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2013-06-28 05:28:05 PM  
I think I'm the only person who actually liked Windows 8's UI design on its own terms.

Except for the hovering start menu icon, that's stupid. Keep it in place. Don't make it disappear.
 
2013-06-28 05:55:03 PM  
I'm thinking Windows 9.

And Penny Arcade is just awesome, excepting the lack of ladies. I sorely miss intelligent comics with lady leads.

Because everyone on the internet is male until proven otherwise, amiright?
 
2013-06-28 06:46:26 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: I'm thinking Windows 9.

And Penny Arcade is just awesome, excepting the lack of ladies. I sorely miss intelligent comics with lady leads.

Because everyone on the internet is male until proven otherwise, amiright?


I hate to say it, but I still presume everyone on the Internet is a man until proven otherwise.  It is a policy that hasn't failed me yet.
 
2013-06-28 06:50:01 PM  

RexTalionis: I think I'm the only person who actually liked Windows 8's UI design on its own terms.

Except for the hovering start menu icon, that's stupid. Keep it in place. Don't make it disappear.


I like everything except the fact that the workflow for using most of the metro apps is completely bass-ackward from the regular desktop experience. You can't even uninstall them via Control Panel! Whoever decided that having two different UI workflow paradigms in the same OS was a good idea, should be shot.

But I like the start screen better than the old nested start menu, and the live tiles are awesome for assimilating info at a glance--I just wish there was a way to collapse groups of icons so I didn't have to scroll so much.

But 99% of the FUD that gets thrown around about W8 is either lies or ignorance.
 
2013-06-28 06:50:45 PM  
Hey boys, let me show you my vagina.  Just don't touch it because it goes right back to being a penis.
 
2013-06-28 06:52:33 PM  
I'm kinda mad that I can't get rid of the start button now. I use the windows key to open the start screen anyways, so the start button is just wasted space.

Also, the Start Screen is really useful if you stop trying to make it do what the start menu does. Spend some time organizing your tiles, and go ahead and pick up a few metro apps that have useful live tiles. It's pretty useful once you get it setup. Of course, the longer you wait to do it, and the more apps you install in the mean time, the harder it is.
 
2013-06-28 06:53:45 PM  
A guide to a Windows complainer:

Step 1: Complain that Microsoft's operating system is crappy for touch (see, XP Tablet Edition, Vista, Win 7)
Step 2: biatch when the operating system integrates a touch friendly UI to the old desktop (see, Win 8)
Step 3: Keep biatching after they make the UI similar to the past 18 years of OS development (See 8.1's start button).
Step 4: When Microsoft removes the Metro interface, then proceed to complain that they do nothing to innovate and don't cater to a world that's moving to tablet and touch interfaces. (Windows 9)

Rinse, repeat. Also, see Xbox One complaints and changes for similar biatching cycles.
 
2013-06-28 06:54:23 PM  
I hate when companies cannot admit that their direction is a mistake and back-track.

I understand that M$ wants to create a unified interface across its devices and there is some merit to that idea ... but shoving failed attempts down our throats is not the way.
 
2013-06-28 06:56:17 PM  
i really dont get the win8 hate. it works better than 7 in every measurable sense. and dont give me this "tablet or touchpad" bullshiat. it works fine with a mouse. jesus, you pussies just love to whine, like typical democrats.
 
2013-06-28 06:59:40 PM  

MrSteve007: A guide to a Windows complainer:

Step 1: Complain that Microsoft's operating system is crappy for touch (see, XP Tablet Edition, Vista, Win 7)
Step 2: biatch when the operating system integrates a touch friendly UI to the old desktop (see, Win 8)
Step 3: Keep biatching after they make the UI similar to the past 18 years of OS development (See 8.1's start button).
Step 4: When Microsoft removes the Metro interface, then proceed to complain that they do nothing to innovate and don't cater to a world that's moving to tablet and touch interfaces. (Windows 9)

Rinse, repeat. Also, see Xbox One complaints and changes for similar biatching cycles.


