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2013-06-28 10:35:39 AM
It's a private company run by Christians.  May be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're legally allowed to do all this given their private status.

\is it too early to call them the Chick-Fil-A of the arts & crafts world?
 
2013-06-28 10:55:50 AM

FriarReb98: It's a private company run by Christians. May be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're legally allowed to do all this given their private status.


Ah, yes, the "private companies don't have to obey laws that apply to private companies" exemption.
 
2013-06-28 10:59:31 AM

kronicfeld: FriarReb98: It's a private company run by Christians. May be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're legally allowed to do all this given their private status.

Ah, yes, the "private companies don't have to obey laws that apply to private companies" exemption.


Hence the words "may be wrong."  Not up on law, or most things that require thought this morning.
 
2013-06-28 11:03:56 AM
What if the Hobby Lobby was run by Scientologists or Christian Scientists who don't believe in modern medicine at all?
 
2013-06-28 11:08:56 AM
I'd like three RC helicopters, some miniature trees, and eternal salvation please.
 
2013-06-28 11:09:32 AM

FriarReb98: It's a private company run by Christians.  May be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're legally allowed to do all this given their private status.

\is it too early to call them the Chick-Fil-A of the arts & crafts world?


If a healthcare plan is part of ones pay package then can a company, private or otherwise, dictate what prescription medicine is covered for employees?
 
2013-06-28 11:10:25 AM
Corporations are Christian Scientists, my friend.
 
2013-06-28 11:11:38 AM
Gah. One of the local car dealerships in my area is trying to do that.

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Car-Dealer-Heading-to-Court-over- Co ntroversial-Health-Care-Law--213077131.html

Considering Mr Holland is of an advanced age, I'm sure he doesn't fight over the Viagra coverage.
 
2013-06-28 11:11:39 AM
Ever meet a grown "man" who spends most of his free time building models?   I really doubt that kind of guy is engaging in any type of sex, recreational or otherwise.
 
2013-06-28 11:12:26 AM
Health insurance is part of an employee's compensation package just like a paycheck. Should orthodox Jews be allowed to prohibit their employees from buying pork with the money they're paid?
 
2013-06-28 11:13:26 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like three RC helicopters, some miniature trees, and eternal salvation please.


Hobby Lobby doesn't sell RC toys and such, for the record.
 
2013-06-28 11:13:37 AM
Religous freedom is being able to force others to adhere to the precepts of your religion! Sounds a little Orwellian.

We have standard care and patient privacy for a reason... health care is not an acceptable way to try to twist people's arms with your religion.
 
2013-06-28 11:15:41 AM
"We believe in objective Christian morality, which is why we do horrible things to our employees in order to make more money"
 
2013-06-28 11:16:01 AM
Their supporters are unkempt, overweight tools.

IOW Hobby Lobby lobby slobby, blobby knobbies
 
2013-06-28 11:16:31 AM

vernonFL: What if the Hobby Lobby was run by Scientologists or Christian Scientists who don't believe in modern medicine at all?


Last I knew, the CS Monitor and other organizations within the Christian Science church offer medical benefits to their employees- because it's both the legal and moral thing to do. Denying your employees something because you don't believe in/use it or believe it's immoral has less to do with any real religious beliefs and far more about being controlling asshats.
 
2013-06-28 11:16:58 AM
At first I was ok with this, then I realized... So if they can start the ball rolling on privately-held companies restricting WHAT KIND of medical/dental benefits employees receive, well.. That's not just birth control, folks. That means they're opening the doors to allow companies to decide whether or not to cover, specifically, diabetic supplies, chemotherapy, prosthesis, psychosomatic drugs, etc, etc, etc.
 
2013-06-28 11:17:37 AM

FriarReb98: It's a private company run by Christians.  May be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they're legally allowed to do all this given their private status.

\is it too early to call them the Chick-Fil-A of the arts & crafts world?


Can you legally ask applicants if they are Christian? No?  Can you fire someone for not believing in the same God in the same way as you? No? Can you discriminate against those employees of different faiths than yours? No?

Then, this company has no right to issue religious edicts on employee behavior.
 
