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(Washington Post)   NSA head sends memo to employees, urging them not to be distracted from their vital and honorable work of spying on the American people   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 29
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2013-06-28 12:45:55 PM
3 votes:

Corvus: /I know I will get lots of insult and strawman replies from this of people shouting me down.


You damn right you'll get shouted down you government-paid traitor.

"That means no more illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary." - Senator Barack Obama, August, 2007
2013-06-28 01:34:53 PM
2 votes:
FTA: "'Let me say again how proud I am to lead this exceptional workforce, uniformed and civilian, civil service and contract personnel," he continued. "Your dedication is unsurpassed, your patriotism unquestioned, and your skills are the envy of the world.""


Um... Excuse me...

charlesekublyfoundation.org

I'd like to question their patriotism.
2013-06-28 12:54:31 PM
2 votes:
No no no, I hope your morale is terrible. Your organization is bad and you should feel bad.

NSA, TSA. Different first letter. Same uselessness.
2013-06-28 12:53:39 PM
2 votes:
I highly encourage all American citizens to piss on the NSA, DHS, and TSA, literally, and figuratively at any chance.
2013-06-28 12:51:03 PM
2 votes:
Rather than focusing on Snowden, whistleblower advocates say the focus of the controversy should be on the government surveillance programs.

Well that and the fact the government is literally outsourcing national security; Snowden wasn't a member of the NSA, he worked for a private business called Booz Allen Hamilton.
2013-06-28 12:32:56 PM
2 votes:
With emphasis in italics and bold face, he added: "We need you to focus on our primary mission of defending our nation and our allies spying on your friends, family, neighbors and everyone else in America."

/Fixed that for him.
2013-06-28 11:58:09 AM
2 votes:
The workforce "has executed its national security responsibilities with equal and full respect for civil liberties and privacy.

Well no it hasn't, and it's weird that he would blatantly say the opposite...how can he possibly put some type of meaning on his statement that would make it true?
2013-06-28 06:11:36 PM
1 votes:
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2013-06-28 04:15:38 PM
1 votes:
2013-06-28 02:26:42 PM
1 votes:

inner ted: personally, I think Skleenar, you are a bit too trusting that the government won't / doesn't already abuse this and other powers.


I'm actually pretty sure that the Gov't abuses this power.  I actually believe that the current function of the FISA court is an abuse.  One that, unfortunately, is really, REALLY tough to get an independent constitutional test applied to, given the nature of the secrecy involved.

But it's an abuse that existed long before Snowden decided he was outraged, and dates back to at least the previous administration but probably even before then.

It does little I think, to scream "TRAITOR" or "TYRANT", about these things, other than to blow off a little steam.  I think that specific revelations of concrete violations of law are needed to get direct action, or else we need to significantly change Congress's opinion on these matters.

And, of course, I believe little "a" abuses occur with some frequency--i.e. the odd agent tapping his ex-gf's e-mail or some such.  Human nature being what it is, there likely is some of this that goes around.  But I do believe that the institutional incentives of the NSA and other agencies are to discourage this sort of abuse, and that much of their internal auditing is done to target this sort of activity.
2013-06-28 01:59:50 PM
1 votes:
WhoopAssWayne:  You and many others went to the streets to protest these crimes when someone else was in office, and now you're propping them up, you piece of sh*t scumbag.

But apparently you didn't go out and protest. Or do anything else but lie there take it in your poop chute. So that begs the question....Why do you support the government illegally spying on its citizens? Why didn't you stand up and defend the Constitution, you piece of sh*t scumbag?
2013-06-28 01:33:19 PM
1 votes:

deanis: Before this "scandal", what did people think the NSA actually did? What's it like living under those rocks?


No shiat. Where was the outrage when they passed the bills to create these agencies?

Oh that's right, we were too busy being pants-wetting pussies because some "bad guys" "hate our freedoms".

farkin plebes. We shiat in our bed, now we get to lie in it.
2013-06-28 01:32:49 PM
1 votes:

Skleenar: There IS a difference.


Keep telling yourself there's a difference, dumbass. You and the other liberal scumbags are whitewashing the very crimes you once protested against, you damn well know it, and it's eating you up inside to know you're a fraud, as it damn well should. Keep whitewashing these criminals you piece of sh*t.
2013-06-28 01:25:14 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: Whatever it takes to stop the terrorists


So your talking revolution.
2013-06-28 01:18:23 PM
1 votes:

Skleenar: but this really doesn't show any gross hypocrisy on BO's part.


