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(National Post)   RCMP: Sorry about the floods. No, you can't go back to your homes. Oh yeah, we raided your houses and took your guns. Have a nice day, eh   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 106
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2013-06-28 06:13:17 PM
14 votes:
And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.
2013-06-28 06:52:17 PM
9 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.


They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.
2013-06-28 06:56:47 PM
6 votes:
The long gun registry was ordered destroyed over a year ago. The RCMP shouldn't even know where long guns are. The article doesn't say if it's long guns or handguns (where they must be registered with all the appropriate permits filed). I'm assuming it's long guns and they're using information that isn't even supposed to exist!
2013-06-28 06:55:20 PM
6 votes:

ModernLuddite: I can't help but think that if the guns were properly stored and locked up, people couldn't just take them.

But maybe the towns people have a point. Maybe guns should just be left lying around after a major disaster. That's a great idea.


They were in houses.

Hey what if this, what if the stupid RCMP did their jobs and arrested LOOTERS instead of stealing LOOT themselves. "Do not worry citizen, we took your TV, guns and car, so that looters couldn't! Now for the good news citizen, if you can produce evidence of ownership of the mentioned items you can have them back!'

Police, a gang like any other.
2013-06-28 06:50:40 PM
6 votes:
I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.
2013-06-28 06:47:07 PM
6 votes:
So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?
2013-06-28 08:03:29 PM
5 votes:

utah dude: Farktastic: utah dude: uh... how would they find them? (if they're raiding houses and what-not? tear apart each and every person's closet? please explain this.

The RCMP entered every home to ensure that the evacuation is done.  High River (the town in question) is basically the town where urban rednecks go to live.  There is a huge amount of 4x4ing, horse riding, Git 'er Dun, shoot 'em up yokels that live there.  Guns are everywhere, like hanging on living room walls, sitting in garages, etc.  I am surprised that some guns might have actually been stored properly.

farktastic, fantastic explanation. thank you.

my have chamber locks and are too oiled up to even barely shoot, would probably not even rust underwater.


Excuse me, but you say redneck and git r done like its a bad thing to be. I'm a redneck, ride and keep horses, 4x4, and enjoy nature. I'm also college educated and don't fark my kinfolk. Kindly keep your bigotry to yourself, some of us find it farking offensive.
2013-06-28 07:21:19 PM
5 votes:
Everyone I know that has ever had firearms in police possession for any reason has got them back damaged and in many cases with a good portion of the ammunition used.

One friend of a friend died of a heart attack, cops took the guns from the family home before the body was even removed by the ambulance (died with his safe unlocked).  They mixed up all the reloading powders that were open (rather than carry a bunch of half full containers, they put them all into a bunch of big containers) so once his friends got everything back for the estate sale they had to destroy a couple hundred bucks in powders since they didn't know what was in the packages.  Damage to the guns from the cop lockup probably cost his family a few thousand dollars in resale value.

Wouldn't have such an issue if they responsible for damages, but they seem to immune.

/Ontario cops in these cases.
2013-06-28 07:01:15 PM
5 votes:

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.
2013-06-28 06:57:05 PM
5 votes:
uh... how would they find them? (if they're raiding houses and what-not? tear apart each and every person's closet? please explain this.
2013-06-28 06:55:36 PM
5 votes:
How the fark are you supposed to provide proof of ownership of stuff like that?  I mean, maybe if you just bought the thing and can electronically get proof from your credit card, but other than that you are basically farked if they take a hard line on returning them.

How the hell could I prove I own by grandfathers shotgun... oh, I know IT WAS IN MY farkING HOUSE.
2013-06-28 06:49:43 PM
5 votes:

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


Except there is no gun registration in Canada.  The bill got struck down, and the RCMP have been throwing little fits ever since.  This would qualify as a big fit.
2013-06-28 09:07:19 PM
4 votes:
THEY DID NOT GO TO HOUSES LOOKING FOR GUNS.
THEY DID NOT USE THE GUN REGISTRY TO LOOK FOR HOUSES WITH GUNS TO GO TO.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-albert a. html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.
"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."

Chicken, keep farking etc.
2013-06-28 07:38:30 PM
4 votes:

Voiceofreason01: fnordfocus: Voiceofreason01: If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?

I imagine the safe companies have some sort of law enforcement hotline to give out combinations, or just an alternate code for the digital ones.

I imagine that you have an impressive collection of aluminum foil hats.


Just as an example, Browning's safes accept a "master reset code" that they'll provide to an owner if Law Enforcement requests it.  You think they won't give it straight to a LEO who calls up?
2013-06-28 07:09:24 PM
4 votes:

sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.


Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.
2013-06-28 07:06:34 PM
4 votes:

Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.

They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.


Shiat like this is exactly why some people defy evacuation orders.   Hell, defying evacuation orders now seems like an idea that is very much worth considering.
2013-06-28 06:58:43 PM
4 votes:
This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...
2013-06-28 11:47:38 PM
3 votes:
So it's been said a few times here, but for those who haven't actually read the article or paid any attention to the news of flooding in Alberta.

A) CANADA

B) There is a sate of emergency and people have been evacuated from the area for over 8 days due to flooding.

C) RCMP are going door to door in the evacuated areas looking for bodies. (And sadly they have found a few.) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

D) In a few homes, unsecured firearms were found. The RCMP are required by law to take custody of the firearms until they can be secured by their owners. Just the same as if the gun was found in the street. People have been out of their homes for 8 days now and no one knows when people will be allowed back into the area. If the door is unlocked or the police had to break the lock to get in, guns on a rack or over the mantle are unsecured.

E) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

F) The National Post's view is that all guns are bad, and any number greater than zero is a "substantial' number of firearms". So if you actually read what little they wrote, sort of think of them as the Canadian equivalent of USA Today.

G) Even in Canada there is crime including looting.

H) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.
2013-06-28 08:39:03 PM
3 votes:
What the Americans in this thread do not understand (other than Canada has different laws) is that if the RCMP had not gone door to door searching for trapped victims and there was one (or some "I aint leaven my propertah" kinda guy).  It would be a major scandal there would be hearings and special investigations and public meetings, all trying to figure out why the RCMP let that person die when all they had to do was look.

It is the same thing with securing the guns, if they left them and even one was stolen and then used in a crime it would cause a huge uproar and the RCMP would be blamed for leaving those weapons unsecured.  Canada is a very different place and we look at things very differently.  The RCMP did probably the best thing in a very bad situation.

Of course those 4 lying murders from the YVR detachment should be tossed in jail, but unfortunately one thing we dont differ on is holding the criminal cops accountable.
2013-06-28 07:53:51 PM
3 votes:

utah dude: uh... how would they find them? (if they're raiding houses and what-not? tear apart each and every person's closet? please explain this.


The RCMP entered every home to ensure that the evacuation is done.  High River (the town in question) is basically the town where urban rednecks go to live.  There is a huge amount of 4x4ing, horse riding, Git 'er Dun, shoot 'em up yokels that live there.  Guns are everywhere, like hanging on living room walls, sitting in garages, etc.  I am surprised that some guns might have actually been stored properly.
2013-06-28 07:33:46 PM
3 votes:

thoughtless: Acharne: I dislike Harper, but I appreciate that he stepped in and told them to give the guns back. This, in my minority opinion in my circle of friends, was uncool of the RCMP to do.

Also, there is a little much posting from people who don't understand our gun laws.

Did Harper actually get involved? The article is scarce on this detail.


Yes he did. Here is a different article:



"Give them back their guns"
KIA
2013-06-28 07:31:03 PM
3 votes:
So, what will you have to sign to get them back?

Oh, and, uh... hope you have records somewhere safe of the serial numbers etc. as well as purchase information because they may not give them back without that either.

Will they be held long enough to start rusting?

I highly doubt the RCMP bothered to dry, clean and lube the guns for you...

Good luck!
2013-06-28 07:29:11 PM
3 votes:

FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?



Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).
2013-06-28 07:22:06 PM
3 votes:
I'd bet there is about a 99.9% chance that one or more people claim they had guns that weren't returned and about a 0% chance to prove which side is lying.
2013-06-29 11:26:13 AM
2 votes:

Xcott: al's hat: That wasn't the case here. They didn't break into houses looking for people who might be trapped or need assistance. They broke into empty houses to remove the guns.

I don't think you understand the concept of looking for people who might be trapped:  they can't tell if the house is empty until they go in to check.

It's not like a dead body is going to answer the door, or be searchable on Google Maps.


I understand the concept of looking for people who might be trapped.  I don't understand taking the time to haul guns away instead of moving quickly to the next house to continue looking for people who might be trapped.
2013-06-29 03:10:09 AM
2 votes:
Wow, the derp really came out in force...

So for the people who think this is some RCMP conspiracy, let me just get this straight: In the middle of a gigantic unprecedented flood, with tens if not hundreds of thousands of evacuees, and the chaotic logistics nightmare that goes with it, the RCMP thought it would be a great time to use the long gun registry, which no longer exists, to go out and haphazardly confiscate yer gunz, admit to it, and then tell people through CBC and other national new sources where they`re being stored and how they can pick them up.

