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2013-06-29 02:45:24 AM
I stomped a fledgling starling to death the other day. Malformed, and it had to be done. Still sucked watiching it squirm with a smooshed face after the first stomp.

I could kill, and have, my own meat.

Killing should never be too happy or exciting an experience. Enjoying the hunt is not the same as lovong the result.

Props to this cop for compassion; I thought that was what farkers wanted from their law enorcement...
 
2013-06-29 02:45:51 AM

seventypercent: Putting down a mortally wounded animal is the humane thing to do, but often it is a very difficult thing to do.

I'll give this guy all due credit for having an abundance of human empathy. This is a quality that's not exactly common in many police forces around the US. However, I'm not sure that handing a loaded service revolver to a nearby bystander is the best way to resolve a situation like this.

I feel bad for this guy. Maybe he could become a veterinarian? That's an extremely honorable (and if you're the right kind of person, rewarding) line of work, and it seems like he'd be well-suited for it.


You're not sure? It's like hot potato, with guns.
 
2013-06-29 02:46:12 AM

Medic Zero: doglover: scottydoesntknow: You're trusting him with a tool that can easily kill, and he hands it to a random person

It's almost like every citizen of America has the right to bear arms, or something.

I don't see any problems with an officer giving his service weapon to a stranger per se. There's potential problems if it's stolen and used in another crime etc, but life ain't the movies and a cop's gun is really just another gun. Often they're not even very good guns.

So I while I see what you're getting at, I respectfully disagree.

I'm with you. I'm also a pretty good judge of character, and I'd trust myself not to hand the gun to someone who'd misuse it. In this case, I'm willing to extend that trust to this particular cop. They shouldn't give him more than a reprimand, he's clearly a decent human being.


I'm glad you're not a cop.
 
2013-06-29 02:46:25 AM

novalord2: wahhhhhhhhhh i'm not going to shoot the deer because I'm apparently a sadist who wants the deer to suffer wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

what an irrational person

//euthanasia is a routine part of hunting (for meat, not sport). Use a second shot to put an animal out of its misery, or you are a dick.


Damn, and here I've just been wounding them to slow them down and then chewing my way through through their chest.  Are you saying I've been doing it wrong all these years?
 
2013-06-29 02:46:53 AM
A police officer has a conscience and you idiots have a problem with it?

Do the world a favor and...

 i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-29 02:47:18 AM
 As someone who helped call in a soon-to-be-euthanized-with-a-bullet deer....

 One night, there was a blacktail hit on a local road (3 lanes) near where I lived. I stopped and pulled over to the shoulder since the deer was blocking the road and wanted to see if I could help. Several other people pulled over too. A couple of them looked slightly horrified, like they wanted to help, but didn't know how. (There was no helping this deer, but we lived in a yuppie area and most folks, although very kind-hearted people, had little to no clue about wildlife.)

 The deer was struggling to sit up, but didn't seem to have control of it's back legs. While we watched, a bunch of assholes in their lifted black pickup with big tires came barreling down the road. Swerving a bit and gunning the engine, they succeeded in running over the deer with both sets of tires, leaving it even more mortally wounded than before, but still alive.

 Shortly after this a police officer pulled up. He surveyed the stricken deer, which could now only lay on the ground panting helplessly. He slowly began to unholster his sidearm while carefully explaining to the crowd, "I'm going to have to put the deer down."

 You could tell he expected an argument, but was hoping he wouldn't get one. Doing what I could to support him, and give the poor deer at least one break that evening, I nodded seriously and said "Yep." then turned and walked back to my car and headed out. Out of the corner of my eye I saw the rest of the crowd start to break up.

/felt bad for the deer
//still pissed at the assholes in the pickup.
 
2013-06-29 02:48:04 AM

mialynneb: wallywam1: Peter von Nostrand: Seriously though, giving up his gun to some random stranger should get him fired.

Dude, it's Indi-farking-ana. That's like the Canada of the Midwest. They probably apologized for giving the gun back without breaking it down and cleaning it first.

LOL no. You don't know Indiana.  Hoosier Hospitality (TM) is a thing of the past. Maybe even a myth to begin with.


