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2013-06-28 12:21:35 PM  

Lollipop165: scottydoesntknow: And I'm sure Sesame Street would love to be dragged into this.

If they had suggested that Bert & Ernie were gay, then this could work, but they've vehemently denied it since day one.

Dude, they are gay icons. It's not Sesame Street that "made" them gay, its the public (particularly homosexuals) who are watching it and "decided" that. Wizard of Oz has no homosexuality in it, but everyone understands what one means by saying someone is a "friend of Dorothy" as it is a cult classic in the LGBT community.


It doesn't matter if they're gay icons or not. The show has said they are not gay and that should be reason enough to NOT drag them into this debate.
 
2013-06-28 12:22:08 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: This is bullshiat. Everyone knows B&E are casino owners. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NShgvtEro7I


I didn't know Bert was Jewish.
 
2013-06-28 12:22:27 PM  
www.monkeyclump.com
 
2013-06-28 12:22:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?


Warm water gives him erections
 
2013-06-28 12:23:15 PM  
 
2013-06-28 12:23:21 PM  
My 5 year old is going to hit the ceiling when he gets his next issue of The New Yorker in the mail - serves him right for being such a conservative douchebag.
 
2013-06-28 12:24:26 PM  
My favorite Ernie bit is that he is always perturbed at being interrupted from reading some ridiculously esoteric book about pigeons or how to cook oatmeal.
 
2013-06-28 12:25:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?


You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?
 
2013-06-28 12:25:46 PM  

studebaker hoch: Walker

Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

They're gay puppets.

Spoiler: Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians.

Those two were never in question.


"Charles M. Schulz denied that there was any truth in the rumor, saying that the characters are supposed to be very young children and they both have crushes on Charlie Brown."
 
2013-06-28 12:26:00 PM  
In other hard hitting news ABC asks the Q, what happens to British royalty dog once their baby is born.

This is why I come here... It's all so riveting!
 
2013-06-28 12:26:27 PM  

mike_d85: scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?


A dog exposed to a nuclear testing facility.
 
2013-06-28 12:26:39 PM  

mike_d85: scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?


A Mog.
 
2013-06-28 12:26:51 PM  

MrBallou: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

I used to argue a lot with the wife about this. They are fictional characters. They don't do ANYTHING when the cameras aren't rolling, so they can't have hidden lives.

Similar discussion was had for Holmes and Watson.


No. Many fictional characters are described as having a life outside the narrative, a life that occurred before, and goes on inbetween stories (as with Holmes, etc). There's often a lot of vaguery so that people can project onto the character and better identify with them/enjoy them/understand them.

If Sherlock were gay, for example, it wouldn't really matter. His love life is only really of interest to the speculation of Watson (and sometimes others) but it's made very clear in the stories that's all secondary to his pursuits of the mind blah blah blah. So if he were boning someone outside of the narrative we see, it has no impact on the stories themselves. Non issue not important...to the story, and to the reader's understanding of the story. If someone wants to imagine him as gay, or bisexual, or hetero, or asexual... I suppose one could make arguments for it, but again...doesn't matter what he is. It may matter to a reader, but doesnt change the stories.

Bert and Ernie are puppets. They are puppets in their world too. They do not have sexuality any more than little kids do. That's the entire point. They have said that from the beginning. Bert and Ernie aren't really adults. They're not really children. They are puppets. Elmo is childlike, and treated as a child puppet...even though we never see Elmo's parents. Even though Elmo appears to live alone (except for his goldfish, who I think is named Dorothy). Some of the puppets have gender (Bert and Ernie are males) but some aren't defined. I don't think Elmo is ever defined. Big Bird wasn't I don't think when I was a kid. And that's also cool.

I'm bisexual myself, and I really get the problem of invisibility in culture. Most movies feature hetero characters (and white characters). People want to identify with positive things, and Sesame Street is a huge part of our culture, and our childhoods. But one's sexual orientation isn't a deal for the age of kids watching the show. It can be for the adults they know and have in their lives, which is why the show has addressed that and other issues with their ADULT characters.

So no they're not gay they're not anything. That being said, I still enjoy the adult humor of implying they are. But it's an unintended adult subtext, nothing more.
 
2013-06-28 12:26:52 PM  

natas6.0: I rarely gargle his privates


You said "rarely".......so.......NTTAWWT
 
2013-06-28 12:27:11 PM  

Walker: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

They're gay puppets.

Spoiler: Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians.


I thought Marcie had a crush on Charlie Brown and was to weakwilled to act on it.

/shipping is the enemy
 
2013-06-28 12:27:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lollipop165: scottydoesntknow: And I'm sure Sesame Street would love to be dragged into this.

If they had suggested that Bert & Ernie were gay, then this could work, but they've vehemently denied it since day one.

