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(National Post)   RCMP: Sorry about the floods. No, you can't go back to your homes. Oh yeah, we raided your houses and took your guns. Have a nice day, eh   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 282
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2013-06-28 07:05:50 PM
That's the dumbest bit of inflammatory journalism I've seen.

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


This, basically. The RCMP did what they're supposed to do - ensure the safety of citizens.

Also, the article doesn't say "...and the RCMP isn't going to give them back", now, does it? No. I'm sure that, once citizens come back, the RCMP will return those items once proof of residency is established (after all, the RCMP needs to give the guns back to the proper owners.)
 
2013-06-28 07:06:34 PM

Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.

They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.


Shiat like this is exactly why some people defy evacuation orders.   Hell, defying evacuation orders now seems like an idea that is very much worth considering.
 
2013-06-28 07:07:41 PM
Meh, trust your government. So many of them have such good track records.
 
2013-06-28 07:08:11 PM
How dare they go around violating my 2nd amendment rights like that!

Wait, what's that? Oh. Nevermind.
 
2013-06-28 07:08:46 PM

Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...


Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?
 
2013-06-28 07:09:24 PM

sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.


Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.
 
2013-06-28 07:10:51 PM

jehovahs witness protection: This is why you don't register your underground bunker.


Flooding and underground bunkers... sounds like a great combination.
 
2013-06-28 07:11:45 PM

Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.


If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?
 
2013-06-28 07:13:18 PM
If you want to steal my guns, you better bring a forklift.

www.movingsimplified.com
 
2013-06-28 07:14:37 PM

ongbok: joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.

They are. How do you think they find out if any one is dead or needs help inside of a home during an emergency?


That's called exigent circumstances and it requires more than a hunch.
 
2013-06-28 07:15:33 PM

Voiceofreason01: If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?


I imagine the safe companies have some sort of law enforcement hotline to give out combinations, or just an alternate code for the digital ones.
 
2013-06-28 07:15:37 PM
This is what organized crime looks like.
 
2013-06-28 07:16:50 PM
Oh, yes, we had to smash your locked gun cabinets to get them, as you'll find out when you return to your houses, all of which we had to break into whether you had guns or not, to find out.
 
2013-06-28 07:18:02 PM

Egoy3k: Well it depends.  If I could walk into the RCMP station and get my property immediately I would thank them for holding on to it and keeping it safe. If I could not do so I would lawyer up.


Would you thank them for breaking the locks on your doors and rummaging through your entire house? Or do Canadians leave their doors unlocked all the time and all their guns in a clear unlocked case right next to the front door?
 
2013-06-28 07:18:20 PM

joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.


Translation: "I have no clue what I'm talking about, but I'm going to make assumptions that cater to my own personal prejudices and allow me to get appropriately butthurt."
 
2013-06-28 07:18:33 PM

fnordfocus: Voiceofreason01: If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?

I imagine the safe companies have some sort of law enforcement hotline to give out combinations, or just an alternate code for the digital ones.


I imagine that you have an impressive collection of aluminum foil hats.
 
2013-06-28 07:20:33 PM

mike_the_engineer: If you want to steal my guns, you better bring a forklift.

[www.movingsimplified.com image 561x999]


Better have the thing hidden behind a bookcase.
 
2013-06-28 07:21:04 PM

Maul555: Bravo Two: Sin_City_Superhero: I'd be pissed as Hell if I came home after a flood and found out the government/police had gone into my house without my consent. I'd be even pissed-er if they took some of my stuff. I'd be a-suing if the stuff they took was firearms. But I'm an American, and I really have no idea how they do things in the Great White North. Sounds like a clusterfark, though.

They did it in NOLA before Canada. People there had to sue, and many of them never received their firearms back.

And people wonder why we should just trust the government.

Shiat like this is exactly why some people defy evacuation orders.   Hell, defying evacuation orders now seems like an idea that is very much worth considering.


Yes, it does. How else can Darwin come into play and thin the herd of guntards?
 
2013-06-28 07:21:19 PM
Everyone I know that has ever had firearms in police possession for any reason has got them back damaged and in many cases with a good portion of the ammunition used.

