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2013-06-28 02:46:23 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-28 02:56:58 PM  
How is this New Yorker cover not a violation of intellectual property rights?
 
2013-06-28 03:00:54 PM  

TimSTP: [imageshack.us image 600x793]


Now that is farking hilarious.
 
2013-06-28 03:02:48 PM  

Buttknuckle: Tom_Slick: santadog: Tom_Slick: They are not gay, they are stoners.

Can't they be both?

People who smoke a much weed as they do are A Sexual.  Too stoned for sex.

A sexual what?  Or did you mean asexual?


asexual, bad typing detected.
 
2013-06-28 03:11:09 PM  

blatz514: WippitGuud: d23: d23: WippitGuud: Gunny Highway: stonicus: Marcie is a lesbian... I don't think Patty is though, she's always had a crush on Charlie Brown...

So did Marcie

So did Linus.

He was so hung up on the Little Red Haired Girl that he didn't noticed that he could have had an all-niter that would have made Caligula blush!

Oh.. and we forgot all about Lucy.  If she isn't a tsundere I don't know who is...

Pigpen likes it dirty.

Still trying to figure out where the great pumpkin comes in...


Well, first you cut a hole in the pumpkin...
 
2013-06-28 03:12:19 PM  

JRoo: blatz514: WippitGuud: d23: d23: WippitGuud: Gunny Highway: stonicus: Marcie is a lesbian... I don't think Patty is though, she's always had a crush on Charlie Brown...

So did Marcie

So did Linus.

He was so hung up on the Little Red Haired Girl that he didn't noticed that he could have had an all-niter that would have made Caligula blush!

Oh.. and we forgot all about Lucy.  If she isn't a tsundere I don't know who is...

Pigpen likes it dirty.

Still trying to figure out where the great pumpkin comes in...

Well, first you cut a hole in the pumpkin...


I'm listening...
 
2013-06-28 03:14:21 PM  

mikefinch: Wouldn't it be more enlightened to believe that two men can live together and be friends without wanting to touch each others butts?


Yes. But then what else would people do with their spare time? Read?
 
2013-06-28 03:14:31 PM  

Researcher: Brittabot: Voiceofreason01: eeyore102:
Personally, I think Holmes being gay for Watson isn't that much of a stretch.

It makes all sorts of sense if you've never read any Sherlock Holmes

It also makes sense if you've watched any of BBC Sherlock... ;-)

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x690]

While it's a clever poke at the show and the characters they go out of their way to establish that Sherlock is a deeply flawed individual with major blindspots; Especially regarding his interaction with other people. Remember how apologetic he had to be to Molly... constantly.

TL;DR Sherlock's blind spot is himself. He doesn't get when people are into him or not.


Oh I agree. I adore the relationship between Sherlock and Watson on the BBC series. Though really, John is straight and I think Sherlock is probably asexual or very close to it (not to mention a total aspie who has no clue/desire to behave appropriately towards others).

/It's all Benedict Cumberbatch's fault - he's just so goddamned hot I can't help but envision him in sexy scenarios ;-)
//I love this thread.
 
2013-06-28 03:18:03 PM  
You know where this is all headed....

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2013-06-28 03:23:19 PM  

blatz514: Seems legit.

[helablog.com image 600x800]


But why are they old?
 
2013-06-28 03:24:24 PM  

flondrix: How is this New Yorker cover not a violation of intellectual property rights?


Because copyright isn't some omnipotent incantation that prevents any and all depiction of a copyrighted idea under any circumstances?  (At least not yet, thank goodness.) See parody.  This cover uses the fact that Bert and Ernie are culturally iconic to make a statement about current events.
 
2013-06-28 03:26:24 PM  

blatz514: WippitGuud: d23: d23: WippitGuud: Gunny Highway: stonicus: Marcie is a lesbian... I don't think Patty is though, she's always had a crush on Charlie Brown...

So did Marcie

So did Linus.

He was so hung up on the Little Red Haired Girl that he didn't noticed that he could have had an all-niter that would have made Caligula blush!

Oh.. and we forgot all about Lucy.  If she isn't a tsundere I don't know who is...

Pigpen likes it dirty.

Still trying to figure out where the great pumpkin comes in...


Linus misheard, it's actually the Great Blumpkin.
 
2013-06-28 03:42:38 PM  

Gunny Highway: mike_d85: scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?

A Mog.


farm3.static.flickr.com

Approves
 
2013-06-28 03:48:27 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Nothing in my childhood was more shocking than that episode where Big Bird cornholed Snufalufagus in that alley. His hair was all disheveled and that big trunk was just flopping around while Big Bird pounded away, slapping that furry ass and maniacally shouting, "Who are you gonna tell?" The Count in background jerking off to the whole scene is what really pushed it over the edge. "One stroke. Two strokes. Three strokes. Ahhhhhh...three strokes!"


Oh my, you have me in tears.  Hilarious. Your post ALWAYS make me laugh--hard.

