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(IndyStar)   Police officer tasked with euthanizing wounded deer. Does he: c) Break down in tears, say he "can't do it," and hand his duty firearm to a random bystander?   (indystar.com) divider line 192
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2013-06-29 01:21:35 AM  

doglover: I'd have been able to shoot it. But I'd have drunk... a lot later.


Ohh definitely, and I did slam a few down that evening. But I would've hated myself if I left it there.
 
2013-06-29 01:23:01 AM  
Putting down a mortally wounded animal is the humane thing to do, but often it is a very difficult thing to do.

I'll give this guy all due credit for having an abundance of human empathy. This is a quality that's not exactly common in many police forces around the US. However, I'm not sure that handing a loaded service revolver to a nearby bystander is the best way to resolve a situation like this.

I feel bad for this guy. Maybe he could become a veterinarian? That's an extremely honorable (and if you're the right kind of person, rewarding) line of work, and it seems like he'd be well-suited for it.
 
2013-06-29 01:23:12 AM  
s.mcstatic.com
 
2013-06-29 01:23:30 AM  
That job can devour the wrong person.
 
2013-06-29 01:23:31 AM  
I live in Indy and had to comment on the article. I feel badly for the officer that there's an investigation.  Yeah, maybe handing his service revolver to a citizen wasn't a great decision, but he obviously has a huge heart and was deeply affected by this.  Some may say oh it's just a deer, but I would be a god damn wreck if that was me.  I'm glad that an officer feels so strongly about taking any life - that's the kind of person that should be an officer.
 
2013-06-29 01:25:27 AM  

eventhelosers: sethen320: RealAmericanHero: Wall_of_Doodoo: Cut and paste for yourself. Just in case it doesn't work out, 'suck a dick' and I mean that with all intent and purpose, suck a dick.

Respond. Do it ladyboy. Be clever.

Being a bigot trying to defend yourself? Doesn't matter if you right. Go fark yourself and all your ilk.

Seriously?  Stop whining.

If you wanna be enemies that's fine.  Just don't be a crybaby.

Awww I'm sure you guys are gonna have great makeup sex.


I would love to come back with something witty but that was too good.  You saw the shot and you took it.  I can't blame you for it and I applaud the result.
 
2013-06-29 01:30:09 AM  

mialynneb: I'm glad that an officer feels so strongly about taking any life - that's the kind of person that should be an officer.


Right on.
 
2013-06-29 01:30:20 AM  

wallywam1: Peter von Nostrand: Seriously though, giving up his gun to some random stranger should get him fired.

Dude, it's Indi-farking-ana. That's like the Canada of the Midwest. They probably apologized for giving the gun back without breaking it down and cleaning it first.


LOL no. You don't know Indiana.  Hoosier Hospitality (TM) is a thing of the past. Maybe even a myth to begin with.
 
2013-06-29 01:30:24 AM  
^^This. :(
 
2013-06-29 01:31:16 AM  
I have always said that I would never be a part of "euthanizing" an animal on moral grounds.  I've never actually had to do it before, so it was easy to say. This morning I had to help my parents take their dog (13 yrs old) to the vet for this and I can absolutely say they did the right thing.  If the animal is truly suffering then this is definitely the right thing to do, but I would not enjoy it.  I can understand where the cop was coming from.  I don't really fault him for not having the stomach for it.

/I always get annoyed by the people who say stuff like "I'd rather pay for the bullet and put my dog down then pay the vet $500 for surgery".  Why do you even have a pet?
 
2013-06-29 01:32:54 AM  

mialynneb: wallywam1: Peter von Nostrand: Seriously though, giving up his gun to some random stranger should get him fired.

Dude, it's Indi-farking-ana. That's like the Canada of the Midwest. They probably apologized for giving the gun back without breaking it down and cleaning it first.

LOL no. You don't know Indiana.  Hoosier Hospitality (TM) is a thing of the past. Maybe even a myth to begin with.


Off-topic, but I used to live in Indiana (Angola).  I was there for about a year.  I have never seen such racism in my life...and I'm from Texas.  It's REALLY bad up there.
 
2013-06-29 01:33:34 AM  
If there were skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea can near the deer, the officer would have emptied the clip, no questions asked.
 
2013-06-29 01:34:37 AM  

Matthew Keene: If there were skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea can near the deer, the officer would have emptied the clip, no questions asked.


I think you mean "Neighborhood watch captain" or something like that...
 
