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2013-06-28 10:53:51 AM
Origin is a farking joke

I am sorry EA, but you are not Valve. You won't dethrone Valve. You will never get their kind of numbers.
 
2013-06-28 11:04:06 AM
Money.
 
2013-06-28 11:15:47 AM
Drop it and go through Steam again, its the only way I'd ever consider purchasing your products ever again.  I don't want the Origin client and its innocent background processes scanning my HDDs periodically (it does this, the official excuse is to 'search for other EA products').  I just don't trust you EA and your products these days are garbage, all of them.  Yes, that one too and yes especially that one.

Go back to bed with Microsoft on their failed platform, you are not cut out for the PC world anymore until you fire everyone involved with every move you've made in the last six years.  Especially the devs who went along with it all.
 
2013-06-28 11:18:51 AM
I installed Origin for the BF3 beta, but promptly uninstalled it after the beta was over. I just don't like it. It's a POS, and I'm happy with Steam.

I'm kinda pissed at EA for limiting gamers to using Origin exclusively for their games. I don't want to have to manage multiple digital subscription services. EA is a bunch of greedy bastards.

Didn't buy BF3 or SimCity due to this. If they'd release on Steam, I'd pick them up today.
 
2013-06-28 11:19:37 AM

Walker: Money.


Copious amounts of money made by purchasing successful video game companies, expanding game franchises, and sports licensing every thing you can get your hands on without paying any of the actual athletes who's likeness you are using.

At the end of the article it says Wilson sold ALL his shares in EA.  Sounds like someone knows to cash out while the stock is still high.
 
Juc
2013-06-28 11:21:51 AM
That sounds completely like an empty promise to me.
I refuse to buy anything on origin, and it hasn't really hurt me any.
 
2013-06-28 11:23:14 AM
I don't get the hate against Origin. It's not Steam, but it's really not that bad. Honestly, it's one of the least offensive things about EA, and Origin is far better than GameStop's service (which has not changed that much since its ImpulseDriven days).

If you want to hate on EA, hate on them for any of the following:
-Ruining Dead Space 3 by insisting that it be an action game
-Driving Bioware's founders out of the business
-Command & Conquer's more recent titles and online game
-Almost anything EA Mobile has put out for iOS or Android
-The SimCity debacle
-Shutting down online servers for games that are two years old or less

I could go on, but that's a pretty good list to start with.

EA's main problem is that they use marketing research to focus on features and branding, but they've traditionally been terrible at understanding the user experience and the passion of their core customers. They're a little humbler going into the next generation than they've been for the last two (the PS2/Xbox/GC era was really their high point), but they aren't accountable to gamers. They're accountable to Wall Street.
 
2013-06-28 11:26:48 AM

NostroZ: At the end of the article it says Wilson sold ALL his shares in EA. Sounds like someone knows to cash out while the stock is still high.


Yea, that would be a bad sign to anybody when one of the top men doesn't even have enough faith in the stock to hold onto it.
 
2013-06-28 11:32:52 AM
I bought ME3 via Amazon via Origin, but I then torrented the shiat out of two full copies...for security.

Where is your DRM now?

/stopped playing 15 minutes in to take up another Skyrim playthrough.
//NO SPOILERS
 
2013-06-28 11:33:23 AM

secularsage: I don't get the hate against Origin. It's not Steam, but it's really not that bad.


and I'll sort of agree with you, if it existed in a vacuum all on its own its kind of a decent service.  However:  'not that bad' is not exactly going to sell me on something as a replacement or an addition to my existing experience.  We gamers need to stop settling for 'not that bad' when it comes to crap that gaming companies try to make us put up with.  Fark that, boycott those assholes until they reneg and until that point nothing of value was lost.  Its yet another account to create and tie to myself and its run by a company who's online expertise & capabilities are highly questionable at this point, it offers me access to shiat I used to just access through my existing account with steam and its controlled by a company who's getting more and more notorious about openly pissing off their customers because they think they can get away with it.