1 - yes
2 - biatching because they destroyed the non-touch interface ... not because they added a touch one
3 - biatching because they just faked moving it back to what people want ... but in, reality, they stayed on the failed system
4 - predicting the future in your whiny rant ... nice

The Xbone complaints have successfully convinced Micro$oft to make positive changes. Lucky that us users are not the mindless drones you would have us be.
 
2013-06-28 07:00:57 PM  
Succinctness implies accuracy.

Windows 8 still sucks for a large enterprise of lusers with multi-display configurations.
 
2013-06-28 07:01:07 PM  
Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.
 
2013-06-28 07:01:32 PM  

Livingroom: i really dont get the win8 hate. it works better than 7 in every measurable sense. and dont give me this "tablet or touchpad" bullshiat. it works fine with a mouse. jesus, you pussies just love to whine, like typical democrats.


A lot of people white-knighted Windows Vista and Windows ME ... just like you are doing now for Win8. History proved them wrong as well.
 
2013-06-28 07:02:59 PM  
Windows 8 was the first time I actually got the sense that Microsoft doesn't want me as a customer. It no longer believes in the "personal" computer.

I always felt they wanted to provide a product that I would like, whether or not they succeeded. Now it feels like they are telling me what I should want. I am no longer a customer, but a part of their financial model. Even after paying for the OS and software I must login and share personal data through their cloud if I want reasonable functionality.
 
2013-06-28 07:03:58 PM  
I would amend that comic by saying Windows 8.0 is how UI designers say F-you, and Windows 8.1 is how UI designers say "And the horse you rode in on".
 
2013-06-28 07:06:00 PM  

TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.


Long story short ... it is a solid improvement on Win7 (which is already a very good OS) but its new interface is better suited for touch than it is for mouse/keyboard. Microsoft is using its typical bully techniques to force everyone to start using this new way thinking eventually everyone will adapt ... and the people are pushing back.

Win 8.1 was supposed to return things closer to what people liked but in the end it was just Microsoft trying a different tack to force their vision on you.
 
2013-06-28 07:10:28 PM  
When I walked in to one of their stores the other day and started playing with Surface tablets, the employees wandered over to see what the hell I was doing and started asking me questions about how to use the product that they were selling.

So before MS rolls out another version of Windows, they should actually show employees at the Microsoft Store how to use it. Might help sales a little.
 
2013-06-28 07:11:06 PM  

goatleggedfellow: Windows 8 was the first time I actually got the sense that Microsoft doesn't want me as a customer. It no longer believes in the "personal" computer.

I always felt they wanted to provide a product that I would like, whether or not they succeeded. Now it feels like they are telling me what I should want. I am no longer a customer, but a part of their financial model. Even after paying for the OS and software I must login and share personal data through their cloud if I want reasonable functionality.


I think it's more the case that your interests and Microsoft's commercial interests coincided. Now, unless you want to purchase a new touch-screen device and buy your software from MS's walled garden you're no longer their kind of customer.
 
2013-06-28 07:12:47 PM  

red5ish: I would amend that comic by saying Windows 8.0 is how UI designers say F-you, and Windows 8.1 is how UI designers say "And the horse you rode in on".


 I figure it like this. Windows 8.0 is gang rape. 8.1 is turning that gang rape into a bukkake video.

Farking Canuck: MrSteve007: A guide to a Windows complainer:

Step 1: Complain that Microsoft's operating system is crappy for touch (see, XP Tablet Edition, Vista, Win 7)
Step 2: biatch when the operating system integrates a touch friendly UI to the old desktop (see, Win 8)
Step 3: Keep biatching after they make the UI similar to the past 18 years of OS development (See 8.1's start button).
Step 4: When Microsoft removes the Metro interface, then proceed to complain that they do nothing to innovate and don't cater to a world that's moving to tablet and touch interfaces. (Windows 9)

Rinse, repeat. Also, see Xbox One complaints and changes for similar biatching cycles.