Dude, they are gay icons. It's not Sesame Street that "made" them gay, its the public (particularly homosexuals) who are watching it and "decided" that. Wizard of Oz has no homosexuality in it, but everyone understands what one means by saying someone is a "friend of Dorothy" as it is a cult classic in the LGBT community.

It doesn't matter if they're gay icons or not. The show has said they are not gay and that should be reason enough to NOT drag them into this debate.


This isn't about Sesame Street's position on B&E, this is about the pubic's perception of B&E. It's symbolism.

Elephants aren't Republican and don't have any say in the political process. Why aren't you defending elephants from being associated with Republicans?
 
2013-06-28 12:28:48 PM  
I thought this was common thought.  Thought.
 
2013-06-28 12:28:56 PM  

BattleFrenchie28: Walker: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

They're gay puppets.

Spoiler: Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians.

I thought Marcie had a crush on Charlie Brown and was to weakwilled to act on it.

/shipping is the enemy


Bingo.
 
2013-06-28 12:29:22 PM  
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what what?
 
2013-06-28 12:29:23 PM  
So toddlers now have to have macho inaginary friends?
 
2013-06-28 12:29:28 PM  

BattleFrenchie28: Walker: Gunny Highway: They a puppets on a kids show.

They're gay puppets.

Spoiler: Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians.

I thought Marcie had a crush on Charlie Brown and was to weakwilled to act on it.

/shipping is the enemy


I was under the impression when I was a kid that Peppermint Patty had a crush on him even though people would describe her as the most "butch". It always seemed to me like she was teasing Charlie in a way that said "I like you".
 
2013-06-28 12:29:29 PM  

Triumph: I remember thinking as a kid that they were Siskel and Ebert.

[i.imgur.com image 219x175]


That dynamic is older than mud, but it's usually called "the odd couple" after the 1965 play and the movie/TV series that followed it.  Two friends that like each other as much because of as in spite of being opposites in several major ways is a big running theme in modern (1960s+) literature, for obvious reasons.  If the civil rights movements  hadn't spawned some major tropes about getting along with different people it would have been pretty surreal.

The way Bert and Ernie are set up, if one of them was gay the other would have to be a fundie, because of how the dynamic is supposed to play out.

//Word of god is that they aren't gay, but this is the  reason they aren't written as gay.  That and if they were in a lovers' relationship all the hitting would stop being funny puppetry silliness and start being "making light of domestic abuse".
 
2013-06-28 12:29:38 PM  

natas6.0: this is crap, I can't imagine anyone would find this interesting or newsworthy
I live with my best pal and I rarely gargle his privates


So, you're Ernie?
 
2013-06-28 12:29:41 PM  
Telly was a sub
 
2013-06-28 12:30:03 PM  
They're g'damn puppets!
Their bodies end at the waist therefore they lack f**kable bits!
STOP SEXUALIZING BITS OF FELT, YOU PERVERTED FREAKS!
 
2013-06-28 12:30:55 PM  
Of course they're gay.  They're seriously into fisting--every time I see them on TV, they've got some puppeteer's hand up their butts.  And don't get me started on Oscar the Grouch and his predilection for German Scheisse videos.

And then there's Mother Goose.  Old Woman who lives in a shoe?  Welfare queen.  And then there's rumors that Little Boy Blue Jack Horner.  And Jack falling down and breaking his crown?  Actually, Jill is physically abusive.

And then there's the dysfunctional marriage between Snow White and the Prince--she gave birth to septuplets--Whiny, Screamy, Collicky, Poopy, Icky, Stinky, and Fred.  And the Prince sits on his damned La-Z-Throne all day drinking six-packs of cheap domestic ale and watching World Jousting Federation shows.
 
2013-06-28 12:30:57 PM  

brap: My favorite Ernie bit is that he is always perturbed at being interrupted from reading some ridiculously esoteric book about pigeons or how to cook oatmeal.


People with esoteric interests are gay about 99.4% of the time.
 
2013-06-28 12:31:00 PM  
You know, being roommates and that's all is perfectly normal.
 
2013-06-28 12:32:49 PM  
Prairie Dawn has a night job as a dominatrix
 
2013-06-28 12:33:04 PM  
Maybe they're just best friends.

NTTAWWT.
 
2013-06-28 12:33:06 PM  

Lollipop165: This isn't about Sesame Street's position on B&E, this is about the pubic's perception of B&E. It's symbolism.

Elephants aren't Republican and don't have any say in the political process. Why aren't you defending elephants from being associated with Republicans?


Elephants aren't a business trying to keep viewers watching. PBS/Sesame Street has both liberal and conservative viewers and they can't afford to lose any of them by being dragged into this.
 
2013-06-28 12:33:15 PM  
Even if Bert & Ernie are gay, who's to say they're together. They sleep in separate beds.
 