What Hoosier hospitality might look like...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-29 02:49:48 AM

ThatDarkFellow: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...

Your patriarchy sounds like a bunch of pricks


That's what yo matriarch said.

A *bunch* of 'em

Yo matriarch so grand, her buttresses have buttresses.

/couldn't resist
 
2013-06-29 02:50:01 AM

scottydoesntknow: Wall_of_Doodoo: So you pick an article that has already been submitted and has comments for a lamer headlined one with no comments. I guess the next step is to submit the same story from Buzzfeed and watch this one disappear?

I have an idea, why not just give us a list of sponsored links so we can slightly modify or directly quote them to be approved?

Fark was once an amazing, silly Internet site. It's becoming a humorless Huffpo crapzone.

[media.tumblr.com image 450x253]

/Feels appropriate


Shut up, n00b. The poster was in fact correct.
 
2013-06-29 03:07:24 AM

sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...

So...you love dogs, as long as they are useful tools?  I don't get it.  I see where a dog can be a great hunting companion, but are you saying you won't hesitate to kill them if they don't work out absolutely as envisioned?  Do you feel tougher for having scared the goth teen?  Maybe I missed the joke here.

This is when you used dogs as tools to make a living.

Like when you used Chinese to make a railroad, only with dogs.

Maybe you missed the part where this was my great grandfather. They weren't hunting companions, they were the hunters. Tools. Like oxen, performing a job, only without the cart and they are dogs chasing game.

This is also in Indiana, only a long time ago so obliquely relevant?

Way to miss the point, deliberate point misser.


I thought the "I don't get it" and "maybe I missed the joke here" covered it bug obviously I wasn't blunt enough...

I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE GOING. I MADE SOME INFERENCES BUT IT APPEARS THEY WERE INCORRECT.

I assure you that my missing the point wasn't intentional. I appreciate the stab at me though. Makes you look all tough-like.
 
2013-06-29 03:10:05 AM
I am assuming this was in a small town, since there are deer running around 15 blocks from the center of town. So I think that it is a big assumption on everyone's part that the cop did not actually know the "random stranger".
 
2013-06-29 03:10:49 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: When you finally find a decent man enforcing the law, stop crapping on him. Sometimes flexing a finger is a larger burden than ordering a DQ cone.


Bears repeating.
/internet is pissy otherwise I'd hit up GIS
 
2013-06-29 03:14:17 AM

Wrencher: I am assuming this was in a small town, since there are deer running around 15 blocks from the center of town. So I think that it is a big assumption on everyone's part that the cop did not actually know the "random stranger".


Aye. And f the person who reported the guy. If you want robots to enforce all laws, without exception- you are wrong. And an idiot. Or a  stockholder in google police ® © .
Which is the same thing, but both
 
2013-06-29 03:16:14 AM
Me thinks he's not much of a hunter.
 
2013-06-29 03:23:26 AM

seventypercent: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.

Do you really equate "law enforcement" with "killing living things?"


Not in the slightest. I equate law enforcement with the willingness to consider oneself ready to take human life if absolutely necessary, but not otherwise.
 
2013-06-29 03:26:46 AM

mike_the_engineer: A police officer has a conscience and you idiots have a problem with it?

Do the world a favor and...

 [i.imgur.com image 176x119]


He had a conscience, alright. The same conscience that people have when they shove grandma in a nursing home and let her live for 20 years with a feeding tube after her brain has long since resembled a sponge and all she does is drool while staring at the ceiling.
 
2013-06-29 03:29:45 AM
I had to finish killing a baby rabbit on a camping trip once.

My Labrador mutt had come bounding out of the woods with the mortally wounded furball in his mouth, and dropped it at my feet awaiting praise.

I had to smash its skull in with a tree branch.

It wasn't the highlight of my camping trip.  :(
 
2013-06-29 03:32:28 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: EvilAvatar: So let's post a bad decision for all the world to view and make a mockery of a man for having a moment of weakness. Because in 'murica we lick the salty tears up like deep fried butter right? I mean, of course this dude, his family, the police department, and probably the guy that was handed the gun is going to be hassled for a very very long time, but as long as it's for a laugh on the internet right fellas? Reading half the comments on this thread is a fairly solid motive for some cops to become assholes. Because the power-hungry thugs are the status quo, and the good people who make mistakes get humiliated and fired. 