Just wanted to get that cleared up, thanks.

BTW, it`s you idiots that are going to ruin it for the rest of us law abiding gun owners with an ounce of common sense.  Keep it up and your counterparts on the opposite end of the spectrum are going to convice enough people that we really do need to ban semi-autos, just look at all the crazy gun nuts out there!
2013-06-29 12:03:02 AM
2 votes:

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


I would think that if law enforcement has enough resources to go house by house, break in forcibly, search the house, and remove the owners' guns that they have enough resources to prevent almost all looting.
2013-06-28 09:33:18 PM
2 votes:
That will teach you to leave your weapons behind.
2013-06-28 09:16:11 PM
2 votes:

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


A piece of trivia for you. Obama's only senate vote on gun control was in favor of the law that made it illegal for any government agency to do this.
2013-06-28 08:12:27 PM
2 votes:

Mock26: jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?

If that actually happens (they give the guns back) then that is great and all that.  But it still does not excuse their blatant disregard of the law where they entered the homes without a warrant (and I am pretty sure that in Canada they do need a warrant to enter someone's home in a situation like this.

Also, ask those residents in New Orleans how great it was when a lot of the guns that were secured from looters were never returned.


Posted earlier


Each province has their own act, but http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/E06P8.pdf <-- that, applies to Alberta.  Section 19(1)(h) is the relevant part:

"authorize the entry into any building or on any land,
without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan or program;
2013-06-28 08:08:37 PM
2 votes:

Mock26: jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?

If that actually happens (they give the guns back) then that is great and all that.  But it still does not excuse their blatant disregard of the law where they entered the homes without a warrant (and I am pretty sure that in Canada they do need a warrant to enter someone's home in a situation like this.

Also, ask those residents in New Orleans how great it was when a lot of the guns that were secured from looters were never returned.


Correction.  Turns out they had the authority, what with the declared state of emergency and all that.  But, do they have the authority to remove items such as the guns?
2013-06-28 07:56:57 PM
2 votes:
Some clarification on what the police say they were doing:

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-alberta . html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.

"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."
2013-06-28 07:51:28 PM
2 votes:

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


Yar.

It's really for the best that we don't have a bunch of empty houses full of guns just waiting for the looters to show up.

If someone steals your TV or XBOX... well, that sucks.  But they can't use it to commit MORE crimes.

If someone steals a whole bunch of weapons you were keeping under the bed for some damn reason, that's a public security threat, so putting the guns in storage until the evacuees can come claim them is reasonable.

And these guns wouldn't just stay in Calgary, they'd be in the rest of Canadian cities within weeks, to assist our idiot drug dealers in shooting each other over turf.
2013-06-28 07:49:14 PM
2 votes:

jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?


You're an idiot if that is what you feel. Idiot only in the sense that you lotted people upset about this as 'inbreds' who hate the government. I love the police. I love the government and I love everything society has brought me. What I do not trust, is the RCMP taking personal items of ANY KIND from my house or my neighbours house. To claim it was to prevent looters is naive on their part. Sure there are more important issues at play, but this is an emergency, and in emergencies you often see strange justifications for strange behaviour. I bet these guns were on racks on the walls, but made the police nervious. It's a silly thing and it shouldn't have happened. To be against this action is not to be against 'The government'. You sound like a nutter.
2013-06-28 07:42:33 PM
2 votes:

06Wahoo: FormlessOne: Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...

Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?

Funny how some people are okay with the idea that police can just go into their homes and take things that are considered "dangerous", oblivious to the high likelihood that other things may disappear and be blamed on looters (well, they would still be looters, they'd just also happen to carry badges).

I hope nothing like this ever happens in the US.  The police have no business in my home unless they have a warrant for a crime, and even then, they don't just get to take whatever they want.  If someone is going to loot anything from my house, I certainly don't want this problem to be doubled up by it being sanctioned by the government.


Ya, cause it's the protection from a warrantless search solely for safety reasons during a once in a century flood, that makes the US a bastion of glorious freedom versus our Orwell-like concentration camp we call Canada.  Other than the whole NSA thing, and the enemy combatant stuff, and the influence of religion in so many of your laws, etc., but hey, no cop is going to check for YOUR bloated corpse during a flood, no way!
2013-06-28 07:38:52 PM
2 votes:

JK47: FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).


Yeah, but that's their fault.

You see, there could be the possibility of looting, so it's up to law enforcement to break down your door and go through your prized possessions to minimize any possible damage.

Now, you might ask: "that's fine and dandy, but can't they make a note of where the guns came from to document their actions like all good law enforcement do"? That's a good question, now shut up.
2013-06-28 07:35:22 PM
2 votes:
TIL Canada also has guntards.

