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(National Post)   RCMP: Sorry about the floods. No, you can't go back to your homes. Oh yeah, we raided your houses and took your guns. Have a nice day, eh   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 282
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2013-06-28 09:09:08 PM
They took the guns but left other valuables behind. jewelry, electronics, etc. So really who they helping?
 
2013-06-28 09:13:53 PM

Voiceofreason01: fnordfocus:
Just as an example, Browning's safes accept a "master reset code" that they'll provide to an owner if Law Enforcement requests it.  You think they won't give it straight to a LEO who calls up?

It does not say that they'll turn the reset code over to law enforcement just that they'll let law enforcement vouch for your identity. You're being paranoid.


First off, Officers lie.

Second, what the fark do you think would happen to a rep who didn't hand over the code when an Officer called?

If there's a backdoor, it's naive to think that the cops don't have and use it.  For example, Master Lock publishes a book for Law Enforcement and school administrators that has all of their combinations listed by serial numbers.
 
2013-06-28 09:16:11 PM

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


A piece of trivia for you. Obama's only senate vote on gun control was in favor of the law that made it illegal for any government agency to do this.
 
2013-06-28 09:18:49 PM
Thanks a lot Snobama!
 
2013-06-28 09:21:54 PM

Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.

They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.


The Vitter amendment to the Homeland Security funding act made this illegal. Granted, it was after the fact, but you now have some legal standing.
 
2013-06-28 09:21:58 PM

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


Looters?  Not unless they are close the the U.S. border.
 
2013-06-28 09:22:56 PM

pete1729: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

A piece of trivia for you. Obama's only senate vote on gun control was in favor of the law that made it illegal for any government agency to do this.


Bbbbut 0bummers tryin to grab yer guns!
 
2013-06-28 09:27:57 PM

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


Never dealt with the rcmp taking guns and searching homes for safety have you. Try getting them back. Aint happenin.
Looters are better as they are at least honest. Oh btw ever wonder how they leave your home after?
Think they remembered to close the doors to keep out wildlife?
 
2013-06-28 09:31:13 PM

runescorpio: Never dealt with the rcmp taking guns and searching homes for safety have you. Try getting them back. Aint happenin.


So this happens to you a lot. That sounds interesting. Please share the details.
 
2013-06-28 09:33:18 PM
That will teach you to leave your weapons behind.
 
2013-06-28 09:34:22 PM

Abner Doon: They apparently forced their way in (otherwise how did they get in at all?).  Want to bet they didn't have a 100% record on the "guess if this house has a gun we need to seize" game?  So, how pissed would you be if they broke into your home for no reason, looking for a gun that doesn't exist?  Or broke in and found a gun that was properly stored and safe from reasonably equipped looters?


Most likely a lot more than the guns will be found missing.
The government will blame the flood. The flood selectively removed jewelry and electronics from the second floor.. floods work funny that way.

Basically, it's government showing its true nature, taking advantage of any excuse to steal from the people. Just look at the premise they make for all the fark gun haters and government lovers. It's ridiculous. The guns aren't going to magically become animated and leave their safes, closets, and sock drawers. The police have everyone kicked out of the town and won't let them back in.... they just wanted to steal. Probably for themselves. Most everything will turn up missing.... Officer Dan: sorry Mr. Smith we didn't find the guns in your house, someone else must have taken them. Shame about your wife's jewelry. Meanwhile Mrs. officer Dan wonders in to meet her husband for lunch wearing some familiar looking jewelry... No Mr. Smith, we bought that 15 years ago....
 
2013-06-28 09:34:40 PM
LEO have had one consistent aspect for the last 60 years.  "We get to f*ck over who we please and you can't do sh*t about it."  Why do you think cops take such a sh*tty, repetitive job for 60k a year?  The fringe benefits is a license to trip over your dick and do as you please.  It's like the mafia with radios and badges.
 
2013-06-28 09:36:23 PM
The police are absolutely allowed to enter your house during an emergency. Any emergency worker can expecially if a forced evacuation is going on. They can arrest your ass just for staying. I'mean -- they dont want to but they do have the ability...

Guns -- even if legally owned -- must be stored properly. They should have the pin taken out or a trigger/bag lock on and be seperate from the ammo. Not a crazy or hard to comply with rule.

Now haveng grown up in the Peace River area i know how most people store their guns... And while most are pretty good about it there are always a few families that leave the rifle on the top shelf of the entryway closet with a box of ammo. Or in the garage with no locks on anything. Its not necessarily dangerous but it gives the cops an excuse to take your shiat.