/You are the cause of your own problems.
//flame on

I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.


There is a bit of a difference in putting down a hurt animal and defending yourself with lethal force against a human attacker. I think the guy should get training and be disciplined, but I don't think the job is at issue. Frankly, I am kind of glad the guy thought about how it would traumatize him. Maybe that will result in him not using lethal force when needed or maybe it is moot. Hard to say.
 
2013-06-29 03:39:10 AM

seventypercent: Bumblefark: I don't, but I'll support the conclusion. Not wanting to kill a helpless animal, I understand and sympathize with. Not be able to do it, even when good conscience requires it?

Yeah...you need to find a different line of work. Equanimity with the use of violence is sort of the job description.

Okay. This is why I was suggesting that this officer might be better suited as a vet.


Agreed. Personally, I think it's a shame that policing in the US requires that everyone start out as line officers. This guy is probably what you want in a supervisor/administrator -- someone with some real humanity to them.

But, putting a gentle soul like that out in the field isn't any kindness to them. Those are the ones that end up damaged or dead, simply because they aren't well-suited to the work environment. If I were his superior, my biggest concern would be that the guy might be a danger to himself, if he's just unable to do violence when the situation calls for it.
 
2013-06-29 03:48:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "She said he had tears in his eyes, and he handed his gun to a stranger - his loaded gun."

uhhh... duh. It wouldn't do much good unloaded.


Oh, it might take a while, but you can club the ever-loving life out of someone - I mean something ... not "thing", a mortally-wounded animal for instance, or someone - something I mean - with one of those.
 
2013-06-29 03:53:05 AM

sethen320: sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...

So...you love dogs, as long as they are useful tools?  I don't get it.  I see where a dog can be a great hunting companion, but are you saying you won't hesitate to kill them if they don't work out absolutely as envisioned?  Do you feel tougher for having scared the goth teen?  Maybe I missed the joke here.

This is when you used dogs as tools to make a living.

Like when you used Chinese to make a railroad, only with dogs.

Maybe you missed the part where this was my great grandfather. They weren't hunting companions, they were the hunters. Tools. Like oxen, performing a job, only without the cart and they are dogs chasing game.

This is also in Indiana, only a long time ago so obliquely relevant?

Way to miss the point, deliberate point misser.

I thought the "I don't get it" and "maybe I missed the joke here" covered it bug obviously I wasn't blunt enough...

I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU WERE GOING. I MADE SOME INFERENCES BUT IT APPEARS THEY WERE INCORRECT.

I assure you that my missing the point wasn't intentional. I appreciate the stab at me though. Makes you look all tough-like.


The goth kid learned that when you cause suffering, even by accident, you should do what you can to stop the suffering, regardless of the personal cost.

My dog is pretty useless, and I haven't shot him... yet.

The "tough" thing I don't really follow. Sorrowful compassionate killing of an injured animal is not something a hardass does; it is something a humane person does.

The goth kid got to learn that from experience, seeing a compassionate person attempt a humane act. The deer was already dead when we found her.


There was the rabbit whose head I stomped

The opossum I decapitated with a maul

The rabid squirrel whose head I smashed with a hammer

The irrevocably damaged aggressive dog I shot to spare him animal control and a frightened existance before destroyal after he bit a little kid

And I would have slit the throat of that deer in a second if it was necessarry, not to be 'tough,'

To be humane.
 
2013-06-29 04:00:47 AM
The cop did the right thing.
These entries only show how well the MSM has made America nutless.
 
2013-06-29 04:00:47 AM

sporkme: To be humane


Why would you stomp on a rabbits head and claim to be humane ? You checked that bag on a wrong way flight when you spewed that forth  .
 
2013-06-29 04:00:53 AM
legion_of_doo [TotalFark]

Pretend it's a black dude.

Damn....
I almost feel guilty for laughing... Almost.
 
2013-06-29 04:04:50 AM
seventypercent [TotalFark]
2013-06-29 01:49:22 AM


EvilRacistNaziFascist: I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.