2013-06-29 01:35:19 AM  
Had to put down a deer that was caught in my fence. I will admit I wasn't prepared for the mess. I made the first mistake of forgetting that a hollow point was in the chamber.

My brother hit a bull on the highway a year or so ago, and another farmer came by who ended up putting the bull down since it was blocking the road and in obvious pain. The officer told me that he had no problem with the guy putting the bull down instead of him because the paperwork was "almost as much or more than if he had shot a person." Let a bystander do it and you get to go home on time. It was 2AM so the bystanders consisted of me, my brother, and this other guy who had a .357 in his truck.
 
2013-06-29 01:37:03 AM  
So let's post a bad decision for all the world to view and make a mockery of a man for having a moment of weakness. Because in 'murica we lick the salty tears up like deep fried butter right? I mean, of course this dude, his family, the police department, and probably the guy that was handed the gun is going to be hassled for a very very long time, but as long as it's for a laugh on the internet right fellas? Reading half the comments on this thread is a fairly solid motive for some cops to become assholes. Because the power-hungry thugs are the status quo, and the good people who make mistakes get humiliated and fired. 

/You are the cause of your own problems.
//flame on
 
2013-06-29 01:38:52 AM  

sethen320: I have always said that I would never be a part of "euthanizing" an animal on moral grounds.  I've never actually had to do it before, so it was easy to say. This morning I had to help my parents take their dog (13 yrs old) to the vet for this and I can absolutely say they did the right thing.  If the animal is truly suffering then this is definitely the right thing to do, but I would not enjoy it.  I can understand where the cop was coming from.  I don't really fault him for not having the stomach for it.

/I always get annoyed by the people who say stuff like "I'd rather pay for the bullet and put my dog down then pay the vet $500 for surgery".  Why do you even have a pet?


Just an FYI for the future: there's a lot of programs popping up in cities where they'll do the deed at your house. Makes it much easier to deal with when you don't have to stress them out with the transport and vet area. We had to do that to my parent's dog a few weeks ago. It was tough, but her being able to just calmly go to sleep in her bed made it a lot easier. They also did a paw print in clay which was cool.
 
2013-06-29 01:42:53 AM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: Lsherm: I'm fairly certain that's against procedure in every farking police department in the country.

Yeah, it is. But, believe it or not, there was a time when a dude who was issued a bullet delivery system could look at his fellow citizens while overwhelmed and find a never again mentioned act of support. There was a time when TMZ couldn't buy you away from supporting your emotionally traumatized neighbor.

Sometimes, believe it or not, we all hurt deeply. We put in a hundred or so hours a week and shooting a baby anything despite our 'duty' becomes hard and terrible.

When you finally find a decent man enforcing the law, stop crapping on him. Sometimes flexing a finger is a larger burden than ordering a DQ cone.


why does everything have to get reported on now days.  back in the day you saw or did whatever it was and went on with your life. not "hey look at me I put $5 in the red kettle at christmas"
 
2013-06-29 01:43:47 AM  
wahhhhhhhhhh i'm not going to shoot the deer because I'm apparently a sadist who wants the deer to suffer wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

what an irrational person

//euthanasia is a routine part of hunting (for meat, not sport). Use a second shot to put an animal out of its misery, or you are a dick.
 
2013-06-29 01:46:50 AM  

EvilAvatar: So let's post a bad decision for all the world to view and make a mockery of a man for having a moment of weakness. Because in 'murica we lick the salty tears up like deep fried butter right? I mean, of course this dude, his family, the police department, and probably the guy that was handed the gun is going to be hassled for a very very long time, but as long as it's for a laugh on the internet right fellas? Reading half the comments on this thread is a fairly solid motive for some cops to become assholes. Because the power-hungry thugs are the status quo, and the good people who make mistakes get humiliated and fired. 

/You are the cause of your own problems.
//flame on


I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.
 
2013-06-29 01:48:27 AM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: scottydoesntknow: Wall_of_Doodoo: So you pick an article that has already been submitted and has comments for a lamer headlined one with no comments. I guess the next step is to submit the same story from Buzzfeed and watch this one disappear?

I have an idea, why not just give us a list of sponsored links so we can slightly modify or directly quote them to be approved?

Fark was once an amazing, silly Internet site. It's becoming a humorless Huffpo crapzone.

/Feels appropriate

So http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yVvtmkTPh xc

Cut and paste for yourself. Just in case it doesn't work out, 'suck a dick' and I mean that with all intent and purpose, suck a dick.

