'd never eaten before, and gave us a huge box full of food to take with us. Then they gave us the bill: $2.65 (my mom accidentally left a $5 bill under her plate).

We returned to the dealership, and our car was repaired and although it was not still under warranty, they didn't charge us a dime. But when we asked about the odd behavior of the restaurant owners, employees and customers, the dealership guys were aghast that we'd gone there, as we had committed a major social faux pas.

They told us that had we been seen entering and eating at that black establishment, the place would have been burnt to the ground that night. Those people had risked their lives and livelihoods to feed a hungry family that they didn't even know. Southern Hospitality, indeed. We left there for North Carolina, a much sadder, wiser and fuller family than we had entered.
 
2013-06-29 12:42:51 PM  

catmandu: bborchar: catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.

So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.

His point was that taking credit for inventing a cuisine that you actually didn't invent is wrong. White folks did not "invent" Southern cooking and more credit should be given to those who did.


I dont see how any one entity can claim to have "invented" southern cooking or be butthurt by not getting credit for it. That concept in itself is pretty silly.  Southern cusine has evolved over the last 400+ years and has been influenced by way too many groups for anyone to claim they have invented it. Fried chicken is a universal method for chicken preparation all across the world and was brought over to the states/south by the Scottish who preferred that method of cooking chicken over boiling which was the more English way of doing it.  However, native africans also prepared chicken in animal fats for eons so they deserve credit as well because I am sure they were the first to do it.  BBQ is usually credited to have come from the caribbean by the the natives there and thats where the word barbacoa comes from.  However, slow cooking entire animals over flame has been done for tens of thousands of years so its tough to really give credit to anyone.  I in no means mean to discount the contributions of the slaves who brought over a lot (if not slight majority) of unique techniques and foods with them.  These have also greatly influenced and shaped southern cuisine as well as much as any group.  Thats not to discount other influences like Native Americans, the French, and the later wave of Scottish/Irish immigration that also shaped southern cuisine.  Southern cuisine was created by the masses and should be enjoyed by the masses...there is no reason to make food into some reason to divide people over some silly notion of "owning/inventing" an entirecuisine.

/i do not care for paula deen
//i really do not care for paula deen
 
2013-06-29 12:46:26 PM  

catmandu: bborchar: catmandu: bborchar:  At least, what I thought I read.  I'm not really sure what his point was, since he was all over the effing place.

His point was that Paula Deen built an empire based on Southern cooking without ever acknowledging that the history of the foods and the dishes trace back to the slaves who actually did the cooking, and introduced their African and Caribbean dishes to the whites, and to the Native Americans who also introduced foods and methods to the whites.

So now we can't cook the food of other races and be good at it?  Guess I should throw away all of the Japanese food in my pantry, then.

His point was that taking credit for inventing a cuisine that you actually didn't invent is wrong. White folks did not "invent" Southern cooking and more credit should be given to those who did.


Did he himself invent it? Oh no, it was his ancestors and not him. What a bs reason.
 
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