Do you really equate "law enforcement" with "killing living things?"

That's a wee bit disturbing.

www.upl.co
These officers do, why is it wrong to say the same thing they did?
 
2013-06-29 04:05:54 AM

sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the ...


Yeah, and your dad beat the shiat out of your mom so she didn't have to compete in the business world. It was humane.

Christ you sound like a sociopath.
 
2013-06-29 04:14:38 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: EvilAvatar: So let's post a bad decision for all the world to view and make a mockery of a man for having a moment of weakness. Because in 'murica we lick the salty tears up like deep fried butter right? I mean, of course this dude, his family, the police department, and probably the guy that was handed the gun is going to be hassled for a very very long time, but as long as it's for a laugh on the internet right fellas? Reading half the comments on this thread is a fairly solid motive for some cops to become assholes. Because the power-hungry thugs are the status quo, and the good people who make mistakes get humiliated and fired. 

/You are the cause of your own problems.
//flame on

I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.


I disagree. More cops need to be revolted by killing/beating the crap out of people. Maybe they'd find other, better ways of dealing with situations.
 
2013-06-29 04:20:25 AM
I saw a puppy that had been hit on a country road one time.  His intestines were hanging out of his rectum.  All I had was a tire tool, but when I left, the puppy was no longer suffering.  Still haunts me to this day even though it had to be done.

RIP little beagle hound.
 
2013-06-29 04:22:14 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I saw a puppy that had been hit on a country road one time.  His intestines were hanging out of his rectum.  All I had was a tire tool, but when I left, the puppy was no longer suffering.  Still haunts me to this day even though it had to be done.

RIP little beagle hound.


justice is sometime swift
 
2013-06-29 04:22:47 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I saw a puppy that had been hit on a country road one time.  His intestines were hanging out of his rectum.  All I had was a tire tool, but when I left, the puppy was no longer suffering.  Still haunts me to this day even though it had to be done.

RIP little beagle hound.


Rectum? You hardly knew him.
 
2013-06-29 04:36:06 AM
The officer expressed poor judgment in multiple ways.  Not being able to kill a suffering animal is not to be unexpected as the poor dumb thing didn't do anything wrong  and was only being an animal.  However, after reaching that decision that he couldn't shoot, he made awful choices.  The first is giving his duty weapon to a bystander to kill the deer.  On top of the safety issue, his duty weapon has now been fired so it is an officer involved shooting that will require substantial paperwork and evaluation.  It is worse in the fact that a nearby civilian had a weapon available and was ready to do what was necessary.  Instead of relying on that third party to act under his supervision, which would have saved some time and paperwork, he engaged in the one of the worst possible choices. If he didn't clear the scene before the shoot that is another issue as well although it is unclear how significant this was.  It is the poor judgment in letting his weapon be used instead of other options that raises the most concerns about the incident rather than his inability to end the suffering of a hurt animal.  I don't think it would lead to a termination unless there are other problems in his background, but it does raise a red flag.
 
2013-06-29 04:36:53 AM

sporkme: To be humane.


www.rockpapershotgun.com
 
2013-06-29 04:43:46 AM

taurusowner: I don't know if he should be fired (though certainly disciplined heavily), but he should probably quit. Giving his firearm to a random person shows a severe lack of judgement and an inability to keep cool on the job. I work as a cop in Michigan and I've had to do this to a deer before. Depending on the area, we generally try to get animal control or the DNR to do it, but sometimes in the middle of the night you're the only one around who can. It's not fun but it needs to be done. Leaving a deer there on the side of the road wheezing in pain with blood running from its mouth is just sick. At the end of the day, nothing is going to save it. It's not a choice between shooting the dear and nursing it back to health in some sappy Disney-esque manner. It's a choice between a quick death and hours of drawn out pain. This officer failed to do his job. He should be reprimanded. He gave up his firearm to a passerby. That should certainly result in some punitive action.


I had to call for someone to euthanize a deer last year on the Memorial Day weekend. Usually the fish and game dept would so it, but they were closed for the long weekend. So they sent a cop, who I met with and led to the deer. We met at the site, found the deer, confirmed that it had broken both front legs, and he pulled his handgun, radioed in, warned me and shot it. His words: "That sucks."

