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(Reuters)   Armstrong claims Tour de France is impossible to win without doping. Sounds like a bit of a stretch, Armstrong   (reuters.com) divider line 50
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2013-06-28 10:00:05 AM
I don`t believe that the tour is completely clean, but there is some evidence that doping isn't as prevalent as it was in the 90`s. For example the average time up Alp  d'Huez was about 3 minutes slower in 2011. You also don't see riders putting in monster efforts 2 days in a row. If someone is in the breakaway one day chances are they at the back of the peleton the next day. They're taking longer to recover.

/Why yes, the PVR is all set for the next 3 weeks
 
2013-06-28 10:11:28 AM
A couple of us, all who ran track in college, were talking the other day about doping.  The consensus is was ALL who are competetive at that level are taking some sort of performance enhancing substances.
 
2013-06-28 10:43:02 AM
Who?
 
2013-06-28 10:44:16 AM

minoridiot: A couple of us, all who ran track in college, were talking the other day about doping.  The consensus is was ALL who are competetive at that level are taking some sort of performance enhancing substances.


It's like that in nearly all sports. The real good ones are on peds and if they weren't, some one else would be and take their place
 
2013-06-28 10:44:18 AM
So if no one doped they would cancel the race?
 
2013-06-28 10:44:21 AM
Subby, way to step it up and not take the easy 1-testicle road.
 
2013-06-28 10:44:27 AM

minoridiot: A couple of us, all who ran track in college, were talking the other day about doping.  The consensus is was ALL who are competetive at that level are taking some sort of performance enhancing substances.


That makes no sense though.  Sure if WR are set with doping those are no longer achievable without it.  But if the whole field isn't doping then the best athletes are still competitive at that time and within that field.

If no one on the tour dopes......someone is still going to win it.   It's not like it's an impossible race to finish.
 
2013-06-28 10:45:09 AM
He was up against Jan Ulrich for his earlier tours, Jan's idea of breakfast in the off-season was cocaine, so I dread to think what he was full of come summer.
I don't care either way about Armstrong, he unfairly dominated in an unfair competition, seems legit... it was pretty exciting to watch at the time, I miss the 00's Tours.
 
2013-06-28 10:45:22 AM

This Looks Fun: Subby, way to step it up and not take the easy 1-testicle road.


I couldn't think of a good monotesty joke
 
2013-06-28 10:46:19 AM

YoOjo: He was up against Jan Ulrich for his earlier tours, Jan's idea of breakfast in the off-season was cocaine, so I dread to think what he was full of come summer.
I don't care either way about Armstrong, he unfairly dominated in an unfair competition, seems legit... it was pretty exciting to watch at the time, I miss the 00's Tours.


By that I mean they all doped, not that the competition had flaws in other ways.
 
2013-06-28 10:47:39 AM

somedude210: monotesty


And I learned a new word today.
 
2013-06-28 10:48:39 AM
I love doping.  The best sports spectacles I have ever seen were chock full of dopers.  Steve Carlton speeding his titties off so bad he couldn't stop twitching.  Barry Bonds mashing anything thrown near the plate.  Lance Armstrong smoking the field on a climb up the mountains.  Without doping I would have seen none of this.  And some self-righteous busy bodies want to deprive me of this experience for reasons that are completely beyond my comprehension.

Fark them.  Fark them hard.  Fark them long.
 
2013-06-28 10:50:13 AM
There's no way Lance could have won seven tours in a row racing clean.  I'm not sure he could have won any.

Then again, I think the last time the tour was won without doping was in the 1970s.
 
2013-06-28 10:50:23 AM
He's not wrong, but that's not what he steadfastly maintained for over a decade.
 
2013-06-28 10:52:00 AM

Yanks_RSJ: He's not wrong, but that's not what he steadfastly maintained for over a decade.


So he's not stupid then.
 
2013-06-28 10:53:11 AM
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*frowns upon your shenanigans*
 
2013-06-28 10:53:26 AM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: somedude210: monotesty

And I learned a new word today.


well I was gonna use unitesty, but it sounded like a slightly effeminate testicle
 
2013-06-28 10:53:46 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Yanks_RSJ: He's not wrong, but that's not what he steadfastly maintained for over a decade.

So he's not stupid then.


Surely not.  Just a liar and self-righteous prick.
 
2013-06-28 10:55:33 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Marcus Aurelius: Yanks_RSJ: He's not wrong, but that's not what he steadfastly maintained for over a decade.

So he's not stupid then.

Surely not.  Just a liar and self-righteous prick.


I know quite a lot of those.  They're fairly common.  I have been known to mangle the truth myself from time to time.
 
2013-06-28 10:56:48 AM
Don't you get it? He HAD to cheat. Don't you care about all those people with cancer who were depending on Lance winning? He just did what he had to do, to inspire millions and maybe give a few moments of joy to the terminally ill. Lance never wanted anything for himself, his only care was his fans.
 
2013-06-28 10:58:29 AM
Given how the times have gone up on certain Tour stages over the lats few years, I dare say there's a lot fewer people doping now. When the difference in a climbing stage over the span of five years is an increase of 11 minutes, either the riders are all crap now or they're if not totally clean then far from the doped up messes they used to be. Also Miguel Indurian would like a word with Lance.
 