I have no positive incentive to want to use this platform, 'really not that bad' yes, 'desirable in any way' no.  A company needs to do more then poorly copy existing platforms and then try to funnel their customers into it, in this case its actually damaging their sales and due to all the other and agreeably stupid things EA is doing that you mentioned, I think they're dying and good farkin riddance.
 
2013-06-28 11:40:07 AM
Does anyone know how much Valve charges to have a game on Steam?
 
2013-06-28 11:42:48 AM

secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business


Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.
 
2013-06-28 11:43:18 AM

Walker: Money.




This.
"Focusing on the players" is still about cashing in on us. Like it or not, they've gotta get paid to keep the developers going. So everything origin does is about securing the Benjamin's.

/why I was actually rooting for digital licenses on x1 was the hope they could prevent publishers from farking up the scene with things like origin.
/better to have drm managed by the console maker than the publishers.
 
2013-06-28 12:11:27 PM
Shareholders
 
2013-06-28 12:13:52 PM
Origin has some products available on Steam ( I know the Sims3 series is there).  On how much it costs, Developers have to sign a NDA about their contract with steam, but it is rumored to be about 30% of sales.

Article I found about Steam's dealings (which are the most friendly) vs others:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/10/12/the-steamy-issue-of-digit al -distribution/

/keep in mind the article is almost 4 years old...
 
2013-06-28 12:40:27 PM
If EA wants to make more money, the should just release their whole catalog on steam.  I wonder how much more in PC EA would of had if Battlefield 3 was released on Steam?  I understand that money is the bottom line for not forking over money to Steam, but EA can make up for it in selling more volume.
 
2013-06-28 12:46:26 PM
control.

/origin sucks
 
2013-06-28 12:46:30 PM
I would probably own a few EA games if they were sold on Steam.
 
2013-06-28 12:52:21 PM

Gunderson: Origin has some products available on Steam ( I know the Sims3 series is there).  On how much it costs, Developers have to sign a NDA about their contract with steam, but it is rumored to be about 30% of sales.

Article I found about Steam's dealings (which are the most friendly) vs others:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/10/12/the-steamy-issue-of-digit al -distribution/

/keep in mind the article is almost 4 years old...


Right, its the older EA games before they decided they wanted their cake & consumption of it, anything new from EA isn't going to show up on there, Sim3s DLCs being an exception and probably due to some contract between EA and steam prior to EA's head-up-ass maneuver of exclusive orifice.  Someone mentioned some shovelware company that was bought by EA also still adds new shovels of $3 crap on steam as well and I'm going to guess its from a similar prior agreement only that new content.
 
2013-06-28 01:00:35 PM

Chongo79: Does anyone know how much Valve charges to have a game on Steam?


30%
 
2013-06-28 01:31:31 PM

Luminiferous Aether: I bought ME3 via Amazon via Origin, but I then torrented the shiat out of two full copies...for security.

Where is your DRM now?

/stopped playing 15 minutes in to take up another Skyrim playthrough.
//NO SPOILERS


Mordin kills Dumbledore.
 
2013-06-28 01:32:35 PM
N4LG4s:  I wonder how much more in PC EA would of had if Battlefield 3 was released on Steam?

Not much. Publishing wasn't that much of a problem with BF3; it was composition and EA were the ones who  farked it up and destroyed what would have been a great game.
 
2013-06-28 02:35:04 PM

Luminiferous Aether: I bought ME3 via Amazon via Origin, but I then torrented the shiat out of two full copies...for security.

Where is your DRM now?

/stopped playing 15 minutes in to take up another Skyrim playthrough.
//NO SPOILERS


Play until you get to the giant beam of light and turn the game off. It ends their. You tried to save the universe and you did more than anyone imagined. You united all the people of the universe behind you and you got closer than any being before you. It is a honorable death. A worthy end of the road for all involved.

Seriously, turn it off right there.
 
2013-06-28 03:01:08 PM

tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.