Considering how negative police related stories tend to be, it probably doesn't register with people that most police never shoot anything other than paper over the course of a career.
 
2013-06-29 04:48:31 AM
dopekitty74
More cops need to be revolted by killing/beating the crap out of people. Maybe they'd find other, better ways of dealing with situations.

We have exactly one (1) example of that type of cop. . .

. . . They fired her ass
 
2013-06-29 04:54:23 AM
I'm not quite sure whats more disturbing here, the pants wetting busy-bodies who some how think that the moment a gun is placed in a mans hand they become deranged mass murderers, therefore the cop committed a heinous and job ending mistake.

Or the future wife beaters with their macho chest thumping stories of horrific torturing of animals for their amusement.

I guess I'll go with the future wife beaters, as I can forgive the pants wetters, hopefully after you've beaten your wife once to many times she'll use those god given 2nd amendment rights to put a bullet between your eyes.

//pro 2nd amendment
///pro compassionate cop
////anti wife beater..... killing animals for amusement is the 1st sign someone is a wife beater.
////not talking about hunters.. don't get your panties all wadded
 
2013-06-29 05:08:44 AM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: novalord2: wahhhhhhhhhh i'm not going to shoot the deer because I'm apparently a sadist who wants the deer to suffer wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

what an irrational person

//euthanasia is a routine part of hunting (for meat, not sport). Use a second shot to put an animal out of its misery, or you are a dick.

Damn, and here I've just been wounding them to slow them down and then chewing my way through through their chest.  Are you saying I've been doing it wrong all these years?


I've seen people who don't bother to really kill the animal. Sport hunters.
 
2013-06-29 05:16:42 AM

Bumblefark: seventypercent: Bumblefark: I don't, but I'll support the conclusion. Not wanting to kill a helpless animal, I understand and sympathize with. Not be able to do it, even when good conscience requires it?

Yeah...you need to find a different line of work. Equanimity with the use of violence is sort of the job description.

Okay. This is why I was suggesting that this officer might be better suited as a vet.

Agreed. Personally, I think it's a shame that policing in the US requires that everyone start out as line officers. This guy is probably what you want in a supervisor/administrator -- someone with some real humanity to them.

But, putting a gentle soul like that out in the field isn't any kindness to them. Those are the ones that end up damaged or dead, simply because they aren't well-suited to the work environment. If I were his superior, my biggest concern would be that the guy might be a danger to himself, if he's just unable to do violence when the situation calls for it.


This.

The officer in TFA has absolutely no business carrying a gun. He needs to quit or be fired, because he is in the wrong line of work and his weakness can get someone hurt or killed. And it is weakness, not compassion. Putting the animal out of its misery was the right thing to do. It would have been compassionate and humane, but he failed to do it because of his own lack of willpower. And that's about as simple as these things get. If he can't kill a dying deer when it's easy to agree that it needs to be done, what would he do if he had to make a split-second judgement call regarding another human being? Most likely he'd freeze up and watch the bad guy kill someone, possibly the cop himself.

Cops carry guns to kill people. That's what they're for. You never want to be put in a position where you need to use it, but that's why you carry it. If you aren't prepared to kill someone and you're ever put in a position where someone needs to be killed, then you've needlessly endangered yourself, your fellow officers, and the citizens you're sworn to protect.

Also, somewhat ironically, being prepared to kill someone reduces the likelihood that you'll have to do it. A frightened, wavering voice quietly requesting that you drop the gun and put your hands in the air is much less effective than a calm, authoritative command from someone who will shoot you if you don't comply.

tl;dr - This guy is probably a decent human being otherwise, but putting on that uniform makes him about as reckless as a drunk driver. He needs to realize this and stop doing it.
 
2013-06-29 05:36:29 AM

DrExplosion: Bumblefark: seventypercent: Bumblefark: I don't, but I'll support the conclusion. Not wanting to kill a helpless animal, I understand and sympathize with. Not be able to do it, even when good conscience requires it?

Yeah...you need to find a different line of work. Equanimity with the use of violence is sort of the job description.

Okay. This is why I was suggesting that this officer might be better suited as a vet.

