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2013-06-28 12:39:40 PM
Maybe there used to be some questions about their relationship, but that was before this became a regular segment on Sesame Street.

/NTTAWWT
//today's episode was NOT brought to you thanks to a generous contribution from Chick Fil A
 
2013-06-28 12:40:16 PM
I'm thinking the New Yorker is going to be gettin' sued. While I certainly agree with the sentiment expressed by the cover, the folks at the CTW/Muppets/Jim Henson estate have repeatedly denied that Bert and Ernie are gay (or even human, for that matter). Unless the artist received permission for this depiction, I'm guessing the Henson estate is not too pleased.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:23 PM

Fano: Telly was a sub


*snort* And was Herry a "bear?"

Seriously, though, Telly's one of my favorites. Herry, too.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:35 PM

MrBallou: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

I used to argue a lot with the wife about this. They are fictional characters. They don't do ANYTHING when the cameras aren't rolling, so they can't have hidden lives.

Similar discussion was had for Holmes and Watson.


There's fanfiction for that.
 
2013-06-28 12:41:43 PM
www.snopes.com
 
2013-06-28 12:41:57 PM
Gay? No.
But Bert is Evil.
 
2013-06-28 12:42:00 PM

Hawk24: I'm thinking the New Yorker is going to be gettin' sued. While I certainly agree with the sentiment expressed by the cover, the folks at the CTW/Muppets/Jim Henson estate have repeatedly denied that Bert and Ernie are gay (or even human, for that matter). Unless the artist received permission for this depiction, I'm guessing the Henson estate is not too pleased.


I'm sure this is covered under parody or something like that.
 
2013-06-28 12:42:05 PM

Lady Indica: If Sherlock were gay, for example, it wouldn't really matter. His love life is only really of interest to the speculation of Watson (and sometimes others) but it's made very clear in the stories that's all secondary to his pursuits of the mind blah blah blah. So if he were boning someone outside of the narrative we see, it has no impact on the stories themselves. Non issue not important...to the story, and to the reader's understanding of the story. If someone wants to imagine him as gay, or bisexual, or hetero, or asexual... I suppose one could make arguments for it, but again...doesn't matter what he is. It may matter to a reader, but doesnt change the stories.


While a valid point, this is a bad example.  Holmes' social life outside of the stories  is explained and  is an important part of the overall storyline.  He essentially only interacts with Watson in a social capacity, partly from introversion and hubris and partly due to his drug issues.  Watson trying to get him to quit and trying to get him to interact with people is a big part of the context for some of the later stories, the whole bit where he throws a fit because Watson is getting married is a fairly big deal in-story.

There are other stories where this isn't the case and the lead is an audience placeholder, though.  Most videogames, romance novels (well, sexual orientation is usually defined there, but actual personality and lifestyle is usually a blank), and the rest of "low" literature can get away with or even benefit from leaving some things up in the air.

//With the weird exception of pulp genres, which are rooted in literal "trash" literature.  Those run on absurdly distinctive, if sometimes unbelievable, characters.
 
2013-06-28 12:42:10 PM
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2013-06-28 12:44:20 PM

Lollipop165: Hawk24: I'm thinking the New Yorker is going to be gettin' sued. While I certainly agree with the sentiment expressed by the cover, the folks at the CTW/Muppets/Jim Henson estate have repeatedly denied that Bert and Ernie are gay (or even human, for that matter). Unless the artist received permission for this depiction, I'm guessing the Henson estate is not too pleased.

I'm sure this is covered under parody or something like that.


No more so than Pissing Calvin is.
 
2013-06-28 12:44:22 PM
I'm hungry... off to lunch!

www.longislandpress.com
 
2013-06-28 12:44:48 PM
Pluto is a dog that was outside the blast zone. Goofy was a dog that was inside the blast zone but didn't get vaporized. It'll all make sense next week when the Large Haldron Collider slips off it's track. Assuming you aren't in the blast zone, of course.
 
2013-06-28 12:44:53 PM

Lollipop165: Wizard of Oz has no homosexuality in it, but everyone understands what one means by saying someone is a "friend of Dorothy" as it is a cult classic in the LGBT community.


Jesus, you're just making this shiat up as you go along, aren't you?

Judy Garland is a huge favorite of the gay community.

Judy Garland's most famous movie was Wizard of OZ.

Calling them a "Friend of Dorothy" has nothing to do with the actual movie, they watch it because she's in it, but it's not the movie that makes you a "friend of Dorothy". It's the fan worship of Judy Garland herself. At least get it right.
 