Respond. Do it ladyboy. Be clever.


Why should he/she be cleaver when you weren't?  Random bit of homophobia?  Really?
 
2013-06-29 01:48:58 AM  
I look at a deer and I only see delicious.
 
2013-06-29 01:49:02 AM  

Waldo Pepper: why does everything have to get reported on now days.  back in the day you saw or did whatever it was and went on with your life. not "hey look at me I put $5 in the red kettle at christmas"


You must not go online much, or have kids. I don't want to frighten you, but there's this website called facebook... or twitter... or
 
2013-06-29 01:49:22 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.


Do you really equate "law enforcement" with "killing living things?"

That's a wee bit disturbing.
 
2013-06-29 01:50:57 AM  

scottydoesntknow: sethen320: I have always said that I would never be a part of "euthanizing" an animal on moral grounds.  I've never actually had to do it before, so it was easy to say. This morning I had to help my parents take their dog (13 yrs old) to the vet for this and I can absolutely say they did the right thing.  If the animal is truly suffering then this is definitely the right thing to do, but I would not enjoy it.  I can understand where the cop was coming from.  I don't really fault him for not having the stomach for it.

/I always get annoyed by the people who say stuff like "I'd rather pay for the bullet and put my dog down then pay the vet $500 for surgery".  Why do you even have a pet?

Just an FYI for the future: there's a lot of programs popping up in cities where they'll do the deed at your house. Makes it much easier to deal with when you don't have to stress them out with the transport and vet area. We had to do that to my parent's dog a few weeks ago. It was tough, but her being able to just calmly go to sleep in her bed made it a lot easier. They also did a paw print in clay which was cool.


Thanks.  My biggest thing was hoping he wasn't scared.  I can see the value in a program like that.  It definitely made for a weird Friday morning.  I was about to drive through the gate when I found out so I turned around to help them.  Afterward I just got lunch and went to work...and when people asked why I was in a bad mood I told them and got comments like "You paid a vet to kill a dog?  I would have done it for half that with my .22".  I just kind of gave them "Um...thanks, I'll keep that in mind".

But I digress.  The deer was right there and the gun was the only tool available.  It is definitely a much more traumatic experience, I'm sure.  I don't blame the cop for not being able to do it, I would have the same problem.

That being said, a defenseless animal is different from a hostile, armed human.  Self-preservation takes over at that point.  I don't think his inability to shoot a wounded animal translates to bad guys.
 
2013-06-29 01:53:06 AM  
My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found her.

There have been a few times that I have killed animals to rescue them from further suffering, but that beloved hunting dog of lore is the source of ny compassion, and the trash running dog is the source of my detachment.
 
2013-06-29 01:53:08 AM  

hardinparamedic: picturescrazy: have no idea what that's from, I think it's making fun of me, and it still made me laugh.

It's from this. For some reason I had it in my head that you exploded a rabbit.


No chit. At least we know...cop will not shoot what she/he thinks is a deer. Thereore, "deer" costume is safe!


/Thanks for the tip! I promise to spend all my Halloween mischief-making activities to when I'm in a full-wolf moon costume.
/"Hey man...do you got  a three-cent stamp? Because I got the .43-centt stamps, but I'm a little short right now...
 
2013-06-29 01:54:29 AM  

doglover: but life ain't the movies


Wanna know how I know that despite your namesake you've never watched "Wag The Dog?"
 
2013-06-29 01:59:07 AM  

seventypercent: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.

Do you really equate "law enforcement" with "killing living things?"

That's a wee bit disturbing.


I don't, but I'll support the conclusion. Not wanting to kill a helpless animal, I understand and sympathize with. Not be able to do it, even when good conscience requires it?

Yeah...you need to find a different line of work. Equanimity with the use of violence is sort of the job description.
 
2013-06-29 01:59:39 AM  

sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...


So...you love dogs, as long as they are useful tools?  I don't get it.  I see where a dog can be a great hunting companion, but are you saying you won't hesitate to kill them if they don't work out absolutely as envisioned?  Do you feel tougher for having scared the goth teen?  Maybe I missed the joke here.
 
2013-06-29 02:00:13 AM  
I've got no problem with this.
 
2013-06-29 02:02:43 AM  
Did I miss the "If the dear had been BLACK or suspected of buying a 12 pack of beer" jokes yet?
 