That most certainly is exactly what is shows, and no amount of whitewashing or astroturfing by you or anyone else will change it. You and many others went to the streets to protest these crimes when someone else was in office, and now you're propping them up, you piece of sh*t scumbag.
2013-06-28 01:15:53 PM
1 votes:

Nem Wan: You're incorrect.
Fisa court oversight: a look inside a secret and empty process
The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant


Again, there is an argument to whether or not the current FISA rules are appropriate or even Constitutional.  It feels to me that they have granted over-broad discretion to the NSA.  However, executive branch directed surveillance, when it involves US persons, is subject to laws written by the Legislative branch and overseen by the Judicial branch.

It appears that you have a problem with one of the three independent branches of the government being laxer in their interpretation of the 4th Amendment than you would like.  But this is certainly not the case of the executive operating illegal spying, at least as under the applicable laws and oversight.
2013-06-28 01:08:56 PM
1 votes:
In other words, the government's response amounts to "Trust Us, because ...  Trust Us"
2013-06-28 01:01:48 PM
1 votes:
Interesting, considering the NSA is (supposedly) only chartered to gather FOREIGN intelligence.  The FBI is supposed to handle domestic law enforcement.
2013-06-28 12:58:22 PM
1 votes:

deanis: Before this "scandal", what did people think the NSA actually did? What's it like living under those rocks?


I have no problem with a government that spies on foreigners, other governments (even "allies"), external threats etc. . If fact I expect them to do that an would consider them negligent if they did not do so.
It is the domestic spying absent probable cause and warrants I have a problem with.

I don't even have a problem with drone attacks against enemies on foreign soil. It is not like what is essentially a battlefield lends itself to due process.
2013-06-28 12:57:48 PM
1 votes:
One day, a Republican will be President again, and NSA spying will be fine.
2013-06-28 12:52:49 PM
1 votes:
"The ongoing national dialogue is not about your performance," Gen. Keith B. Alexander told NSA employees in a message this week. The workforce "has executed its national security responsibilities with equal and full respect for civil liberties and privacy. The issue is one that is partly fueled by the sensational nature of the leaks and the way their timing has been carefully orchestrated to inflame and embarrass."

Well quite frankly, you should be embarrassed for spying on innocent people. Governments can regain the respect and trust of their citizens if they stop doing illegal, immoral or embarrassing shiat with our tax dollars. For the last several years, authoritarians have been slamming us with that "if you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to hide" routine. Perhaps they should learn how to play it straight, too. And the way you accomplish that is by regaining the respect and trust of the American people.


The only way to do that is to play it straight, not lie about what you do and do what you say you'll do. You see, the thing about calling yourself a "democracy" is that occasionally, you're required to act like one. And even in a fake democracy like ours, the people should be able to get what they want once in a while.
2013-06-28 12:47:26 PM
1 votes:
I realize this stuff is all above the board and such, but I wonder from a historical perspective where this type of intrusiveness worked out well for either the people or their government.
2013-06-28 12:46:41 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: The full text of his speech is here:  http://www.nsa.gov...


Nice try, NSA.
2013-06-28 12:41:46 PM
1 votes:

lostcat: It still honestly surprises me that the "leak" was a revelation to so many people.

Maybe I'm just old and jaded.


Same. Can't believe people thought that none of any of the aspects in their life wasn't being monitored or at the very least cataloged.
2013-06-28 12:41:05 PM
1 votes:
Before this "scandal", what did people think the NSA actually did? What's it like living under those rocks?
2013-06-28 12:38:00 PM
1 votes:
"Both sides are becoming identical, what in fact is being created is an international community, a perfect blueprint for world order.
When the sides facing each other suddenly realize they are looking into a mirror, they will see this, is the patten for the future. The whole world, as the Village.
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2013-06-28 12:37:00 PM
1 votes:
It still honestly surprises me that the "leak" was a revelation to so many people.

Maybe I'm just old and jaded.
2013-06-28 12:07:21 PM
1 votes:
Wait a minute...

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2013-06-28 12:03:02 PM
1 votes:
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