1 - yes
2 - biatching because they destroyed the non-touch interface ... not because they added a touch one
3 - biatching because they just faked moving it back to what people want ... but in, reality, they stayed on the failed system
4 - predicting the future in your whiny rant ... nice

The Xbone complaints have successfully convinced Micro$oft to make positive changes. Lucky that us users are not the mindless drones you would have us be.


That. For the one computer I've dealt with at work  with Windows 8 I found some freeware program that I can't recall the name of at the moment, and you can tell it to make it look and somewhat work like any previous version of Windows that you want. When you hit the Start menu, it brings up the old interface with your list of installed programs, options to open the control panel and all that jazz instead of that silly tile apps bullshiat.
 
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2013-06-28 07:12:52 PM  

Livingroom: i really dont get the win8 hate. it works better than 7 in every measurable sense. and dont give me this "tablet or touchpad" bullshiat. it works fine with a mouse. jesus, you pussies just love to whine, like typical democrats.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-28 07:13:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: A lot of people white-knighted Windows Vista and Windows ME


I just wanted to note that Windows Vista wasn't actually that terrible. Yes, it was nowhere near as visionary as Longhorn (with its relational database filesystem), but it wasn't a bad OS.

The problem was that just before Windows Vista was released, the specification required to get the "Windows Vista-ready" certification was revised downward, which resulted in a lot of PC and laptop manufacturers pumping out seriously low-spec laptops and desktops that didn't have the power or the proper drivers to run Windows Vista properly. What most people experienced with Vista was because the devices they had didn't have the right driver support or the power to run Vista. The OS itself wasn't much of an issue (except for complaints like UAC - which, to be fair - made the OS a lot more secure).

I don't really care if you think I'm white-knighting Vista or anything. I'm just calling it like I see it. The differences between Vista and Windows 7 aren't that great, all things considered, and yet people who loved Windows 7 hated Vista a lot.
 
2013-06-28 07:14:20 PM  
Windows 8 sucks, but not because of the UI or anything.

I cloned my Windows 8 drive. Normally, in this case, all you need to do to start booting off the new, cloned drive (with Windows 7 anyway) is to run the startup recovery disc on the newly cloned drive.

Windows 8 discs don't have this function. So guess what ended up happening? Both disks were now bad and wouldn't boot.

Luckily, my last backup was just before I upgraded to Windows 8. Perfect!
 
2013-06-28 07:14:59 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: RexTalionis: I think I'm the only person who actually liked Windows 8's UI design on its own terms.

Except for the hovering start menu icon, that's stupid. Keep it in place. Don't make it disappear.

I like everything except the fact that the workflow for using most of the metro apps is completely bass-ackward from the regular desktop experience. You can't even uninstall them via Control Panel! Whoever decided that having two different UI workflow paradigms in the same OS was a good idea, should be shot.

But I like the start screen better than the old nested start menu, and the live tiles are awesome for assimilating info at a glance--I just wish there was a way to collapse groups of icons so I didn't have to scroll so much.

But 99% of the FUD that gets thrown around about W8 is either lies or ignorance.


It's not the same operating system from the way I understand it. The Start Menu is basically a second runtime environment duct-taped on top of the regular Windows Desktop. It's not quite a whole other OS, but it might as well be. That's why there are two versions of IE10 that don't talk to each other at all.
 
2013-06-28 07:17:59 PM  

Farking Canuck: TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.

Long story short ... it is a solid improvement on Win7 (which is already a very good OS) but its new interface is better suited for touch than it is for mouse/keyboard. Microsoft is using its typical bully techniques to force everyone to start using this new way thinking eventually everyone will adapt ... and the people are pushing back.

Win 8.1 was supposed to return things closer to what people liked but in the end it was just Microsoft trying a different tack to force their vision on you.


Yeah, that's what I've heard, but I'm more looking for the long story.
 
2013-06-28 07:20:44 PM  

Farking Canuck: Livingroom: i really dont get the win8 hate. it works better than 7 in every measurable sense. and dont give me this "tablet or touchpad" bullshiat. it works fine with a mouse. jesus, you pussies just love to whine, like typical democrats.

