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(CBS News)   The Pentagon is spending three-quarters of a billion dollars on new aircraft for people that don't know how to fly or take care of them   (cbsnews.com) divider line 53
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2013-06-28 09:45:10 AM
Good thing we're flush with cash.
 
2013-06-28 09:54:23 AM
why are we buying russian aircraft for the afghans? at first i thought that it was because they had some people with more experience with this equipment becuase they fought with the russians in the 80s... but apparently they dont' have any experienced people or even people to train. i understand that russian equipment is often easier to operate and maintain... is that it?
 
2013-06-28 09:59:29 AM

kbronsito: why are we buying russian aircraft for the afghans? at first i thought that it was because they had some people with more experience with this equipment becuase they fought with the russians in the 80s... but apparently they dont' have any experienced people or even people to train. i understand that russian equipment is often easier to operate and maintain... is that it?


Maybe it's because they can buy 20 Russian aircraft for the same amount of money as one American?
 
2013-06-28 10:31:40 AM

BizarreMan: kbronsito: why are we buying russian aircraft for the afghans? at first i thought that it was because they had some people with more experience with this equipment becuase they fought with the russians in the 80s... but apparently they dont' have any experienced people or even people to train. i understand that russian equipment is often easier to operate and maintain... is that it?

Maybe it's because they can buy 20 Russian aircraft for the same amount of money as one American?


since when has cost-effectiveness played a part on our weapons procurments?
 
2013-06-28 11:26:08 AM
How hard can it be?

www.blackbookmag.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-28 11:27:05 AM
we have no money to help the homeless, though...
 
2013-06-28 11:28:14 AM
Arming the Afghanis. This will end well.
 
2013-06-28 11:29:12 AM
Makes sense. Aircraft that fly and maintain themselves are damned expensive.
 
2013-06-28 11:31:46 AM

d23: we have no money to help the homeless, though...


We could buy aircraft for the homeless!
 
2013-06-28 11:32:53 AM
Per the article.. The pentagon was restricted from using fiscal year 13 funds to buy from the Russian supplier, so they are using FY12 funds.  I see this alot around the DOD, the attitude that if there is money left in the pot, it has to be spent before it expires.

I am willing to bet someone a Coke that the funding they are using to buy the choppers are expiring at the end of September (the federal fiscal year stars 1 October), and the IG finding will pretty much skuttle the plan to buy them.
 
2013-06-28 11:35:00 AM
Obviously we should stay in Afghanistan another decade until they can get this whole thing figured out.
 
2013-06-28 11:35:13 AM
Which is why we need to defund NPR. Priorities, people.
 
2013-06-28 11:39:43 AM
What's the problem? We just send over a few hundred technical advisers to train them, maybe a division or so of troops to support them...

Oh
 
2013-06-28 11:39:52 AM
So business as usual.
 
2013-06-28 11:40:59 AM
Good, fark the poor in your own backyard America.
 
2013-06-28 11:41:05 AM

BizarreMan: kbronsito: why are we buying russian aircraft for the afghans? at first i thought that it was because they had some people with more experience with this equipment becuase they fought with the russians in the 80s... but apparently they dont' have any experienced people or even people to train. i understand that russian equipment is often easier to operate and maintain... is that it?

Maybe it's because they can buy 20 Russian aircraft for the same amount of money as one American?


Don't forget rugged, and less technical.

They are like what a deuce and a half is to a NATO Humvee.

They also work great at the high altitudes there. Some choppers, surprisingly, don't.
 
2013-06-28 11:44:36 AM
Max Landsberger: Since the 1984 oil discovery in New Guinea, we have sold the Bu!kais hill tribesmen 20 of our S-24 fighters. At $21 million per unit, that's $252 million. This has started a local arms race between the Bu!kais, and their local neighbors the Kla!klalas. Now the Kla!klalas also happen to be sitting an a large amount of oil. And now the Kla!klalas want to buy 20 of our new X-24/X-Ray Ultra Pursuit fighters for a total of $480 million.
Pete Helmes: What are the chances of war between them?
Bob Nixon: Very good sir. Our spare parts replacement contracts could be very lucrative.">Pete Helmes: Who trains their flight personnel?
Max Landsberger: Well, as near as we can assess it... well... they don't actually fly the planes. They sort of roll them down hills... crashing them into each other.
Scott Dantley: Personally, I think that it's a shameful waste of incredible kill power.
Pete Helmes: Make the deal.
Bob NixonScott Dantley: Absolutely!