2013-06-28 11:18:25 AM
It seems like a fine opportunity for a "Christian" insurance provider to come up with a plan that excludes those coverages.
 
2013-06-28 11:18:26 AM
This is why I shop at Micheals or Jo-Ann's ETC.
 
2013-06-28 11:18:39 AM
I see that no one has yet offered props to subby for his headline, so I'll do it.....

\+1
 
2013-06-28 11:19:21 AM
We pay our employees in bread and fish. If it was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for them!
 
2013-06-28 11:19:28 AM
The only thing in Hobby Lobby that isn't made in China are the employees (maybe).
 
2013-06-28 11:19:57 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Health insurance is part of an employee's compensation package just like a paycheck. Should orthodox Jews be allowed to prohibit their employees from buying pork with the money they're paid?


Is the government requiring them to buy pork for their employees?

// really wish health insurance was more independent of employment - yet another WWII throwback
 
2013-06-28 11:20:13 AM
Does Hobby Lobby only hire Christians? Why would they be allowed to force their religion on employees if not.
 
2013-06-28 11:20:14 AM
You know what? I hope they succeed, if only so we can ditch the whole employer-provided healthcare and move over to single-payer. Let's just join the rest of the first world.
 
2013-06-28 11:20:39 AM
This is generally where me and the libertarian crowd diverge.

"I dont want to pay for things I dont believe in!" Sure that's all well and good bu you don't have any business in what people are spending money on.  Just know that they are gladly and happily using your benefits.
 
2013-06-28 11:20:49 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Their supporters are unkempt, overweight tools.

IOW Hobby Lobby lobby slobby, blobby knobbies


Woah, woah, woah... I'm overweight and (at the moment) unkempt and even *I* think Hobby Lobby is run by morans and dickwads.
 
2013-06-28 11:21:02 AM

Fissile: Ever meet a grown "man" who spends most of his free time building models?   I really doubt that kind of guy is engaging in any type of sex, recreational or otherwise.


So you think Hobby Lobby is going insure its customers?
 
2013-06-28 11:21:15 AM
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Neddy doesn't believe in insurance. He considers it a form of gambling
 
2013-06-28 11:21:42 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Can you legally ask applicants if they are Christian? No?  Can you fire someone for not believing in the same God in the same way as you? No? Can you discriminate against those employees of different faiths than yours? No?

Then, this company has no right to issue religious edicts on employee behavior.


This. And they've lost my business.
 
2013-06-28 11:22:55 AM

vernonFL: What if the Hobby Lobby was run by Scientologists or Christian Scientists who don't believe in modern medicine at all?


Blood transfusions are different!!!!

//not really.
 
2013-06-28 11:24:45 AM
No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby.  If you don't share their values then work somewhere else.  I'm sure there is an exemption where you can still get your abortion pills for free direct from the government.
 
2013-06-28 11:25:26 AM
TFA: "Should orthodox Jews be allowed to prohibit their employees from buying pork with the money they're paid?"

Apparently so.  Hobby Lobby seemingly has legal ground to sue to issue company chit instead of money, to insure they don't *feel* complicit in one of their employees maybe, possibly spending money on one vice or another.  Why, with standard US dollars, an employee might buy alcohol and drive drunk!  Or they might buy a weapon with which they could outright murder another person.  Or, apparently worse, pay for medical school and some day become a women's doctor who offers birth control and family planning!  Better make them live in company housing too.  Just to be sure.

/ and when Islamic businesses use these new-found privileges to force their female employees to cover up, it will just be cited as evidence that Islam is bad, rather than evidence that their position is regressive and they hypocrites.
 
2013-06-28 11:25:44 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like three RC helicopters, some miniature trees, and eternal salvation please.


On top of all the other reasons to dislike Hobby Lobby, they're badly misnamed.  Their connection to "hobbies" is that they carry some arts and crafts supplies.  There's already a perfectly good term for that: "arts & crafts."  Calling what they carry "hobby" supplies is annoyingly misleading for those of us who think of "hobbies" as things like RC helicopters and HO-scale trains.