Agreed. Personally, I think it's a shame that policing in the US requires that everyone start out as line officers. This guy is probably what you want in a supervisor/administrator -- someone with some real humanity to them.

But, putting a gentle soul like that out in the field isn't any kindness to them. Those are the ones that end up damaged or dead, simply because they aren't well-suited to the work environment. If I were his superior, my biggest concern would be that the guy might be a danger to himself, if he's just unable to do violence when the situation calls for it.

This.

The officer in TFA has absolutely no business carrying a gun. He needs to quit or be fired, because he is in the wrong line of work and his weakness can get someone hurt or killed. And it is weakness, not compassion. Putting the animal out of its misery was the right thing to do. It would have been compassionate and humane, but he failed to do it because of his own lack of willpower. And that's about as simple as these things get. If he can't kill a dying deer when it's easy to agree that it needs to be done, what would he do if he had to make a split-second judgement call regarding another human being? Most likely he'd freeze up and watch the bad guy kill someone, possibly the cop himself.

Cops carry guns to kill people. That's what they're for. You never want to be put in a position where you need to use it, but that's why you carry it. If you aren't prepared to kill someone and you're ever put in a position where someone needs to be killed, then you've needlessly enda ...


I don't know.  I know a LOT of people who I believe think way more of the value of life of an animal than they do their fellow human.
 
2013-06-29 06:19:05 AM
You would be surprised at the squeamishness of some law enforcement. They aren't the bloodthirsty, napoleon complex ridden egotists fark always makes them out to be. To be fair, there are some of those. Many people who go into law enforcement actually want to serve their citizens. Many, especially in departments that require a Bachelor's degree want to work to improve society. From my experience with rookie cops it becomes evident that they have very little real experience with some real life issues. Outside of what they have seen in sociology classes, they normally don't have any experience until they start their training rides, after an academic police academy.

  I've dealt with plenty of crime scenes and dead bodies in my time, because as part of our training, we immediately start running calls. However, for most law enforcement, they finish all their training before actually going out on the street and being immersed in the real world. More than once I've had an expected death (hospice patient) that police showed up to unexpectedly. Not because they had any legal obligation to investigate, but because they wanted the rookies to see a dead body. It's not a natural thing and most people are not used to it. But yes, people who were sworn officers,months from being on their own, had never actually dealt with death yet.

  Training in a shoot/no shoot simulation, the muscle memory that it instills, helps cops, as well as the instinct for self-preservation, in a shootout.  The moral dilemma of killing a wounded animal, in a situation that likely has never come up in their training before,  is not necessarily a correlation as to how they would handle a true shootout. Living in the country, people have a different view of nature than some people who do not have the experience with "nature's" life and death cycle. In that state of awe, someone who spoke with authority and understood that the animal needed to be put out of its misery, was likely a logical option for the officer. While I don't agree with giving up the officer's weapon, I do understand how it happened, especially in an environment the officer didn't expect and trusted the citizen's authority.

/ssb (sad story) Had a man who was attacked by his dog. 120 lb Italian mastiff. Pull up to the house, there is a fence around the entire house which the dog is running around in and barking at the front door. The owner's wife is on the phone with our dispatch and advised her husband was unconscious and bleeding inside. Not having any further info we knew we had to get into the residence quickly and animal control takes up to an hour. Talked to the police officer on the call and explained we didn't have a choice, and until the wife actually yelled he needed our help did he decide to draw and shot the mastiff. Dog ran around the house and we hauled ass in. Guy was unconscious inside, bite wounds to his head, hypotensive. By this point police had found the dog, it had made it 60 feet before collapsing. Neighborhood is going crazy yelling at the poor cop saying it didn't have to happen, he shouldn't have shot the dog, etc. We haul out the owner, bleeding from his head, obtunded, and the entire neighborhood shuts up. Guy actually had lost a lot of blood and head an internal cranial hemorrhage. Ended up staying in the ICU for a week but recovered.

/end ssb

Moral of that story is they do have to make judgement calls very quickly that there is no training that would get them ready for it, just hunting, fishing, and other life experiences. I guess I'm in the future wife beater column due to my experiences.