2013-06-29 02:02:49 AM  

MFAWG: whatshisname: I guess it was a white tailed deer then?

We know it wasn't a blacktail!


I can assure you blacktail deer are just as stupid when it comes to cars as whitetails.
 
2013-06-29 02:05:23 AM  

Bumblefark: I don't, but I'll support the conclusion. Not wanting to kill a helpless animal, I understand and sympathize with. Not be able to do it, even when good conscience requires it?

Yeah...you need to find a different line of work. Equanimity with the use of violence is sort of the job description.


Okay. This is why I was suggesting that this officer might be better suited as a vet.
 
2013-06-29 02:07:40 AM  
Torn on this one. On the one hand as an ex-vet I will tell you the ability to kill isn't as common as movies would lead you to believe. It has an emotional toll you wouldn't believe and it's a smarter type who realizes that before taking the life.

On the other hand if you carry a gun and your job might require you to take one human life to save others then the fact that you can't bring yourself to humanely end the life of an animal is concerning.
 
2013-06-29 02:09:15 AM  

sethen320: That being said, a defenseless animal is different from a hostile, armed human.  Self-preservation takes over at that point.


Not always. Not even most of the time. Many just freeze up. I've seen fellow cops and soldiers just sit there and do nothing when the bullets were flying in their direction. Training is the only thing that can overcome that. Conditioning yourself to just react, and react properly. Something I've heard many times from some very experienced and knowledgeable instructors in the military/LE/firearms world "When your life is threatened, you will not rise to the occasion. You will fall back on your training."

What does that have to do with shooting an injured deer? Not much. I'm just responding to the "self-preservation takes over" idea. Unfortunately with many people, no it doesn't. And you never really know if you will until you face it. I've seen some of the toughest talking hard-asses downright refuse to get out of the truck and return fire when their buddies were getting shot at. And I've seen the quietest WoW playing introverts act as calm and cool as can be, doing their jobs with expert precision. You just never really know until it happens.
 
2013-06-29 02:12:00 AM  

seventypercent: Putting down a mortally wounded animal is the humane thing to do, but often it is a very difficult thing to do.


I feel bad for this guy. Maybe he could become a veterinarian? That's an extremely honorable (and if you're the right kind of person, rewarding) line of work, and it seems like he'd be well-suited for it.


Yeah, but then he'd have to euthanize stuff all the time. Granted, having put down a lot of animals as a vet and shot a few as a hunter... it's a hell of a lot more peaceful and less traumatic with drugs in the office. But the emotional bit, while it gets easier at times, never really stops being a burden. I imagine this guy would have trouble with that too, even more so since the sobbing owners would be right there as well.

Related to another story up-thread: my stepfather came upon an old lady who'd hit a deer and a cop who'd stopped to check it out on the way home one night. Ended up going home (about 5 minutes drive) and coming back with his own gun to shoot it to spare the cop the huge amount of paperwork that apparently goes along with firing their weapon for any reason. Also... free venison.
 
2013-06-29 02:14:06 AM  
I witnessed a similar event first hand when I was a teen. NY State Trooper - transferred six hours to the sticks from somewhere down by NYC. He'd been an officer for almost two decades - scraped pieces parts off the road; held people while they died, been shot at, used his weapon in the line of duty, been to house fires where people died, (it's been over 30 years for me and all I have to do is think of the smell and I'm right there).

And yet, when a semi's brakes failed and ran into an Amish buggy - shoving it up and over the horse - the animal laying in the street screaming, limbs broken, skin torn.... He handed his weapon to my father's friend to put the animal down; he couldn't do it.

/Friend was an old farmer in his 60's. He did the job and handed the weapon back. Then we helped clear the animal from the traces to clear the road. Amish father and his daughter were shaken up, but unharmed btw. Maybe it was different times, but nobody thought less of the man; it certainly wasn't 'news'.
 
2013-06-29 02:16:19 AM  

sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...

So...you love dogs, as long as they are useful tools?  I don't get it.  I see where a dog can be a great hunting companion, but are you saying you won't hesitate to kill them if they don't work out absolutely as envisioned?  Do you feel tougher for having scared the goth teen?  Maybe I missed the joke here.


This is when you used dogs as tools to make a living.

Like when you used Chinese to make a railroad, only with dogs.

Maybe you missed the part where this was my great grandfather. They weren't hunting companions, they were the hunters. Tools. Like oxen, performing a job, only without the cart and they are dogs chasing game.