Idiots are more concerned police being in temporary posession of their firearms they didn't bother to take with them upon evacuation than some random looter breaking in and taking them. Does exposure to gunpowder cause an automatic drop in IQ?
2013-06-28 07:31:30 PM
2 votes:

joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.


Haha you missed have missed that whole Katrina thing where police went into people's homes and took their guns while the people were there.
Also you must have missed that whole Boston bomber thing where police invaded homes without warrants and tossed the people into the streets and told them to run.
2013-06-28 07:24:27 PM
2 votes:

Next week's Tom Sawyer: ongbok: joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.

They are. How do you think they find out if any one is dead or needs help inside of a home during an emergency?

That's called exigent circumstances and it requires more than a hunch.


Do you know how I know you're an American?  Hint: we have different laws...
2013-06-28 07:21:32 PM
2 votes:

joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.


Each province has their own act, but http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/E06P8.pdf <-- that, applies to Alberta.  Section 19(1)(h) is the relevant part:

"authorize the entry into any building or on any land,
without warrant, by any person in the course ofimplementing an emergency plan or program;

So there, yup, we're definitely not the same as the US...
2013-06-28 07:18:02 PM
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Well it depends.  If I could walk into the RCMP station and get my property immediately I would thank them for holding on to it and keeping it safe. If I could not do so I would lawyer up.


Would you thank them for breaking the locks on your doors and rummaging through your entire house? Or do Canadians leave their doors unlocked all the time and all their guns in a clear unlocked case right next to the front door?
2013-06-28 07:07:41 PM
2 votes:
Meh, trust your government. So many of them have such good track records.
2013-06-28 07:01:54 PM
2 votes:

YoOjo: Why are they not allowing them to go to their houses? Are there water-zombies in the area? Water-aliens? Water-SARS? What's the conspiracy? There must be one.


All that dampness makes it easy for mold and fungi to grow. If you've played The Last of Us, you know that this doesn't end well.
2013-06-28 07:01:45 PM
2 votes:

mtbhucker: Except there is no gun registration in Canada.


The guns may not be registered, but there's still a list of every person who has a license to own them.
2013-06-28 07:01:44 PM
2 votes:
"So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?"

How certain are you that they're not?

/double entendre
2013-06-28 07:00:39 PM
2 votes:
Silly Canadians. When told to evacuate, your guns are at the top of the list of things you grab, right behind your family, pets, mementos, and medicines.  If I have 5 minutes to evacuate, most of the guns stay.  If I have 30 minutes or more, the guns are coming with me.
2013-06-28 06:57:57 PM
2 votes:

Fizpez: How the fark are you supposed to provide proof of ownership of stuff like that?  I mean, maybe if you just bought the thing and can electronically get proof from your credit card, but other than that you are basically farked if they take a hard line on returning them.

How the hell could I prove I own by grandfathers shotgun... oh, I know IT WAS IN MY farkING HOUSE.


You could register it.

...Oh. Little double edged sword, huh?
2013-06-28 06:49:18 PM
2 votes:
Why are they not allowing them to go to their houses? Are there water-zombies in the area? Water-aliens? Water-SARS? What's the conspiracy? There must be one.
2013-06-28 06:38:11 PM
2 votes:
This is why you don't register your underground bunker.
2013-06-28 06:14:42 PM
2 votes:
The RCMP later stated that the weapons were needed for a firing squad (La GRC a déclaré plus tard que les armes étaient nécessaires pour un peloton d'exécution):
blogs.btedmonton.ca

/Obama Harper's gonna take away your guns!
//Obama Harper va enlever vos armes!
///might as well be bilingual for a Canada story...
2013-06-29 10:19:39 PM
1 votes:

sno man: Alleyoop: sno man: If the bozo's had kept their guns responsibly, as any gun owner should, they would still be where they left them.

Behind cop-proof steel doors?

as in a gun safe, yea, pretty much.


Sorry, that doesn't work. By the logic the cops are using (we busted into your locked house, and thus any guns you had were no longer locked up), they could well bust into your safe, then take the 'unsecured' guns from it.
2013-06-29 04:38:08 PM
1 votes:

redkingca: So it's been said a few times here, but for those who haven't actually read the article or paid any attention to the news of flooding in Alberta.

A) CANADA

B) There is a sate of emergency and people have been evacuated from the area for over 8 days due to flooding.


Then there's no one left to loot.

C) RCMP are going door to door in the evacuated areas looking for bodies. (And sadly they have found a few.) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

"ACCORDING TO THE RMCP..."