One friend of a friend died of a heart attack, cops took the guns from the family home before the body was even removed by the ambulance (died with his safe unlocked).  They mixed up all the reloading powders that were open (rather than carry a bunch of half full containers, they put them all into a bunch of big containers) so once his friends got everything back for the estate sale they had to destroy a couple hundred bucks in powders since they didn't know what was in the packages.  Damage to the guns from the cop lockup probably cost his family a few thousand dollars in resale value.

Wouldn't have such an issue if they responsible for damages, but they seem to immune.

/Ontario cops in these cases.
 
2013-06-28 07:21:32 PM

joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.


Each province has their own act, but http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/E06P8.pdf <-- that, applies to Alberta.  Section 19(1)(h) is the relevant part:

"authorize the entry into any building or on any land,
without warrant, by any person in the course ofimplementing an emergency plan or program;

So there, yup, we're definitely not the same as the US...
 
2013-06-28 07:22:06 PM
I'd bet there is about a 99.9% chance that one or more people claim they had guns that weren't returned and about a 0% chance to prove which side is lying.
 
2013-06-28 07:23:42 PM
I dislike Harper, but I appreciate that he stepped in and told them to give the guns back. This, in my minority opinion in my circle of friends, was uncool of the RCMP to do.

Also, there is a little much posting from people who don't understand our gun laws.
 
2013-06-28 07:23:52 PM
Does Canada have something similar to our National Guard? If so, then they should have been called up to block off and patrol the flooded areas so there wouldn't be any looters. That seems like it would be a lot easier to do than searching every house.
 
2013-06-28 07:24:27 PM

Next week's Tom Sawyer: ongbok: joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.

They are. How do you think they find out if any one is dead or needs help inside of a home during an emergency?

That's called exigent circumstances and it requires more than a hunch.


Do you know how I know you're an American?  Hint: we have different laws...
 
2013-06-28 07:25:03 PM

LisaNeedsBraces: sno man: Noctusxx: And this is what happens when people pass Gun Registration Laws.

Nothing to see here Citizen, If you happen to find your proof of ownership in the flooded wreck of your home you might get your property back.....If we feel the gun is ok for you to own.

No, no it's not, but do keep chocking that chicken.

Mmmm-hmmm.  I trust you speak from experience?  A friend of mine was charged & then the charges were dropped once they found out the wife was lying about abuse.  My friend's gun collection was confiscated.  Though innocent & he owned the guns legally, the cops did not return them.  This happened in Edmonton, AB.


I suspect your friend is leaving out a detail or two, but if not he should file a complaint and get a lawyer to write a letter.
 
2013-06-28 07:29:11 PM

FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?



Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).
 
2013-06-28 07:30:35 PM

Acharne: I dislike Harper, but I appreciate that he stepped in and told them to give the guns back. This, in my minority opinion in my circle of friends, was uncool of the RCMP to do.

Also, there is a little much posting from people who don't understand our gun laws.


Did Harper actually get involved? The article is scarce on this detail.
 
KIA
2013-06-28 07:31:03 PM
So, what will you have to sign to get them back?

Oh, and, uh... hope you have records somewhere safe of the serial numbers etc. as well as purchase information because they may not give them back without that either.

Will they be held long enough to start rusting?

I highly doubt the RCMP bothered to dry, clean and lube the guns for you...

Good luck!
 
2013-06-28 07:31:30 PM

joness0154: Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...

I'm not familiar with Canadian law, but here in the US police are not allowed to enter private dwellings during a state of emergency.

I assume it works the same way in Canada. This is more than a non issue. It's a HUGE issue.


Haha you missed have missed that whole Katrina thing where police went into people's homes and took their guns while the people were there.
Also you must have missed that whole Boston bomber thing where police invaded homes without warrants and tossed the people into the streets and told them to run.
 
2013-06-28 07:32:50 PM

sno man: do keep chocking that chicken.


WAT?
www.racecaddy.com
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-28 07:32:51 PM

FormlessOne: Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...

Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Funny how some people are okay with the idea that police can just go into their homes and take things that are considered "dangerous", oblivious to the high likelihood that other things may disappear and be blamed on looters (well, they would still be looters, they'd just also happen to carry badges).