This is also in Indiana, only a long time ago so obliquely relevant?

Way to miss the point, deliberate point misser.
 
2013-06-29 02:17:21 AM  

sethen320: sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we ...


@Sethen320

 It wasn't a joke. And yeah, you missed it.

/uncles and grandfather ran hunting dogs too (no stories like these thankfully)
//tough life over all, but the dogs love it.
 
2013-06-29 02:19:40 AM  
"Sad", Subby? 'Scary', 'Asinine' or 'Idiot' maybe, but there's nothing sad about a cop just handing his loaded firearm to a random civilian on the sidewalk and telling him to fire away.

I have no problem with the officer being emotional, or not even being able to carry out the deed and making the deer wait until animal control gets there to do the deed, I have a problem with an officer handing his loaded firearm to people he doesn't know.

I also wonder how that works in that particular city's boundaries. A lot of places would consider that illegally discharging a weapon inside city limits. It would really suck if the next chapter in this saga was a story about the civilian getting charged with a crime here.

I understand the situation here, but as someone said upthread, there isn't a cop shop in the country that wouldn't consider this a violation of procedure. I would guess that a majority would fire you instantly, too.
 
2013-06-29 02:22:43 AM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: So you pick an article that has already been submitted and has comments for a lamer headlined one with no comments. I guess the next step is to submit the same story from Buzzfeed and watch this one disappear?

I have an idea, why not just give us a list of sponsored links so we can slightly modify or directly quote them to be approved?

Fark was once an amazing, silly Internet site. It's becoming a humorless Huffpo crapzone.


No one is holding a gun to your head to be here.
 
2013-06-29 02:23:32 AM  

Wall_of_Doodoo: Lsherm: I'm fairly certain that's against procedure in every farking police department in the country.

Yeah, it is. But, believe it or not, there was a time when a dude who was issued a bullet delivery system could look at his fellow citizens while overwhelmed and find a never again mentioned act of support. There was a time when TMZ couldn't buy you away from supporting your emotionally traumatized neighbor.

Sometimes, believe it or not, we all hurt deeply. We put in a hundred or so hours a week and shooting a baby anything despite our 'duty' becomes hard and terrible.

When you finally find a decent man enforcing the law, stop crapping on him. Sometimes flexing a finger is a larger burden than ordering a DQ cone.


That's cool and all, but I fail to see how it excuses an officer handing his weapon to a civilian that he knows nothing about and telling said civilian to open fire.

Bonus points: He wasn't really "enforcing the law". It's not like the deer was guilty of felony bleeding.
 
2013-06-29 02:27:24 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: EvilAvatar: So let's post a bad decision for all the world to view and make a mockery of a man for having a moment of weakness. Because in 'murica we lick the salty tears up like deep fried butter right? I mean, of course this dude, his family, the police department, and probably the guy that was handed the gun is going to be hassled for a very very long time, but as long as it's for a laugh on the internet right fellas? Reading half the comments on this thread is a fairly solid motive for some cops to become assholes. Because the power-hungry thugs are the status quo, and the good people who make mistakes get humiliated and fired. 

/You are the cause of your own problems.
//flame on

I've no desire to flame you, but the fact remains that if you're in a law enforcement job and you have a visceral revulsion towards killing living things, you're better off employed elsewhere.


Despite what farkers like to think, the duty of being a cop is a lot more than gunning down people and shooting at things; it is probably at the very bottom. I would think unless you live in the most crime-ridden places the vast majority of cops at your area have never shot at anyone or even fire a shot on duty before. Besides, it was a wounded animal, not a robber aiming his gun.
 
2013-06-29 02:32:22 AM  

sporkme: My great-grandfather ran hunting dogs, as a vocation. My dad has told a couple of enlightening tales of hunting with Eber, which I will relate.

A very good hunting dog was a prolific sire, spawning several excellent hunters. Eber became very fond of the dog, and allowed him in the house and whatnot, a luxury not afforded to normal working dogs. The dog was out for a treat, hunting with his grandsons, when he leaped a bit low over a barbed wire fence, disemboweling himself and entangling his testicles. Had his testicles remained intact, Eber would have tried to rescue him. This loyal dog received a coup de grace, hanging right there on the fence, guts asunder, balls impaled, in the form of a shotgun blast to the head. So now in my family, 'on the fence' has a different colloquial meaning.

