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(Variety)   TV executives believe they've figured out the secret code to continued success: More of the same   (variety.com) divider line 86
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2013-06-28 11:07:02 AM
Hot chicks in tight outfits kicking arse?
 
2013-06-28 11:14:53 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hot chicks in tight outfits kicking arse?


I have no problem with that.
 
2013-06-28 11:20:56 AM
Everything done on TV makes a lot more sense when you realize the relationship between TV, viewers and advertisers is this:

YOU are the product that TV broadcasters are delivering to their advertisers

The broadcasters' job is NOT to put on quality programming...their job is to get you to watch as many advertisements as possible.
 
2013-06-28 11:30:55 AM
And what is YOUR idea of groundbreaking television subby (that doesn't violate any FCC rules)?
 
2013-06-28 11:32:23 AM
Oh boy! More singing competitions and Whitney Cummings sitcoms where the laugh track needs its own dedicated nuclear reactor!
 
2013-06-28 11:38:00 AM
Gee, I couldn't tell that from the 168498 shows about a fat bumbling husband, his inexplicably attractive wife, and combative in-laws.
 
2013-06-28 11:55:09 AM
this article is a repeat from every farking summer for the last 40 years which is pretty ironic if you think about it
 
2013-06-28 12:03:02 PM

Jackson Herring: this article is a repeat from every farking summer for the last 40 years which is pretty ironic if you think about it


My first thought was "Rick Romero has a time machine?"
 
2013-06-28 12:11:06 PM
So we have News, crime shows, reality shows, supernatural shows, sit-coms and evening soap operas (and combinations thereof). After unnecessary last season of Dexter finishes, I doubt I'll be watching anything.
 
2013-06-28 12:13:55 PM
I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.
 
2013-06-28 12:16:29 PM
The Big Four networks and I have kind of a deal; they keep doing what they're doing, and I mostly ignore it.
 
2013-06-28 12:17:42 PM
I guess I kind of find it amusing that this appeared in Variety.
 
2013-06-28 12:17:48 PM

simplicimus: So we have News, crime shows, reality shows, supernatural shows, sit-coms and evening soap operas (and combinations thereof).


Why is genre literature and genre film perfectly fine but genre television isn't?

I've never understood this argument.
 
2013-06-28 12:19:16 PM

sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.


What do you consider great television?
And amend my previous list to include sports.
 
2013-06-28 12:21:53 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Oh boy! More singing competitions and Whitney Cummings sitcoms where the laugh track needs its own dedicated nuclear reactor!


I must be one of the few people who enjoyed Whitney.  Sure, it stumbled some in the first season, and the whole gay Indian guy subplot was horrible, but it started to find its legs by the second season.  I liked it more than 2 Broke Girls anyway.

Also, why maybe not the most original, USA seems to be the network that can do no wrong when it comes to shows I like to watch.  From the premise I was expecting Graceland to be a failed mix of The Real World and a cop show, but after seeing the first few episodes, it's really neither, and is pretty gosh-dang good.
 
2013-06-28 12:23:18 PM

sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: So we have News, crime shows, reality shows, supernatural shows, sit-coms and evening soap operas (and combinations thereof).

Why is genre literature and genre film perfectly fine but genre television isn't?

I've never understood this argument.


Off hand I'd say because film and literature can tell a story in a single unit, without the need to do to produce episode after episode.
 
2013-06-28 12:23:36 PM
Laughtracks on Reality shows
 
2013-06-28 12:26:08 PM

simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.

What do you consider great television?
And amend my previous list to include sports.


Breaking Bad, The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Justified, The Shield, Enlightened...

I don't know. There's been all kinds of great stuff recently. And it's not really that hard to find.
 
2013-06-28 12:27:13 PM

simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: So we have News, crime shows, reality shows, supernatural shows, sit-coms and evening soap operas (and combinations thereof).

Why is genre literature and genre film perfectly fine but genre television isn't?

I've never understood this argument.

Off hand I'd say because film and literature can tell a story in a single unit, without the need to do to produce episode after episode.


That and a lot of the shows they keep pumping out are the television equivalent of Twilight.
 
2013-06-28 12:28:27 PM

sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.

What do you consider great television?
And amend my previous list to include sports.

Breaking Bad, The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Justified, The Shield, Enlightened...

I don't know. There's been all kinds of great stuff recently. And it's not really that hard to find.


Plus GoT of course, Treme, and Veep (surprisingly funny and pretty original, a neat concept show).  Falling Skies and Orphan Black are doing some cool stuff with sci-fi as well.
 
2013-06-28 12:29:29 PM

Aarontology: simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: So we have News, crime shows, reality shows, supernatural shows, sit-coms and evening soap operas (and combinations thereof).

Why is genre literature and genre film perfectly fine but genre television isn't?

I've never understood this argument.

Off hand I'd say because film and literature can tell a story in a single unit, without the need to do to produce episode after episode.

That and a lot of the shows they keep pumping out are the television equivalent of Twilight.


Yeah, and a lot of them aren't...

