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(Politico)   What can World War Z teach us about pandemics? Besides the obvious that a Pixar movie prequel will always kick its ass   (politico.com) divider line 75
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2013-06-28 09:15:16 AM  
A lot more if it had followed the book!
 
2013-06-28 09:16:55 AM  
Get to Madagascar quickly before President shuts everything down?
 
2013-06-28 09:22:12 AM  
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2013-06-28 09:23:25 AM  

UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!


IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.
 
2013-06-28 09:25:02 AM  

EvilEgg: Get to Madagascar quickly before President shuts everything down?


Definitely this.
 
2013-06-28 09:25:10 AM  
A family friendly cartoon movie made more money than a zombie flick? The hell you say.
 
2013-06-28 09:25:35 AM  
Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad
 
2013-06-28 09:26:28 AM  
It also shows that our security is so high, that dangerous diseases are kept in unsecure cabinets at room temperature.  Man.  I'd feel unsafe if this movie was an accurate reflection of safety standards for the CDC.  Instead of a movie based on a book written by a guy who knows in his heart and soul that there will be dead rising some year down the road and they will eat you.
 
2013-06-28 09:28:17 AM  
A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?
 
2013-06-28 09:30:22 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad


Yeah that whole part reeked of being-nice-and-friendly will not work, but being isolationist-soulless-totalitarians will (the show implied Israel failed by being decent, whilst North Korea succeeded by forcibly removing everyone's teeth.)
 
2013-06-28 09:30:50 AM  
It taught me that if you are in a safe zone, don't let Brad Pitt in.  Things will go to shiat in about 20 min.
 
2013-06-28 09:31:41 AM  

oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?


According to the book, you're going with Zed. The colonies will be sticking with Zee.
 
2013-06-28 09:33:07 AM  
Get me and my supplies to the warehouse in the sticks, 3 days after everything hits the fan.

/Don't forget to destroy the stairs.
 
2013-06-28 09:35:09 AM  

thurstonxhowell: oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?

According to the book, you're going with Zed. The colonies will be sticking with Zee.


It could go either way. The book was written by a yank (Mel Brooks kid, no less) so maybe it should be "Zee" with respect to the author.
 
2013-06-28 09:35:16 AM  
That when movie studios butcher source material, they deserve to get eaten by zombies?
 
2013-06-28 09:36:46 AM  
Oh my! Everything can be cured! Did they even mention the Big Pharm sections of the book? Where a fake 'vaccine' for African Rabies gets tossed about? Probably not, but I'm not spending my money on this mess to find out.
 
2013-06-28 09:37:35 AM  
When you spend $150 million making a movie and then after seeing the finished product you decide to junk the last 40 minutes, rewrite it and re-shoot it (and spend another $50 million), you know your movie is in serious trouble. There are so many things wrong with this movie you would be hard pressed to list them all.
 
2013-06-28 09:37:38 AM  

oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?


(Canadian) I've referred to it as "Zed" in speech the time I talked about that CGI abortion.
 
2013-06-28 09:38:49 AM  

ConConHead: Oh my! Everything can be cured! Did they even mention the Big Pharm sections of the book? Where a fake 'vaccine' for African Rabies gets tossed about? Probably not, but I'm not spending my money on this mess to find out.


As a rule, if it was in the book, it's not in the movie.
 
2013-06-28 09:41:16 AM  
thurstonxhowell
oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?

According to the book, you're going with Zed. The colonies will be sticking with Zee.


There is so much FAIL with this comment.....
 
2013-06-28 09:43:21 AM  

d23: UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!

IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.


The parts of the book that were filmable would not be possible to reproduce in a credible way - like the Battle of Yonkers. I understand the points he was making, but it's really the least-credible part of the book, and that includes the notion of zombies to begin with.
 
2013-06-28 09:44:35 AM  

oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?


I generally call things by what the author calls them. Except in the case of the pronunciation of "gif" - it's a goddamn hard-g.
 
2013-06-28 09:45:19 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad


No doubt.  If Brad had just changed things up a little in the movie, maybe we could have had peace in Middle East.  So close....so close.
 
2013-06-28 09:47:33 AM  

d23: UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!

IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.


Perhaps as a "documentary" mini-series done in flashbacks?
HBO could handle it.
 
2013-06-28 09:47:45 AM  

Two Minutes for Trolling: thurstonxhowell
oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?

According to the book, you're going with Zed. The colonies will be sticking with Zee.

There is so much FAIL with this comment.....


