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2013-06-28 10:07:24 AM  
"I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God's law,"

Wow. I didn't realize Pa. had become a theocracy.
 
2013-06-28 10:14:54 AM  
Discussing a decision rendered by our highest court is a violation of God's law?

I really need to study my Bible more closely.  Maybe that's a footnote somewhere.
 
2013-06-28 10:15:17 AM  
I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.
 
2013-06-28 10:19:30 AM  

damageddude: Wow. I didn't realize Pa. had become a theocracy.


No, it's just a standard Moronocracy.
 
2013-06-28 10:19:53 AM  
Uh, pubs. Hate to break it to you, but God's laws are not the laws of the land. If they were, working on Sunday, mouthing off to your dad, and saying you'd like to have your neighbor's car would be jailable offenses.
 
2013-06-28 10:19:58 AM  
At least under sharia law, the costumes and snacks will be more interesting.

You can probably tell the level of corruption of a state by checking which one requires the purchase of a 12-pack of a single brand of beer or nothing at all.
 
2013-06-28 10:23:14 AM  
I like his statement "I put my hand on the bible and swore to uphold the constitution, not the other way around".

God's law has no place in America.  Give it up - the constitution is a document of reason, by man - not inspiration, by God.
 
2013-06-28 10:24:03 AM  
 Daryl Metcalfe

Based on a quick search, this guy appears to have sponsored both a "Birther bill" and an Arizona-style immigration enforcement bill.  So, no surprise here, really.
 
2013-06-28 10:26:51 AM  

stoli n coke: Uh, pubs. Hate to break it to you, but God's laws are not the laws of the land. If they were, working on Sunday Saturday, mouthing off to cursing your dad, and saying you'd like to have your neighbor's car would be jailable offenses.


Study it out. Those first two are capital offenses, too (death by stoning).
 
2013-06-28 10:30:00 AM  

BitwiseShift: You can probably tell the level of corruption of a state by checking which one requires the purchase of a 12-pack of a single brand of beer or nothing at all.


24-pack. You can buy singles up to 192 oz at a time, but only from bottle shops or bars. The whole thing baffled me the first time I tried to buy beer there.
 
2013-06-28 10:31:20 AM  

JerseyTim: I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.


And ironically, it is people like that who are turning others off of religion.
 
2013-06-28 10:31:26 AM  
I hope one day the Supreme Court rules on cotton blends.
 
2013-06-28 10:32:15 AM  
I have an aunt that decided several decades ago that she would not refer to herself as Christian despite holding very orthodox Christian beliefs, and the schmucks like those described in this article are the reason why she has disavowed that title.
 
2013-06-28 10:32:43 AM  

JerseyTim: I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.


I try to look for the silver lining in things like this.  This was unbelievably unamerican, yes, but it was also very blatantly and publicly unamerican.  In the long run, things like this likely help Sims/Dems/marriage equality in PA more than if he had been able to make a speech on the floor of the PA House.
 
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2013-06-28 10:39:09 AM  

El_Perro: JerseyTim: I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.

I try to look for the silver lining in things like this.  This was unbelievably unamerican, yes, but it was also very blatantly and publicly unamerican.  In the long run, things like this likely help Sims/Dems/marriage equality in PA more than if he had been able to make a speech on the floor of the PA House.


This is only if most americans can stop being distracted by shiat like Paula Deen and Justin Beeber and, then, be smart enough to understand what is happening.  I don't have much hope on either count.
 
2013-06-28 10:41:43 AM  
I really had those Shaira loving towel headed Islamic motherfarkers ... wait this was a white Christian in a US state legislature? Well I hate them Old Testament Jesus farking Christian motherfarkers too.
 
2013-06-28 10:42:18 AM  
I should send this article to my sister who is in the "Muslims calling for Sharia law are bad, but Christians doing the same doesn't actually happen" this link. I've seen more Christians calling for Canon Law than Muslims calling for Sharia Law.
 
2013-06-28 10:42:56 AM  
Fundie nutjobs?

In my state?

I guess it's more likely than I think.

/western PA scares me
 
2013-06-28 10:45:58 AM  
The old joke about Pa. is absolutely true.