D) In a few homes, unsecured firearms were found. The RCMP are required by law to take custody of the firearms until they can be secured by their owners.

They WERE secure- they were in the owners house, which was (presumably) locked.

If the door is unlocked

Then the should have reached in, locked it, and closed it again. Voila- secured!

or the police had to break the lock to get in, guns on a rack or over the mantle are unsecured.

If the police burned open their gun safe- the guns in it were unsecured. See how dumb that sounds?

E) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

"ACCORDING TO THE RMCP..."

G) Even in Canada there is crime including looting.

Then maybe the RMCP should be on the lookout for looters, instead of breaking into peoples houses and taking stuff. Hey, wait a minute- isn't that the very definition of... looting?

H) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

"ACCORDING TO THE RMCP..."

You seem to put a lot of trust in the words of the police.
2013-06-29 03:51:54 PM
1 votes:

al's hat: Xcott: al's hat: That wasn't the case here. They didn't break into houses looking for people who might be trapped or need assistance. They broke into empty houses to remove the guns.

I don't think you understand the concept of looking for people who might be trapped:  they can't tell if the house is empty until they go in to check.

It's not like a dead body is going to answer the door, or be searchable on Google Maps.

I understand the concept of looking for people who might be trapped.  I don't understand taking the time to haul guns away instead of moving quickly to the next house to continue looking for people who might be trapped.


The idea of an empty, now-unlocked-because-someone-smashed-the-door-in house with insecure guns inside is hard to grasp?  If the RCMP leave insecure guns in a house with a door that won't lock, they are committing a crime. They have to secure the weapons. They do not have an option here.
2013-06-29 01:34:58 AM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...

Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


You might have read about cops in New Orleans who did the same thing during Katrina and how some of those people still don't have their guns back.

If the RCMP is really not up to no good, the will immediately hand over the guns to their owners when they show up to claim them.
2013-06-29 12:01:03 AM
1 votes:

redkingca: D) In a few homes, unsecured firearms were found.


"But as they're talking about those plans, newshounds pose puzzlers about the RCMP seizing at least several hundred guns out of people's homes after they'd been evacuated. "
2013-06-28 10:31:21 PM
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: You don't see a problem with me having to lock my shiat in a safe in my own ducking house in order to stop the police from stealing it? You dumb twat


The law says the gun needs to be locked in a gun safe or have a trigger lock or be otherwise disabled. Lame yes but trigger locks are what -- 10 bucks at crapntire?

And you dont need a permit to move your guns if they aren't restricted. They just have to travel with a lock on and stay out of view. You do NOT need a permit to move your rifle. You could have a sawed off (barrel as long as the stock) under your truck seat as long as it was unloaded and locked out.
2013-06-28 10:16:31 PM
1 votes:

thoughtless: JK47: FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).

It's almost like they took note of the house they found it in when they did their inventory. Might be a little easier to prove you own/were renting one of those.


You know that won't be sufficient. Living in a home is not proof that you own something in that home.
2013-06-28 09:45:17 PM
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: mtbhucker: Except there is no gun registration in Canada.

The guns may not be registered, but there's still a list of every person who has a license to own them.




Depends how old you are. Tons of people own guns who passed the test in the 60s and all you needed was a piece of paper. Most of those records are gone. Also in our family there are many guns handed down for generations - no one had a permit, it was just great grandmother's gun she brought over from wherever. Lots of guns from the war as well.
2013-06-28 09:43:34 PM
1 votes:
Why exactly am I responsible for "safely and securely" storing my guns (whatever that means) if I don't have children around?
2013-06-28 09:41:53 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?


You don't see a problem with me having to lock my shiat in a safe in my own ducking house in order to stop the police from stealing it? You dumb twat
2013-06-28 09:36:23 PM
1 votes:
The police are absolutely allowed to enter your house during an emergency. Any emergency worker can expecially if a forced evacuation is going on. They can arrest your ass just for staying. I'mean -- they dont want to but they do have the ability...

Guns -- even if legally owned -- must be stored properly. They should have the pin taken out or a trigger/bag lock on and be seperate from the ammo. Not a crazy or hard to comply with rule.

Now haveng grown up in the Peace River area i know how most people store their guns... And while most are pretty good about it there are always a few families that leave the rifle on the top shelf of the entryway closet with a box of ammo. Or in the garage with no locks on anything. Its not necessarily dangerous but it gives the cops an excuse to take your shiat.

There is i believe an exception for .22s -- that you can have one unloaded by the door and ammo close by as long as you live on a farm... (goddamn coyotes will come right up and eat your cats)

If you dont want the RCMP takeing your gun then dont ever admit to owning a gun and keep them out of sight unless you are using them. The PAL gives them a good list of houses to check on extra hard during an emergency so keep that shiat well documented in your personal files. Dont ever register a gun.