2013-06-28 10:59:55 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I know quite a lot of those.  They're fairly common.  I have been known to mangle the truth myself from time to time.


That's all fine, but let's not act like it's unwarranted to call old Lance out on it, particularly when he was enraged and the very notion that he would do anything untoward.

"How DARE you people accuse me of doing all those things I'm doing?!  I'm a cancer survivor!  Everyone else is doping but not me and don't you forget it!"

Just like Rafael Palmeiro and Roger Clemens.
 
2013-06-28 11:04:11 AM
Is Lance accusing Bradley Wiggins of doping? Or all the guys racing this year? He's really doing a great job of getting in good graces with the cycling community.

I know Wiggins is out this year. I want to see Van Garderen do well and some more silliness from Sagan.
 
2013-06-28 11:10:31 AM
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2013-06-28 11:33:45 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Marcus Aurelius: I know quite a lot of those.  They're fairly common.  I have been known to mangle the truth myself from time to time.

That's all fine, but let's not act like it's unwarranted to call old Lance out on it, particularly when he was enraged and the very notion that he would do anything untoward.

"How DARE you people accuse me of doing all those things I'm doing?!  I'm a cancer survivor!  Everyone else is doping but not me and don't you forget it!"

Just like Rafael Palmeiro and Roger Clemens.


His douchebaggery far exceeds everything else annoying about him.
 
2013-06-28 11:57:18 AM
The guy's won as many Tour de Frances as I have.
 
2013-06-28 12:26:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I love doping.  The best sports spectacles I have ever seen were chock full of dopers.  Steve Carlton speeding his titties off so bad he couldn't stop twitching.  Barry Bonds mashing anything thrown near the plate.  Lance Armstrong smoking the field on a climb up the mountains.  Without doping I would have seen none of this.  And some self-righteous busy bodies want to deprive me of this experience for reasons that are completely beyond my comprehension.

Fark them.  Fark them hard.  Fark them long.


Easy to resolve but "think of the children" drama to go with it. Make two separate agencies. One allowing doping and the other not. Survival of the fittest at it's finest. We could even have a doper vs sobers winner take all championship.
 
2013-06-28 12:26:58 PM
Greg LeMond did it with lead supplements.
 
2013-06-28 12:29:31 PM
There is not a single top-tier professional athlete today that doe snot dope.  They are all filthy liars and hypocrites.  None of them measure up to the ability of the athletes of 50 years ago.

Perhaps there should be a new set of records.  A set for filthy cheaters who are scumbags making the fat couch potato statistic keepers happy, and those real athletes that are keeping the spirit of real competition alive.  Armstrong, McGwire, A-f**kingcheater-Rod, all of them should be treated as the lying sacks of meat that they are.  They are no different than the pretend "wrestlers" on TV.

Dance for us, monkeys, dance.  Reserve the title of true athlete for those that are adhering to the true spirit of competition.  They are all guilty, unless they go out of their way to prove their innocence.
 
2013-06-28 12:32:22 PM
It's the 100th running.
The tour is likely cleaner than its been in decades.
First time for a night finish.
Great stages planned.

We can ignore the douchebag for a few weeks.
 
2013-06-28 12:38:58 PM

This Looks Fun: Subby, way to step it up and not take the easy 1-testicle road.


That wouldn't be very ballsy
 
2013-06-28 12:42:40 PM
So you're saying it takes balls to win this race, eh?
 
2013-06-28 01:01:34 PM
The Tour has been rotten with doping since the 50s.  Remember, Tom Simpson died in 1967 from all the amphetamines he was consuming.
 
2013-06-28 01:20:04 PM

PowerSlacker: There's no way Lance could have won seven tours in a row racing clean.  I'm not sure he could have won any.

Then again, I think the last time the tour was won without doping was in the 1970s.


It's been longer than that. 40s or 50s or longer. PEDs have been a part of sports forever. Before steroids, there was amphetamines
 
2013-06-28 01:39:18 PM

rosebud_the_sled: There is not a single top-tier professional athlete today that doe snot dope.  They are all filthy liars and hypocrites.  None of them measure up to the ability of the athletes of 50 years ago.

Perhaps there should be a new set of records.  A set for filthy cheaters who are scumbags making the fat couch potato statistic keepers happy, and those real athletes that are keeping the spirit of real competition alive.  Armstrong, McGwire, A-f**kingcheater-Rod, all of them should be treated as the lying sacks of meat that they are.  They are no different than the pretend "wrestlers" on TV.

Dance for us, monkeys, dance.  Reserve the title of true athlete for those that are adhering to the true spirit of competition.  They are all guilty, unless they go out of their way to prove their innocence.


Like deer antler spray, but slimier.
 
2013-06-28 01:48:29 PM
NBCSN had an interesting documentary on last week covering the history of the Tour. I stumbled on to it part of the way through and I was curious how they'd handle the doping issues of the last 15-20 years. Well, they were talking about the 1930s when I started watching and it felt like every 20-25th word uttered by the narrator was something related to doping or drugs from that point on.