Awesome to see you post I have you highlighted because of a story you told that had my stomach aching for the day after.  Never laughed that hard from a post Fark ever or since.  If I remember correctly it was a story about using not being PC and using the "R" word (retard) and you told a story of how you had a kid and you were reading Merchant of Venicewith him and he was eating crayons and the retarded kid beat up your friend.

I wish I would've favorited them.
 
2013-06-28 03:56:44 PM  
What absolute rubbish. It's disgraceful the way some people are. They have to project their own perverse fantasies onto fictional characters and do so by picking and choosing vague elements of story and character as a means to detect a subtext that only exists in their own addled brains. They are most certainly not a gay couple. That's completely absurd.

It's obvious to anyone who takes the time to look that Ernie is a paedophile and Bert molests pigeons. Completely and utterly separate from one another.
 
2013-06-28 04:04:49 PM  
The New Yorker chooses covers that garner attention.

Given the media reaction, it clearly accomplished exactly what it set out to do, so it's probably one of their best covers, regardless of accuracy or content.
 
2013-06-28 04:14:24 PM  

Brittabot: Voiceofreason01: eeyore102:
Personally, I think Holmes being gay for Watson isn't that much of a stretch.

It makes all sorts of sense if you've never read any Sherlock Holmes

It also makes sense if you've watched any of BBC Sherlock... ;-)

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x690]


They also totally lampshade that in the Hound of Baskerville episode
 
2013-06-28 04:19:40 PM  

Il Douchey: They are not gay.  Puppets don't have genitals

/Grover, however, is a scatophage


You've been shopping at the wrong puppet store.
 
2013-06-28 04:19:42 PM  

Lady Indica: MrBallou: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

I used to argue a lot with the wife about this. They are fictional characters. They don't do ANYTHING when the cameras aren't rolling, so they can't have hidden lives.

Similar discussion was had for Holmes and Watson.

No. Many fictional characters are described as having a life outside the narrative, a life that occurred before, and goes on inbetween stories (as with Holmes, etc). There's often a lot of vaguery so that people can project onto the character and better identify with them/enjoy them/understand them.

If Sherlock were gay, for example, it wouldn't really matter. His love life is only really of interest to the speculation of Watson (and sometimes others) but it's made very clear in the stories that's all secondary to his pursuits of the mind blah blah blah. So if he were boning someone outside of the narrative we see, it has no impact on the stories themselves. Non issue not important...to the story, and to the reader's understanding of the story. If someone wants to imagine him as gay, or bisexual, or hetero, or asexual... I suppose one could make arguments for it, but again...doesn't matter what he is. It may matter to a reader, but doesnt change the stories.

Bert and Ernie are puppets. They are puppets in their world too. They do not have sexuality any more than little kids do. That's the entire point. They have said that from the beginning. Bert and Ernie aren't really adults. They're not really children. They are puppets. Elmo is childlike, and treated as a child puppet...even though we never see Elmo's parents. Even though Elmo appears to live alone (except for his goldfish, who I think is named Dorothy). Some of the puppets have gender (Bert and Ernie are males) but some aren't defined. I don't think Elmo is ever defined. Big Bird wasn't I don't think when I was a kid. And that's also cool.

I'm bisexual myself, and I really get the problem of invisibility in culture. Most movies feature hetero characters (and white characters). People want to identify with positive things, and Sesame Street is a huge part of our culture, and our childhoods. But one's sexual orientation isn't a deal for the age of kids watching the show. It can be for the adults they know and have in their lives, which is why the show has addressed that and other issues with their ADULT characters.

So no they're not gay they're not anything. That being said, I still enjoy the adult humor of implying they are. But it's an unintended adult subtext, nothing more.


Elmo has parents, His fathers name is "Louie". His mother is never seen.
Granted, things dealing with Elmo and his father tend to be directto video things that function as father/son discussion things that can be special ordered.
Like the episode where Elmo's dad turns out to be a part of the reserve, and he's incameo gear and they are having a father son chat about him going off to wr
.Elmo's characters has always been a post toddler / pre "tween".thing
 
2013-06-28 04:42:04 PM  
You know who else made people declare to be a sexual orientation they are not...
 
2013-06-28 04:48:38 PM  

Supdog: Hmmm. Seems familiar. :)

Link


I knew I remembered that from a PS contest.
Good job. I would sue!
 
2013-06-28 05:05:52 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: You know who else made people declare to be a sexual orientation they are not...


c'mon stop picking on them
 
2013-06-28 05:29:43 PM  

Brittabot: Researcher: Brittabot: Voiceofreason01: eeyore102:
Personally, I think Holmes being gay for Watson isn't that much of a stretch.

It makes all sorts of sense if you've never read any Sherlock Holmes

It also makes sense if you've watched any of BBC Sherlock... ;-)

[24.media.tumblr.com image 850x690]

While it's a clever poke at the show and the characters they go out of their way to establish that Sherlock is a deeply flawed individual with major blindspots; Especially regarding his interaction with other people. Remember how apologetic he had to be to Molly... constantly.