Registering that you have a gun is pretty much giving the cops free reign to walk into your house without permission or notice.

I have had a few run ins with the Yar see em pee and most of them were pretty friggin nice guys. A few were kind of prickish and one was downright nasty and suffering from small man syndrome but lots of good fellows on the force too. Most of them want to be heros not douche bags. The rule for dealing with cops is be polite and dont give them cause to bust your ass. They dont want to spend all night writing reports and paperwork and you dont want to go to jail. Make it easy for them to tell you to move along or go home. If they open your door to check if any one is home during an evacuation and you have an improperly stored gun just sitting in plain sight then yeah your gonna have a bad time. You are making it easy for them to screw you. Keep your shiat out of sight.
2013-06-28 09:31:13 PM
1 votes:

runescorpio: Never dealt with the rcmp taking guns and searching homes for safety have you. Try getting them back. Aint happenin.


So this happens to you a lot. That sounds interesting. Please share the details.
2013-06-28 09:21:54 PM
1 votes:

Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.

They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.


The Vitter amendment to the Homeland Security funding act made this illegal. Granted, it was after the fact, but you now have some legal standing.
2013-06-28 09:09:08 PM
1 votes:
They took the guns but left other valuables behind. jewelry, electronics, etc. So really who they helping?
2013-06-28 09:06:29 PM
1 votes:

YouSirAreAMaroon: gaspode: Do you dumb chucklefarks not even realise they just moved the guns, which were left in empty properties, to a secure location to stop looters taking them, and are going to return them all to the owners?

Its common farking sense not confiscation.

Who was going to take then, beavers? The town was evacuated and the police are guarding the perimeter.


It's not exactly difficult to get into High River for someone who is from the area and is a miscreant. Also, 300 or so people were known to have defied the evacuation order, 40 or so of whom needed to be rescued afterwards. And I'd be willing to put money on some of the idiots who live there and like to harass tourists (was there a few years ago for a family reunion, stayed in a campground and each night we were there someone was on the phone with the cops about idiot teenagers trying to steal things from the campground) at least trying to stay behind to loot from the houses they knew had the best stuff.

/Would also be willing to put money on the cops personally escorting some of those idiots out of town, as the cops knew who the kids were simply based on a description like "Short dark hair. Big leather jacket - not long, just looks like it's full of football padding." and "Girl wearing really tight clothing and cowboy boots."
//Well.. maybe not THAT much money, as said idiots were seen several nights in a row, so whatever the cops did was useless.
2013-06-28 08:54:27 PM
1 votes:

gaspode: Do you dumb chucklefarks not even realise they just moved the guns, which were left in empty properties, to a secure location to stop looters taking them, and are going to return them all to the owners?

Its common farking sense not confiscation.


Who was going to take then, beavers? The town was evacuated and the police are guarding the perimeter.
2013-06-28 08:46:41 PM
1 votes:
sno man:
LisaNeedsBraces: sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.

Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.

I suspect your friend is leaving out a detail or two, but if not he should file a complaint and get a lawyer to write a letter.


I suspect he pulled the whole anecdote out of his ass piecemeal, but hey, you might be right.
2013-06-28 08:43:50 PM
1 votes:

big pig peaches: Who the heck evaluates and doesn't bring their guns? How little time did they have?


You need a permit to carry a weapon from one place to another.

The use of a federal police force to enter people's homes and seize weapons that may not be there, may not be stored correctly and probably won't be used to commit a crime because the houses are within a secure area controlled by that same police force is farcical. Paulson's going to get his ass kicked.
2013-06-28 08:38:25 PM
1 votes:
Noctusxx:
And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


If there's a registry, you dumb bag of feathers, then the government KNOWS it's your gun.  Sheesh.  Americans.
2013-06-28 08:36:35 PM
1 votes:

ongbok: Mock26: jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?

If that actually happens (they give the guns back) then that is great and all that.  But it still does not excuse their blatant disregard of the law where they entered the homes without a warrant (and I am pretty sure that in Canada they do need a warrant to enter someone's home in a situation like this.

Also, ask those residents in New Orleans how great it was when a lot of the guns that were secured from looters were never returned.

Posted earlier


Each province has their own act, but http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/E06P8.pdf <-- that, applies to Alberta.  Section 19(1)(h) is the relevant part:

"authorize the entry into any building or on any land,
without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan or program;


But does that include seizure of property?
2013-06-28 08:35:57 PM
1 votes:

sno man: LisaNeedsBraces: sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.

Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.