A lot of people white-knighted Windows Vista and Windows ME ... just like you are doing now for Win8. History proved them wrong as well.


Windows Me was a bad idea implemented badly. Vista was full if great ideas implemented poorly. Windows 8 is a terrible idea implemented as well as possible.

Windows 8 is basically the equivalent of Chevy deciding that since Ford was selling a lot of Mustangs, it made sense for Chevy to stop making Silverados and only offer customers El Caminos for the new model year. Pony cars are popular, pickup trucks are popular, so if you give people BOTH you'll sell twice as many!
 
2013-06-28 07:23:33 PM  

TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.


What worked for me was the stuff from Scott Hanselman, a developer advocate at Microsoft.

Scott Hanselman's "Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes"

"The Missing Windows 8 Instructional Video"

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Windows8ProductivityWhoMovedMyCheeseOh Th ereItIs.aspx

www.hanselman.com
 
2013-06-28 07:27:09 PM  

RexTalionis: Farking Canuck: A lot of people white-knighted Windows Vista and Windows ME

I just wanted to note that Windows Vista wasn't actually that terrible. Yes, it was nowhere near as visionary as Longhorn (with its relational database filesystem), but it wasn't a bad OS.

The problem was that just before Windows Vista was released, the specification required to get the "Windows Vista-ready" certification was revised downward, which resulted in a lot of PC and laptop manufacturers pumping out seriously low-spec laptops and desktops that didn't have the power or the proper drivers to run Windows Vista properly. What most people experienced with Vista was because the devices they had didn't have the right driver support or the power to run Vista. The OS itself wasn't much of an issue (except for complaints like UAC - which, to be fair - made the OS a lot more secure).

I don't really care if you think I'm white-knighting Vista or anything. I'm just calling it like I see it. The differences between Vista and Windows 7 aren't that great, all things considered, and yet people who loved Windows 7 hated Vista a lot.


Vista started out terrible and got....less terrible, I guess. By the time SP2 and the platform update rolled around it was basically Win7 with a dated UI and a few features left out. But even on a high-spec machine it's sluggish compared to Win8, and just forget running it on a low-spec machine. Win8, on the other hand, somehow runs faster than XP did on the same old-ass hardware.
 
2013-06-28 07:27:24 PM  
In the name of all that's holy... Just tell me how I can add an icon grin the start screen to the desktop.
Difficulty: 10 clicks or touches or less
 
2013-06-28 07:29:15 PM  

RexTalionis: I think I'm the only person who actually liked Windows 8's UI design on its own terms.


Hey, it happens. I'm fairly certain I'm the only Ubuntu user who really likes Unity.
 
2013-06-28 07:29:50 PM  

steveGswine: TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.

What worked for me was the stuff from Scott Hanselman, a developer advocate at Microsoft.

Scott Hanselman's "Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes"

"The Missing Windows 8 Instructional Video"

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Windows8ProductivityWhoMovedMyCheeseOh Th ereItIs.aspx

[www.hanselman.com image 258x365]


Thanks, I'm watching them now. I don't like the sounds of that image though. I don't have a windows button on my keyboard.
 
2013-06-28 07:32:48 PM  

MrSteve007: A guide to a Windows complainer:

Step 1: Complain that Microsoft's operating system is crappy for touch (see, XP Tablet Edition, Vista, Win 7)


I have never heard anyone, anywhere say "man I really wish Windows had a touch interface."  Maybe people with Windows tablets, but I know none of those.  If it's only tablet people complaining...then how about keep the touch interface on the tablet instead of forcing it on PC users?

Step 2: biatch when the operating system integrates a touch friendly UI to the old desktop (see, Win 8)

It's not integrated; it's tacked on, shiatty, and annoying.  And it's on non-touch PCs, which does nothing positive.

Step 3: Keep biatching after they make the UI similar to the past 18 years of OS development (See 8.1's start button).