I hope nothing like this ever happens in the US.  The police have no business in my home unless they have a warrant for a crime, and even then, they don't just get to take whatever they want.  If someone is going to loot anything from my house, I certainly don't want this problem to be doubled up by it being sanctioned by the government.
 
2013-06-28 07:33:29 PM

JK47: FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).


It's almost like they took note of the house they found it in when they did their inventory. Might be a little easier to prove you own/were renting one of those.
 
2013-06-28 07:33:46 PM

thoughtless: Acharne: I dislike Harper, but I appreciate that he stepped in and told them to give the guns back. This, in my minority opinion in my circle of friends, was uncool of the RCMP to do.

Also, there is a little much posting from people who don't understand our gun laws.

Did Harper actually get involved? The article is scarce on this detail.


Yes he did. Here is a different article:



"Give them back their guns"
 
2013-06-28 07:35:22 PM
TIL Canada also has guntards.

Idiots are more concerned police being in temporary posession of their firearms they didn't bother to take with them upon evacuation than some random looter breaking in and taking them. Does exposure to gunpowder cause an automatic drop in IQ?
 
2013-06-28 07:38:30 PM

Voiceofreason01: fnordfocus: Voiceofreason01: If they had their guns locked in a safe then the mounties wouldn't have been able to take them would they?

I imagine the safe companies have some sort of law enforcement hotline to give out combinations, or just an alternate code for the digital ones.

I imagine that you have an impressive collection of aluminum foil hats.


Just as an example, Browning's safes accept a "master reset code" that they'll provide to an owner if Law Enforcement requests it.  You think they won't give it straight to a LEO who calls up?
 
2013-06-28 07:38:52 PM

JK47: FormlessOne: Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


Read the article you farking moron.  You need to present them with proof of ownership which is most likely in the same condition as the other personal items in the home (e.g. destroyed).


Yeah, but that's their fault.

You see, there could be the possibility of looting, so it's up to law enforcement to break down your door and go through your prized possessions to minimize any possible damage.

Now, you might ask: "that's fine and dandy, but can't they make a note of where the guns came from to document their actions like all good law enforcement do"? That's a good question, now shut up.
 
2013-06-28 07:40:46 PM
LOL Gun "rights" advocates are calm, rational people LOL


"AH NEED MAH GUNZ TO FIGHT THE FLOODWATERSS!!!11!"
 
2013-06-28 07:41:11 PM
If those officers aren't trained by the TSA, you'll be lucky to get half your stuff back.
 
2013-06-28 07:42:33 PM

06Wahoo: FormlessOne: Maul555: Wow... WTF Canada, WTF...

Huh? "Oh noes! The cops entered my flooded house, took my improperly secured weapon, noted the address from whence it came, and will hold it for me, high and dry, until I come back and ask for it! IT'S MADNESS! MADNESS!"

Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?

Funny how some people are okay with the idea that police can just go into their homes and take things that are considered "dangerous", oblivious to the high likelihood that other things may disappear and be blamed on looters (well, they would still be looters, they'd just also happen to carry badges).

I hope nothing like this ever happens in the US.  The police have no business in my home unless they have a warrant for a crime, and even then, they don't just get to take whatever they want.  If someone is going to loot anything from my house, I certainly don't want this problem to be doubled up by it being sanctioned by the government.


Ya, cause it's the protection from a warrantless search solely for safety reasons during a once in a century flood, that makes the US a bastion of glorious freedom versus our Orwell-like concentration camp we call Canada.  Other than the whole NSA thing, and the enemy combatant stuff, and the influence of religion in so many of your laws, etc., but hey, no cop is going to check for YOUR bloated corpse during a flood, no way!
 
2013-06-28 07:43:04 PM
Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?
 
2013-06-28 07:43:21 PM
"The longer that the water stays in our houses the worse it's going to be. We'll either be bulldozing them or burning them down because we've got an incompetent government."

Last time I checked it was a CONSERVATIVE government in power in Canada.
And guess who helped put them in power in the first place?
Good old rural ALBERTA (Canada's Texas!)

Nice to be hoist by your own petard.
 
2013-06-28 07:43:58 PM

mike_the_engineer: If you want to steal my guns, you better bring a forklift.

[www.movingsimplified.com image 561x999]



I wonder how many people who have one of those picked 1-7-7-6 as the combination?
 