I suspect your friend is leaving out a detail or two, but if not he should file a complaint and get a lawyer to write a letter.


Yeah I really find that hard to believe in Western Canada.  Even if it did happen the mere threat of a lawsuit would likely result in his guns being returned.

FormlessOne: Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...

Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Cut them some slack, if they didn't have something to be outraged about they might have to go out and actually learn about the real world..
2013-06-28 08:26:01 PM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: mike_the_engineer: If you want to steal my guns, you better bring a forklift.

[www.movingsimplified.com image 561x999]


I wonder how many people who have one of those picked 1-7-7-6 as the combination?


The name is what struck me. "Warrior" indeed...
2013-06-28 08:20:27 PM
1 votes:

Bravo Two: utah dude: Farktastic: utah dude: uh... how would they find them? (if they're raiding houses and what-not? tear apart each and every person's closet? please explain this.

The RCMP entered every home to ensure that the evacuation is done.  High River (the town in question) is basically the town where urban rednecks go to live.  There is a huge amount of 4x4ing, horse riding, Git 'er Dun, shoot 'em up yokels that live there.  Guns are everywhere, like hanging on living room walls, sitting in garages, etc.  I am surprised that some guns might have actually been stored properly.

farktastic, fantastic explanation. thank you.

my have chamber locks and are too oiled up to even barely shoot, would probably not even rust underwater.

Excuse me, but you say redneck and git r done like its a bad thing to be. I'm a redneck, ride and keep horses, 4x4, and enjoy nature. I'm also college educated and don't fark my kinfolk. Kindly keep your bigotry to yourself, some of us find it farking offensive.


Good for you, I'm an outdoorsman too.  I described the "flavour" of the town and don't believe I judged anyone by reporting any other distasteful behaviors other than improperly storing weapons.  If you like leaving weapons lying around your house so much that the cops need to take them for safe keeping during an evacuation, I will be sure to lump you in with the rest of the idiots who would do this.

/respect your tools
2013-06-28 08:12:48 PM
1 votes:

Bravo Two: Any way we can convince you to let those kids rest in peace and make a clear, cogent argument that doesn't involve whoring out the emotional pain of their deaths?


How dare the gun-grabbers mention those dear, dear children. Clearly those dead kids belong to the gun community.

/ Cuz the gun community made them dead
2013-06-28 08:06:46 PM
1 votes:

Bravo Two: PopularFront: Some clarification on what the police say they were doing:

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-alberta . html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.

"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."

And this is the crux of the argument: the firearms were in my home until the cops came busting down the door for no good farking reason.


They had a good reason to come into your home if your were in the evacuation zone, and that was to see if there were any victims from the flood or people in need of help.
2013-06-28 08:05:26 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?


If that actually happens (they give the guns back) then that is great and all that.  But it still does not excuse their blatant disregard of the law where they entered the homes without a warrant (and I am pretty sure that in Canada they do need a warrant to enter someone's home in a situation like this.

Also, ask those residents in New Orleans how great it was when a lot of the guns that were secured from looters were never returned.
2013-06-28 08:04:52 PM
1 votes:

PopularFront: Some clarification on what the police say they were doing:

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-alberta . html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.

"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."


And this is the crux of the argument: the firearms were in my home until the cops came busting down the door for no good farking reason.
2013-06-28 08:01:24 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


The guns are in the hands of looters.
2013-06-28 07:57:29 PM
1 votes:

Farktastic: utah dude: uh... how would they find them? (if they're raiding houses and what-not? tear apart each and every person's closet? please explain this.

The RCMP entered every home to ensure that the evacuation is done.  High River (the town in question) is basically the town where urban rednecks go to live.  There is a huge amount of 4x4ing, horse riding, Git 'er Dun, shoot 'em up yokels that live there.  Guns are everywhere, like hanging on living room walls, sitting in garages, etc.  I am surprised that some guns might have actually been stored properly.


farktastic, fantastic explanation. thank you.

my have chamber locks and are too oiled up to even barely shoot, would probably not even rust underwater.
2013-06-28 07:49:21 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


That's just how they do fascism in Canada.  The jack-booted thugs knock down on your door, seize your property with a receipt and a "sorry we missed you" note to rescue it from flood damage and theft, disarm you with polite remarks, and shut down all dissent by engaging in a deliberative process where everyone is encouraged to voice his or her concerns.

It's like Orwell said:  if you want a vision of the Canadian future, imagine a boot stamping down a flight of basement stairs to rescue a kitten, forever.
2013-06-28 07:43:21 PM
1 votes:
"The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it's going to be. We'll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we've got an incompetent government."