How do you figure that?  I felt their leaving was because Bioware had suffered consumer backlash from their last round of high-profile games (ME3, DA2, etc.) being crap for one reason or another.  Those crap games are EA's fault.
 
2013-06-28 03:03:57 PM

Jereco1: Chongo79: Does anyone know how much Valve charges to have a game on Steam?

30%


Considering the sheer volume of games under the EA umbrella, I can't blame them for trying to create a service mirroring steam to keep money in their own hands. That said, I'm not going to use it because having multiple 'library' type systems that don't play friendly together just makes things  less organized for end users.  I don't want all my games scattered through a bunch of different services.  I want them organized in one place.
 
2013-06-28 03:06:40 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.

How do you figure that?  I felt their leaving was because Bioware had suffered consumer backlash from their last round of high-profile games (ME3, DA2, etc.) being crap for one reason or another.  Those crap games are EA's fault.


Easy, they didn't think those games were crap - certainly not Mass Effect 3 - and were fed up with the abuse their company was taking from a bunch of loud idiots on the internet?

At least EA rushing Dragon Age 2 out the door had something to do with that game being, well, rushed.  EA had jack shiat to do with anything anyone disliked about Mass Effect 3.

"Here's this thing we worked on and we're really proud of it!" - Doctors
"fark YOU WHERES MY GOOD MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!" - fans, for <i>months</i>
 
2013-06-28 03:15:36 PM

NostroZ: sports licensing every thing you can get your hands on without paying any of the actual athletes who's likeness you are using.


Funny thing about that...
The Madden Curse Kinda hard not to be superstitious when this crap happens...
 
2013-06-28 03:16:05 PM

tdpatriots12: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.

How do you figure that?  I felt their leaving was because Bioware had suffered consumer backlash from their last round of high-profile games (ME3, DA2, etc.) being crap for one reason or another.  Those crap games are EA's fault.

Easy, they didn't think those games were crap - certainly not Mass Effect 3 - and were fed up with the abuse their company was taking from a bunch of loud idiots on the internet?

At least EA rushing Dragon Age 2 out the door had something to do with that game being, well, rushed.  EA had jack shiat to do with anything anyone disliked about Mass Effect 3.

"Here's this thing we worked on and we're really proud of it!" - Doctors
"fark YOU WHERES MY GOOD MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!" - fans, for <i>months</i>


The ending of Mass Effect 3 was created by the head writer and, unlike all other elements of the game, underwent no editorial peer review. It was the idea of a single individual who did not allow any examination by objective third parties to establish whether the elements therein were logically consistent with the rest of the game's story and setting. The ending also flatly contradicted several statements previously issued by the game developers, including the claim that multiplayer would not be required to see all available single-player game content and the claim that the ultimate outcome of all decisions would be established.

Criticism of the game ending was entirely deserved.
 
2013-06-28 03:24:04 PM

tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.


we all agree EA are blood sucking ticks, buti blame bioware for bioware's failures
 
2013-06-28 03:53:13 PM

tdpatriots12: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.

How do you figure that?  I felt their leaving was because Bioware had suffered consumer backlash from their last round of high-profile games (ME3, DA2, etc.) being crap for one reason or another.  Those crap games are EA's fault.

Easy, they didn't think those games were crap - certainly not Mass Effect 3 - and were fed up with the abuse their company was taking from a bunch of loud idiots on the internet?

At least EA rushing Dragon Age 2 out the door had something to do with that game being, well, rushed.  EA had jack shiat to do with anything anyone disliked about Mass Effect 3.

"Here's this thing we worked on and we're really proud of it!" - Doctors
"fark YOU WHERES MY GOOD MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!" - fans, for <i>months</i>


You should read up on it. The ME3 ending was completely un supervised. They allowed the head writer to craft it without input or oversight or even reading from anyone else.

Plus, if you want me to buy your product, make a product I like. Thanks.
 
2013-06-28 04:33:55 PM

Dimensio: tdpatriots12: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: tdpatriots12: secularsage: -Driving Bioware's founders out of the business

Uh, if anyone is responsible for that, it's consumers.