They can just roll them down hills at each other.
 
2013-06-28 11:45:40 AM

blatz514: How hard can it be?


I still laugh every time I see that.
 
2013-06-28 11:46:15 AM
It's not real.  It's FIAT currency, people.  Today that buys helo's, tomorrow maybe a loaf of bread.  Whats the harm in a loaf of bread?
 
2013-06-28 11:50:29 AM
"$750 million"

"Three-quarters of a billion dollars"

Looks like the "journalist" had a character quota to meet.
 
2013-06-28 12:08:05 PM
What the Afghan air force may look like

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2013-06-28 12:08:59 PM
In related news - I have a suggestion on how we can cut the budget by approximately $772 million without affecting a single American taxpayer, or even any American defense contractors.
 
2013-06-28 12:13:13 PM
Hasan, you are clever.  Can you learn a helicopter?

guessing....8/10 for obscurity
 
2013-06-28 12:14:50 PM
9/11 truther headline if in the past tense.
 
2013-06-28 12:14:51 PM
Maybe we can send the muslims to Florida for a little flight school
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-28 12:16:06 PM

Odd Bird: Hasan, you are clever.  Can you learn a helicopter?

guessing....8/10 for obscurity


The Beast? it was a movie about a lost Soviet tank in Afghanistan, if I recall. Those deer really didn't see it coming, did they?
 
2013-06-28 12:16:11 PM
Welcome to the Airforce?
 
2013-06-28 12:17:40 PM
How can anyone fly an aircraft carrier?
 
2013-06-28 12:19:33 PM
And this is the machine that goes "ping'"! You see, we lease this back to the company we bought it from,

arago4.tnw.utwente.nl
 
2013-06-28 12:21:47 PM
Afghanistan has welfare queens?
 
2013-06-28 12:21:53 PM

redlegrick: Odd Bird: Hasan, you are clever.  Can you learn a helicopter?

guessing....8/10 for obscurity

The Beast? it was a movie about a lost Soviet tank in Afghanistan, if I recall. Those deer really didn't see it coming, did they?


I was not trolling with the "obscurity" comment.
In the 25 years since I've seen that movie you are the first, the farkin' FIRST!, person who knew anything about it.
dammitsomuch, not even 90 seconds....
 
2013-06-28 12:26:33 PM

Target Builder: In related news - I have a suggestion on how we can cut the budget by approximately $772 million without affecting a single American taxpayer, or even any American defense contractors.


Cut the budget?  Why do you hate America?  Our politicians and deparments  need that money for projects and such.
 
2013-06-28 12:28:27 PM

TOSViolation: "$750 million"

"Three-quarters of a billion dollars"

Looks like the "journalist" had a character quota to meet.


No, it looks like you don't know the difference between subby and journalist....
 
2013-06-28 12:30:36 PM
So US tax dollars to buy Russian helicopters to give to Afghanistan military...

Is this for real?
 
2013-06-28 12:36:21 PM
The Taliban will probably end up getting this equipment and using it more efficiently than the Afgans.
 
2013-06-28 01:03:47 PM

Odd Bird: redlegrick: Odd Bird: Hasan, you are clever.  Can you learn a helicopter?

guessing....8/10 for obscurity

The Beast? it was a movie about a lost Soviet tank in Afghanistan, if I recall. Those deer really didn't see it coming, did they?

I was not trolling with the "obscurity" comment.
In the 25 years since I've seen that movie you are the first, the farkin' FIRST!, person who knew anything about it.
dammitsomuch, not even 90 seconds....


I knew I heard that line from somewhere! I was racking my brain for that.
 
2013-06-28 01:03:48 PM

Target Builder: In related news - I have a suggestion on how we can cut the budget by approximately $772 million without affecting a single American taxpayer, or even any American defense contractors.



It will affect the guys in the DOD procurement office who are getting kickbacks from the Russian supplier.
 