Last time I checked it was a CONSERVATIVE government in power in Canada.
And guess who helped put them in power in the first place?
Good old rural ALBERTA (Canada's Texas!)

Nice to be hoist by your own petard.
2013-06-28 07:25:03 PM
1 votes:

LisaNeedsBraces: sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.

Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.


I suspect your friend is leaving out a detail or two, but if not he should file a complaint and get a lawyer to write a letter.
2013-06-28 07:23:52 PM
1 votes:
Does Canada have something similar to our National Guard? If so, then they should have been called up to block off and patrol the flooded areas so there wouldn't be any looters. That seems like it would be a lot easier to do than searching every house.
2013-06-28 07:16:50 PM
1 votes:
Oh, yes, we had to smash your locked gun cabinets to get them, as you'll find out when you return to your houses, all of which we had to break into whether you had guns or not, to find out.
2013-06-28 07:15:37 PM
1 votes:
This is what organized crime looks like.
2013-06-28 07:15:33 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?


I imagine the safe companies have some sort of law enforcement hotline to give out combinations, or just an alternate code for the digital ones.
2013-06-28 07:13:18 PM
1 votes:
If you want to steal my guns, you better bring a forklift.

www.movingsimplified.com
2013-06-28 07:11:45 PM
1 votes:

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?
2013-06-28 07:08:46 PM
1 votes:

Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...


Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?
2013-06-28 07:03:18 PM
1 votes:
Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...
2013-06-28 07:02:36 PM
1 votes:

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: In before misplaced 2nd amendment post/troll.


I'm in favor of reasonable gun control, but anybody who is sincere about the issue has to see this scenario as a particularly good argument against it.
2013-06-28 07:01:06 PM
1 votes:

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


This.

If they didn't do this and those guns were stolen by looters and started turning up at crime scenes, the same people that are screaming about them doing this would be screaming about them letting looters take them.
2013-06-28 07:00:46 PM
1 votes:
So, theft.
2013-06-28 07:00:20 PM
1 votes:

foo monkey: Canadians have guns?


They used to.
2013-06-28 06:59:51 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Fizpez: How the fark are you supposed to provide proof of ownership of stuff like that?  I mean, maybe if you just bought the thing and can electronically get proof from your credit card, but other than that you are basically farked if they take a hard line on returning them.

How the hell could I prove I own by grandfathers shotgun... oh, I know IT WAS IN MY farkING HOUSE.

You could register it.

...Oh. Little double edged sword, huh?


There is no registry.
2013-06-28 06:55:25 PM
1 votes:
Well it depends.  If I could walk into the RCMP station and get my property immediately I would thank them for holding on to it and keeping it safe. If I could not do so I would lawyer up.
2013-06-28 06:55:04 PM
1 votes:

foo monkey: Canadians have guns?


Those moose ain't gonna shoot themselves...
2013-06-28 06:54:28 PM
1 votes:

foo monkey: Canadians have guns?


From a Vancouver, BC gun store's website:

www.reliablegun.com

You'll notice they even have *Gasp* assault rifles in Canada!
2013-06-28 06:54:19 PM
1 votes:
RCMP looting homes you say? Seem to remember something about the Okanagan fire west of Kelowna BC where people had electronics stolen during the RCMP lockdown of neighborhoods.
Of course they did blame it on kids with noisy dirtbikes driving through the fire to steal stuff. Good enuf excuse to the morons.

/The Canadian gun registry is/was/still a violation of the Charter[Constitution].
//Register your gun and automatically lose your Right to not be searched without evidence of criminal activity.
///Knock Knock. Who's there? Police. Police who? Police who are coming in to search without warrants, since you registered your gun and we will beat you if you try to deny us.
2013-06-28 06:53:18 PM
1 votes:

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: In before misplaced 2nd amendment post/troll.


Check the TFA. Much like the Yukon, the Canadians beat ya to it.
2013-06-28 06:50:35 PM
1 votes:
I can't help but think that if the guns were properly stored and locked up, people couldn't just take them.

But maybe the towns people have a point. Maybe guns should just be left lying around after a major disaster. That's a great idea.
2013-06-28 06:47:53 PM
1 votes:

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


This
2013-06-28 06:45:56 PM
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Residents not being allowed back in and weapons have been confiscated? Sounds like the beginning of a apocalypse-style movie.
2013-06-28 06:38:26 PM
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We need a photoshop of Lootie with a bucket full of rifles to put this story in perspective. I got stuck watching "Sons of Guns" last night and it showed how they had a staff member sleep in the building during a hurricane to protect them from looters.
2013-06-28 06:36:01 PM
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Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.
2013-06-28 05:36:00 PM
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Where are the horses?
 
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