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(Reason Magazine)   Democrats are overjoyed that DOMA has finally been overturned. Especially the ones on this long list of Democrats who voted in favor of it but wish no one remembered they did   (reason.com) divider line 368
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2013-06-28 04:34:22 PM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-28 04:35:38 PM  
Those Democrats that voted for DOMA?  They were wrong to do so.

See how easy that is, Republican taint-lickers?
 
2013-06-28 04:48:46 PM  
People evolve. Well some people evolve.
 
2013-06-28 04:54:09 PM  
Yeah, they should have just went along with amending the Constitution.
 
2013-06-28 05:51:28 PM  
Today's Republican party, who cite the founders when convenient but toss the Constitution and everything else out the window when it suits them, are upset because people evolve?

Oh wait, they don't believe in evolution, either, so this must be... difficult for them to comprehend.
 
2013-06-28 05:52:45 PM  
I don't know what people think pointing this out means. That some Democrats were socially conservative in a lot of ways in the 90s? Yes, that's true. And?
 
2013-06-28 05:59:00 PM  
So vote Republican?
 
2013-06-28 06:06:04 PM  

Kimothy: Today's Republican party, who cite the founders when convenient but toss the Constitution and everything else out the window when it suits them, are upset because people evolve?

Oh wait, they don't believe in evolution, either, so this must be... difficult for them to comprehend.


Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.
Media outlets just tend to get more viewers when the idiots are put in the spotlight.
 
2013-06-28 06:12:50 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.
Media outlets But conservative anti-gay, anti science nutbags just tend to get more viewers  votes in GOP heavy districts when the idiots are put in the spotlight.


FTFY
 
2013-06-28 06:14:19 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Media outlets just tend to get more viewers when the idiots are put in the spotlight.


This is true, but particularly troublesome for the right because Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and other media figures seem just fine with perpetuating this phenomenon, even when, particularly in Limbaugh's case, it hurts the GOP overall with mainstream voters. Many national conservative voices -- not people appearing on the media outlets, but with media outlets of their own (columns, talk shows, etc.) -- seem perfectly content to lend their reach to second-string candidates with far-right views that then agitate the base and end up winning a primary for an election in which they stand little to no chance of actually winning.
 
2013-06-28 06:17:35 PM  

Kimothy: Today's Republican party, who cite the founders when convenient but toss the Constitution and everything else out the window when it suits them, are upset because people evolve?

Oh wait, they don't believe in evolution, either, so this must be... difficult for them to comprehend.


Today's Republican Party, who invoke Lincoln freeing the slaves when convenient, but work to disenfranchise blacks when they vote for the Democrats.
 
2013-06-28 06:17:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: So vote Republican?


Vote Libertarian.  Reason magazine has opposed DOMA from the beginning.
 
2013-06-28 06:20:22 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Peter von Nostrand: So vote Republican?

Vote Libertarian.  Reason magazine has opposed DOMA from the beginning.


You mean like 'Libertarian' RAND PAUL who criticized the SCOTUS ruling overturning DOMA and claimed it would lead to bestiality? Or 'Libertarian' Justin Amash who supported DOMA but now thinks the government shouldn't recognize any marriage (except straight ones, apparently)?
 
2013-06-28 06:21:57 PM  
Not surprising since the GOP seem to also believe that "once a racist, always a racist".
 
2013-06-28 06:22:59 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Peter von Nostrand: So vote Republican?

Vote Libertarian.  Reason magazine has opposed DOMA from the beginning.


*howaboutnobear.jpg*
 
2013-06-28 06:23:31 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: [i291.photobucket.com image 283x399]


LOL!
 
2013-06-28 06:39:39 PM  
Apparently it's not "Reason"able to change your opinion after being wrong 17 years ago.
 
2013-06-28 06:44:08 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.


Yes, they are. If you aren't an anti-gay, anti-science, anti-woman nutbag, you might fall someplace on the right-side of the political spectrum, but you sure as hell ain't a conservative. You can still be a regressivist douchebag, or worse, an Internet libertarian, but you ain't a conservative.
 
2013-06-28 06:44:54 PM  
This just in: Democrats aren't required to vote lockstep to the whims of their congressional leaders.
 
2013-06-28 06:45:15 PM  
Okay, let me just pretend that some little magazine about a failed political ideology presented a compelling point regarding the party of my political affiliation, causing me to become angry.

Grr.


That was fun.
 