2013-06-28 01:18:16 PM

d23: we have no money to help the homeless, though...


Or the thousands of disabled US vets, or a proper computer program to process VA claims, etc.

Gotta do something with that $300B budget!  Either spend it or lose it!  If you don't spend it all, the Government won't give you as much the next year!

When I was in the Navy and the end of the fiscal year approached, I was told, as the dept. Supply Petty Officer, to order anything and everything I could think of.  Didn't matter if we needed it or not, just order, order, order.

IMHO, we should reward the grunts for saving money!  It the job of senior NCOs and officers to see that maintenance and other work gets done, so they don't get anything.  Any money left over at the end of the fiscal year - having met all maintenance goals, as confirmed by the senior NCOs and officers - would be split among the grunts as a bonus!  I suspect we'd see a lot less waste!
 
2013-06-28 01:22:37 PM

indy_kid: d23: we have no money to help the homeless, though...

Or the thousands of disabled US vets, or a proper computer program to process VA claims, etc.

Gotta do something with that $300B budget!  Either spend it or lose it!  If you don't spend it all, the Government won't give you as much the next year!

When I was in the Navy and the end of the fiscal year approached, I was told, as the dept. Supply Petty Officer, to order anything and everything I could think of.  Didn't matter if we needed it or not, just order, order, order.

IMHO, we should reward the grunts for saving money!  It the job of senior NCOs and officers to see that maintenance and other work gets done, so they don't get anything.  Any money left over at the end of the fiscal year - having met all maintenance goals, as confirmed by the senior NCOs and officers - would be split among the grunts as a bonus!  I suspect we'd see a lot less waste!



The quatermaster corps is sending someone to kill you before can spread your heresy any further.
 
2013-06-28 01:23:17 PM

BizarreMan: kbronsito: why are we buying russian aircraft for the afghans? at first i thought that it was because they had some people with more experience with this equipment becuase they fought with the russians in the 80s... but apparently they dont' have any experienced people or even people to train. i understand that russian equipment is often easier to operate and maintain... is that it?

Maybe it's because they can buy 20 Russian aircraft for the same amount of money as one American?


Plus, we know when (not if, when) we eventually have to go back in, that our enemy has low-end gear and training that won't present a challenge.

Disclaimer: I'm assuming we're not buying top-end Russian aircraft
 
2013-06-28 01:34:35 PM
Your flying car, here it is.
 
2013-06-28 01:47:22 PM
Why aren't we spendin' the money to sell the Taliban triggers for their IEDs that explore on connection? One large shipment could destroy their rank n file.

In keeping with the article: also sell them used equipt (trucks, airplanes!, guns) that mal-function disasterously.

/use the stupid
//never interrupt an enemy making a mistake
///Virgule, virgule,virgule
 
2013-06-28 01:50:10 PM
They're called live fire targets, subby.
 
2013-06-28 01:55:14 PM
As long as there are secret kickbacks, and connected people get rich don't get bogged down in the trivial.

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-06-28 02:45:04 PM

d23: we have no money to help the homeless, though...


We have the money. But fark them for not being bootstrappy.
 
2013-06-28 02:56:51 PM
WOW. I'm glad we have all our bridges replaced and all roads resurfaced and still have money left over to be able to do this for the fine country of Afganistan.
 
2013-06-28 03:11:27 PM

d23: we have no money to help the homeless, though...


Because all the money is slated to go for those with homes that they couldn't afford.
 
2013-06-28 03:41:52 PM

blatz514: How hard can it be?

[www.blackbookmag.com image 640x376]


So, at some point the ability to swing a dead cat became passé?
 
2013-06-28 04:12:33 PM
Almost $20M apiece for Hips? There's no way those aircraft are worth that much. We're talking about average Soviet technology of the mid-1970s here. What, are we buying the Afghans the gold-plated presidential model with the disco inside from Bad Company?

Someone, either here, in Russia, or in Afghanistan, and possibly all three, is clearly taking home a healthy "bonus" from this deal.
 
2013-06-28 06:16:01 PM

Odd Bird: Hasan, you are clever.  Can you learn a helicopter?

guessing....8/10 for obscurity


FTFY
 
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