What Lance is saying is true: he couldn't have won those Tours without doping. All of the elite riders in those Tours were doped up on  something. And while the official record books say that there is no winner for those 7 races; the reality is that if you removed every doped up Tour winner from the books, you might have ZERO 5 time Tour champions and not have a winner for more than half of the Tours.

They should be getting rid of the doping and fighting for clean racing. But you can't single out a few riders has horrible people for their doping when it has been going on since the early days of the race.
 
2013-06-28 02:00:13 PM
Never got what the problem was.
They let scientific advancement impact the other aspects from bikes to the recording equipment to the gear they wear. Why not let the bikers just use whatever is offered them; the competition would lead to major advancements.
 
2013-06-28 02:11:23 PM

hobnail: rosebud_the_sled: Like deer antler spray, but slimier.


That's why there are fewer deer these days.  Too many Chinese grinding them up for longer erections or something.

/so I don't know how to hit the space bar correctly, sue me.
 
2013-06-28 02:16:34 PM
The doping started as soon as the first race in 1903 was announced. In the documentary mentioned earlier they talked about two riders, one was the winner the previous year, who stopped mid race and gave an interview about riders using a mixture of codeine and cocaine as a doping agent. They quit the race in protest. That was in the first twenty years.
 
2013-06-28 02:22:06 PM
That's a bold statement Lance. You got a lotta ball talking like this.


/low hanging fruit.
//I'm so sorry.
 
2013-06-28 02:45:07 PM
Lance Armstrong continues to cement his reputation as a class act...
 
2013-06-28 03:37:23 PM
Can we at least give him 7 World Doping Championships?
 
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2013-06-28 03:56:03 PM
Given the history of this race, you'd have to be fairly naive to disagree with him.

/your favorite racer isn't clean, he just hasn't been investigated thoroughly enough yet.
 
2013-06-28 04:01:06 PM
OK. I know little about cycling and even less about the Armstrong scandal. However, it seems to me that if - IF - there were ever a Tour de France in which none of the competitors were doping, one of them would necessarily finish first.
 
2013-06-28 04:25:53 PM

Nogale: OK. I know little about cycling and even less about the Armstrong scandal. However, it seems to me that if - IF - there were ever a Tour de France in which none of the competitors were doping, one of them would necessarily finish first.


True; however, if they allow doping, why not every conceivable enhancement available?  Then, it becomes motorcycle racing.  Why stop at steroids?  Everything should be allowed.  Why keep statistics, because every rider today is substandard compared to those of yesteryear.  They suck, as a matter of fact.

Given the history of this race, you'd have to be fairly naive to disagree with him.

/your favorite racer isn't clean, he just hasn't been investigated thoroughly enough yet.

My favorite racer is not a professional and is completely clean and understands the true nature of competition as opposed all of the scumbags that exist in all professional sports today.  They are guilty unless they prove themselves innocent.

These days, we should point and laugh at all older "athletes" who are feeling the results of their steroid use.  They are jokes.  Vile things that should be reminded of their stupidity until the die naturally or take their own life because they are too weak to accept the inevitable consequences of actions that they decided to take.  Perhaps, a red nose, floppy shoes and painted faces so that people will know to kick the cane out from under them.

/not that I have a strong opinion about this
 
2013-06-28 05:14:27 PM
the 2013 edition will feature some of the famous climbs from the history of the race, including a summit finish on on Stage 15, and Stage 18 in which Alpe d'Huez will be climbed twice by the riders, with the stage finishing after the second ascent

The riders probably will wish they were still doping during Stage 18
 
2013-06-28 05:18:20 PM

Tax Boy: the 2013 edition will feature some of the famous climbs from the history of the race, including a summit finish on on Stage 15, and Stage 18 in which Alpe d'Huez will be climbed twice by the riders, with the stage finishing after the second ascent

The riders probably will wish they were still doping during Stage 18


That's going to be a beast. Did you see the Tour of California stage around Palm Desert? I expect more of that.
 
2013-06-28 07:00:03 PM
Thanks Lance for injecting some controversy into a subject and not into a vein.  Too bad the human growth hormone you need doesn't come in a syringe or a pill.
 
2013-06-28 07:31:48 PM

Tax Boy: the 2013 edition will feature some of the famous climbs from the history of the race, including a summit finish on on Stage 15, and Stage 18 in which Alpe d'Huez will be climbed twice by the riders, with the stage finishing after the second ascent

The riders probably will wish they were still doping during Stage 18


I saw the map for that stage the other day. I don't know what will be more difficult: the descent from the 1st climb (lots of seemingly tight bends) or going up the 2nd time.
 
2013-06-28 11:07:17 PM

rosebud_the_sled: These days, we should point and laugh at all older "athletes" who are feeling the results of their steroid use.


I hate to break it to you, but steroid users work harder than non-steroid users, so they are certainly athletes. The reason people do steroids is to avoid injuries due to overtraining. They work because they allow one to work out longer and harder.

You don't just take steroids and magically look like Hulk Hogan. You have to bust your ass if you do take them.
 
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