This complete dismissal of television because the majority of it is bad is like deciding never to listen to music again because Top 40 songs suck.
 
2013-06-28 12:31:25 PM

sigdiamond2000: Yeah, and a lot of them aren't...

This complete dismissal of television because the majority of it is bad is like deciding never to listen to music again because Top 40 songs suck.


I agree with you. there is a lot of fantastic television out there.

But for each Mad Men you have a bunch of Everybody Loves Raymond/King of Queens/Jim Belushi Show and so on, and a lot of networks are afraid to take risks on potentially good shows because they don't have the proven history that the formulaic sitcoms like the ones mentioned above do.
 
2013-06-28 12:37:19 PM
I don't even own a TV, you mush-minded automatons.
 
2013-06-28 12:40:00 PM

OregonVet: I don't even own a TV, you mush-minded automatons.


I own a TV ironically.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:38 PM
i2.cdn.turner.com
Cautiously optimistic.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:49 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I kind of find it amusing that this appeared in Variety.


As opposed to Life or Newsweek, you mean?

/I has a digital antenna. Eleven channels is plenty.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:57 PM

Aarontology: sigdiamond2000: Yeah, and a lot of them aren't...

This complete dismissal of television because the majority of it is bad is like deciding never to listen to music again because Top 40 songs suck.

I agree with you. there is a lot of fantastic television out there.

But for each Mad Men you have a bunch of Everybody Loves Raymond/King of Queens/Jim Belushi Show and so on, and a lot of networks are afraid to take risks on potentially good shows because they don't have the proven history that the formulaic sitcoms like the ones mentioned above do.


A lot of these shows that networks don't take risks on end up with cable networks, which is probably better for them in the long run anyway.

I'd also argue that networks are still taking more risks than they ever have. Hannibal is a good example of that. I'm not saying it doesn't have its faults, but there has certainly never been anything like it that's actually gotten to air. I don't know how a show like that even gets past the sensors, let alone gets picked up for a second season.
 
2013-06-28 12:42:25 PM
I will give NBC credit for at least renewing Hannibal. That is some damn good television right there

/and great food porn too
 
2013-06-28 12:42:43 PM

sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.

What do you consider great television?
And amend my previous list to include sports.

Breaking Bad, The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Justified, The Shield, Enlightened...

I don't know. There's been all kinds of great stuff recently. And it's not really that hard to find.


Don't know any of these except Sporanos. Were they on network stations?
 
2013-06-28 12:44:07 PM
FTAOr is it as simple as corner-office myopia, with execs knowing the train's coming but hoping the collision won't happen while they're still in the driver's seat?

It's like that, but not quite. The big networks are playing a game of chicken with each other. First one to flinch and make a break for it will take huge risks and be ridiculed. They'll set the standards for the rest of them, revealing pitfalls that all the following networks can avoid, and *may* come out ahead in the end. Of course, they could get financially weak enough to be consumed by one of the others as well.

It's going to be a major change in business model. Look back at other major industries that had to make such changes: big steel, big oil, Ma Bell. The breaking points generally made the businesses less profitable, so OF COURSE they're going to avoid them as long as possible.
 
2013-06-28 12:45:17 PM

sigdiamond2000: I'd also argue that networks are still taking more risks than they ever have. Hannibal is a good example of that. I'm not saying it doesn't have its faults, but there has certainly never been anything like it that's actually gotten to air. I don't know how a show like that even gets past the sensors, let alone gets picked up for a second season.


As other fans of "Friday Night Lights"/"Chuck"/"Community"/"Parks and Recreation"/"Hannibal" can attest, thank God NBC's in the toilet.
 
2013-06-28 12:46:19 PM

robsul82: sigdiamond2000: I'd also argue that networks are still taking more risks than they ever have. Hannibal is a good example of that. I'm not saying it doesn't have its faults, but there has certainly never been anything like it that's actually gotten to air. I don't know how a show like that even gets past the sensors, let alone gets picked up for a second season.

As other fans of "Friday Night Lights"/"Chuck"/"Community"/"Parks and Recreation"/"Hannibal" can attest, thank God NBC's in the toilet.


I have no clue why NBC struggles so much in the ratings.  They consistently have the best programming of any of the big 4 networks.
 
2013-06-28 12:47:07 PM

simplicimus: Don't know any of these except Sporanos. Were they on network stations?


None of the ones I listed were on the four major networks, but USA, FX, and AMC have all developed great shows.

I totally admit that the four major networks are almost entirely crap.
 
2013-06-28 12:48:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Hot chicks in tight outfits kicking arse?


Got any examples?

/I know you do...
 
2013-06-28 12:49:53 PM

Relatively Obscure: OregonVet: I don't even own a TV, you mush-minded automatons.

I own a TV ironically.


I only watch old videos from the Dumont era.
 
2013-06-28 12:50:03 PM

robsul82: As other fans of "Friday Night Lights"


Friday Night Lights is another example of a show that doesn't even get a sniff 30 years ago. And that's run for what, 5 seasons?