How do you figure that?  I felt their leaving was because Bioware had suffered consumer backlash from their last round of high-profile games (ME3, DA2, etc.) being crap for one reason or another.  Those crap games are EA's fault.

Easy, they didn't think those games were crap - certainly not Mass Effect 3 - and were fed up with the abuse their company was taking from a bunch of loud idiots on the internet?

At least EA rushing Dragon Age 2 out the door had something to do with that game being, well, rushed.  EA had jack shiat to do with anything anyone disliked about Mass Effect 3.

"Here's this thing we worked on and we're really proud of it!" - Doctors
"fark YOU WHERES MY GOOD MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!" - fans, for <i>months</i>

The ending of Mass Effect 3 was created by the head writer and, unlike all other elements of the game, underwent no editorial peer review. It was the idea of a single individual who did not allow any examination by objective third parties to establish whether the elements therein were logically consistent with the rest of the game's story and setting. The ending also flatly contradicted several statements previously issued by the game developers, including the claim that multiplayer would not be required to see all available single-player game content and the claim that the ultimate outcome of all decisions would be established.

Criticism of the game ending was entirely deserved.


Easy there, Hoss.  Bioware fanboys don't like reason and logic, it makes them cough.
 
2013-06-28 05:32:28 PM
I'm still pissed at how crappy SW:TOR was, compared to how good it could have been and almost was.  Hadn't really been much of a Bioware consumer before that.  Less likely to be much of one now.
 
2013-06-28 08:51:08 PM
I have recently installed Origin and uPlay so I could access games I got via AMD/ATI "Never Settle" bundles. The co-exist fine, but honestly, Steam is the ecosystem I spend any amount of non-gaming time in.

Origin and uPlay are "me too" systems and it shows.

The one thing about EA's Origin that pisses me off right now is DarkSpore - which I got for my son. It is unplayable. We CANNOT get it working, even with their help. Apparently it incorporates some magical mix of online CD-key registrations that are impossible to navigate to activate the game and enable gameplay. It is installed through Origin, and it simply does not work.

That sort of thing doesn't happen on Steam.
 
2013-06-28 09:56:22 PM
I'd really like to see the actual numbers EA has for pre and post Origin release and the Steam Exodus. Their claim of 30 million or some ridiculous number sounds like total bullshiat.
 
2013-06-28 09:59:15 PM

N4LG4s: If EA wants to make more money, the should just release their whole catalog on steam.  I wonder how much more in PC EA would of had if Battlefield 3 was released on Steam?  I understand that money is the bottom line for not forking over money to Steam, but EA can make up for it in selling more volume.


EA = egotistical control freaks. They have the idea that they will make just as much when selling through Origin. It is also easier for them to nickel and dime you to death. Good luck with that, EA... Battlefield 3 is the last Origin-mandatory game I will every buy, and I have heard similar sentiments from many people.
 
2013-06-29 01:41:16 AM

LesserEvil: I have recently installed Origin and uPlay so I could access games I got via AMD/ATI "Never Settle" bundles. The co-exist fine, but honestly, Steam is the ecosystem I spend any amount of non-gaming time in.

Origin and uPlay are "me too" systems and it shows.

The one thing about EA's Origin that pisses me off right now is DarkSpore - which I got for my son. It is unplayable. We CANNOT get it working, even with their help. Apparently it incorporates some magical mix of online CD-key registrations that are impossible to navigate to activate the game and enable gameplay. It is installed through Origin, and it simply does not work.

That sort of thing doesn't happen on Steam.


It does happen on rare occasions on Steam, but then Valve will often reverse the sale if you have that much trouble.
 
2013-06-29 02:33:50 AM

ajgeek: I'd really like to see the actual numbers EA has for pre and post Origin release and the Steam Exodus. Their claim of 30 million or some ridiculous number sounds like total bullshiat.


origin logins are semi-required for some of their mobile games, like The Simpsons: Tapped Out, so that probably bolsters the numbers quite a bit,
 
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