2013-06-28 07:44:34 PM

jaytkay: LOL Gun "rights" advocates are calm, rational people LOL


"AH NEED MAH GUNZ TO FIGHT THE FLOODWATERSS!!!11!"


I'm sure you'd be calm and rational if the cops came and took your Beanie Baby collection.
 
2013-06-28 07:46:14 PM
Shouldn't ever lib fark be happy about this?
 
2013-06-28 07:46:45 PM

Ricardo Klement: jaytkay: LOL Gun "rights" advocates are calm, rational people LOL


"AH NEED MAH GUNZ TO FIGHT THE FLOODWATERSS!!!11!"

I'm sure you'd be calm and rational if the cops came and took your Beanie Baby collection.


haha i laughed.
 
2013-06-28 07:46:50 PM

Ricardo Klement: jaytkay: LOL Gun "rights" advocates are calm, rational people LOL


"AH NEED MAH GUNZ TO FIGHT THE FLOODWATERSS!!!11!"

I'm sure you'd be calm and rational if the cops came and took your Beanie Baby collection.


Yes, but you can't kill 20 kids with beanie babies.

intellectual checkmate, gun nutz
 
2013-06-28 07:49:14 PM

jso2897: Another bullshiat, distorted victim myth from deluded gun-fappers.
They'll give your stupid guns back, after they have SECURED THEM FROM LOOTERS, you chuckleheaded morons.
Why are the people who biatch and cry about government the loudest always the inbreds who would survive about fifteen seconds without it?


You're an idiot if that is what you feel. Idiot only in the sense that you lotted people upset about this as 'inbreds' who hate the government. I love the police. I love the government and I love everything society has brought me. What I do not trust, is the RCMP taking personal items of ANY KIND from my house or my neighbours house. To claim it was to prevent looters is naive on their part. Sure there are more important issues at play, but this is an emergency, and in emergencies you often see strange justifications for strange behaviour. I bet these guns were on racks on the walls, but made the police nervious. It's a silly thing and it shouldn't have happened. To be against this action is not to be against 'The government'. You sound like a nutter.
 
2013-06-28 07:49:21 PM

FormlessOne: Sheesh. The article clearly states that the RCMP inventoried them, secured them, and will be happy to give them back once citizens can return to their homes. Bloody 'ell, what is wrong with you folks?


That's just how they do fascism in Canada.  The jack-booted thugs knock down on your door, seize your property with a receipt and a "sorry we missed you" note to rescue it from flood damage and theft, disarm you with polite remarks, and shut down all dissent by engaging in a deliberative process where everyone is encouraged to voice his or her concerns.

It's like Orwell said:  if you want a vision of the Canadian future, imagine a boot stamping down a flight of basement stairs to rescue a kitten, forever.
 
2013-06-28 07:50:19 PM

super_grass: Ricardo Klement: jaytkay: LOL Gun "rights" advocates are calm, rational people LOL


"AH NEED MAH GUNZ TO FIGHT THE FLOODWATERSS!!!11!"

I'm sure you'd be calm and rational if the cops came and took your Beanie Baby collection.

Yes, but you can't kill 20 kids with beanie babies.



It depends on how hard you throw them.
 
2013-06-28 07:51:28 PM

Larmer: This is a non-story, at this point.  As soon as the RCMP refuse to return the firearms, then there's an issue.

They were legally authorized to enter private homes during the state of emergency, and from the sounds of it, only took firearms that were unsafely stored (ie in the open, no trigger lock).  That is the smart and responsible thing to do, and if anything we should be ticked off at the idiots who don't safely store their guns; they make the rest of us look bad.

/owns lots of guns
//guns, guns, guns
///love me some guns...


Yar.

It's really for the best that we don't have a bunch of empty houses full of guns just waiting for the looters to show up.

If someone steals your TV or XBOX... well, that sucks.  But they can't use it to commit MORE crimes.

If someone steals a whole bunch of weapons you were keeping under the bed for some damn reason, that's a public security threat, so putting the guns in storage until the evacuees can come claim them is reasonable.

And these guns wouldn't just stay in Calgary, they'd be in the rest of Canadian cities within weeks, to assist our idiot drug dealers in shooting each other over turf.
 
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