Another dog had shown promise as a pup. Keep in mind, this is a business for Eber. So a dog has to earn his keep, at a minimum. So this promising dog is "running trash," that is to say he is wasting everyone's time chasing cats, opossum, rats, etc. instead of legitimate game. So Eber has worked with this dog, trying to correct his malfunction, and things are looking good until the dog brings back a baby opossum. Eber praises him, gives the dog a hunk of smoked raccoon meat, waits for him to lower his head to eat, draws his revolver, and sends the defective machine back to the manufacturer.

So dad brought me up with that shiat rattling around in his head, and there is a transfer that occurs with the telling of tales and the general mindset of elders.

When I was helping a friend move her son to his first apartment, said son riding shotgun in my old beat up pickup, we hit a deer. The truck survived, but so did the deer, at least long enough to drag her guts into the corn field. When I opened the glove compartment and withdrew the Ka-Bar, the goth teen about peed his Calvins.

"We have to put that animal out of its misery."

Fortunately(?) the animal had died by the time we found ...


Your patriarchy sounds like a bunch of pricks
 
2013-06-29 02:37:00 AM  

Todd300: I'm assuming I'd be correct in saying the deer wasn't black?


Brown.  Shouldn't that be close enough?
 
2013-06-29 02:37:49 AM  
Still kind of stupid of the officer's part to hand his gun over to some stranger, but the stranger probably could of shot the deer better than the crying cop. A few years back this woman let her dog run in this back lot next to my grandmothers, and here damn dog chased a deer into a wired fence. The deer got caught and broke its neck. It was still alive, and my mom proceeded to biatch out the woman, because she let her dog unleashed which is against the law. She then called the DNR up to check on the deer that is stuck, determined it had to be shot, but they couldn't do it. Something about only cops can shoot in the city limits. So the deer had to wait for almost two hours in misery for a cop to show up with his shotgun and shoot her. The cop missed, and had to shoot twice. Point blank range. Then the deer's corpse with in our yard for another 5 hours while the neighbors begged for the body. Usually I am all for that, but that deer was in suffering for so long, we said no. We later cut down the wire fence that was in between the property line of my gram's and other person's, even if it wasn't our fence. They never came to look at their land in like 10 years.
 
2013-06-29 02:40:14 AM  
Okay, it's a deer, not a human. Yeah it's sad, but, you're a cop. Call farking animal control if you can't do it.
 
2013-06-29 02:40:16 AM  

taurusowner: sethen320: That being said, a defenseless animal is different from a hostile, armed human.  Self-preservation takes over at that point.

Not always. Not even most of the time. Many just freeze up. I've seen fellow cops and soldiers just sit there and do nothing when the bullets were flying in their direction. Training is the only thing that can overcome that. Conditioning yourself to just react, and react properly. Something I've heard many times from some very experienced and knowledgeable instructors in the military/LE/firearms world "When your life is threatened, you will not rise to the occasion. You will fall back on your training."

What does that have to do with shooting an injured deer? Not much. I'm just responding to the "self-preservation takes over" idea. Unfortunately with many people, no it doesn't. And you never really know if you will until you face it. I've seen some of the toughest talking hard-asses downright refuse to get out of the truck and return fire when their buddies were getting shot at. And I've seen the quietest WoW playing introverts act as calm and cool as can be, doing their jobs with expert precision. You just never really know until it happens.


I know where you're going. I agree, no matter the circumstances it is never easy. I have been in a situation where I almost had to shoot someone and I DID NOT WANT TO. Now that I'm wiser I would atill have priblems with it, but I would survive.

All of the ITGs who say they're going to just shoot anyone who walks into their house have no idea as to what they are saying until it happens. Most people will probably forget they even have a gun.
 
2013-06-29 02:44:16 AM  
drawception.com


emo cop. y u so emo?
 
2013-06-29 02:45:12 AM  

doglover: scottydoesntknow: You're trusting him with a tool that can easily kill, and he hands it to a random person

It's almost like every citizen of America has the right to bear arms, or something.

I don't see any problems with an officer giving his service weapon to a stranger per se. There's potential problems if it's stolen and used in another crime etc, but life ain't the movies and a cop's gun is really just another gun. Often they're not even very good guns.

So I while I see what you're getting at, I respectfully disagree.


I'm with you. I'm also a pretty good judge of character, and I'd trust myself not to hand the gun to someone who'd misuse it. In this case, I'm willing to extend that trust to this particular cop. They shouldn't give him more than a reprimand, he's clearly a decent human being.
 
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