2013-06-28 12:45:31 PM

Gunny Highway: "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."


Of course he's the boss, and whatever he says is by definition true, but the idea that they can't be gay because they're young children is a bit insulting. Sexuality doesn't come out of nowhere when you hit puberty or when you start having sex.  It would be nice if all children could see people like them reflected in children's programming.
 
2013-06-28 12:46:27 PM
I don't care about Bert and Ernie's "relationship", but I think the cover is pretty well done. If it had been some anonymous person on the internet, everyone who is a fan of gay rights would be changing their profile pic and sharing the fark out of it, but instead the magazine makes an easy target.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-28 12:46:28 PM
bert and ernie's sexuality:

api.ning.com
 
2013-06-28 12:46:48 PM

Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.


They a, they a!

/and not the string-operated kind, but the "fisty" kind, amirite?
 
2013-06-28 12:46:58 PM

whenIsayGO: Gunny Highway: "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."

Of course he's the boss, and whatever he says is by definition true, but the idea that they can't be gay because they're young children is a bit insulting. Sexuality doesn't come out of nowhere when you hit puberty or when you start having sex.  It would be nice if all children could see people like them reflected in children's programming.


Sure, that makes sense.  Marcy has a crush on Charlie Brown though.
 
2013-06-28 12:47:47 PM

Valiente: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

They a, they a!

/and not the string-operated kind, but the "fisty" kind, amirite?


Typo. Dang
 
2013-06-28 12:48:48 PM
CSB...

When I was a kid, my mom introduced me to a couple gay guys she knew.  She tried to explain it (without saying "they're gay"), something along the lines of "they like men, not women."  I thought she meant misogyny, and was really confused as to why we were going to hang out with them - and they treated Mom like an equal, and seemed pretty cool, so that made no sense.

I did know what gay was, though, and once I figured out that's what she meant I just wondered why she even bothered because who cares - they're like any other couple really, although a bit more sophisticated and intelligent than a lot of the people we knew.

/Never really thought about whether Bert and Ernie were.  Didn't matter either - they're just funny.
 
2013-06-28 12:49:13 PM
they're not gay. They're not straight. They're farking puppets who live together. That's all. Just farking stop with this stupid shiat.
 
2013-06-28 12:50:14 PM

Mikey1969: Lollipop165: Wizard of Oz has no homosexuality in it, but everyone understands what one means by saying someone is a "friend of Dorothy" as it is a cult classic in the LGBT community.

Jesus, you're just making this shiat up as you go along, aren't you?

Judy Garland is a huge favorite of the gay community.

Judy Garland's most famous movie was Wizard of OZ.

Calling them a "Friend of Dorothy" has nothing to do with the actual movie, they watch it because she's in it, but it's not the movie that makes you a "friend of Dorothy". It's the fan worship of Judy Garland herself. At least get it right.


Um, no. Just google "Wizard of Oz Gay Culture". But here's a nice gay link for you explaining the importance of the movie. Judy's portrayal of Dorothy is what helped make her a gay icon: Linky
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-28 12:50:50 PM

Gunny Highway: whenIsayGO: Gunny Highway: "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."

Of course he's the boss, and whatever he says is by definition true, but the idea that they can't be gay because they're young children is a bit insulting. Sexuality doesn't come out of nowhere when you hit puberty or when you start having sex.  It would be nice if all children could see people like them reflected in children's programming.

Sure, that makes sense.  Marcy has a crush on Charlie Brown though.


"No sexuality" is kind of a hard argument for Sparky to make.  It was pretty obvious that Patty would have dropped trou and bent over a bench if Chuck just would have asked.
 
2013-06-28 12:50:52 PM
I always wondered about Donald Duck.  You have a guy who walks around with a shirt but no pants.  Obviously a pervert.  And I always wondered about the parentage of Huey, Dewey, and Louie--nephews, my ass.  And what's with Donald Duck's speech impediment?  Too many drugs?  Hitting the bong too many times?

And then there's Santa.  Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls down chimneys a lot?  Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it?  And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...
 
2013-06-28 12:51:21 PM

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This eposide brought to you by the letter H. (NSFW)

Link
 
2013-06-28 12:51:32 PM

Psycat: underwent trans-muppet surgery,


So, is he a muppet or is he a man.?

hang on, I have an idea for a song.
 