I have no idea if they actually fixed it.  From TFA's comic, it doesn't sound much better.

Step 4: When Microsoft removes the Metro interface, then proceed to complain that they do nothing to innovate and don't cater to a world that's moving to tablet and touch interfaces. (Windows 9)

Now you're complaining about stuff that hasn't happened yet.  Cool.
 
2013-06-28 07:35:25 PM  

TheOmni: I don't have a windows button on my keyboard.


Windows 8 is the first Windows version where I've found it useful - but it's genuinely useful.   It's broken me of the Start menu habit, even when I use Windows 7.  Windows key, then  "w-o-r-d" starts Word faster than sliding a mouse around, even on Windows 7.
 
2013-06-28 07:36:07 PM  

exparrot: In the name of all that's holy... Just tell me how I can add an icon grin the start screen to the desktop.
Difficulty: 10 clicks or touches or less


uh....assuming "grin" was supposed to be "from"? you want to have a start screen icon on the desktop?

If you want it as a quick-launch icon on the taskbar, just right-click the start screen tile and click "pin to taskbar". If you want a desktop icon thats on the desktop itself, right-click the tile, hit "go to file location", right-click the icon that pops up, go to "send to", go to "desktop (create shortcut)".

Note that's only for desktop applications. Metro apps can't be attached to the desktop for some stupid reason.
 
2013-06-28 07:37:09 PM  
I don't know if anyone else is old enough to remember how much complaining the first introduction of the Start Button got from the people who liked Program Manager and File Manager from Windows 3.1x

toastytech.com

vs.

upload.wikimedia.org
www.guidebookgallery.org
 
2013-06-28 07:38:39 PM  
Microsoft is making a smart move creating a unified touch screen interface.  It's a loosing move to try to keep satisfying old folks who are complaining about learning new stuff. In ten years the new workforce would have all grown up with a touch screen interface and would be demanding the same at work.

Microsoft has gone out ahead of the trend this time, don't worry Apple will follow. Except Apple will openly laugh at you for being stupid if you don't like rightApple way.
 
2013-06-28 07:39:29 PM  

steveGswine: TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.

What worked for me was the stuff from Scott Hanselman, a developer advocate at Microsoft.

Scott Hanselman's "Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes"

"The Missing Windows 8 Instructional Video"

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Windows8ProductivityWhoMovedMyCheeseOh Th ereItIs.aspx


If the best way to navigate an OS designed for touch screens and mice is to use a keyboard, your head UI designer failed miserably somewhere along the way. If I wanted to use a keyboard to invoke full screen apps, I would have just stuck with DOS.
 
2013-06-28 07:40:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: If I wanted to use a keyboard to invoke full screen apps, I would have just stuck with DOS.


Ahhhh, I remember the DOS days. That was great.
 
2013-06-28 07:41:06 PM  

Famous Thamas: SecretAgentWoman: I'm thinking Windows 9.

And Penny Arcade is just awesome, excepting the lack of ladies. I sorely miss intelligent comics with lady leads.

Because everyone on the internet is male until proven otherwise, amiright?

I hate to say it, but I still presume everyone on the Internet is a man until proven otherwise.  It is a policy that hasn't failed me yet.


Well if you are a gay male that seem sto

MrSteve007: A guide to a Windows complainer:

Step 1: Complain that Microsoft's operating system is crappy for touch (see, XP Tablet Edition, Vista, Win 7)
Step 2: biatch when the operating system integrates a touch friendly UI to the old desktop (see, Win 8)
Step 3: Keep biatching after they make the UI similar to the past 18 years of OS development (See 8.1's start button).
Step 4: When Microsoft removes the Metro interface, then proceed to complain that they do nothing to innovate and don't cater to a world that's moving to tablet and touch interfaces. (Windows 9)

Rinse, repeat. Also, see Xbox One complaints and changes for similar biatching cycles.


