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(ABC)   Congratulations North Carolina. You're the first state to drop federal unemployment funding. Congratulations unemployed North Carolinians, you're the first to get completely hosed by your own state   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 115
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2013-06-28 07:57:51 PM

Tannhauser: What form of government would you prefer to take over?


Capitalism is not a system of government. Capitalism is an economic system. Democracies are systems of government.

The problem is that we in this country have allowed these two to become the same thing.
 
2013-06-28 08:35:40 PM

James F. Campbell: "I'm just not sure what I'm going to do," said Creighton, who has a doctorate. "What are we to do? Is the state prepared to have this many people with no source of income?"

I looked this guy up, and his doctorate is in mathematics. It warms the cockles of my heart to see an STEM worker unemployed.


Maybe he should move somewhere the terms "math" and "read" aren't regarded as "dirty four-letter words".
/still have relatives there
//I weep for them
 
2013-06-28 09:14:24 PM

WTF Indeed: In six months: Crime has reached an all time high in North Carolina as tens of thousands of out of work North Carolinians take to robbing those with jobs.

In eight months: Tax paying North Carolinians demand more police protection from the hordes of thieving criminals.

In ten months: Hundreds of local politicians are tossed after raising taxes to pay for increased police forces and crime prevention.


FTFY

Xythero: So people can't make their mortgage payments and get forclosed.  Which makes the economy worse.  Which causes more unemployment.  I'm not sure the NC legislature followed the domino trail far enough.


Foreclosed properties tend to sell at below market costs because it costs banks more to keep them than to sell them for a "loss". People who can afford to buy these properties can get them at that reduced cost, then can temporarily hire unemployed labourers to flip and maintain the house until the economy has recovered enough that the new owner can sell it at the normal (or improved) market value, making a profit on the house.
 
2013-06-28 09:30:19 PM

Headso: So what's the deal, they are running too big of a debt to qualify for the federal payments?


They're running a debt, and they're drawing from a Federal program to extend unemployment benefits until January.  They chose to make drastic cuts to the state's unemployment program NOW, which triggers the "no cuts" provision in the Federal program and kicks everybody off NEXT WEEK.

Basically, all they had to do was nothing, and the Federal benefits would have lasted for another 6 months.  In stead, they chose to say "fark 'em for being poor."
 
2013-06-28 09:41:52 PM

meat0918: Fast forward a few months, and the likely questions coming from NC will be "Why is our state economy not doing better" and "Why has crime risen?"

Do they really, REALLY think that people are sitting on those extended UI benefits instead of looking for work?


Yes. Conservative Party supporters in Canada think the same way about Employment Insurance (essentially the same as UI in this instance) and regularly want to make Canadian EI as difficult as possible to get, not realizing or caring that EI is pretty much what keeps seasonal work in Canada functioning. It's Corporate Welfare given to the Employee's, not to the Companies.

When it comes right down to it, there are arguments against the SIZE of the UI/EI provided to unemployed people, but taking away the very existence of UI/EI is one of those Very. Bad. Things. which deserves capitalization and dramatic pauses.
 
2013-06-28 09:47:44 PM

Rhino_man: Headso: So what's the deal, they are running too big of a debt to qualify for the federal payments?

They're running a debt, and they're drawing from a Federal program to extend unemployment benefits until January.  They chose to make drastic cuts to the state's unemployment program NOW, which triggers the "no cuts" provision in the Federal program and kicks everybody off NEXT WEEK.

Basically, all they had to do was nothing, and the Federal benefits would have lasted for another 6 months.  In stead, they chose to say "fark 'em for being poor."


1.  Vote for Republican asshats.
2.  Republican asshats pass laws that will do not truly address budgetary issues of the state.
3.  Republican asshats pass laws that will not benefit the people of the state.
4.  Repeat from step 1.

It happened in Kansas, it's happening here.  I'd be willing to bet that the more people that suffer because of this, the better the Republicans do next election (probably by blaming some minority).  Stupid people don't belong in government, especially when their entire platform is that government needs to be destroyed because it is bad.
 
2013-06-28 09:53:11 PM

jjorsett: Esc7: So let me get this straight. The Feds hand over free money for unemployment if you meet a modicum of benefits as a state. Kinda like matching funds?

And NC decided to give up this free money why? So it can pay back debt to the Feds from the Great Depression? If they've gone this long it doesn't strike me as that urgent.