Wasn't the site upset with a retired cop/animal control officer putting down 5 disease ridden feral cats that the shelters couldn't take the other day? But now this is unacceptable for a police officer?
 
2013-06-29 06:33:42 AM
RPD Maj. Kevin Wampler this week said if the allegations are determined to be true, the officer would face disciplinary action for violating department policy. He said the alleged act is not a criminal violation.

I love the fact that there is a cop with a conscience.

It is scary that he is facing disciplinary reaction for this when cops make the headlines for far worse things that breach the public trust.

/Hunting and being a cop are two different things, to those who are calling him a pussy, you don't get that not all grown men like to kill animals, and want zero tolerance sociopaths in all police depts.
 
2013-06-29 06:43:07 AM

MurphyMurphy: Lsherm: I'm fairly certain that's against procedure in every farking police department in the country.

I'm fairly certain that simply being a human being is against procedure in every farking police department in the country.


And yet, this simple act of trust between a man who was too sad to do what needed done and one who could ended without the universe imploding.  Humanity occurs one act, one kind word, one outstretched hand and one display of decency at at time.  And I hope we start remembering that.
 
2013-06-29 06:58:00 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I don't know.  I know a LOT of people who I believe think way more of the value of life of an animal than they do their fellow human

Fair enough, I suppose. However, I still can't see "he was a sociopath to other humans, but he loved animals" as an especially positive characteristic for a police officer.

Enemabag Jones: RPD Maj. Kevin Wampler this week said if the allegations are determined to be true, the officer would face disciplinary action for violating department policy. He said the alleged act is not a criminal violation.

I love the fact that there is a cop with a conscience.

It is scary that he is facing disciplinary reaction for this when cops make the headlines for far worse things that breach the public trust.

/Hunting and being a cop are two different things, to those who are calling him a pussy, you don't get that not all grown men like to kill animals, and want zero tolerance sociopaths in all police depts.


He was a pussy not because he refused to kill an animal, but because he lacked the will to do what he thought was the right thing. You shouldn't be happy that someone like him is a cop.

If he had refused and argued that the deer didn't need to be killed, that would be his conscience. If he had carried the deer to the nearest vet, that would be a very strong conscience indeed. Instead, he agreed that the deer needed to be shot, but passed his responsibility to a bystander because he lacked the mental fortitude to do the right thing. It's not that he wouldn't do it, it's that he couldn't do it even though he thought it needed to be done. Such a person should not be police officer.
 
2013-06-29 06:59:41 AM
Sounds like you guys accidentally got yourselves a Canadian. Send him up, we'll trade you a quebec cop.
 
2013-06-29 07:09:00 AM
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Is it just me or is the deer in this photo appear to be smiling? I wouldn't like killing a suffering deer either. I don't carry a gun so the point is moot for me. I did stop on the highway on the way to work because there was a deer on the road with what appeared to be a broken back. I tried to chase it off the highway so it wasn't hit a second time, and called the police, but I was late for work so I couldn't stick around to make sure it didn't drag itself back onto the highway. Was a really unpleasant thing to behold as it was clearly scared to death. Then again, I was once a vegan and find animal suffering upsetting.

P.S - Stopped being a vegan 2 years ago, too costly to both be THAT moral and look after my girlfriend's kids cause I ate a lot of processed foods which are really expensive in the vegan sections of stores.
 
2013-06-29 07:11:47 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: So you pick an article that has already been submitted and has comments for a lamer headlined one with no comments. I guess the next step is to submit the same story from Buzzfeed and watch this one disappear?

I have an idea, why not just give us a list of sponsored links so we can slightly modify or directly quote them to be approved?

Fark was once an amazing, silly Internet site. It's becoming a humorless Huffpo crapzone.


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I agree, I seldom come to this site any longer, only when I am bored with absolutely nothing else to do.  No great loss for me or Drew.

/not going to pay to read the same people make the same stupid arguments over and over and over
//Fark jumped the shark a long time ago, that is why Drew needs the sponsored links now, not enough people crazy enough to pay for this crap
 
2013-06-29 07:13:12 AM

ThatDarkFellow: sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunate ...