2013-06-28 12:33:26 PM  

oldfarthenry: They're g'damn puppets!
Their bodies end at the waist therefore they lack f**kable bits!
STOP SEXUALIZING BITS OF FELT, YOU PERVERTED FREAKS!


Tinky Winky!


/uh ohhhhh!
 
2013-06-28 12:33:39 PM  

mike_d85: scottydoesntknow: To The Escape Zeppelin!: ACunningPlan:None of my kids ever asked me if Bert & Ernie were gay; they never asked why Donald Duck didn't wear trousers.  Or why Tinkie Winkie carried a handbag or why Little Bear's entire family wore clothes but Little Bear ran around stark naked the whole time....

I asked my niece why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants to which she replied that "he's a duck, of course he doesn't wear pants." I decided that was the perfect answer.

But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

You know, I thought Goofy was a dog, but if Pluto is a dog then what does that make Goofy?


He's what happens when you allow gays to marry.  Slippery slope...
 
2013-06-28 12:33:40 PM  
Bert and Ernie were played by human actors in the pilot that was sold to PBS.
 
2013-06-28 12:33:43 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: brap: My favorite Ernie bit is that he is always perturbed at being interrupted from reading some ridiculously esoteric book about pigeons or how to cook oatmeal.

People with esoteric interests are gay about 99.4% of the time.


I love pigeons and oatmeal.
 
2013-06-28 12:34:48 PM  

oldfarthenry: They're g'damn puppets!
Their bodies end at the waist therefore they lack f**kable bits!
STOP SEXUALIZING BITS OF FELT, YOU PERVERTED FREAKS!


Lighten up Francis, they're puppets.
 
2013-06-28 12:35:52 PM  
I'm surprised that the New Yorker would put out such a trite cover to celebrate a landmark case. Something with Stonewall would have made a lot more sense.

But I'll probably enjoy the inevitable poutrage from the fundie wackos who wouldn't be caught dead reading that lib'rul rag in the first place.
 
2013-06-28 12:36:14 PM  
Appropriating pop culture has been a gay privilege ever since Joan Crawford started wearing Groucho Marx eyebrows. If they like it, they take it.
 
2013-06-28 12:36:52 PM  
La la la la lipstick
La la la la lesbian
 
2013-06-28 12:37:38 PM  
"Hogwash! C'mon, Ernie, back me up. Wait ... no, that didn't come out right."
i1165.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-28 12:37:44 PM  
I appreciate the Washington Post dig!


/needs a spell checker
//and a  fact checker
 
2013-06-28 12:38:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PBS/Sesame Street has both liberal and conservative viewers and they can't afford to lose any of them by being dragged into this.


This has already been an issue which is why they've stated before that B&E aren't gay. Putting them on the cover or not isn't going to change people's perception of B&E as a the symbol of a long term gay couple.
 
2013-06-28 12:38:05 PM  
I'm glad the "killing off one to make it right" thing was just a rumor.
 
2013-06-28 12:38:08 PM  
Kermitpuppetgoatse.jpg
 
2013-06-28 12:38:16 PM  
... and so does Fark.
 
2013-06-28 12:38:37 PM  
THEY'RE PUPPETS FOR CHRISSAKE!!! THEY'RE NOT REAL!!!

www.inpapasbasement.com
 
2013-06-28 12:38:43 PM  
In the movie "It's a Wonderful Life", Ernie and Bert are the two taxi drivers, TSB.  Apparently, they turned gay, underwent trans-muppet surgery, and wound up on "Sesame Street" with some guy's hand up their butts.  And when they're not fisting, Bert is hanging out with terrorists like Osama bin Laden (I saw it on "Bert is Evil" so it's true), and Ernie has started a support club with Hong Kong Phooey for people with peculiar laughs...
 
2013-06-28 12:39:01 PM  
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So Bert. Now that your 'friend' is gone, you've come sniffing back here? Do you like Irony, Bert? It's an "I" word. Here's another "I" word: "I" turned you in. Hear that helicopter, Bert? It's coming for you. Even before you can get your little muppet hands on my neck, a SEAL team is going to be in this room. Whether you live or die is up to you. But if you chose to live, Bert, I can guarantee that in the very near future, you will wish you had died.

Here they are now, Bert. Careful fellows! Watch his hands! Get him. Get him good! Is he secure? Great. Now, I believe there was a reward mentioned? Oh thank you. Just doing my patriotic duty. Have a nice life, Bert. Life imprisonment, that it. See you guys! Go Navy! Thanks again.

(Picks up phone) Hey, BB it's me. Yep. They took him away. I got the money. Just you and me, my fine feathered friend. Oh I don't know. This place is dying for a makeover. Do you like marble? I'm thinking marble everywhere....
 
2013-06-28 12:39:27 PM  

ko_kyi: scottydoesntknow: But can you explain why he wears a towel around his waist whenever he gets out of the bath?

To dry off?


But water falls off him like, um, water off a duck's back.
 
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