What's between Philly and Pittsburgh?  Kansas.

/Philly native
 
2013-06-28 10:48:39 AM  

theknuckler_33: The old joke about Pa. is absolutely true.

What's between Philly and Pittsburgh?  Kansas.

/Philly native


Don't be silly.  The Amish and Mennonites are way more progressive than Kansas.
 
2013-06-28 10:48:52 AM  

NeverDrunk23: JerseyTim: I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.

And ironically, it is people like that who are turning others off of religion.


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2013-06-28 10:51:55 AM  
not being from the area i tend to forget what i see here about how ass backwards parts of PA are. next time you are pointing and laughing at my part of the world reflect on where this happened.
 
2013-06-28 10:59:40 AM  
Leviticus and the Pauline epistles promote slaves to obey their masters. I guess criticizing slavery is a violation of God's law too. As is promoting equality for women, freedom of religion, freedom not to work on the Sabbath, freedom to wear blended fabrics...
 
2013-06-28 11:00:06 AM  

Curious: next time you are pointing and laughing at my part of the world reflect on where this happened.


In your state house in your capital.  Which is to say, the embodiment of all the citizens of the state.  If you can't police your own, you deserve scorn
 
2013-06-28 11:01:46 AM  
PA is going to be Red at the State level for a very, very long time.  There might be a Dem governor after Corbett, but the legislature isn't going to flip any time soon.

PA is very similar to my home state of Illinois, where the Chicago politicians and the downstaters are more or less split along part lines.  Philly and Pittsburg will keep PA blue in the major elections, but outside of there, the state goes deep red pretty quickly.  Those who live in the more rural parts of the state love to stick it to Philly and Pittsburg when they have a chance.

The idiots that get elected from Pennsyltucky can be frightening, but at least their influence is limited to this state.
 
2013-06-28 11:02:34 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Fundie nutjobs?

In my state?

I guess it's more likely than I think.

/western PA scares me


Hey now. Let's not say things we can't take back.
 
2013-06-28 11:04:41 AM  
Holy fark, Pennsylvania.
 
2013-06-28 11:07:12 AM  

damageddude: Wow. I didn't realize Pa. had become a theocracy.


Fartbongo was not kidding when he said they cling to their god and guns. The middle of PA is often referred to as Pennsyltucky. Many of the folks that live out there are hardcore fundies who are about as smart as a rock.
 
2013-06-28 11:07:28 AM  

Famous Thamas: PA is going to be Red at the State level for a very, very long time.  There might be a Dem governor after Corbett, but the legislature isn't going to flip any time soon.

PA is very similar to my home state of Illinois, where the Chicago politicians and the downstaters are more or less split along part lines.  Philly and Pittsburg will keep PA blue in the major elections, but outside of there, the state goes deep red pretty quickly.  Those who live in the more rural parts of the state love to stick it to Philly and Pittsburg when they have a chance.

The idiots that get elected from Pennsyltucky can be frightening, but at least their influence is limited to this state.


Pittsburgh, but otherwise, you are spot on.  I love my city, and even Philly only when it comes to political support, but the rest of the state is scary as fark-all.
 
2013-06-28 11:09:59 AM  

Famous Thamas: PA is going to be Red at the State level for a very, very long time.  There might be a Dem governor after Corbett, but the legislature isn't going to flip any time soon.

PA is very similar to my home state of Illinois, where the Chicago politicians and the downstaters are more or less split along part lines.  Philly and Pittsburg will keep PA blue in the major elections, but outside of there, the state goes deep red pretty quickly.  Those who live in the more rural parts of the state love to stick it to Philly and Pittsburg when they have a chance.

The idiots that get elected from Pennsyltucky can be frightening, but at least their influence is limited to this state.


Aren't most states like this? Here in Washington the urban areas assure that we have Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor, but the legislature tends red. The state is politically unmanageable as a result.
 
2013-06-28 11:10:02 AM  
"I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God's law," Metcalfe said.

I believe I speak for all non-head-up-ass Americans when I say, f*ck you, Mr. Metcalfe. F*ck you sideways with a rusty, spiked club.
 
2013-06-28 11:19:11 AM  

damageddude: "I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God's law,"

Wow. I didn't realize Pa. had become a theocracy.