Ok, wasn't expecting the comments for this article to hit so close to home....very close. I grew up in rural Indiana. My Grandfather and Father were rabbit hunters....we had 4-6 beagles in kennels or on lines as long as I can remember. My grandfather had a similar attitude towards "working dogs" that sethen320's great grandfather had. I suspect they were men from the same era, and grew up in the depression. A dog that ran deer "trash" could cost you a day's hunt...and therefore meals for your family. A dog that ran trash would also bring the other dogs in the pack along with it...and therefore teach them to also run trash. The quickest and most effective way to prevent one bad egg from ruining the entire bunch, and costing a family a great deal of food an financial troubles was a shotgun to the brain-pan.
My father, also and avid hunter wasn't even remotely this way. Our family was in a much better financial situation and hunting was a supplemental source of nutrition rather than a primary source. We did not kill our defective beagles (and we had a few), they were turned into house/yard pets or given to a family who wanted a cuddly beagle to call their own. Beagles are sweet hearts and make excellent pets.
I have killed pets for euthanasia purposes, and do not regret it...but when and how to do it depends on the pet. The old hunting dogs that were riddled with cancer to the point where the aspirins weren't helping and their lives looked miserable. Those old dogs were taken for their last hunt. Hunting is something these dogs lived to do, the loved it. They would scream and howl every time you opened a tail gate to the truck. They loved the opportunity to do what they were born and bred to do. The thought of carrying my old beagles into that cold vet's office they hated so much wasn't  a thought I found comfortable. Yo have them die on a cold metal table in a place they felt so uncomfortable, to me that would be the greatest betrayal I could have ever done to them. I owed them better than that. They served me and my family well, and damn it I will do my best to make sure they are happy and as comfortable as possible when they exit for the big briar patch in the sky. After the deed was done they were buried in the fields a hollers they ran in.
I now have a puggle named Norman, and he is a 100% house dog. He's tubby and lovable and is quite possibly my best friend in the world. I love him. He is not a hunting dog, unless stalking bacon counts. When his time comes I will take him to the vet and let the vet do the dirty work. Norman does'n't mind the vet and is usually excited by the sites and smells he finds there....so I think that would be ok for him. If I were to take him out into the woods...he'd be like "WTF? It's cold out, and not a pillow in site...this sucks..I think I'm itchy". Yeah, so he will not be taking any kind of of last hunt, and I'll be glad to not have that burden to carry if I were to ever have to have him put down.
 
2013-06-29 07:19:36 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Most cops would plant the 12 pack on her if they made a "mistake". To quote one officer about 25 years ago: "We don't make mistakes; you made the mistake."


In many cases, artificial sweeteners lead to greater incidence of obesity, as the body disassociates the sensation of sweetness from the impact.
 
2013-06-29 07:21:05 AM

doglover: Lsherm: I'm fairly certain that's against procedure in every farking police department in the country.

On one hand, yes. But in this case, it's totally understandable and no-one got screwed.

Policing may not be for this man, as he has a conscience.

While I agree that policing is clearly not in this guys future, do not mistake the lack of fortitude to do unpleasant necessities with a conscience.
 
2013-06-29 07:39:18 AM

picturescrazy: That said, when I came home and found a rabbit on my driveway that was shaking and missing the skin off its back (I assume a cat's doing but I'll never know) I did what had to be done. I smacked it on the head with a shovel because that was the quickest and most humane way I had of killing it. My choices were to do that, or let it suffer in shock for awhile before dying on its own. You can still be a human being and put down an animal. Besides, everyone's big problem is that he gave his gun to a stranger.


I once hit a cat that ran across the road from underneath a car (I saw it a second before I hit it).  I stopped and went back and it was farked, but still gasping.  I had to get my tire iron and bash it's poor brain, and then drag it to the side of the road and cover it with a tshirt.

I felt horrible for weeks.  Friends telling me I should have saved it didn't help.

/it was well and truly beyond hope, 3/4 of the poor thing was smooshed.
//sniff
 
2013-06-29 07:43:26 AM
My favorite kitty, kitty mew, died of old age, last week.  She's buried in a shoe box between the houses.  It was sad to find her stiff and lifeless in front of a bedroom door.  Hakunna Matata.   :   \
 
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