It would be like if I opened a chain of stores called "The Body Builder's Locker" in which I carried hair-care supplies: because you want to build up your hair's body, right?  That's funny and clever, isn't it?  Except that there would be a line of young, muscle-bound men going inside my store and walking out again a few minutes later confused and disappointed.  And that would be really pointless, as I already have a bedroom for that.
 
2013-06-28 11:25:45 AM
As a private christian company they shouldn't have to pay taxes, either, since they don't really rely on the satanic government for anything. But they really should stop using US currency and instead pay in bibles, or holy cards, or jesus juice.
 
2013-06-28 11:26:15 AM
Businesses should not be allowed an exception to a law that violates their beliefs. By that same logic, owners who believe that abortion for any reason is wrong should not have to cover abortions that are necessary to preserve the health or life of the mother, owners who are Jehovah's Witnesses should not have to provide insurance that includes blood transfusions and owners of the Christian Science belief should not have to provide any medical coverage at all.
 
2013-06-28 11:26:41 AM
If these turds win this hideous battle, then I would like to declare myself and all other united states citizens exempt from the Patriot act, as it infringes upon our constitutional right of FREEDOM!!!!!!
 
2013-06-28 11:26:58 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Health insurance is part of an employee's compensation package just like a paycheck. Should orthodox Jews be allowed to prohibit their employees from buying pork with the money they're paid?


So this! Imagine a company in the US owned by Anti-vaxers who lobby for an exemption to covering vaccines.

This is a HUGE slippery slope. Employers need to keep out of people's homes!
 
2013-06-28 11:27:01 AM
So it is illegal for them to deny you employment based on your own religious beliefs, but it is perfectly legal for them to foist their religious beliefs on you.  What a country!
 
2013-06-28 11:27:38 AM
My religion demands I smoke weed every day before I go to work. I'm being persecuted!
 
2013-06-28 11:30:03 AM

Fissile: Ever meet a grown "man" who spends most of his free time building models?   I really doubt that kind of guy is engaging in any type of sex, recreational or otherwise.


I know one.  He has a wife and two sons.  I'm pretty sure there was sex at some point.

But really, couldn't you hate gays or fat people or some other group the normal bigots despise?  People who like model trains?  Seriously?
 
2013-06-28 11:30:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It seems like a fine opportunity for a "Christian" insurance provider to come up with a plan that excludes those coverages.


All insurers provide such policies.  But large employers cannot buy them unless they're part of a narrowly defined "religious objectors" group.  Expanding that group is what this case and others like it are all about.
 
2013-06-28 11:30:21 AM

ciberido: "arts & farts & crafts."


www.vh1.com
 
2013-06-28 11:31:25 AM
whataconceptblog.files.wordpress.com

Hobby Lobby's attorney?
/saw it on his law blog
 
2013-06-28 11:32:20 AM
1. Start a religion that does not believe in any medicine or insurance.
2. Start a company does not offer any medical insurance (or any insurance for that matter) and include the religion's values in the corporate charter.
3. Sue someone so that don't need to offer insurance for religious reasons (since corporation are people after all).
4. ...
5. Profit!

Oh, wait, someone might have already thought of this one...
 
2013-06-28 11:32:34 AM

ciberido: Calling what they carry "hobby" supplies is annoyingly misleading for those of us who think of "hobbies" as things like RC helicopters and HO-scale trains.


They used to ... that was a very long time ago. I think they probably figured they needed to compete with Jo-Ann's and Michael's. I used to get those model rockets at Hobby Lobby when I was littler, put them together and go over to the park to shoot them off.
 
2013-06-28 11:32:39 AM
Universal.

farking.

Healthcare.
 
2013-06-28 11:32:48 AM
Will they also require them to tithe 10% of their paycheck to the Christian church?
 
2013-06-28 11:34:06 AM
Since gluttony (obesity) is a sin, deny everyone heart disease related treatments.

/that'll learn 'em.
 
2013-06-28 11:34:49 AM

Diener: No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby.  If you don't share their values then work somewhere else.  I'm sure there is an exemption where you can still get your abortion pills for free direct from the government.


Nobody forced Rosa Parks to take the bus, either.
 
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