That is not even remotely close to true.  Win-8/2k12 (gui install) is poorly put together and requires many more steps to utilize many of the features that were readily available in previous OS installs.  Had they done something as simple as provide a toggle for "Metro" or "regular Win-7 classic" desktop as the default loader people would have been much happier with Win8.  The toggle should have been obvious and easy to use.  Yes, I get that you can utilize some windows hotkey combo's to alleviate the frustration but those work poorly when dealing with virtualized environments.

Also, please explain why the hell the same Metro interface is used with server2k12?  How many 2k12 servers are going to be touch screen?  Seriously, your option is either 1)  No GUI (Default Next option) or 2)  Touch Screen Metro option.  This whole new GUI push was a flop.
 
2013-06-28 07:48:39 PM  

Mad_Radhu: If the best way to navigate an OS designed for touch screens and mice is to use a keyboard, your head UI designer failed miserably somewhere along the way.


I don't have a lot of cockpit time with a touch-enabled Windows box - but my traditional preference for hotkeys over point and click is happily supported by Windows 8.  Your best way may vary.

When I do use the Metro apps designed for touch, I very much want touch.  For the work I do (largely textual), I'd just as soon throw away the mouse and let my wrists heal.
 
2013-06-28 07:50:23 PM  
That's a really funny comic, but it leaves out four fifths of the story of the Windows 8.1 Start button.

- You can make the Start button bring up the All Apps screen like God intended it to.
- You can make the system boot to the Desktop directly
- There is a button on the Metro Start menu to bring up All Apps without any charm or keyboard silliness
- um there was another part about choosing whether All Apps or Metro is default that I can't remember without it right in front of me, it wasn't as cool as the three previous ones but it helped to keep the Metro cooties away even more

Also, you can sort the apps screen, so no more scrolling ten times to get beyond all the useless Metro icons. It learns which ones you use and moves them up if you sort by most used.

Bad things:
- They really screwed the pooch on Search.  It's now local machine global (improved) but it's also Bing Web-global (very bad) and doesn't show any defaults behind an empty search any more.
- You cannot mix & match your Start buttons.  The Charms, the Desktop Start button, and the Windows key  are all forced to do the same thing.
 
2013-06-28 07:51:27 PM  
The MOST annoying part about getting a Wi. 8 computer set up is that the desktop version of IE10 doesn't show up in the list of Start Screen apps at all, only the touch screen version does (unless they fixed it in 8.1). What this means is that if you want to create a tile that launches IE on the desktop, you have to dig deep into the bowels of the Windows folder to track down the executable so you can pin it to the Start Screen. The shortcut that is on the desktop task bar just won't pin as far as I know. It just isn't intuitive at all, and is probably damn near impossible for the laity.
 
2013-06-28 07:52:31 PM  

Aldon: Microsoft is making a smart move creating a unified touch screen interface.  It's a loosing move to try to keep satisfying old folks who are complaining about learning new stuff. In ten years the new workforce would have all grown up with a touch screen interface and would be demanding the same at work.

Microsoft has gone out ahead of the trend this time, don't worry Apple will follow. Except Apple will openly laugh at you for being stupid if you don't like rightApple way.


No one wants to use a touch screen for real work. If I had to program with one, I'd look for another line of work.
 
2013-06-28 07:54:02 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Aldon: Microsoft is making a smart move creating a unified touch screen interface.  It's a loosing move to try to keep satisfying old folks who are complaining about learning new stuff. In ten years the new workforce would have all grown up with a touch screen interface and would be demanding the same at work.

Microsoft has gone out ahead of the trend this time, don't worry Apple will follow. Except Apple will openly laugh at you for being stupid if you don't like rightApple way.

No one wants to use a touch screen for real work. If I had to program with one, I'd look for another line of work.


If you don't know the touchscreen, why not use the mouse and keyboard?
 
2013-06-28 07:57:42 PM  

RexTalionis: I don't know if anyone else is old enough to remember how much complaining the first introduction of the Start Button got from the people who liked Program Manager and File Manager from Windows 3.1x

[toastytech.com image 640x480]

vs.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 512x336]
[www.guidebookgallery.org image 640x480]


I don't remember the butthurt, but do remember holding onto 311 until 98 made a scene.  95 was terrible.
 