Yea, cause NATO uses Zulu not Zed.  However World War Zulu doesn't sound too good.
On the plus side I am sure there is going to be even more zombie products.  like shoes and hatchets.
 
2013-06-28 09:52:03 AM  

Ricardo Klement: oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?

I generally call things by what the author calls them. Except in the case of the pronunciation of "gif" - it's a goddamn hard-g.


Yep. "Graphics" starts with a hard g. The author was a putz.
 
2013-06-28 09:53:45 AM  

fireclown: It taught me that if you are in a safe zone, don't let Brad Pitt in.


Why not? Would that change it from a safe zone into....

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

something else?
 
2013-06-28 09:59:27 AM  

NightOwl2255: ConConHead: Oh my! Everything can be cured! Did they even mention the Big Pharm sections of the book? Where a fake 'vaccine' for African Rabies gets tossed about? Probably not, but I'm not spending my money on this mess to find out.

As a rule, if it was in the book, it's not in the movie.


Very this.
 
2013-06-28 10:01:33 AM  
Besides the obvious that a Pixar movie prequel will always kick its ass

This is such a juvenile mentality.
 
2013-06-28 10:03:27 AM  
WW-3... Z
In this case it's Zee, not only because the author is American but the next logical name in our world wars would be WW-3, but since it's zombies it's WW-Zee. 3 rhymes with zee. Then end.

//not sure if I want to see this movie
 
2013-06-28 10:07:11 AM  
I thought they made a damn good zombie movie based on a spectacular book
There was no way to get it all, so they just put hints and stuff into it.
Interesting idea for the north korea side to take the precaution they did.
 
2013-06-28 10:07:18 AM  

Langdon_777: IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad

Yeah that whole part reeked of being-nice-and-friendly will not work, but being isolationist-soulless-totalitarians will (the show implied Israel failed by being decent, whilst North Korea succeeded by forcibly removing everyone's teeth.)


WTF? in the book, when they went into N Korea because there was literally no contact of any kind with anyone coming in or out of that country, they discovered that the Norks had built a massive underground tunnel system, and the entire population of N Korea went underground... when they opened a massive steel door entry into the tunnels, they unleashed millions of zombies all at once....

So glad I am not wasting my money on this stupid movie...
 
2013-06-28 10:21:35 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad


In the book, Israel was one of the few nations that came out better on the other side of the Zombie War.  So, of course, in the movie, they get overrun and eaten because of Islam.

I swear, retarded monkeys could have made a better adaptation of that book.
 
2013-06-28 10:25:23 AM  

CeroX: Langdon_777: IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad

Yeah that whole part reeked of being-nice-and-friendly will not work, but being isolationist-soulless-totalitarians will (the show implied Israel failed by being decent, whilst North Korea succeeded by forcibly removing everyone's teeth.)

WTF? in the book, when they went into N Korea because there was literally no contact of any kind with anyone coming in or out of that country, they discovered that the Norks had built a massive underground tunnel system, and the entire population of N Korea went underground... when they opened a massive steel door entry into the tunnels, they unleashed millions of zombies all at once....

So glad I am not wasting my money on this stupid movie...


I'm assuming you've read the book, is it worth the read? I've heard conflicting reports on it.

Also, I've been wanting to read it for a few years now, I hate that I'm looking like a trend follower if I read it now.
 
2013-06-28 10:25:57 AM  
I don't know, I really think they could have made the book into a movie, they would have had to pass over several people stories, the more boring ones, but they could have done it starting off as an interview with each person, then fading into the flashback... Start with the patient zero story, include (in no particular order since i can't remember exactly what order they were in): Japanese Kid who ended up with the samurai sword, ship captain, yonkers, south africa shanty town, the reality TV story just to name a few, they could have been small short stories, and if they wanted brad pitt, he could have been the reporter/interviewer/narrator... It could have been gritty, it could have been fantastic... what they got appears to be a giant undead turd in the fish bowl...
 
2013-06-28 10:27:02 AM  

natas6.0: Interesting idea for the north korea side to take the precaution they did.


Probably the best part of the movie.  It was the kind of batpoop crazy thing NK is infamous for.  And I loved the CIA agents smile.  It gave a shakey story at least a bit of credibility.
 
2013-06-28 10:29:42 AM  

oldfarthenry: A question for Commonwealth countries (sit down, Princess 'merikuh - it's not always about you):
Are we calling this film `World War Zed or Zee'?


Canadian here. My friends and I have all been going with "Zed."
 
2013-06-28 10:31:06 AM  

Infernalist: In the book, Israel was one of the few nations that came out better on the other side of the Zombie War. So, of course, in the movie, they get overrun and eaten because of Islam.