2013-06-28 06:45:49 PM  
Breaking news: Democrats were spineless weenies 17 years ago, just like they are today.
 
2013-06-28 06:46:38 PM  
Yeah, and the country was a heck of a lot more homophobic 17 years ago. Times change, the decent people change with them and realize when they're wrong.
 
2013-06-28 06:46:55 PM  
Those Democrats are all forgiven for their past actions. Should they repeat those actions, well...
 
2013-06-28 06:48:05 PM  
Is there some way we can work Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick into this?
 
2013-06-28 06:48:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Breaking news: Democrats were spineless weenies 17 years ago, just like they are today.


And yet Republicans are pants-wetting terrified of Obama. So who's spineless?
 
2013-06-28 06:49:00 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.


However the entire Republican Congressional leadership are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.
 
2013-06-28 06:49:26 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Lando Lincoln: Breaking news: Democrats were spineless weenies 17 years ago, just like they are today.

And yet Republicans are pants-wetting terrified of Obama. So who's spineless?


Republicans are pants-wetting afraid of their constituents, not Obama.
 
2013-06-28 06:50:13 PM  
So, your saying that, when presented with new evidence such as the whole host of studies on gay relationships, or else presented with a moral and ethical quandary that requires a person to examine beliefs they hold fundamentally sound, then that Democrats are far more capable of admitting that they have made mistakes and are capable of correcting them?

I think subby wants to elect the political version of grumpy cat.
 
2013-06-28 06:50:31 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Those Democrats that voted for DOMA?  They were wrong to do so.

See how easy that is, Republican taint-lickers?


R.A.Danny: People evolve. Well some people evolve.


Why do Republicans seem to believe that one must lock in an opinion on something and never change that opinion?

The Democrats who voted for DOMA were wrong to do so. Their opinions changed and evolved in a positive way. That's a good thing.

...unless you're a Republican, of course.
 
2013-06-28 06:50:55 PM  
Ah, the mighty and powerful Blue Dogs. . .


It was formed in 1995[2] during the 104th Congress to give more conservative members from the Democratic party a unified voice after the Democrats' loss of Congress in the U.S. Congressional election of 1994.[3] Blue Dog Coalition membership experienced a rapid decline in the 2010s decade, falling from 54 seats in the 111th Congress to only 14 seats in the 113th Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
 
2013-06-28 06:51:46 PM  
So. 9 Senators and 25 Representatives? In a party as fractious as the Democrats, that's all?

And more than a few, such as now-Vice President Biden, have changed their position and "refudiated" their vote.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers
 
2013-06-28 06:52:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Breaking news: Democrats were spineless weenies 17 years ago, just like they are today.


Reagan cutting and running from Beruit was 30 years ago, not 17. And he was a republican. Get your facts straight.
 
2013-06-28 06:54:29 PM  

rynthetyn: Yeah, and the country was a heck of a lot more homophobic 17 years ago. Times change, the decent people change with them and realize when they're wrong.


Bingo.  It's a fairly recent phenomena, within the last few years, where the tide of public opinion has shifted toward a majority wanting marriage equality.  That means over the last 17 years, a LOT of people have had changes of hearts on this issue; these democratic politicians are evidently among them.

/And what, a whopping 3 Congressional republicans?  Sad.
 
2013-06-28 06:54:38 PM  
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2013-06-28 06:54:49 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Kimothy: Today's Republican party, who cite the founders when convenient but toss the Constitution and everything else out the window when it suits them, are upset because people evolve?

Oh wait, they don't believe in evolution, either, so this must be... difficult for them to comprehend.

Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.
Media outlets just tend to get more viewers when the idiots are put in the spotlight.


I honestly cannot name one single Republican in office that is not anti-science, anti-gay, or anti-abortion. Anyone who strays from the Republican dogma is called a RINO and shunned from the bubble.
 
2013-06-28 06:55:58 PM  
That's a nice list and all but I doubt it will convince any of their supporters to vote GOP. One might make the case that most of their constituents who supported DOMA are dead now, replaced by those who do not.
So, responsible representatives.
 
2013-06-28 06:57:31 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: jehovahs witness protection: Not all conservatives are anti-gay, anti-science nutbags.
Media outlets But conservative anti-gay, anti science nutbags just tend to get more viewers  votes in GOP heavy districts when the idiots are put in the spotlight.

FTFY


That didn't fix anything.  I don't know of any conservatives who aren't anti-gay anti-science scumbags.  Do you?
 