PA is Pennsyltucky except for Philly and Pittsburgh and SOME of the suburbs of each. And Penn State but not the surrounding State College.

//lived in PA for 20 years.
 
2013-06-28 11:20:29 AM  
Before I even opened this article I knew Daryl Metcalfe was somehow involved.
 
2013-06-28 11:21:57 AM  

Famous Thamas: PA is going to be Red at the State level for a very, very long time.  There might be a Dem governor after Corbett, but the legislature isn't going to flip any time soon.

PA is very similar to my home state of Illinois, where the Chicago politicians and the downstaters are more or less split along part lines.  Philly and Pittsburg will keep PA blue in the major elections, but outside of there, the state goes deep red pretty quickly.  Those who live in the more rural parts of the state love to stick it to Philly and Pittsburg when they have a chance.

The idiots that get elected from Pennsyltucky can be frightening, but at least their influence is limited to this state.


I don't know about that. The make-up isn't so heavily in favor of the GOP. Just 5 seats in the senate and about 10 in the house would flip both and there are at least that many seats in just the Philly suburbs that are conceivably in play.

I'm not saying that I'm counting on it in 2014 or anything, but I don't know about it being in GOP hands for a 'very, very' long time.
 
2013-06-28 11:24:16 AM  
"I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of [Allah] has said, what [Allah] has said, and just open rebellion against [Allah's] law," Metcalfe said.
 
2013-06-28 11:26:47 AM  
"God's law" is just "religious asshole's law".
 
2013-06-28 11:28:36 AM  

JerseyTim: I know I should be numb to this by now, but this is so unbelievably unamerican that I am genuinely shocked.


This is what happens when you try to play nice with fundies instead of fighting back.

i204.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-28 11:29:54 AM  

coeyagi: damageddude: "I did not believe that as a member of that body that I should allow someone to make comments such as he was preparing to make that ultimately were just open rebellion against what the word of God has said, what God has said, and just open rebellion against God's law,"

Wow. I didn't realize Pa. had become a theocracy.

PA is Pennsyltucky except for Philly and Pittsburgh and SOME of the suburbs of each. And Penn State but not the surrounding State College.

//lived in PA for 20 years.


Can't comment on Pittsburgh, but I'd say most of the Philly suburbs are not of the Pennsyltucky form.  Though I suppose it depends on how you're defining suburbs.  Most of the Republican voting areas are of the white upper-class variety (or the ones that think they are).
 
2013-06-28 11:33:53 AM  
There are times when I feel like the higher cost of living in the Boston area might justify moving back home to the Philly area.   But then I see stories like this and I remember why I'm enjoying life much better up here, costs be damned.
 
2013-06-28 11:51:32 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: There are times when I feel like the higher cost of living in the Boston area might justify moving back home to the Philly area.   But then I see stories like this and I remember why I'm enjoying life much better up here, costs be damned.


Chester County is still chockablock full of Quakers and Amish.  If you stick close to Philly it's not that bad.  Plus the gun laws are awesome.
 
2013-06-28 12:01:13 PM  
I'll just leave this here:

Pennsylvania Constitution Article I, Section 1:  All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

Pennsylvania Constitution Article I, Section 3:  All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; no man can of right be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship or to maintain any ministry against his consent; no human authority can, in any case whatever, control or interfere with the rights of conscience, and no preference shall ever be given by law to any religious establishments or modes of worship.

Granted, references to Almighty God are in the Pennsylvania Constitution, but that in and of itself doesn't negate people's rights.  In fact, I'd say PA Constitution Article I Section 3 says the people have the right to choose not to worship Almighty God due to the wording of it.
 
2013-06-28 12:14:04 PM  

navyjeff: BitwiseShift: You can probably tell the level of corruption of a state by checking which one requires the purchase of a 12-pack of a single brand of beer or nothing at all.

24-pack. You can buy singles up to 192 oz at a time, but only from bottle shops or bars. The whole thing baffled me the first time I tried to buy beer there.


The whole thing STILL baffles me and I grew up there.
 