TL;DR Sherlock's blind spot is himself. He doesn't get when people are into him or not.

Oh I agree. I adore the relationship between Sherlock and Watson on the BBC series. Though really, John is straight and I think Sherlock is probably asexual or very close to it (not to mention a total aspie who has no clue/desire to behave appropriately towards others).

/It's all Benedict Cumberbatch's fault - he's just so goddamned hot I can't help but envision him in sexy scenarios ;-)
//I love this thread.


You are a lady after my own heart. ^_^

I do agree, most likely John is straight and Sherlock is asexual. It's just fun sometimes to think there might be something more there. ^_^

I also agree that Benedict Cumberbatch is smoking hot.
 
2013-06-28 06:22:59 PM  

d23: Gunny Highway: whenIsayGO: Gunny Highway: "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."

Of course he's the boss, and whatever he says is by definition true, but the idea that they can't be gay because they're young children is a bit insulting. Sexuality doesn't come out of nowhere when you hit puberty or when you start having sex.  It would be nice if all children could see people like them reflected in children's programming.

Sure, that makes sense.  Marcy has a crush on Charlie Brown though.

"No sexuality" is kind of a hard argument for Sparky to make.  It was pretty obvious that Patty would have dropped trou and bent over a bench if Chuck just would have asked.


A threesome between CB, PP and Marci would be highly appropriate yet totally wrong.
 
2013-06-28 06:44:28 PM  

MrBallou: Similar discussion was had for Holmes and Watson.


It's really fun having that discussion with conspiracy theorists, who are fond of quoting Sherlock Holmes about "whatever remains, however improbable," as if he were not only an actual person, but a reliable authority on building collapses.
 
2013-06-28 06:49:26 PM  
i.imgur.com

Okay, that's it.

Saddle up.  We're going to HumanLand.
 
2013-06-28 07:41:43 PM  
Whether Bert and Ernie were designed to secretly be gay or not, I don't accept Sesame Workshop's bullshiat that they are "puppets" with "nothing below the waist" and that they "have no sexuality".

If that were true, there would be no heterosexual puppets.  But unfortunately for Sesame Workshop there are plenty of blatantly heterosexual puppets, including couples with children.

And the whole "it's an innocent kids show" thing is rubbish too.  It's not like sex is happening on screen.  Gay couples are no more un-innocent than straight couples, of which there are plenty on Sesame Street.  Saying stuff like that implies there is something vulgar or dirty about the mere presence of gay couples that should be kept out of kids programming.

Unthinking homophobia, it's for the kids!


Jim_Callahan: While a valid point, this is a bad example. Holmes' social life outside of the stories is explained and is an important part of the overall storyline. He essentially only interacts with Watson in a social capacity, partly from introversion and hubris and partly due to his drug issues. Watson trying to get him to quit and trying to get him to interact with people is a big part of the context for some of the later stories, the whole bit where he throws a fit because Watson is getting married is a fairly big deal in-story.


There's a very interesting article about the coded homosexual references in the Sherlock Holmes stories which I now can't find, darn it.  These things might have been obvious to the underground homosexuals at the time but the cultural references are now quite lost on us.  Particularly interesting is that Holmes and Watson fled London for reasons the author declines to explain, in 1895 when Oscar Wilde's trial threatened a lot of London's gays and many real-life gays did flee the city.

I do find it interesting people are more comfortable with the idea he might have been gay than with the idea he might have been asexual.  Being gay might be "yucky" to some, but not being interested in sex makes you basically non-human to most people.
 
2013-06-28 08:42:26 PM  
 
2013-06-28 08:46:14 PM  
Archie is NOT farking Mr. Weatherbee!!!

/What's a Nubian?
 
2013-06-28 08:58:53 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: You know who else made people declare to be a sexual orientation they are not...


Meatloaf?
 
2013-06-28 09:54:27 PM  
Next thing, you're going to tell me....


cdn.themis-media.com

No way!!!
 
2013-06-28 11:34:25 PM  
Regarding Sherlock/Watson: remember the time in which the tales were written, and the great bias toward womanhood then.

http://www.nerowolfe.org/htm/stout/home-family/BSI/Watson_was_a_woma n. pdf
 
2013-06-29 12:01:14 AM  
Gunny Highway

studebaker hoch:

Walker Gunny Highway:

They a puppets on a kids show.

They're gay puppets.

Spoiler: Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians.

Those two were never in question. "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."


I don't believe someone would be stupid enough to ask that question.
 
2013-06-29 03:50:58 AM  
TimSTP:

Holy crap! That's f*cking awesome!
 
2013-06-29 09:32:50 PM  
There isn't enough marriage on this planet to waste it on people who are actually going to be happy together.

We've passed Peak Marriage.
 
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