There is i believe an exception for .22s -- that you can have one unloaded by the door and ammo close by as long as you live on a farm... (goddamn coyotes will come right up and eat your cats)

If you dont want the RCMP takeing your gun then dont ever admit to owning a gun and keep them out of sight unless you are using them. The PAL gives them a good list of houses to check on extra hard during an emergency so keep that shiat well documented in your personal files. Dont ever register a gun.

Registering that you have a gun is pretty much giving the cops free reign to walk into your house without permission or notice.

I have had a few run ins with the Yar see em pee and most of them were pretty friggin nice guys. A few were kind of prickish and one was downright nasty and suffering from small man syndrome but lots of good fellows on the force too. Most of them want to be heros not douche bags. The rule for dealing with cops is be polite and dont give them cause to bust your ass. They dont want to spend all night writing reports and paperwork and you dont want to go to jail. Make it easy for them to tell you to move along or go home. If they open your door to check if any one is home during an evacuation and you have an improperly stored gun just sitting in plain sight then yeah your gonna have a bad time. You are making it easy for them to screw you. Keep your shiat out of sight.
 
2013-06-28 09:36:38 PM

mtbhucker: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

Except there is no gun registration in Canada.  The bill got struck down, and the RCMP have been throwing little fits ever since.  This would qualify as a big fit.


Lets rephrase then, this is what happens when you vote liberals in to office
 
2013-06-28 09:41:53 PM

Voiceofreason01: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?


You don't see a problem with me having to lock my shiat in a safe in my own ducking house in order to stop the police from stealing it? You dumb twat
 
2013-06-28 09:43:34 PM
Why exactly am I responsible for "safely and securely" storing my guns (whatever that means) if I don't have children around?
 
2013-06-28 09:45:17 PM

Ivo Shandor: mtbhucker: Except there is no gun registration in Canada.

The guns may not be registered, but there's still a list of every person who has a license to own them.




Depends how old you are. Tons of people own guns who passed the test in the 60s and all you needed was a piece of paper. Most of those records are gone. Also in our family there are many guns handed down for generations - no one had a permit, it was just great grandmother's gun she brought over from wherever. Lots of guns from the war as well.
 
2013-06-28 09:49:38 PM

Gdalescrboz: mtbhucker: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

Except there is no gun registration in Canada.  The bill got struck down, and the RCMP have been throwing little fits ever since.  This would qualify as a big fit.

Lets rephrase then, this is what happens when you vote liberals in to office


Liberals like Harper?  Or Redford?
 
2013-06-28 09:50:18 PM

Acharne: thoughtless: Acharne: I dislike Harper, but I appreciate that he stepped in and told them to give the guns back. This, in my minority opinion in my circle of friends, was uncool of the RCMP to do.

Also, there is a little much posting from people who don't understand our gun laws.

Did Harper actually get involved? The article is scarce on this detail.

Yes he did. Here is a different article:

"Give them back their guns"


Hopefully they will be returned immediately with minimal paperwork required. However, the article contradicted itself:

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.

vs

At a press conference Friday in High River held by provincial and municipal officials, RCMP Insp. Gerrett Woolsey told reporters several hundred guns had been seized as officers inspected every home they could enter over a period of several days.

Yea, I'm not holding my breath for the right thing to be done.
 
2013-06-28 09:50:41 PM

Flakeloaf: THEY DID NOT GO TO HOUSES LOOKING FOR GUNS.
THEY DID NOT USE THE GUN REGISTRY TO LOOK FOR HOUSES WITH GUNS TO GO TO.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-albert a. html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.
"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."

Chicken, keep farking etc.


So now my home is considered a non secure place? are my kids next since they apparently dont live in a secure place? I guess when police are free to busy in all willy nilly and claim shiat isn't secure and take it, and blow jobs like you think it's ok, then ya, I guess my home is no longer secure
 
2013-06-28 09:52:36 PM

sno man: Gdalescrboz: mtbhucker: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

Except there is no gun registration in Canada.  The bill got struck down, and the RCMP have been throwing little fits ever since.  This would qualify as a big fit.

Lets rephrase then, this is what happens when you vote liberals in to office

Liberals like Harper?  Or Redford?


They are Canadian aren't they?
 
2013-06-28 10:04:00 PM

Bravo Two: foo monkey: Canadians have guns?

From a Vancouver, BC gun store's website:

[www.reliablegun.com image 623x276]

You'll notice they even have *Gasp* assault rifles in Canada!


The assault weapons are for taking out the moose.
 