2013-06-28 12:20:30 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Can't comment on Pittsburgh, but I'd say most of the Philly suburbs are not of the Pennsyltucky form. Though I suppose it depends on how you're defining suburbs. Most of the Republican voting areas are of the white upper-class variety (or the ones that think they are).


Pittsburgh's suburbs are more conservative than Philly's suburbs. Pittsburgh itself is less a liberal city than it is a Democrat city, and it's made up mostly of old time labor/blue dog Democrats. The suburbs have given the Commonwealth some real nut bag Republicans though (including Rick Santorum), and the legislature has successfully gerrymandered the districts so that Democratic districts are nearly 100% Democrats and Republican districts are 60/40 GOP.
 
2013-06-28 12:21:12 PM  

raerae1980: navyjeff: BitwiseShift: You can probably tell the level of corruption of a state by checking which one requires the purchase of a 12-pack of a single brand of beer or nothing at all.

24-pack. You can buy singles up to 192 oz at a time, but only from bottle shops or bars. The whole thing baffled me the first time I tried to buy beer there.

The whole thing STILL baffles me and I grew up there.


PA wants you to be sober or drunk off your ass. There's no in between.
 
2013-06-28 12:22:41 PM  

BMulligan: Aren't most states like this? Here in Washington the urban areas assure that we have Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor, but the legislature tends red. The state is politically unmanageable as a result.


Effectively so, but that split is not always so clearly 'urban/rural' split.  This is most notable in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and eastern Iowa.  Check out a 2012 election map some time.  Lots of really rural counties of under 5000 people that went for Obama.  The most virulent conservatives (and this includes Michelle Bachmann's riding) are in 'da burbs'.  Suburban Minneapolis, suburban Milwaukee, etc.

Even in the crazy red states, it's HOA-living hour-long-commute IKEA-people who are driving the march to the right.  There aren't enough really-rural people to swing major elections anyway.
 
2013-06-28 12:28:52 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Can't comment on Pittsburgh, but I'd say most of the Philly suburbs are not of the Pennsyltucky form


I can.   We, also, are not of the Pennsyltucky form.   I'd say once you left Allegheny County, though, it's fair game.
 
2013-06-28 12:30:30 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Pittsburgh's suburbs are more conservative than Philly's suburbs


Lawnchair: BMulligan: Aren't most states like this? Here in Washington the urban areas assure that we have Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor, but the legislature tends red. The state is politically unmanageable as a result.

Effectively so, but that split is not always so clearly 'urban/rural' split.  This is most notable in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and eastern Iowa.  Check out a 2012 election map some time.  Lots of really rural counties of under 5000 people that went for Obama.  The most virulent conservatives (and this includes Michelle Bachmann's riding) are in 'da burbs'.  Suburban Minneapolis, suburban Milwaukee, etc.

Even in the crazy red states, it's HOA-living hour-long-commute IKEA-people who are driving the march to the right.  There aren't enough really-rural people to swing major elections anyway.


Really?   Has it changed that much in the past decade?   Don't recall it being that conservative.

/from West Mifflin
 
2013-06-28 12:32:37 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Pittsburgh's suburbs are more conservative than Philly's suburbs


Er, that got screwy.    My above comment was meant for this....
 
2013-06-28 12:36:50 PM  

BMulligan: Famous Thamas: PA is going to be Red at the State level for a very, very long time.  There might be a Dem governor after Corbett, but the legislature isn't going to flip any time soon.

PA is very similar to my home state of Illinois, where the Chicago politicians and the downstaters are more or less split along part lines.  Philly and Pittsburg will keep PA blue in the major elections, but outside of there, the state goes deep red pretty quickly.  Those who live in the more rural parts of the state love to stick it to Philly and Pittsburg when they have a chance.

The idiots that get elected from Pennsyltucky can be frightening, but at least their influence is limited to this state.

Aren't most states like this? Here in Washington the urban areas assure that we have Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor, but the legislature tends red. The state is politically unmanageable as a result.


Depends on the state. Oregon seems to be pretty died-in-the-wool Blue. I lived in Upstate NY and it seemed pretty liberal, but it could vary. MA seems very very liberal.
 
2013-06-28 12:36:56 PM  
"Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between" - James Carville
 
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