It isn't free, it has to be paid back, and as the article notes, they've already rung up 2.5 billion in debt on this program. This is a measure to keep from running the bill up even further, and a bunch of hysterical Farkers here think the Earth is going to tilt off its axis as a result.


... except that it's not.  The money from the Federal Government is a grant, while the debt is for a loan that the Feds gave to the State for unemployment benefits DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

Do you even read?
 
2013-06-28 09:58:43 PM

born_yesterday: Rhino_man: Headso: So what's the deal, they are running too big of a debt to qualify for the federal payments?

They're running a debt, and they're drawing from a Federal program to extend unemployment benefits until January.  They chose to make drastic cuts to the state's unemployment program NOW, which triggers the "no cuts" provision in the Federal program and kicks everybody off NEXT WEEK.

Basically, all they had to do was nothing, and the Federal benefits would have lasted for another 6 months.  In stead, they chose to say "fark 'em for being poor."

1.  Vote for Republican asshats.
2.  Republican asshats pass laws that will do not truly address budgetary issues of the state.
3.  Republican asshats pass laws that will not benefit the people of the state.
4.  Repeat from step 1.

It happened in Kansas, it's happening here.  I'd be willing to bet that the more people that suffer because of this, the better the Republicans do next election (probably by blaming some minority).  Stupid people don't belong in government, especially when their entire platform is that government needs to be destroyed because it is bad.


I'm a Pasquotank County native... moved up to Northern Virginia for work.  Rest assured, the misery of the folks back home will serve as an excellent example in our fight to keep The Cooch out of the Governor's Mansion in November.
 
2013-06-28 10:11:45 PM
"Republican leaders who control the General Assembly sought an exception to the federal law two months before voting to change unemployment benefits. Congress last year allowed Pennsylvania, Indiana, Arkansas and Rhode Island to proceed with cuts to weekly benefits that their legislatures had approved for after the expected expiration of federal benefits, which later were extended. North Carolina's request was never acted on."

Wonder why.
 
2013-06-28 10:29:32 PM

hugram: Lots of poor, unemployed and/or underemployed rednecks/teabaggers in this state... and they voted in these politicians.


You can't feel sorry for them. God speed to the bottom NC, I hope you have a fun time during the descent.
 
2013-06-29 12:00:06 AM
The GOP unemployment plan: "Die quickly"
 
2013-06-29 12:24:14 AM
I thought derp of this caliber was more at home in SC than NC....

That's just sad.

/ glad i live in a more generous part of the country
// until recently, our unemployment rate was about the same as NC, so I can't brag too much...
/// Oregon, the most "Southern" state of the West Coast....
 
2013-06-29 12:32:14 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: I thought derp of this caliber was more at home in SC than NC....

That's just sad.

/ glad i live in a more generous part of the country
// until recently, our unemployment rate was about the same as NC, so I can't brag too much...
/// Oregon, the most "Southern" state of the West Coast....


That level of derp IS more at home in SC than in NC.  NC has had two-party rule for decades, usually with Democrats in the Governor's mansion and Republicans in the Assembly.

What you're seeing now is the Republicans venting several decades of pent-up crazy into the atmosphere because they finally have the whole government to themselves.
 
2013-06-29 01:54:20 AM

rewind2846: Tannhauser: What form of government would you prefer to take over?

Capitalism is not a system of government. Capitalism is an economic system. Democracies are systems of government.

The problem is that we in this country have allowed these two to become the same thing.


Well you know that's what happens when the mentality that free speech=money gains traction.

Money talks, bullshiat walks, right?

Never mind the "bullshiat" is all about workers rights, social and economic inequalities and pointing out that a very small percentage of the population controls this country's GDP.
 
2013-06-29 11:05:12 AM

meat0918: Fast forward a few months, and the likely questions coming from NC will be "Why is our state economy not doing better" and "Why has crime risen?"

Do they really, REALLY think that people are sitting on those extended UI benefits instead of looking for work?


Honestly, I didn't try very hard to get a job when my UI was rolling in. Sure, I looked nearly everyday, and applied all the time. But, I had no intention of taking a $10/hr job, when my UI was essentially $10/hr. It's remarkable how quickly I found a temp job working graveyard once my bennies were going to expire.

I still think UI is a good thing, but 52 weeks of it might be a bit too much. Perhaps a solution to shiftless losers (like me) is to gradually reduce benefits. Once my UI went from $10/hr down to $5/hr, it probably would've motivated me without having to face the real risk of being penniless.
 
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