I literally almost walked out at that point
 
2013-06-28 10:31:39 AM  

bearcats1983: I'm assuming you've read the book, is it worth the read? I've heard conflicting reports on it.

Also, I've been wanting to read it for a few years now, I hate that I'm looking like a trend follower if I read it now.


Yeah, i really enjoyed, it, it's one of those books that can be read while doing other stuff, because it's a collaboration of basically short stories. It's hard to see the traditional story, the protagonist, the 3 acts and what not, but it is there, you just have to realize the protagonist is the human race...

I recommend reading both "World War Z" and "The Zombie Survival Guide"

ZSG is a little rough to read, it deals with a lot of medical terms, and you can really see all the research that went into it. But you really get a good idea how a zombie virus could mutate from another virus like rabies... and it helps supplement WWZ with other pseudo-science
 
2013-06-28 10:32:26 AM  

CeroX: Langdon_777: IdBeCrazyIf: Orthodox Jews and Palestinians, not usually allies, sing together, recognizing that pathogens don't respect borders or nationalities, and that we are all in this together.

Yeah and in a sick and twisted message it also is what does them in, great job promoting unity there Brad

Yeah that whole part reeked of being-nice-and-friendly will not work, but being isolationist-soulless-totalitarians will (the show implied Israel failed by being decent, whilst North Korea succeeded by forcibly removing everyone's teeth.)

WTF? in the book, when they went into N Korea because there was literally no contact of any kind with anyone coming in or out of that country, they discovered that the Norks had built a massive underground tunnel system, and the entire population of N Korea went underground... when they opened a massive steel door entry into the tunnels, they unleashed millions of zombies all at once....

So glad I am not wasting my money on this stupid movie...


...what?  In the book, they literally don't know what happened to the North Koreans.  They just turned around at their posts at the DMZ, marched into their barracks, and were never seen again.  The last time they tried to send a drone (or aircraft, I can't remember) over the DMZ to look around, it got a SAM from an automated system shot at it.  With so many other problems in the world, they decided "Fark it" and left finding out what happened to the Norks for some time in the future.

That they all went into some kind of giant underground tunnel system was a theory brought up, but they literally did not know for certain.
 
2013-06-28 10:32:49 AM  
I liked the movie, but agree it should have been called something else.  There wasn't really a single scene from the book in the movie, not to mention the way they start to fight back is totally different.  You just have to go in expecting no similarity to the book.
 
2013-06-28 10:34:54 AM  
What can World War Z teach us about pandemics? Besides the obvious that a Pixar movie prequel will always kick its ass

Brad Pitt running and shooting in different countries can solve everything?
 
2013-06-28 10:36:46 AM  
That there was a brilliant film called "Contagion" that did it ever so much better, with an incredible ensemble cast, and demonstrated how much more horrifying a group of scared humans are than the fastest-running modern zombie horde?
 
2013-06-28 10:40:17 AM  

Ricardo Klement: d23: UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!

IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.

The parts of the book that were filmable would not be possible to reproduce in a credible way - like the Battle of Yonkers. I understand the points he was making, but it's really the least-credible part of the book, and that includes the notion of zombies to begin with.



I think it was pretty credible when you look at it from the perspective of the U.S. in the book...one what hasn't been over-saturated with zombie lore.  Yeah, if this were to happen for real in today's world, such a spectacle would not occur given that we *know* to shoot zombies in the head.

The Battle of Yonkers on the screen would have been epic (or could have been made so if filmed/written correctly).  There was a viral image going around for a while that kind of illustrated this.
 
2013-06-28 10:42:29 AM  
World War Z definitely had some issues that came up during production, but the idea that it's a box office turd or bomb somehow is ridiculous.  Sure, it came in second, but it set the record for the second highest second place opening ever.  It also came in significantly higher than it was originally tracking it, plus it's Brad Pitt's highest opening weekend for a movie ever.  It's pretty much guaranteed to make $140 to $150 million domestically at this point.  Pretty much the only thing it has going against it financially is the cost of the third act reshoots, but it appears at this point that the movie will ultimately be profitable (Hollywood accounting not withstanding.)  That's not to say it's actually a good movie, but from a money making stand point, it doesn't appear to be a failure.
 