2013-06-28 10:11:26 PM

Flakeloaf: THEY DID NOT GO TO HOUSES LOOKING FOR GUNS.
THEY DID NOT USE THE GUN REGISTRY TO LOOK FOR HOUSES WITH GUNS TO GO TO.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-albert a. html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.
"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."

Chicken, keep farking etc.

Continuing on....

At a press conference Friday in High River held by provincial and municipal officials, RCMP Insp. Gerrett Woolsey told reporters several hundred guns had been seized as officers inspected every home they could enter over a period of several days.
 
2013-06-28 10:16:31 PM

thoughtless: JK47: FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).

It's almost like they took note of the house they found it in when they did their inventory. Might be a little easier to prove you own/were renting one of those.


You know that won't be sufficient. Living in a home is not proof that you own something in that home.
 
2013-06-28 10:20:06 PM

ongbok: Bravo Two: PopularFront: Some clarification on what the police say they were doing:

From: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/28/pol-pmo-guns-alberta . html

"When RCMP officers were going door-to-door searching each residence for potential victims, we did come across a couple of residences where there were some firearms that were left insecure," Cpl. Darrin Turnbull told CBC News in an interview.

"In those situations, when they were out in plain view and they were not properly secured and stored, those firearms were taken by the RCMP member and safely secured in the High River detachment."

And this is the crux of the argument: the firearms were in my home until the cops came busting down the door for no good farking reason.

They had a good reason to come into your home if your were in the evacuation zone, and that was to see if there were any victims from the flood or people in need of help.


Just like the TSA has a good reason to xray scan you and accidentally find drugs. it is about safety.
 
2013-06-28 10:28:06 PM
They'll be able to justify it when they say X number nondescript gun crimes solved.
 
2013-06-28 10:31:21 PM

Gdalescrboz: You don't see a problem with me having to lock my shiat in a safe in my own ducking house in order to stop the police from stealing it? You dumb twat


The law says the gun needs to be locked in a gun safe or have a trigger lock or be otherwise disabled. Lame yes but trigger locks are what -- 10 bucks at crapntire?

And you dont need a permit to move your guns if they aren't restricted. They just have to travel with a lock on and stay out of view. You do NOT need a permit to move your rifle. You could have a sawed off (barrel as long as the stock) under your truck seat as long as it was unloaded and locked out.
 
2013-06-28 10:33:38 PM

sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.


Actually, yes, yes this. Very much this.
Founding fathers would not even recognize the laws we have now. Canada? They even have founding fathers, or just a bunch of drunk trappers?
 
2013-06-28 10:44:02 PM
The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.


see they're just making sure actual looters didn't get their hands on them. they're keeping them safe from thieves.
 
2013-06-28 10:46:21 PM

big pig peaches: Who the heck evaluates and doesn't bring their guns? How little time did they have?




Gun-free shelter?
 
2013-06-28 10:54:53 PM
Thunderpipes:Founding fathers would not even recognize the laws we have now. Canada? They even have founding fathers, or just a bunch of drunk trappers?

They might have a hard time with your flat screen and cell phone too.  Times change.
Raise one for the Drunk Trappers this Canada Day weekend!
 
2013-06-28 10:56:05 PM
None of my guns are registered. Problem solved.
 
2013-06-28 11:03:18 PM
Oh look, Americans are still here posting as if they have any understanding of Canadian law.

leadmetal:
Most likely a lot more than the guns will be found missing.

Wow, it's easy to argue about imaginary scenarios you have made up in your own head.  "More than likely" your mother is currently under my desk gargling my schwanzstucker.  Yet I can't feel it, I wonder why?
 
2013-06-28 11:06:26 PM

swfan: Silly Canadians. When told to evacuate, your guns are at the top of the list of things you grab, right behind your family, pets, mementos, and medicines.  If I have 5 minutes to evacuate, most of the guns stay.  If I have 30 minutes or more, the guns are coming with me.


I'd take my guns, and go take the stuff that some dum dum spent 15 minutes grabbing all the food and water he could.   then I have my guns, AND food.
 
2013-06-28 11:06:58 PM

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


No mention of looters in the article. To whit, let me pull all your teeth to prevent you from getting cavities.
 
2013-06-28 11:12:29 PM

YoOjo: Why are they not allowing them to go to their houses? Are there water-zombies in the area? Water-aliens? Water-SARS? What's the conspiracy? There must be one.


I think they dont want 500 people going back into town and the hardware store is not open and thus, people might break in.
I would think they could just post one patrol, though, to prevent that.
 