2013-06-28 12:53:40 PM

ACunningPlan: 2 grams: Why do they have to drag Sesame street into all this?  Can't they just be puppets?

Classless Asshats.

^This.

None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

Little children - and the ones who watch Sesame St are very young kids - do not bother, nor are they particularly aware of sexual orientation; they're brains too busy figuring out a bunch of other stuff.  It's only the adults on all sides who obsess about who's "farking" whom on a children's t.v. show, and I don't know whether that's sad or ridiculous.


http://www.tvguide.com/News/Disney-Channel-Same-Sex-Couple-1066972.a sp x

Things are going to get interesting in kids TV.
 
2013-06-28 12:54:24 PM

vudukungfu: Psycat: underwent trans-muppet surgery,

So, is he a muppet or is he a man.?

hang on, I have an idea for a song.


He claims he's a fully-functional Muppet, but the SCOTUS upheld the New York Appeals Court ruling that says he has to use the humans-only bathroom.  And since he spends an hour a day with a puppeteer's hand up his butt, he has to use the bathroom a lot.
 
2013-06-28 12:54:32 PM

Psycat: And then there's Santa.  Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls down chimneys a lot?  Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it?  And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...


You don't understand Santa?

Well-known guy, wears all red, lives in a place of extreme temperature. Has a bunch of lesser minions to do his bidding. Will give you what you desire in life, provided you comply with the requisites. He even spells his name with the same 5 letters! And has claws!

IT'S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!
 
2013-06-28 12:54:42 PM
Does anyone else find it creepy that some adults are trying to push a sexual agenda on kids that are still learning how to count?
 
2013-06-28 12:54:49 PM

firesign: This movie came out in 1968, and was extremely popular.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 346x500]

Sesame Street (with a muppet cast led at that time by Bert & Ernie) premiered in 1969.
Are there seriously any more questions as to the inspiration and intention of Bert & Ernie???


bzzzt

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-28 12:54:49 PM

Psycat: I always wondered about Donald Duck.  You have a guy who walks around with a shirt but no pants.  Obviously a pervert.  And I always wondered about the parentage of Huey, Dewey, and Louie--nephews, my ass.  And what's with Donald Duck's speech impediment?  Too many drugs?  Hitting the bong too many times?

And then there's Santa.  Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls comes down chimneys a lot?  Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it?  And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...


It is funnier that way.
 
2013-06-28 12:54:50 PM

d23: Gunny Highway: whenIsayGO: Gunny Highway: "Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."

Of course he's the boss, and whatever he says is by definition true, but the idea that they can't be gay because they're young children is a bit insulting. Sexuality doesn't come out of nowhere when you hit puberty or when you start having sex.  It would be nice if all children could see people like them reflected in children's programming.

Sure, that makes sense.  Marcy has a crush on Charlie Brown though.

"No sexuality" is kind of a hard argument for Sparky to make.  It was pretty obvious that Patty would have dropped trou and bent over a bench if Chuck just would have asked.


Also, she either really needs glasses or she's pretty down with dogfarking.
 
2013-06-28 12:57:09 PM
Nothing in my childhood was more shocking than that episode where Big Bird cornholed Snufalufagus in that alley. His hair was all disheveled and that big trunk was just flopping around while Big Bird pounded away, slapping that furry ass and maniacally shouting, "Who are you gonna tell?" The Count in background jerking off to the whole scene is what really pushed it over the edge. "One stroke. Two strokes. Three strokes. Ahhhhhh...three strokes!"
 
2013-06-28 12:57:39 PM

WippitGuud: Psycat: And then there's Santa.  Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls down chimneys a lot?  Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it?  And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...

You don't understand Santa?

Well-known guy, wears all red, lives in a place of extreme temperature. Has a bunch of lesser minions to do his bidding. Will give you what you desire in life, provided you comply with the requisites. He even spells his name with the same 5 letters! And has claws!

IT'S IN REVELATIONS, PEOPLE!


OMG, YOU'RE RIGHT!  SO RIGHT I HAVE TO EXPRESS MY SHOCK IN AN ALL-CAPS 20-POINT FONT!

Dang I didn't see it before:  'SANTA' can be transposed into 'SATAN'.  I'll bet he lights his pipe with the fires of Hell!  Those elves may be cute, but those pointy ears they have are actually horns!  I think that any true Jeebus-loving Christian should declare a War on Christmas immediately!
 