/Still need to get around to watching more than the first few episodes.
 
2013-06-28 12:51:13 PM
More cartoon horses?
 
2013-06-28 12:51:58 PM
i39.tinypic.com

I read that as a complete sentence
 
2013-06-28 12:58:47 PM
They're not entirely wrong.
 
2013-06-28 01:00:11 PM

somedude210: I will give NBC credit for at least renewing Hannibal. That is some damn good television right there

/and great food porn too


the way they frame those dinners causes more tension than pretty much any other show out there. i was super happy to see it get renewed.
 
2013-06-28 01:01:34 PM

Gosling: Relatively Obscure: OregonVet: I don't even own a TV, you mush-minded automatons.

I own a TV ironically.

I only watch old videos from the Dumont era.


Do get Ernie Kovacks?
 
2013-06-28 01:01:37 PM

Aarontology: Gee, I couldn't tell that from the 168498 shows about a fat bumbling husband, his inexplicably attractive wife, and combative in-laws.


Followed by a procedural about cops, lawyers, or doctors. Or another CSI clone which combines all of them.
 
2013-06-28 01:07:38 PM

gopher321: And what is YOUR idea of groundbreaking television subby (that doesn't violate any FCC rules)?


That's exactly what I was thinking.  There was a cable-esque show that aired on network television this year.  It was Hannibal and about 2 million people watched it.  There's only like three cable shows out there that get enough of an audience to succeed on broadcast (Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, and True Blood).  I think we just have to accept that the networks are appealing to the masses, so they can't afford to do much nichification.  They're going to continue to be put on broad shows, some better than others.
 
2013-06-28 01:07:52 PM

sigdiamond2000: simplicimus: sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.

What do you consider great television?
And amend my previous list to include sports.

Breaking Bad, The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Justified, The Shield, Enlightened...

I don't know. There's been all kinds of great stuff recently. And it's not really that hard to find.


Archer
30 Rock
Modern Family
Parks and Rec
 
2013-06-28 01:08:53 PM

somedude210: I will give NBC credit for at least renewing Hannibal. That is some damn good television right there

/and great food porn too


I would expect Hannibal to be self-limiting, like Spartacus, because we already know the ending of the Will/Hannibal relationship.
 
2013-06-28 01:15:28 PM
This is probably the funniest show on TV right now.  Way funnier than it has every right to be.  The kid's name is Dick Butkus, that's all you need to know.  I appreciate whichever TV exec greenlighted this instead of another reality show.


fanart.tv
 
2013-06-28 01:17:52 PM

sigdiamond2000: I'll repeat what I say in all of these "Kill yer TeeVee, sheeeple!" threads: Television has been better in the last 10-15 years than it ever has been in the history of the medium, by a long shot.

If you can't find great television, you're not looking.


To paraphrase a time-honored axiom:  "One man's 'great TV' is another man's "this stinks!'"  Depends on the viewer's interests.
 
2013-06-28 01:18:27 PM

TuteTibiImperes: robsul82: sigdiamond2000: I'd also argue that networks are still taking more risks than they ever have. Hannibal is a good example of that. I'm not saying it doesn't have its faults, but there has certainly never been anything like it that's actually gotten to air. I don't know how a show like that even gets past the sensors, let alone gets picked up for a second season.

As other fans of "Friday Night Lights"/"Chuck"/"Community"/"Parks and Recreation"/"Hannibal" can attest, thank God NBC's in the toilet.

I have no clue why NBC struggles so much in the ratings.  They consistently have the best programming of any of the big 4 networks.


Seriously, if I think about it, I'm probably on NBC more than I am CBS or ABC.

sigdiamond2000: robsul82: As other fans of "Friday Night Lights"

Friday Night Lights is another example of a show that doesn't even get a sniff 30 years ago. And that's run for what, 5 seasons?

/Still need to get around to watching more than the first few episodes.


Yep, 5 seasons.  AND YES YOU DO, lol.  Still miss that show terribly.
 
2013-06-28 01:18:35 PM

somedude210: I will give NBC credit for at least renewing Hannibal. That is some damn good television right there

/and great food porn too



Now there's something a network got right, although it was touch and go there for awhile. Being a Bryan Fuller show I pretty much went in only expecting one season and was pleasantly surprised.
 
2013-06-28 01:18:45 PM

rugman11: gopher321: And what is YOUR idea of groundbreaking television subby (that doesn't violate any FCC rules)?

That's exactly what I was thinking.  There was a cable-esque show that aired on network television this year.  It was Hannibal and about 2 million people watched it.  There's only like three cable shows out there that get enough of an audience to succeed on broadcast (Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, and True Blood).  I think we just have to accept that the networks are appealing to the masses, so they can't afford to do much nichification.  They're going to continue to be put on broad shows, some better than others.


I don't know, maybe I've been spoiled living in Asia, but I really found their formatting better.  Rather than dragging out shows for season after season, every show is generally a one season show with an explicit beginning and end.  I thought it made for much better writing, less artificial drug our scenarios, and tacked on plot.
 
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