2013-06-28 10:52:59 AM  
The weird thing about this adaptation is that it still leaves room for a good WWZ movie.  In fact the very end of the movie was kind of an homage to what I really liked about the book, which was examining how a zombie war would play out in different environments.  At the end we see (I think) Spaniards luring Zack into a soccer stadium, and a truly badass shot of possibly millions of bodies being moved around by bulldozers into a giant meat landfill.  This movie gave a rough sketch of what was going on, and they could drill down and do some vignettes later on.  I would love to see a ginormous Yonkers movie, a small scale story about the decimations in the Ukraine, or the story of that downed pilot.

And again, for the Reddiker plan,  I would love to see it told as a one man show as a monologue.  And here is your Reddiker:
blog.ctnews.com
Max Von Motherloving Sydow.  Great actor, still in great shape, accented english.  They could get his accent more South Ifrican in a few weeks because he's awesome like that.  I really want to see a good Reddiker Plan movie.
 
2013-06-28 11:03:40 AM  

fireclown: The weird thing about this adaptation is that it still leaves room for a good WWZ movie.  In fact the very end of the movie was kind of an homage to what I really liked about the book, which was examining how a zombie war would play out in different environments.  At the end we see (I think) Spaniards luring Zack into a soccer stadium, and a truly badass shot of possibly millions of bodies being moved around by bulldozers into a giant meat landfill.  This movie gave a rough sketch of what was going on, and they could drill down and do some vignettes later on.  I would love to see a ginormous Yonkers movie, a small scale story about the decimations in the Ukraine, or the story of that downed pilot.

And again, for the Reddiker plan,  I would love to see it told as a one man show as a monologue.  And here is your Reddiker:
[blog.ctnews.com image 600x421]
Max Von Motherloving Sydow.  Great actor, still in great shape, accented english.  They could get his accent more South Ifrican in a few weeks because he's awesome like that.  I really want to see a good Reddiker Plan movie.


In my head, I cast Malcolm McDowell as Reddiker, but von Sydow is an excellent choice, as well.
 
2013-06-28 11:09:10 AM  

fireclown: I would love to see a ginormous Yonkers movie, a small scale story about the decimations in the Ukraine, or the story of that downed pilot.


The pilot story was the absolute best story in that book.  When they announced a movie, I was thinking that there is no way they are going to be able to capture that segment and make it true to the book.  That is silver lining with the current movie not lining up with the book - they would have inevitably screwed that story..  This should be a cable series or mini-series.
 
2013-06-28 11:16:57 AM  

UberDave: Ricardo Klement: d23: UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!

IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.

The parts of the book that were filmable would not be possible to reproduce in a credible way - like the Battle of Yonkers. I understand the points he was making, but it's really the least-credible part of the book, and that includes the notion of zombies to begin with.


I think it was pretty credible when you look at it from the perspective of the U.S. in the book...one what hasn't been over-saturated with zombie lore.  Yeah, if this were to happen for real in today's world, such a spectacle would not occur given that we *know* to shoot zombies in the head.

The Battle of Yonkers on the screen would have been epic (or could have been made so if filmed/written correctly).  There was a viral image going around for a while that kind of illustrated this.


You're thinking of it the wrong way.  The United States, when it wants to put on a military show, does not put men on the ground in bulky gear; they blow a lot of shiat up.  Remember "Shock and Awe"?  It's been a constant for decades if not centuries that when the US military is showing off for the media they use a LOT of high explosives.  And a several-mile-long stream of targets that does not break and just keeps walking in a slow straight line is an artilleryman's dream.
 
2013-06-28 11:17:05 AM  

UberDave: Ricardo Klement: d23: UberDave: A lot more if it had followed the book!

IMHO it was one of the best zombie books ever written... and totally unfilmable.  They should have called the movie by some other name.

The parts of the book that were filmable would not be possible to reproduce in a credible way - like the Battle of Yonkers. I understand the points he was making, but it's really the least-credible part of the book, and that includes the notion of zombies to begin with.


I think it was pretty credible when you look at it from the perspective of the U.S. in the book...one what hasn't been over-saturated with zombie lore.  Yeah, if this were to happen for real in today's world, such a spectacle would not occur given that we *know* to shoot zombies in the head.

The Battle of Yonkers on the screen would have been epic (or could have been made so if filmed/written correctly).  There was a viral image going around for a while that kind of illustrated this.


The problem is that the book's zombies are shamblers, and while I understand the ingredients he was using, I disagree that, as it became clear they were not stopping them, that it would have quite the disaster it turned into.

This ain't 1861. The public ain't getting anywhere NEAR something like that, and without the public, it's hard to imagine the military being unable to withdraw.

/Seriously, when's the last time authorities let the public be that close to something cool? Now add in that people might see relatives being dismembered by a DU round, and tell me again that authorities would even remotely allow it.
 
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