2013-06-28 12:59:20 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: firesign: This movie came out in 1968, and was extremely popular.
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 346x500]

Sesame Street (with a muppet cast led at that time by Bert & Ernie) premiered in 1969.
Are there seriously any more questions as to the inspiration and intention of Bert & Ernie???

bzzzt

[upload.wikimedia.org image 516x362]


Hmmmm, same year  The Boys In The Bandwas a smash hit.  Coinkydink?

I THINK NOT!
 
2013-06-28 12:59:39 PM

Psycat: And then there's Santa. Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls down chimneys a lot? Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it? And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...


I always wondered if santa was just intended to be a polite german way of explaining their drinking culture to their kids..
 
2013-06-28 12:59:50 PM

oldfarthenry: They're g'damn puppets!
Their bodies end at the waist therefore they lack f**kable bits!
STOP SEXUALIZING BITS OF FELT, YOU PERVERTED FREAKS!


So all farkable parts are below the waist? If you say so.
 
2013-06-28 01:01:02 PM

mike_d85: scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?


Yeah....what the hell is Goofy!?
ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2013-06-28 01:01:58 PM
Wow, who knew so many people could be riled up by a cartoon featuring one of the oldest jokes about Bert and Ernie.  Well done, New Yorker.
 
2013-06-28 01:02:12 PM
I always thought they were brothers.

/shrug
 
2013-06-28 01:02:47 PM

mike_d85: You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?


Minnie's backdoor man.

That's why Mickey divorced her and had her committed, yanno.

`Cause she was farkin' Goofy.
 
2013-06-28 01:04:41 PM

brap: Hmmmm, same year  The Boys In The Bandwas a smash hit.  Coinkydink?

I THINK NOT!


IT'S ALL STARTING TO MAKE SENSE
 
2013-06-28 01:05:13 PM

LaurenAguilera: I always thought they were brothers.

/shrug


It is almost like it doesnt matter.
 
2013-06-28 01:05:24 PM
This must be a slow news period. Next week's New Yorker cover story is about the Teletubbies.
 
2013-06-28 01:05:35 PM
Its not like New Yorker covers are blatant trolls...

blog.syracuse.com
 
2013-06-28 01:06:07 PM

Lollipop165: scottydoesntknow: Lollipop165: scottydoesntknow:

Elephants aren't Republican and don't have any say in the political process. Why aren't you defending elephants from being associated with Republicans?


I wouldn't use either party's choice of animal affiliation as their "symbol". But people will make icons out of nothing just to have something to be a bunch of cheerleaders for. I'd recommend sheep and cows, but that's just me.
 
2013-06-28 01:06:10 PM

brap: My favorite Ernie bit is that he is always perturbed at being interrupted from reading some ridiculously esoteric book about pigeons or how to cook oatmeal.


sure someone has already pointed this out by now, but dude, it's Bert that reads the lame stuff.  Ernie's the fun one..
 
2013-06-28 01:06:51 PM

MrBallou: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

I used to argue a lot with the wife about this. They are fictional characters. They don't do ANYTHING when the cameras aren't rolling, so they can't have hidden lives.

Similar discussion was had for Holmes and Watson.


I beg to differ.  I worked at the CBC during a college intership.  They shot the Canadian version of Sesame street there.  When the cameras weren't rolling(and no kids were in the studio) those puppets would get up to some shenanigans.  Oh my, the language.  Sailors would blush.
 
2013-06-28 01:06:56 PM

Somaticasual: Psycat: And then there's Santa. Guy with a bright red nose who laughs hysterically and falls down chimneys a lot? Sounds like a chronic alcoholic to me--explains his big beer belly that shakes like a bowl full of jelly, doesn't it? And I heard he's a cheapskate who doesn't pay his elves enough, so they've been forced to moonlight at the Keebler factory in their off hours...

I always wondered if santa was just intended to be a polite german way of explaining their drinking culture to their kids..


I'm not sure what message those wacky Germans are sending to their kids:  Behave yourselves and put a highly-flammable evergreen with candles in your living room (Lebensraum--hah!), and a drunken fat guy whose sled is propelled by eight jet-propelled reindeer will break into your house and put really crummy wood-based toys made by eleven slave labor in your comically-oversized socks that you hang by a fire so they ignite and spread the fire to the highly-flammable evergreen and when the fire has been put out and your Haus is a pile of smoldering cinders, you can go to your neighbors' houses doing Wassailing and sing stupid songs.

With logic like that, no wonder the Germans managed to lose two world wars in a single century...

/es tut mir Leid, aber ich bin halb Deutsch-Amerikaner
 
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