2013-06-28 11:16:35 PM

SwiftFox: Oh, yes, we had to smash your locked gun cabinets to get them, as you'll find out when you return to your houses, all of which we had to break into whether you had guns or not, to find out.


I imagine they just knowcked loudly on normal doors.. but gun owner houses, they busted in, just to make sure you didnt leave a gun on the toilet or sink or something for some toddler to find... in your locked house.
 
2013-06-28 11:34:00 PM

No Such Agency: Oh look, Americans are still here posting as if they have any understanding of Canadian law.


The law is irrelevent if people disagree with it.

No Such Agency: "More than likely" your mother is currently under my desk gargling my schwanzstucker.  Yet I can't feel it, I wonder why?


They don't call you "Tiny Tim" for nothing.
 
Ral
2013-06-28 11:45:14 PM

ModernLuddite: I can't help but think that if the guns were properly stored and locked up, people couldn't just take them.


Indeed.  If the police (or anyone) came into our house, they wouldn't be able to get our guns, because we properly store them in a safe that weighs close to a ton and is bolted to the foundation.
 
2013-06-28 11:45:20 PM
Bravo Two

foo monkey: Canadians have guns? From a Vancouver, BC gun store's website:

www.reliablegun.com

You'll notice they even have *Gasp* assault rifles in Canada!


Niiiiiice.

/Still looking for a phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
 
2013-06-28 11:47:38 PM
So it's been said a few times here, but for those who haven't actually read the article or paid any attention to the news of flooding in Alberta.

A) CANADA

B) There is a sate of emergency and people have been evacuated from the area for over 8 days due to flooding.

C) RCMP are going door to door in the evacuated areas looking for bodies. (And sadly they have found a few.) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

D) In a few homes, unsecured firearms were found. The RCMP are required by law to take custody of the firearms until they can be secured by their owners. Just the same as if the gun was found in the street. People have been out of their homes for 8 days now and no one knows when people will be allowed back into the area. If the door is unlocked or the police had to break the lock to get in, guns on a rack or over the mantle are unsecured.

E) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.

F) The National Post's view is that all guns are bad, and any number greater than zero is a "substantial' number of firearms". So if you actually read what little they wrote, sort of think of them as the Canadian equivalent of USA Today.

G) Even in Canada there is crime including looting.

H) The RCMP did not enter homes looking for guns.
 
2013-06-28 11:50:34 PM

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


Don't bring level headed thought and logic into this. We've gone to Derp Speed Plaid, and nothing can stop us now!
 
2013-06-28 11:54:34 PM
Man On Pink Corner:

Give me a gallon of gasoline and a couple of bike locks, and I'll give you 20 and then some.

I've got marshmellows and graham crackers
 
2013-06-29 12:01:03 AM

redkingca: D) In a few homes, unsecured firearms were found.


"But as they're talking about those plans, newshounds pose puzzlers about the RCMP seizing at least several hundred guns out of people's homes after they'd been evacuated. "
 
2013-06-29 12:03:02 AM

LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?


I would think that if law enforcement has enough resources to go house by house, break in forcibly, search the house, and remove the owners' guns that they have enough resources to prevent almost all looting.
 
2013-06-29 12:10:18 AM

al's hat: LordJiro: So instead, these people would prefer their firearms be in the hands of looters?

I would think that if law enforcement has enough resources to go house by house, break in forcibly, search the house, and remove the owners' guns that they have enough resources to prevent almost all looting.


You're absolutely joking, right?

House to house searches are conducted to ensure no threats to life remain. They're not done to protect property.
 
2013-06-29 12:11:13 AM
TheWizard:
You know that won't be sufficient. Living in a home is not proof that you own something in that home.

Maybe the mounties respond to growing political pressure and the unusual disaster situation and decide not to be dicks about it? I'm reaching I know.
 
2013-06-29 12:12:42 AM
I had never considered until now that a bike lock would work on a person.

That's a great hack.
 
2013-06-29 12:12:50 AM

omeganuepsilon: No Such Agency: Oh look, Americans are still here posting as if they have any understanding of Canadian law.

The law is irrelevent if people disagree with it.


Canadian law isn't irrelevent(sic) because American plebs disagree with it. No matter how special your mommy told you you are.
 
2013-06-29 12:22:24 AM

hardinparamedic: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

Don't bring level headed thought and logic into this. We've gone to Derp Speed Plaid, and nothing can stop us now!


I don't think a looter would pass on a gun just because it had a trigger lock on it.
 
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