2013-06-28 06:57:34 PM  
They should be voted out of office.
There is no place for their homophobia.
Come on dems, set the example.

And Schumer should be asked to wear a bra.
 
2013-06-28 06:58:43 PM  
DOMA came about during an election year when the GOP (as usual) decided that they were totally going to take down the libs with a wedge issue.  The Democrats, being pants-pissingly frightened of appearing to believe anything more contoversial than your great-aunt eunice (as usual) voted yes to avoid being tarred as loving "those types".

Now that mores have evolved, the opinions of some people have as well.  Some of it may be political calculus, some of it may be legit, in the end it's irrelevant how they came to the  correct decision, just that they did.  Shame on them for being gutless in 1996, but that was only a few years removed from the Moral Crusades of the 80's after all.  And sure, 'kudos to Reason for not being anti-Gay, though lets be honest here; They off and on supported Ron "theocracy on a state level" Paul, and have had more posts about Raw Milk and George Zimmerman than about gay rights.  Just because they are OK with having their dicks sucked here, doesn't mean they ought to be expecting it at the moment.
 
2013-06-28 07:00:30 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: AdolfOliverPanties: Those Democrats that voted for DOMA?  They were wrong to do so.

See how easy that is, Republican taint-lickers?

R.A.Danny: People evolve. Well some people evolve.

Why do Republicans seem to believe that one must lock in an opinion on something and never change that opinion?

The Democrats who voted for DOMA were wrong to do so. Their opinions changed and evolved in a positive way. That's a good thing.

...unless you're a Republican, of course.


Oh, and Clinton was wrong to sign it.   There.  Bam.  Done!
 
2013-06-28 07:01:04 PM  
Breaking: Ninth Circuit vacates stay order on California Prop 8 marriages.

Same-sex weddings may now occur in California.

(Just in time for Pride Weekend in San Francisco!)
 
2013-06-28 07:01:43 PM  
I'm a libby lib lib and I think those democrats are wrong. Don't vote for something unless you believe in it. That goes for anyone in congress. Back up your vote, you spineless cowards. Own up to it.
 
2013-06-28 07:02:05 PM  

BSABSVR: Some of it may be political calculus


No, that's all of it. Politicians are the simplest sort of intelligence- the reflex intelligence. They care nothing for "rights" or "morals" or "reality", they care about  votes. Votes are their reward mechanism. If they take an action and are rewarded by "polls" (a measure of probable votes), then they act in that way in the future. Conversely, actions which cause them to be punished by "polls" discourages that sort of action.

I speak only of the Federal level. Politicians with fewer than a million constituents are often still human beings, and act accordingly.
 
2013-06-28 07:04:45 PM  

StopLurkListen: Breaking: Ninth Circuit vacates stay order on California Prop 8 marriages.

Same-sex weddings may now occur in California.

(Just in time for Pride Weekend in San Francisco!)


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
Kris Perry & Sandy Stier getting married at SF City Hall

/hot
 
2013-06-28 07:14:21 PM  

propasaurus: Lord Jubjub: Peter von Nostrand: So vote Republican?

Vote Libertarian.  Reason magazine has opposed DOMA from the beginning.

You mean like 'Libertarian' RAND PAUL who criticized the SCOTUS ruling overturning DOMA and claimed it would lead to bestiality? Or 'Libertarian' Justin Amash who supported DOMA but now thinks the government shouldn't recognize any marriage (except straight ones, apparently)?


No true 'libertarian'....
 
2013-06-28 07:17:11 PM  

propasaurus: StopLurkListen: Breaking: Ninth Circuit vacates stay order on California Prop 8 marriages.

Same-sex weddings may now occur in California.

(Just in time for Pride Weekend in San Francisco!)

[s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 625x469]
Kris Perry & Sandy Stier getting married at SF City Hall

/hot

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2831/9149833030_b55319242e_k.jpg

awesome! above is a pic of SF city hall all lit up like a rainbow.
 
2013-06-28 07:17:56 PM  
We have voters who weren't born when that thing was signed.
 
2013-06-28 07:21:02 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: We have voters who weren't born were toddlers when that thing was signed.


oof. almost
 
2013-06-28 07:22:24 PM  
Every decentr human being is delighted that DOMA was partially struck down, and wants the rest of it gone too.

every single one.
 
2013-06-28 07:24:00 PM  
It never ceases to amuse me that for a lot of GOPers, the worst thing that they can hang on a few Democrats is that they act like...GOPers.
 
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