2013-06-28 07:59:25 PM  
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2013-06-28 08:05:37 PM  

steveGswine: TheOmni: Short of actually using it, is there anywhere that gives a real good impression of how Windows 8 performs and how it is to use? Ideally, I'm thinking of some sort of video review that actually goes over doing basic tasks like installing programs, running programs, switching between programs, browsing files, etc. Not showing off some aspect of a new feature, just trying to accomplish basic tasks, using the new features where appropriate. Especially if they include what can or cannot be configured and in what different ways.

What worked for me was the stuff from Scott Hanselman, a developer advocate at Microsoft.

Scott Hanselman's "Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes"

"The Missing Windows 8 Instructional Video"

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Windows8ProductivityWhoMovedMyCheeseOh Th ereItIs.aspx

[www.hanselman.com image 258x365]


Thanks again, I did watch through the videos. Answered a couple questions, but left a lot out. Doesn't help that he seems to be recording that on a 9inch screen. Seriously, everything was huge. I'm going to keep looking a bit.

Basically, my issue is that I'm seeing a lot of "Well that's dumb, I would never want to use that and it would be in the way" stuff and I'm not really sure how much of that is a necessary part of the operating system and how much of it I can just ignore, turn off, or work around.
 
2013-06-28 08:07:03 PM  

steveGswine: Mad_Radhu: If the best way to navigate an OS designed for touch screens and mice is to use a keyboard, your head UI designer failed miserably somewhere along the way.

I don't have a lot of cockpit time with a touch-enabled Windows box - but my traditional preference for hotkeys over point and click is happily supported by Windows 8.  Your best way may vary.

When I do use the Metro apps designed for touch, I very much want touch.  For the work I do (largely textual), I'd just as soon throw away the mouse and let my wrists heal.


I appreciate the power of hot keys, but I just use the mouse too much for page layout type work totally go back to doing things DOS-style (I don't do enough sketching to really benefit from a Wacom touchscreen/digitizer).

Also, the Start Screen kind of annoys me because it is kind of fugly. The standard tiles need to all be the same color like Windows Phone. What Microsoft really should have done was to scale WP8 up for a tablet form factor like iOS and Android were. That way, not only would they have a "pure" touch screen UI, but Win Phone would have benefitted from all the updates that would likely be done to make the tablet form factor work (rotation lock, notification center, improved printing support, 1080p display support) would have been back ported to the phone to allow WP8 to be a more compelling offer. In my opinion, Microsoft basically doomed two business divisions by choosing poorly when it came to their tablet strategy.
 
2013-06-28 08:07:25 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: RexTalionis: I think I'm the only person who actually liked Windows 8's UI design on its own terms.

Except for the hovering start menu icon, that's stupid. Keep it in place. Don't make it disappear.

I like everything except the fact that the workflow for using most of the metro apps is completely bass-ackward from the regular desktop experience. You can't even uninstall them via Control Panel! Whoever decided that having two different UI workflow paradigms in the same OS was a good idea, should be shot.


So we should be hunting down whoever designed Windows 3.1 with DOS hiding in there somewhere?
 
2013-06-28 08:14:02 PM  

Aldon: Microsoft has gone out ahead of the trend this time, don't worry Apple will follow. Except Apple will openly laugh at you for being stupid if you don't like rightApple way.


I get the feeling that was all sarcasm.

But my job will never find a use for touch screen.  I spend my entire day reading medical reports, collating medical files of several hundred pages in pdf format, writing letters, filling in electronic forms, and typing a lot.  A. Lot.

This is something that will never be done better on a touch interface.  I highly doubt it could be done at all with any sort of efficiency or accuracy.

The idea that the entire world is going to use touch, and keyboards and mouses are a thing of the past is about as moronic as the "everyone, to the cloud!" thing.
 
2013-06-28 08:16:23 PM  
shiat sandwich.
 
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